CSMesosilver website
Hi David, Mesosilver now links to purestcolloides. http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm http://silver-colloids.com http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com/ Best regards, Andy Incidentally I havent been able to connect to the Mesosilver site for a while. Regards David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScurrent flow, resistance changes
Evening Wayne, After further research I discovered that electrons do change speed. I'll blame my lack of knowledge on public education. http://www.vicphysics.org/documents/teachers/synchrotronprojectKB.doc Andy In a message dated 9/13/2008 2:15:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Morning Andy, At 11:29 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: Isn't Mike saying I = E/R Where I is directly proportional to E and inversely proportional to R? Now, whether electrons speed up and slow down, I don't know about that... I did it understand it exactly the way you did. ( Mikes Statement ) At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. I understood this to mean, The Resistance Changes First, I would think it to be the other way around. The higher the voltage the higher the resistance depending on quantities. Likewise, with high currents, the electrons might be congested in the wire. Of course resistors heat up and wire heats up, under some conditions. Conductor derateing and voltage drop enters in. and dangers can exist. But that is another book. If these are sized so that the capacity is only 5, 10, maybe 50 %, that is another situation, When the capacity is reached, or nearly so, 80, 90, 0r 100 %, of course things change If the resistor is the wrong physical size, it will certainly change just before self destruction, and change drastically upon self destruction. This would all be easy to prove or disprove, by solving any circuit, 6 volts applied, 12, 18, 24, 36, 48, 60, 100, or whatever. And of course using instrumentation and calculation. I have an interesting resistor array I built for a specific purpose Using several large resistors, I mounted them to a 2 ft square aluminum plate, 1/4 inch thick. I knew it would get hot. The resistors would glow cherry red for a timed test without destruction. 100 amps 1200 watts. The array will fry an egg, heat a bowl of soup, and boil a pot of coffee, not that this was the purpose. I have seen resistor arrays that covered a complete wall. I am not sure what Mike was trying to do, maybe give us a headache or see what kind of mess we would make, working on the puzzle he created. Either way, He did a good job. grin Once Confused, ... always confused, it seems. Likely I have been working on the wrong thing. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHigh Voltage CS
Regarding making CS with high voltage (neon sign transformers and microwave ovens): Isn’t there a problem with nitrates and nitrites being induced into the solution from the atmosphere unless precautions are taken (such as doing it under a blanket of inert gas)? Andy **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Hi Kathryn, It’s not that bad. There is a liberal city council and a liberal arts university so you get some freaky white kids. They threaten professors that do research on flies and rats or sit in redwood trees and refuse to come down. The gangs are Mexican kids who stab each other over the numbers 13 and 14. Several years ago they declared Santa Cruz a nuclear free zone and it must be working because we haven’t had a single nuclear attack. There are plenty of so called normal people here too. We play golf all year long in a tee shirt and shorts while looking at the ocean. Where do you live? Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 10:53:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look like a right winger- town of santa cruz. Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
Isn't Mike saying I = E/R Where I is directly proportional to E and inversely proportional to R? Now,weather electrons speed up and sow down, I don't know about that... Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:46:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it grin Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
Oops, now in plain text with corrections... Isn't Mike saying I = E/R Where I is directly proportional to E and inversely proportional to R? watts still = I x E Now, whether electrons speed up and slow down, I don't know about that... Andy In a message dated 9/12/2008 3:46:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it grin Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
Re: CSCS generator advice?
Hi again Cathy, If you are on a budget, Arnold's kit is $31.50. It includes a meter and a laser pointer. That's a tough price to beat! http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/9/2008 7:16:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwmskni...@hotmail.com writes: Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS questions on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am confused by all the vendors and their claims to be the best. I know I want a AC/DC (home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about brands? I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone vouch for the efficacy and/or quality? Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around, but I'm not able to access the archives. Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now = **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS generator advice?
Hi Cathy, Welcome to the list! I built my own generator because I like building things and it is somewhat more flexible then a prefabricated one. It is also a lot cheaper. If you would rather buy one, a lot of people seem to like the silverpuppy - http://www.silverpuppy.com. It seems to be reasonably priced and is a good point of reference as you research what is available. Of course, everyone will tell you the one they sell is the best. I hope this helps... Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/9/2008 7:16:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwmskni...@hotmail.com writes: Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS questions on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am confused by all the vendors and their claims to be the best. I know I want a AC/DC (home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about brands? I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone vouch for the efficacy and/or quality? Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around, but I'm not able to access the archives. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Hi Wayne, When I built test equipment I would always put a LED and resistor in parallel with the fuses. If you saw a lit LED you immediately knew which fuse was blown. It works with AC or DC at just about any voltage as long as you size the resistors accordingly. A pretty neat trick to save troubleshooting time. Best regards, Andy In a message dated 9/6/2008 3:57:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwa...@netdoor.com writes: Morning Andy, snip What I wanted to tell you, I have connected LED'S into 480, 3 phase voltage. These were indicators I needed for boiler and large motor control systems. A conventional lamp would have been safer I suppose, but would not last as long as the LED's. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, Who is the manufacturer of your colloidal silver generator? Andy In a message dated 9/6/2008 2:38:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Andy, I forgot to say that I found out in my 'studies' what that flat spot represents on an LED as well...DUH!! I am astonished at how I could have been playing around with CS for so long not having a clue what I am doing, basically, and only going on colour and meter! But it has worked for me though, (well, I believe it has). lol. **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, It doesn't matter which way the current flows. If you look at vacuum tubes you may want to go from minus to plus (cathode emission). If you look at solid state devices you might want to go with plus to minus (the direction the arrows on diodes and transistors point). What is important is that you pick one direction and stick with it. Tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are fools and they are wrong. I hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/6/2008 2:28:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: G'day Andy, It'a amazing what one learns isn't it, I always thought power ran FROM the positive TO the negative but going on what I am reading it is 'PUSHED', so to speak, from the NEG to the POS. I have looked at power backwards all my life. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDark eye sockets
Crank In a message dated 9/7/2008 4:42:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, a...@new.co.za writes: Dark eye sockets I have a colleague who has an onset of dark eyesockets; she is also tired and irritable too. Any clues as to what could be causing this? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, Most LEDs need a resistor in series with them to limit the current and keep them from blowing up. Most common LEDs use about 10 to 20 milliamps. Unless you have more than one resistor in your setup you are cooking at what I would consider a pretty high current limit. People seem to like clear or yellow CS. When it turns gold or pink it means you are running it too long or you have un-pure water. You have a DVM and ohms law so you should know what to do. Personally I like to slow brew at about 1 ma or less. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 9/5/2008 3:06:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nevillem...@bigpond.com writes: Morning Dan, OK, yep well you are right, the adaptor is 24v rated, the resistor is in circuit after the led, and I am still working on the ohms, kilohms x100 or 1000 thing, still studying that bit. Don't like the sound of that 60mA part. Although, going by all the anecdotal writings that abound in the public domain, I appear to get a good product though, going by taste, (minimal), colour, (DS water usually clear, Pure water seems to give varying colours from clear/pink/gold, but never darker), and TE. I assumed this was fairly good stuff. After spending many hours reading all the 'rumours', (I have to call them rumours as it's impossible to find 'dead set facts', if you get my meaning), I have sort of made up my own mind as a result until I find someone who actually can definitely confirm what is 'good' and what is 'not', you see what I mean here, an abundance of info/misinfo/anecdotal/could be this/could be that/this is a pretty colour/that is a pretty colour etc etc. Oh, the rainwater CS tastes like I have eaten a jam tin though. Neville. snip **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPromising Topical Application of Vitamin C
Dear Brooks, You might be interested in the below link. Best regards, Andy http://www.annalssurgicaloncology.org/cgi/content/abstract/1/5/411 In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:23:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bradlebro...@gmail.com writes: Prompted by some interesting information originating out of the Vitamincfoundation.orgnon-profit group, we instigated an investigation of the effectiveness of Vitamin C as an ameliorating protocol for shallow and mildly-deep surface tissue scars. (Very deep scarring poses challenges beyond the purview of this protocol, as a stand-alone). snip **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrewing question - H2O2 and Ag
I've also wondered about this. Why not make fast and dirty (chunky style) CS and then add H2O2 to break it up? Anyone? Andy In a message dated 8/29/2008 12:56:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com writes: Steve, You are right, of course, about the efficacy of CS based on particle. However, Marshall Dudley has shown that adding a small amount of H2O2 to the CS *after* it is made, will cause any large agglomerated particles to break up into very small particles. I don't know why we don't just make CS as fast as we can, and then just add some H2O2 to it to get the smaller particle size back... Dan snip **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEPA to Ban CS and CS generators as Pesticides.
Hi Steve, Could you post some of the websites that you checked? I checked the EPA and FDA websites and found nothing. Thanks, Andy In a message dated 8/23/2008 6:14:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, foss_ste...@yahoo.com writes: Dear Silver List, I hope this post will be on topic. I received a newsletter that states that Colloidal Silver and CS Generators could be banned by March 2009 by the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA is being sued by an environmental lobbyist organization. I have checked out several websites and this is indeed true, not a conspiracy theory. The lawsuit mentions about every brand of CS of the market. Of the reason for this, the EPA reclassified CS as a Pesticide using an obscure 50+year old law. Best Regards, Steve Foss **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] David, Kurt, and list policy...
Hi Mike et al, I like hearing about off topic health related (and even operating system) issues as long as the thread doesn't go on forever. I'm not sure how often the digest is sent out but maybe a time limit could be set on how long a thread can go on without changing the name in the subject line? It seems like some people are lazy and just hit the reply button even though the topic has long since changed. I get tired of hearing about how the doctors, pharmaceutical companies, medical profession, etc. are all bad guys that are in a conspiracy and they're out to get us. I also get tired of hearing about supplements and gizmos that are claimed to cure everything but there is no scientific proof, just testimony. But then again, I don't buy the weekly magazines at the checkout lines in the grocery store either. I would like to think of the silver list as a resource for information rather than vehicle for recruitment. With the election coming up, I hope we don't get too many posts from people in the two major political parties doing a lot of Libertarian bashing. God knows it's tempting... Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 8/22/2008 5:47:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Hi folks, David and several others have now registered their objections to Kurt's posting habits. Though I prefer such complaints be issued to me privately, I'm willing to explore and debate the situation in the open for a bit, since member input always bears strongly on my choices of how to moderate the group. snip **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver and Salt
Hi Steve, et al Thanks for your response. Your explanation seems to imply that solutions of sodium chloride and silver chloride have the same conductivity simply because they both consist of the same number of positive and negative ions. Don't conduction bands, valance bands and energy gaps have something to do with the conductivity of solutions as well as solids? http://britneyspears.ac/physics/basics/basics.htm Thanks for your time Andy In a message dated 8/20/2008 11:51:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, foss_ste...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Andy and Silver List Here is my third attempt at posting a reply I typed up on Saturday. Sometimes technology gets in the way of communication, especially when I am the one at fault. My many thanks to the patient people at eskimo.com: Yes, I am saying that salt is more conductive in solution than silver in hydrosol, twice as conductive. (Discussions of conductivity of Metallic Silver Wire, the lack of conductivity of Salt Crystals, or the conductivity Ionic Solutions of Molten Salt will have to wait) snip **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat multiplier do you use and how accurate do
He says silver, not silver and hydroxide ions. Andy In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:41:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: He is saying that the drift veloicty of sodium and chlorine ions is twice the drift velocity of silver and hydroxide ions. That will translate into twice the conductivity. Marshall ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Steve Foss. Regarding your statement: (9th paragraph down) Sodium Chloride or table salt has twice the conductivity of Silver. Or Silver has 1/2 the conductivity of table Salt. So any measurement of Colloidal Silver will be half of that for dissolved solids. Are you saying that salt is more conductive than silver? I don't understand. Please elaborate. Thanks, Andy In a message dated 8/16/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, foss_ste...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Silver List, What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? I use 4 as the multiplier with TDS meters. Why? To date no major reputable commerical manufacturer produces a meter to specifically test for PPM levels for Colloidal Silver Suppensions. When I asked (Hannah), Not enough sales to justify manufacture, to small a market. A TDS meter is designed to measure Total Dissolved Solids in soltion for applications such as hydroponic gardening, testing tap water and Reverse Osmosis water, industrial uses for contaminants. The typical TDS meter measures from 0 ppm to 999 PPM and was not designed to measure small measurements with an accuracy of less than 50% under 100 of PPM TDS meters measure transconductance (opposite of resistance) in micro Siemens and then use circuitry to convert this measurement into a PPM number (called a Conversion Factor). The Conversion Factor circuitry translates roughly 1 micro Siemen into 1ppm at Part Per Million readings of 100 PPM or higher at 90% accuracy. At PPM levels lower than 100 PPM the Conversion Factor translates 1 micro Siemen as 0.5 PPM, 50% of what is measured. TDS meters were designed to measure dissolved solids conductivity and are calibrated with Sodium Chloride (the yellow solution sold with these meters) as a rough Guesstimate. Salt is used as an average approximation of the conductivity of the compounds and elements (and polutants) found in water. (Potassium Chloride is the world standard for calibration, but then TDS meters do not require scientific accuracy.) Soldium Chloride or table salt has twice the conductivity of Silver. Or Silver has 1/2 the conductivity of table Salt. So any measurement of Colloidal Silver will be half of that for dissolved solids. TDS meters round off their measurements downwards after conversion. 0 to 0.9 PPM will read as 000 PPM. Likewise, 1 to 1.9 PPM reads as 1 PPM, etc. Let's use some numbers. Let's say I have finished a batch of CS and send half of it to a lab that runs an Atomic Aborption Spectragraphy. The batch was made with Lab Tech distilled water (0 PPM). The test measurement is 10 ppm I reach for my trusty TDS meter. The meter measures 90 % of the transconductace (calibrated to Sodium Chloride which has twice transconductance of CS) so 4.5 only is measured and the conversion factor has a 50% error (under 100ppm readings) so 2.25, rounded down becomes 2 PPM. I have a batch of 30 PPM CS. 15 X 90%= 13.5 microS measured multiplied by 50% Conversion=6.75 rounded down to 6 ppm If I have a reading of 3 PPM X 4= 12 PPM (3 times 2 (for Conversion Factor) times 2 (Salt factor) equals 12 PPM) This doesn't account for Commerical Distilled water which measures from 0 to 2 ppm (0 to 4 ppm if taking into account the Conversion Factor from circuitry). The DW will measure as 0 ppm at levels as high as 1.9 ppm (actual). That is why I use the number 4 as a multiplier when using a TDS meter to measure CS batches. How accurate do I think these measures are with TDS meters? Not very accurate, but better than nothing, or shelling out $400 USD everytime I make CS to get an accurate reading. Regards, Steve Foss If you are using Sodium Chloride or Sodium bicarbonate as an electrolyte this muddies the water (and the measurement) further. Question for the group: What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? Just make sure the TDS meter probe is not contaminated when measuring, make sure there are no bubbles on the probe tips and do not try to measure moving water (keep TDS meter
Re: CSWhat multiplier do you use and how accurate do
Hi Steve Foss. Regarding your statement: (9th paragraph down) Sodium Chloride or table salt has twice the conductivity of Silver. Or Silver has 1/2 the conductivity of table Salt. So any measurement of Colloidal Silver will be half of that for dissolved solids. Are you saying that salt is more conductive than silver? I don't understand. Please elaborate. Thanks, Andy In a message dated 8/16/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, foss_ste...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Silver List, What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? I use 4 as the multiplier with TDS meters. Why? To date no major reputable commerical manufacturer produces a meter to specifically test for PPM levels for Colloidal Silver Suppensions. When I asked (Hannah), Not enough sales to justify manufacture, to small a market. A TDS meter is designed to measure Total Dissolved Solids in soltion for applications such as hydroponic gardening, testing tap water and Reverse Osmosis water, industrial uses for contaminants. The typical TDS meter measures from 0 ppm to 999 PPM and was not designed to measure small measurements with an accuracy of less than 50% under 100 of PPM TDS meters measure transconductance (opposite of resistance) in micro Siemens and then use circuitry to convert this measurement into a PPM number (called a Conversion Factor). The Conversion Factor circuitry translates roughly 1 micro Siemen into 1ppm at Part Per Million readings of 100 PPM or higher at 90% accuracy. At PPM levels lower than 100 PPM the Conversion Factor translates 1 micro Siemen as 0.5 PPM, 50% of what is measured. TDS meters were designed to measure dissolved solids conductivity and are calibrated with Sodium Chloride (the yellow solution sold with these meters) as a rough Guesstimate. Salt is used as an average approximation of the conductivity of the compounds and elements (and polutants) found in water. (Potassium Chloride is the world standard for calibration, but then TDS meters do not require scientific accuracy.) Soldium Chloride or table salt has twice the conductivity of Silver. Or Silver has 1/2 the conductivity of table Salt. So any measurement of Colloidal Silver will be half of that for dissolved solids. TDS meters round off their measurements downwards after conversion. 0 to 0.9 PPM will read as 000 PPM. Likewise, 1 to 1.9 PPM reads as 1 PPM, etc. Let's use some numbers. Let's say I have finished a batch of CS and send half of it to a lab that runs an Atomic Aborption Spectragraphy. The batch was made with Lab Tech distilled water (0 PPM). The test measurement is 10 ppm I reach for my trusty TDS meter. The meter measures 90 % of the transconductace (calibrated to Sodium Chloride which has twice transconductance of CS) so 4.5 only is measured and the conversion factor has a 50% error (under 100ppm readings) so 2.25, rounded down becomes 2 PPM. I have a batch of 30 PPM CS. 15 X 90%= 13.5 microS measured multiplied by 50% Conversion=6.75 rounded down to 6 ppm If I have a reading of 3 PPM X 4= 12 PPM (3 times 2 (for Conversion Factor) times 2 (Salt factor) equals 12 PPM) This doesn't account for Commerical Distilled water which measures from 0 to 2 ppm (0 to 4 ppm if taking into account the Conversion Factor from circuitry). The DW will measure as 0 ppm at levels as high as 1.9 ppm (actual). That is why I use the number 4 as a multiplier when using a TDS meter to measure CS batches. How accurate do I think these measures are with TDS meters? Not very accurate, but better than nothing, or shelling out $400 USD everytime I make CS to get an accurate reading. Regards, Steve Foss If you are using Sodium Chloride or Sodium bicarbonate as an electrolyte this muddies the water (and the measurement) further. Question for the group: What multiplier do you use and how accurate do you think your measurements are??? Just make sure the TDS meter probe is not contaminated when measuring, make sure there are no bubbles on the probe tips and do not try to measure moving water (keep TDS meter still in water). - Steve .. Hi Steve. How does one use a TDS meter? Thanks. Faith G. **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
Re: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods
I wasn't going to say anything but I was thinking that it's a 12 volt AC wall wort that plugs into a box. The box contains a pot, a switch and a couple of LEDs. The DC model includes a diode. If your lucky you might get an op-amp to sense the current and shut it off. At that price it should wake you up in the morning, make coffee, cook breakfast and start your car. Anyhow, at 12 volts and one quart batches it should take awhile to get things going. Andy In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:25:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: So, with no difference in output, the $40 price difference between the DC and the AC [input] is a $1 rectifier bridge and a .05 cent resistor to get high/ low current settings...making a different use of an existing switch. Ode At 12:05 PM 8/15/2008 -0500, you wrote: Carrole, I asked the manufacturer some questions. Here are the questions with the manufacturers answers: Do both your units, CS Master 777 AC and CS Master Universal DC, have the bi-directional current pattern functionality? * yes Is there any model that you produced that did not utilize bi-directional current pattern functionality? * no Is the green Processing light on the units an LED in series with the output voltage? * no Would the unit show a green light if there is a break in a wire between the unit and the electrodes? * yes Does the bi-directional current pattern prevent the buildup of black oxide on the negative electrode? * yes It is interesting that you commented that you used to get a heavy buildup of black on one of the electrodes but now you do not. According to the manufacturer you should never have had black on a rod because of their bi-directional current pattern. So, we either have the wrong supplier or your unit was defective when you received it. Some possibilities: 1) Your unit has started functioning correctly and that is why you no longer have blacking of a rod. 2) The original defect in the unit has progressed to complete failure. 3) You could have a break in one of the external wires. I would first check that there is no open in either of the external wires from the unit to the rods. - Steve -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods Unfortunately, the specs don't say diddley about the difference between the AC and DC units. Useless Info about the power supply, but. Like, what does the generator put out ??? No info. There's no reason that the power supply should make any difference or that the generator couldn't do both types of functions. Ode At 12:56 AM 8/15/2008 -0400, you wrote: Hi Carrole, The manufacturer makes two unit. An AC and a DC model. They are both 12 volts which is kind of a low starting voltage in my opinion. He recommends running it for 3 to 8 hours. It's a pretty straight forward looking apparatus. You could measure the voltage across the electrodes with a volt meter if you are concerned. Otherwise, shining a laser through it, the salt test or tasting it will give you some kind of indication how you are doing. Below is the web site of the manufacturer. http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/http://www.colloidalsilvermaster .com/ Hope this helps, Andy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
Re: CSSilver wire (UNCLASSIFIED)
I buy mine here. _http://www.ccsilver.com/_ (http://www.ccsilver.com/) They send a certificate of authorization with it. Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:24:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE What is cheapest place to buy silver wire. 99.9 is good enough do not need the 99.99 My humble opinion it is all the same no matter what the assay report says. Bob Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
Re: forgot kind of machine CSSilver rods
Hi Carrole, The manufacturer makes two unit. An AC and a DC model. They are both 12 volts which is kind of a low starting voltage in my opinion. He recommends running it for 3 to 8 hours. It's a pretty straight forward looking apparatus. You could measure the voltage across the electrodes with a volt meter if you are concerned. Otherwise, shining a laser through it, the salt test or tasting it will give you some kind of indication how you are doing. Below is the web site of the manufacturer. _http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/_ (http://www.colloidalsilvermaster.com/) Hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:44:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, captain_sun...@yahoo.ca writes: Hi again I forgot to tell you the kind of machine It is a collodial master --- On Wed, 8/13/08, ascottsil...@aol.com ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: From: ascottsil...@aol.com ascottsil...@aol.com Subject: Re: CSSilver rods To: captain_sun...@yahoo.ca, silver-list@eskimo.com Received: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:56 PM Hi Carrole, If everything is the same but the generator isn't working as well as it used to I would suggest you clean the silver rods with scotch brite and if your generator uses batteries, change them. Typically to get stronger CS you would run the generator longer. What kind of generator are you using? Andy In a message dated 8/13/2008 1:54:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, captain_sun...@yahoo.ca writes: Hi I tried the light through the container and got a faint beam I am wondering if my silver rods are not putting out much silver Could this be possible? I want to know what might be wrong with not getting as much CS in my containers In the beginning I seen particules and when I wiped the silver rods off there was black stuff Now I get hardly nothing I would like stronger CS Could anyone help me figure out what is going on with my CS and be able to make stronger CS? Thanks Carrole (http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com/) **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
Re: CSSilver rods
Hi Carrole, If everything is the same but the generator isn't working as well as it used to I would suggest you clean the silver rods with scotch brite and if your generator uses batteries, change them. Typically to get stronger CS you would run the generator longer. What kind of generator are you using? Andy In a message dated 8/13/2008 1:54:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, captain_sun...@yahoo.ca writes: Hi I tried the light through the container and got a faint beam I am wondering if my silver rods are not putting out much silver Could this be possible? I want to know what might be wrong with not getting as much CS in my containers In the beginning I seen particules and when I wiped the silver rods off there was black stuff Now I get hardly nothing I would like stronger CS Could anyone help me figure out what is going on with my CS and be able to make stronger CS? Thanks Carrole _Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! _ (http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com/) **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Thanks Marshall, Chlorine dioxide is readily soluble into water is what I needed to know. Now it all makes sense. Andy In a message dated 8/11/2008 7:54:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Leslie, It's sort of like Clorox. It's used to bleach wood pulp (paper) and flour to make them white. It's also used to disinfect drinking water. It's my understanding that MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement is chlorine dioxide. It turns into a toxic gas at 52 degrees Fahrenheit so I'm not sure how people take it. Maybe someone else can explain it? MMS is not chlorine dioxide, it is a 28% by weight solution of sodium chlorite. When mixed with acid, either in a glass by adding lemon juice, or vinegar, or when it hits the stomach acid, it converts to chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is readily soluble into water, so it simply remains in the water, or stomach fluid, or blood stream. It never becomes a gas. When making it, and before dilution, some gas may be given off if you wait more than the recommended 3 minutes after adding the acid before diluting it. It is advised to never ever breath any gas which may come off at this point. The part that says Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5! minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes is of interest however. This works out to be equivalent to 18.2 drops of mms, which is if I remember right the highest recommended dosage, yet appears to have only affected the people for 5 minutes. Typically when you take MMS in the prescribed manner, this is what one experiences, until either the pathogens are all killed, or the body acclimates to it. Marshall **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMiracle Mineral Supplement NOT Chlorine Dioxide
Thanks again Marshall, Everything I've read seems to skip the chlorous acid part and implies that sodium chlorite is directly converted into chlorine dioxide. Andy In a message dated 8/11/2008 10:26:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: Yes, that is correct. Sodium chlorite is converted to chlorous acid immediately. Then the chlorous acid converts to chlorine dioxide slowly. An interesting aspect to the chlorous acid reduction is that the speed of reduction is proportional to the concentration. That is a concentrated solution may have a half life of 15 or so minutes, but a strong solution may last up to 12 hours. This is taken advantage of with MMS where the sodium chlorite is added to acid, and left for 3 minutes. During those 3 minutes, sufficient chlorous acid converts to chlorine dioxide to reach saturation level of the water. Then after diluting, the conversion process drops to about 1 to 2 % of the previous rate. So when you take it you get a big bang initially, then the rest converts over the next 12 or so hours so that the level of chlorine dioxide remains at a low, but relatively stable level. Once can also take the MMS without adding to the acid, but if you do, you miss the initial ramp up, and it make take several hours for it to reach the peak level in the blood. Marshall **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMiracle Mineral Supplement NOT Chlorine Dioxide
Hi Wayne, If MMS isn't chlorine dioxide, then what is MMS? Andy In a message dated 8/10/2008 4:38:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cwf...@fugitt.com writes: Morning Andy, You are confusing MMS with Chlorine Dioxide. They are not the same thing, never have been. First, you are not likely to breathe MSS. The FDA has approved Chlorine Dioxide for purifying water, for washing meat, Bleaching Flour, and on and on. This dates back to 1944. It has been used for curing disease in cattle ( MMS or Similar ) for many years, dating back into the 40's and 50's. It is so dangerous, it cannot be shipped. It has no shipping classification. Chlorine Dioxide has to be made, At the location where it is used. As Mike pointed out, you can kill yourself with Water, Sand, or Snow, if you try hard enough. Likely we have all ingested thousands of toxic substances during our life. Years back someone wrote a book or article about the 5000 poisons on the grocery store shelf. That's hardly a swimming pool. Anyhow, sorry about saying scary sounding things. I'll try to be more careful in the future. No need to be sorry, ... being concerned is a better term, and certainly in order. If you read the MDI archives, you would likely find most of the information you want. But, .. if you can't find things with Google, likely you can't search the Archives. If you used the right mailer ( doubtful that you do ) I could send you the whole smear,] only 12,000 messages. You are talking about a few ppm of Chlorine dioxide. Not enough to do any damage, just enough to do a few good things. As little as 4 drops can improve some abnormal body functions. Of course 400 drops will likely send you to the hospital, or maybe the morgue. And I do not claim to know all the facts, just a few. Finally, research the genius Chemist from NASA that helped Jim Humble put the Icing on the Cake. Smart People know when to seek help from other people. ( Consultation may be a better word ) Jim Humble was a Gold Miner, not a chemists Wayne = **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
This is interesting... Andy _United States Patent: 4689215_ (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=4 689215.PN.OS=PN/4689215RS=PN/4689215) _http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1; u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=4689215.PN.OS=PN/4689215RS =PN/4689215_ (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=4689215.PN.OS=PN/468 9215RS=PN/4689215) In a message dated 8/8/2008 11:27:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leslie3...@yahoo.com writes: Thanks and it reminds me of the cancer cure mentioned using 1/8 teas. to 20 ml distilled water to gargle only; not swallow. I just never got the nerve to try but I don't have cancer. Leslie --- ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Leslie, It's sort of like Clorox. It's used to bleach wood pulp (paper) and flour to make them white. It's also used to disinfect drinking water. It's my understanding that MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement is chlorine dioxide. It turns into a toxic gas at 52 degrees Fahrenheit so I'm not sure how people take it. Maybe someone else can explain it? Andy In a message dated 8/8/2008 5:22:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leslie1...@windstream.net writes: I wonder what chlorine dioxide is? Would this be like clorox? Or is this what is in the MMS? Sounds risky to me. Leslie From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net Date: 2008/08/07 Thu AM 12:38:11 CDT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement AScott - You are talking about chlorine dioxide GAS... yes the gas is toxic to inhale. CLO2 in small amounts is NOT toxic to healthy cells... just anerobes, virus, and parasites. - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing, respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992]. Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5 ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991]. Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5! minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes [NLM http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#hea lthhazard -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00051 7 ) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Thanks for the info Mike. I was ignorant of MMS or chlorine dioxide. That's why I've been researching it and posting what I found. It's easy to find testimony in favor of something but a little more difficult to find scientific facts. When I saw a post that said it cures 100 percent of AIDS cases I tended to be skeptical (and curious) especially when I read that breathing as little as 19 ppm has killed people (OSHA MSDS). That's hardly a swimming pool. Anyhow, sorry about saying scary sounding things. I'll try to be more careful in the future. Best regards, Andy In a message dated 8/9/2008 8:09:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Andy writes: Chlorine Dioxide boils or becomes a gas at 11 deg. C or 52 deg. F. It is classified as very toxic by the European Union. You mix a few drops of a sodium chlorite solution with a weak organic acid like vinegar, lemon or lime juice, or citric acid, which produces a very small quantity of chlorine dioxide, which is mostly dissolved in the liquid, though you can smell it, as well. Then you add this to some apple juice or something and chug it... Yes, Andy, if you mixed a significant amount of sodium chlorite with a bunch of acid, it'd create enough chlorine dioxide to be seriously harmful. That's the toxicity they're talking about. You can also drown in a swimming pool, or die from eating the pool chemicals. MMS is powerful stuff and has definitely helped some folks, but you MUST NOT remain ignorant if you are going to attempt to use it. Nor should anyone decide NOT to learn about MMS just because somebody else chooses to say scary sounding things about it. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself...] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Bob, Chlorine Dioxide boils or becomes a gas at 11 deg. C or 52 deg. F. It is classified as very toxic by the European Union. My body temp is about 98 deg. F What's yours? In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:38:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bbane...@earthlink.net writes: AScott - You are talking about chlorine dioxide GAS... yes the gas is toxic to inhale. CLO2 in small amounts is NOT toxic to healthy cells... just anerobes, virus, and parasites. - Original Message - From: _ascottsil...@aol.com_ (mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing, respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992]. Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5 ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991]. Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5 minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes [NLM _http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#he althhazard_ (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#healthhazard) Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? _Read reviews on AOL Autos_ (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517) . **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Hi Leslie, It's sort of like Clorox. It's used to bleach wood pulp (paper) and flour to make them white. It's also used to disinfect drinking water. It's my understanding that MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement is chlorine dioxide. It turns into a toxic gas at 52 degrees Fahrenheit so I'm not sure how people take it. Maybe someone else can explain it? Andy In a message dated 8/8/2008 5:22:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leslie1...@windstream.net writes: I wonder what chlorine dioxide is? Would this be like clorox? Or is this what is in the MMS? Sounds risky to me. Leslie From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net Date: 2008/08/07 Thu AM 12:38:11 CDT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement AScott - You are talking about chlorine dioxide GAS... yes the gas is toxic to inhale. CLO2 in small amounts is NOT toxic to healthy cells... just anerobes, virus, and parasites. - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing, respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992]. Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5 ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991]. Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5! minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes [NLM http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#healthhazard -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSOT: Using green food products?
Hi Mike, Maybe this is too obvious but couldn't you just put it into capsules? Best regards, Andy In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:22:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Hi folks, I have an OT question I'd like to get your input on... I've seen many advertisements for various products that consist of powdered greens/algae/who-knows-what, that are supposed to provide concentrated nutrition to overcome the emptiness of modern produce and the inadequacies of the common diet. One example I happen to have a container of is Barlean's Greens. How can we take this stuff so that it's really palatable? Can we make it into a veggie dip? What do you mix it with? Have you had any good results from such products? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself...] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting
Hi Bob, Sorry if I sound like a skeptic but when you say Aids is curable 100% of the time with MMS that old saying If it sounds too good to be true... pops into my head. Is there anything at all besides testimony that supports your statement? Maybe clinical trials, double blind studies or even scientific research? Perhaps you already posted it as I wasn't able to open the link you posted either... Thanks for your time, Andy In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:13:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bbane...@earthlink.net writes: Yes, it's a strong but TRUE statement. MMS acts in the body like hydrogen peroxide produced by the mitochondria in our cells to destroy any and all pathogens. It is a stronger oxidant and does not harm healthy cells. Once more our cells recognize CLO2 as oxygen, thus it gets absorbed into the cells where virus resides then POOF! it's killed through oxidation. It also oxidizes chemicals and metals in the body, and becuase it neutralizes them there is little in the way of side effects as they are excreted. Some nausea or diarrhea could occur.. if so back off on the amount until you are able to increase again. Always start with a very small amount.. say two drops... and work your way up to 15 drops two or three times daily for serious diseases. Some need to take it more frequently... say once every hour or two but this is rare. Avoid Vit.C and other anti-oxidants while taking it though... in this case we are oxidizing germs and don't want to interfere with that process. Cheers. Bob - Original Message - From: _ascottsil...@aol.com_ (mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting Wow! That's a pretty strong statement... In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:45:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _bbane...@earthlink.net_ (mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net) writes: Aids is curable 100% of the time with MMS (chlorine dioxide either taken orally or by IV). Although it is important to follow the proper protocol in making and ingesting MMS, it is the most potent oxidizer we can take without toxic or negative side effects (other than possible nausea or diarrhea temporarily). - Original Message - From: _Dee _ (mailto:d...@deetroy.org) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting Couldn't make it work S-Max. Dee ---Original Message--- From: _S-Max_ (mailto:s...@emotap.com) Date: 04/08/2008 16:59:41 To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting ThJust came across this article and thought it was share-worthy. S-Max _http://www.scienceblog_ (http://www.scienceblog/) com/cms/pathologists-believe-they-have-pinpointed-achilles-heel-hiv-16900 html Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? _Read reviews on AOL Autos_ (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517) . **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
CSMMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing, respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992]. Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5 ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991]. Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5 minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes [NLM _http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#he althhazard_ (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html#healthhazard) **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting
Wow! That's a pretty strong statement... In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:45:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bbane...@earthlink.net writes: Aids is curable 100% of the time with MMS (chlorine dioxide either taken orally or by IV). Although it is important to follow the proper protocol in making and ingesting MMS, it is the most potent oxidizer we can take without toxic or negative side effects (other than possible nausea or diarrhea temporarily). - Original Message - From: _Dee _ (mailto:d...@deetroy.org) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting Couldn't make it work S-Max. Dee ---Original Message--- From: _S-Max_ (mailto:s...@emotap.com) Date: 04/08/2008 16:59:41 To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: CSHIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting ThJust came across this article and thought it was share-worthy. S-Max _http://www.scienceblog_ (http://www.scienceblog/) com/cms/pathologists-believe-they-have-pinpointed-achilles-heel-hiv-16900 html **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: CSNuisance emails
Hi Dee, It is important to get rid of tracking cookies and Trojans. They are often the source of spam and pop up windows. They can even copy your keystrokes and steal passwords and other personal information. I use Spybots Search and Destroy. It can be downloaded at www.spybot.com for free and it catches a lot of stuff that other virus checkers miss. I hope this helps, Andy In a message dated 7/30/2008 3:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Does anyone know how to stop these please? I have Incredimail and a facility to block and bounce, but they just keep coming in! I put the words I want on the blocked senders thingy but they still keep on coming and its driving me mad! Any advice gratefully received! Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
CSStem cells (was something else)
Hi Ode, Marshall, et al; This discussion reminded me of how Robert O Becker (not to be confused with Bob Beck) used electricity and silver to create primitive stem cells that were used in the regeneration of a severed finger. I know you guys are familiar with the story but I will include a link to the article for others who might not be. Best regards, Andy _http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm_ (http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm) In a message dated 7/24/2008 7:37:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: At 11:04 AM 7/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes it virtually nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode ## How is triggering or stimulating a natural function nutrition? A nutrient would be a building block or something that feeds something that has been built to contribute energy to it? It's more likely that stems cell production is increased rather than any cells reverting anyhow. Something has to 'fill' the voids to heal an abrasion...don't think existing cells do that after they've been rubbed away, nor would I think existing cells would migrate, reverted or not. Looking at it another way: Is there any silver in a stem cell where that stem cell wouldn't be a stem cell were the silver not there?? Gets a bit ticklish there, like the difference between a baby born that's raised by momma, influenced to behave like that momma and one that's an orphan at birth looking for a momma to raise it and copy. Does something revert or is it lack of family ties imprint, going forward. It seems unlikely that grandpa puts on diapers and moves out of down town to repopulate the burbs. ..no question it does something good, but a bandaid isn't a nutrient either. Maybe silver gets something out of the way, so stem cells can play better hookup. [like a 50 in a pimps hand bribing the cop on the corner.impeding a prevention of a whore moan? ] ummm, floozie cells with no significant other and a silver membership in a dating service? Will micro-electrical current stimulation do the same thing? Heals up broken bones pretty fast. Maybe silver works like a traffic cop with a map and a whistle, but that's not a car in the traffic or anyone in a car...he's in the traffic but is not, the, traffic...never contacts a car. Definitely a process enhancer, but probably not part of the process... like a director isn't *in* a play with any part in the plot and that guy waving sticks around doesn't make the music... the actor is still the same actor with the same part and the notes played by the trumpet are still the same notes on the same sheet of paper. Architects don't build buildings. A pencil never laid any bricks or peened any rivits. Ode You are only considering the pathogen killing ability of silver. What about the ability to make it so that injured (or blood) cells can revert back to stem cells and redifferentiate, and allow healing without scarring? It certainly serves that purpose, especially when used topically on abrasions, and burns. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
CSAdult onset Stills
Hi Ernie, My search engine came up with the below sites and lots more. Hope this helps, Andy _http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info_ (http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info) _http://stillswebsite.tripod.com/aosd.htm_ (http://stillswebsite.tripod.com/aosd.htm) _http://www.kourir.org/medical/cush.htm_ (http://www.kourir.org/medical/cush.htm) In a message dated 7/21/2008 10:35:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yogawither...@rogers.com writes: I recently sent out a message to the group asking if anyone has heard of or experienced a rare disease called Adult onset Stills. Could anyone please help? :-) Ernie Patai 416-633-2485 yogawither...@rogers.com GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSAdult onset Stills
Hi Ernie, I'm not familiar with still's disease. You might want to try CS. After all, you have nothing to lose. There are three ways to go if you want to give it a try. You can buy ready made CS. You can buy a CS generator and make it yourself. You can build you own CS generator and cut the cost way down. I built my own. It's basically two pieces of pure silver wire in a jar filled with distilled water. You connect electricity to the wires and you get CS. If you want you can use current limit, agitate the water, use high voltage, a timer, filter it, etc. and make it as complicated as you want if you like complicated things. I'm sure there are several people on this list that would be glad to send you information on the products they sell. If you need more info, just ask. Best regards, Andy In a message dated 7/21/2008 6:43:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yogawither...@rogers.com writes: Andy, thank you so much for the information. I was just overwhelmed with all that is on the net I couldn’t find the info I wanted. Would you know of anyone who has had experience with CS and this disease? The person I know is in the Middle East so I wouldn’t even know how to address the whole CS issue. Greatly appreciated. J Ernie Patai 416-633-2485 yogawither...@rogers.com GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 09:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com; yogawither...@rogers.com Subject: CSAdult onset Stills Hi Ernie, My search engine came up with the below sites and lots more. Hope this helps, Andy _http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info_ (http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info) _http://stillswebsite.tripod.com/aosd.htm_ (http://stillswebsite.tripod.com/aosd.htm) _http://www.kourir.org/medical/cush.htm_ (http://www.kourir.org/medical/cush.htm) In a message dated 7/21/2008 10:35:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yogawither...@rogers.com writes: I recently sent out a message to the group asking if anyone has heard of or experienced a rare disease called Adult onset Stills. Could anyone please help? :-) Ernie Patai 416-633-2485 yogawither...@rogers.com GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) . **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website?
This is to james, Answer: Re-read my post. I did not say it has no any benefit to my health. Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 11:01:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jpmbu...@gmail.com writes: This is to Andy, Question: So why are you still taking CS for more than 10 yrs if it has no any benefit to your health? Just for curiosity. james On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:57 PM, _ascottsil...@aol.com_ (mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Cyndi, To the best of my knowledge peginterferon and ribavirin are the only things that have successfully been used to treat HCV. The cost is about $3,000 a month, the side affects can be bad and there is no guarantee that it will work. There are clinical trials going on searching for a better cure. _http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/_ (http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/) I've had HCV 1b for 30 years and have been taking CS for about 10 years. I've taken huge amounts and it has done nothing to lower my viral load. I don't think CS can kill virus in vivo, at least I haven't seen any scientific studies that indicate that it can. Beware of anyone who claims too much about CS. It is usually just testimony from a salesman that cannot be referenced to a scientific study. I hope this helps... Andy In a message dated 7/14/2008 1:27:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _cyndia...@earthlink.net_ (mailto:cyndia...@earthlink.net) writes: I mentioned on a hep c group that I take CS and they posted this link: _http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c_ (http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c) I know most of it isn't true. How can I show them? Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: _http://silverlist.org_ (http://silverlist.org/) To post, address your message to: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Address Off-Topic messages to: _silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _mdev...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com) Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus0005000112) ! **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website?
Hi Cyndi, That's great that it's working for you. It's my understanding that some genotypes are tougher to get rid of than others. Also, I think the damn thing can transform into a more resilient form that can be tougher to get rid of. An excellent information and support group can be found at this web site: http://www.hepatitis.org.uk/ Be careful with the oleander soup: Oleander is one of the most poisonous plants and contains numerous toxic compounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleander Anyhow, good luck with your fight against the dragon! Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 12:50:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: It's lowered mine over the past year from 14 million to less than three. However, the alopathic method wipes it out as fast as 4 weeks although the problem is that many times it doesn't stay gone. I have 2A if I remember correctly which is supposed to be a good thing. The doctor told me today that if I did go to their clinic I may be able to get by with as little as 3 months and at the most 6. I'm going to make a decision once I get the results back and I have a liver biopsy. There are two other protocols that I've been trying as well. One is using alpha lipoic acid, selenium and milk thistle. I've been on this for 2-3 months now. The other is oleander soup, home made. I took it a week or two, taking more and more each day. However, it killed the energy I picked up from the CS and the ALA. I stopped taking it for now but I will be back on it at some point. Next time I will take less and build up slower. Hopefully between the three I come up very little if any results from the viral load test. We will see! Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website?
Thanks Bob, I'll look into MMS. I've built the Rife machine that uses a CB radio, audio generator, RF amplifier, hand blown glass bulb, etc. It was fun to build but it didn't do much. Maybe I didn't have the right frequencies. Regards, Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 6:06:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bbane...@earthlink.net writes: Andy, Have you tried MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement)? This is a 28% sodium chlorite solution mixed with an acid such as citric acid, vinegar, lemon or lime juice to make chlorine dioxide. Try googling MMS for info this might be the answer to your problem. Virus are very difficult to inactivate sometimes frequencies sometimes work (RIfe and others). The problem with silver is that the ion has to contact the virus directly in order to deactivate it. Since the live inside of cells they are pretty much protected from silver ions. Not so with chlorine dioxide... it is readily absorbed by your cells as they can't tell the difference between this and oxygen... then poof! Oxidation takes place and the virus is vaproized leaving the cell untouched. Check it out. Bob - Original Message - From: _ascottsil...@aol.com_ (mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website? This is to james, Answer: Re-read my post. I did not say it has no any benefit to my health. Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 11:01:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _jpmbu...@gmail.com_ (mailto:jpmbu...@gmail.com) writes: This is to Andy, Question: So why are you still taking CS for more than 10 yrs if it has no any benefit to your health? Just for curiosity. james On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:57 PM, _ascottsil...@aol.com_ (mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Cyndi, To the best of my knowledge peginterferon and ribavirin are the only things that have successfully been used to treat HCV. The cost is about $3,000 a month, the side affects can be bad and there is no guarantee that it will work. There are clinical trials going on searching for a better cure. _http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/_ (http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/) I've had HCV 1b for 30 years and have been taking CS for about 10 years. I've taken huge amounts and it has done nothing to lower my viral load. I don't think CS can kill virus in vivo, at least I haven't seen any scientific studies that indicate that it can. Beware of anyone who claims too much about CS. It is usually just testimony from a salesman that cannot be referenced to a scientific study. I hope this helps... Andy In a message dated 7/14/2008 1:27:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _cyndia...@earthlink.net_ (mailto:cyndia...@earthlink.net) writes: I mentioned on a hep c group that I take CS and they posted this link: _http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c_ (http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c) I know most of it isn't true. How can I show them? Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: _http://silverlist.org_ (http://silverlist.org/) To post, address your message to: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Address Off-Topic messages to: _silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _mdev...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com) Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - _Check out TourTracker.com_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus0005000112) ! Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) . **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website?
Hi Kathryn, I take it for health reasons. It wards off and gets rid of bronchitis (I have COPD) as well as it seems to keep colds at bay. As Mike said in an earlier post, it may have some effect on secondary bacterial infections associated with colds and other viruses. I also rinse my mouth with it to get rid of bated breath (^_^). Kindest regards, Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 6:36:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clay...@skypoint.com writes: This is to Andy- we are all waiting with bated breath to find out what you did use it for. ;-) kathryn On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: This is to james, Answer: Re-read my post. I did not say it has no any benefit to my health. Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 11:01:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jpmbu...@gmail.com writes: This is to Andy, Question: So why are you still taking CS for more than 10 yrs if it has no any benefit to your health? Just for curiosity. james On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:57 PM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Cyndi, To the best of my knowledge peginterferon and ribavirin are the only things that have successfully been used to treat HCV. The cost is about $3,000 a month, the side affects can be bad and there is no guarantee that it will work. There are clinical trials going on searching for a better cure. http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ I've had HCV 1b for 30 years and have been taking CS for about 10 years. I've taken huge amounts and it has done nothing to lower my viral load. I don't think CS can kill virus in vivo, at least I haven't seen any scientific studies that indicate that it can. Beware of anyone who claims too much about CS. It is usually just testimony from a salesman that cannot be referenced to a scientific study. I hope this helps... Andy In a message dated 7/14/2008 1:27:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: I mentioned on a hep c group that I take CS and they posted this link: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c I know most of it isn't true. How can I show them? Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
CSWhere it started...
Hi Mike et al, The article is: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter by Jim Powell Science Digest, March 1978 Thanks to eye-opening research, silver is emerging as a wonder of modern medicine. An antibiotic kills perhaps a half-dozen different kinds of disease organisms, but silver kills some 650. Resistant strains fail to develop. Moreover, silver is virtually nontoxic. Best regards, Andy In a message dated 7/17/2008 12:13:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: snip Somewhere back in the darkest early days of the rediscovery of colloidal silver, somebody wrote an article in a magazing claiming that silver kills bacteria by interfering with the enzyme that controls the respiration (breathing) of the cell, causing it to suffocate. That article, whether accurate or not, has become the basis of thousands of web pages that re-state that claim with no more authority than they've seen it somewhere else. Sadly, it's one of the signs of a copycat, me-too, I don't really know what I'm talking about but it sure sounds good website. Another clue is any mention of CS kills 650 diseases, which is another claim from the same article. Such a process *may* play a role in CS' effectiveness, but if so it's not really explained fully anywhere I've seen. snip **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: CSHow do I defend CS against this website?
Hi Cyndi, To the best of my knowledge peginterferon and ribavirin are the only things that have successfully been used to treat HCV. The cost is about $3,000 a month, the side affects can be bad and there is no guarantee that it will work. There are clinical trials going on searching for a better cure. http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ I've had HCV 1b for 30 years and have been taking CS for about 10 years. I've taken huge amounts and it has done nothing to lower my viral load. I don't think CS can kill virus in vivo, at least I haven't seen any scientific studies that indicate that it can. Beware of anyone who claims too much about CS. It is usually just testimony from a salesman that cannot be referenced to a scientific study. I hope this helps... Andy In a message dated 7/14/2008 1:27:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: I mentioned on a hep c group that I take CS and they posted this link: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c I know most of it isn't true. How can I show them? Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
CSa question...
Hello All, I've been away from the list for a few years and just recently got back on it. I've been making and taking the juice for about 10 years now and I've had a question that keeps popping up in the back of my mind. At one time high concentration and small particle size seemed to be a topic of discussion. I was wondering if CS can be concentrated by evaporating or slow distilling the H2O off of it and if so will the particle size remain the same (like charges repel) or will it clump together and form large particles? Has anyone done research on that? Thanks in advance... Andy **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507)
CSRE: CS on an empty stomach?
Hi Dan, My answer to all of your questions would be yes. But why would anyone water down a good martini? But seriously, there are at least two schools of thought on the subject. Purists will say: Never mix CS with anything. It will form silver compounds that may or may not turn you blue and cause you to run for a political office. People less pure might say: Hey, it all mixes together in your mouth or stomach anyway. Other people on this list will surly respond. Use the above guidelines to tell how pure they really are. Hope this helps. Best Regards. Andy From: fig227 Can CS be consumed in one's tea or coffee? Can it be consumed with a meal, or is it best to wait until one hour after a meal? Should one drink it just before a meal? In a martini perhaps :) Dan
Re: CSOT-ALS
Thanks David. Andy From: David S Osborne .This might be helpful, Andy. davido http://www.baar.com/ sitemap_alpha.shtml On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:10:54 EDT ascottsil...@aol.com writes: Dear list members: My Mom has been diagnosed with ALS. Does anyone know of anything that is worth looking into that is worth looking into? Please respond off line or to the off topic list. Thank you for your time. Andy Scott ascottsil...@aol.com
CSOT-ALS
Dear list members: My Mom has been diagnosed with ALS. Does anyone know of anything that is worth looking into that is worth looking into? Please respond off line or to the off topic list. Thank you for your time. Andy Scott ascottsil...@aol.com
Re: CSLED's again
Hi Robb, I did a search on altavista for +light emitting diodes +healing and got 766 hits. The first few are below. I don't think anyone out there really uses these things or they would have responded by now. Hope this helps. Andy (^_^) A HREF=http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/975450257.html; http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/975450257.html/A A HREF=http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/NEWSROOM/news/releases/2000/00-336.html;http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/NEWSROOM/news/releases/2000/00-336.html/A A HREF=http://www.engr.wisc.edu/alumni/perspective/27.2/WCSAR.html;http://www.engr.wisc.edu/alumni/perspective/27.2/WCSAR.html/A http://www.johnsdental.com/articles/infrared/lasers_vs_super_luminescent_ligh. htm From: Robb Allen Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:21:58 I've been searching all over the web for some more info on the LED devices. There just isn't any info out there...or at least none that compares with what Brooks Bradley was giving. Is it necessary to drive the LED array at a specific frequency?..maybe a little like a rife machine? I drove my array at 465 hz and it seemed that I responded better to it than normal.I guess I need to try it more and compare.does anyone out there use these things?.thanks..Robb
CSRe: Consciousness alters space
? Please explain how you created ozonated vortices. Perhaps you should patent it. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) From: Lew FH Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:41:35 Greetings Remember the times when there was active discussion on vortices and structured water in the list ? I have learnt the hard way to create ozonated vortices. The topic on Consciousness alters space may be of interest to members. It is in Granny Smith cyberno4139 webpage. A HREF=http://lewfh.tripod.com/coloursarecodedfrequenciesinphotonicbandgapcrystalstructures/; http://lewfh.tripod.com/coloursarecodedfrequenciesinphotonicbandgapcrystalstructures//A Please enjoy. With regards Lew
Re: CSSubmerged Pump
Hi Ole Bob, Wouldn't spacing the electrodes farther apart be a good thing if you were producing a couple of gallons at a time and your power supply was set up to compensate for it? It seems to me that it might speed things up a little. Does a slow start (low voltage) or a fast start (higher voltage) make a difference if the final current is limited? Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Andy, The current drops down and it takes longer to get to the current limiting level. Ole Bob ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ole Bob, What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing? Andy
Re: CSSubmerged Pump
Hi Ole Bob, What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing? Andy From: Robert Berger I do not recommend air bubblers as I do not know how much CO2 is being added to the CS. Also I think that the agitation is to weak for anything larger then about a quart tank. I bought the pump at an aquarium store. It is rate 35 to 70 gal/hr with a head of 18. Since I am not elevating the DW it should be running near maximum output. The 2 gallon aquarium is 12 long, the anode is at one end and the pump at the other end directed towards the cathode- anode. Its like this PUMP---CATHODE--ANODE. Anode to cahtode spacing is 1.8
CSRe: CS development
From: Mike Monett *snip* HeHe - the AD7791 takes 16.67 samples per second. If you allow 4 bytes for the 24-bit data, and do a 10 hr run, that's 16.67*3600*10*4 = 2,400,480 bytes of data. Add a 4-byte time stamp, and you have a lot of data. A bit too much for a simple MCU to store and crunch, I'm afraid. Most of the stuff I do these days ends up with 10 or 20 megabytes of data. Fortunately, I found a way to access all the Extended memory in one contiguous block from Pascal so I don't have to go through HiMem, which is painfully slow. Displaying the data is another problem. Most Windows programs choke on million-vector data files. So I now have my own routines in Pascal and assembly that just zip through the data and can do pretty much anything I want. * Of course an MCU can't do all of that but it could use a serial port for downloading, programming and dataloging to a PC. You can write a GUI or do it with DOS. For stand alone opperation the display could be a simple seven segment LCD and a cheap numeric keypad. Use voltage pumps for the electrodes and run the whole thing from one small battery. I guess that's overkill when a battery and a resistor (or a grain of wheat lamp) will do the job just fine. Sure - it's great when you finally figure everything out and just want to make cs. I'm still trying to figure out what kind of electrode configuration, operating current, and quality of dw gives the highest ppm. Godzilla is the best so far, but it's not the final answer. * Good luck on your quest for the holy grail. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) Best Regards, Mike Monett Best wishes again, Andy (^_^)
CSThis was on Tech TV today
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CSRe: CS development
Hi Mike, Is you web site on line now? Please post it when it is. I would like to see the source code and details of the project. Pascal is a lot of fun and more powerful than most people think. I use a variable DC power supply with resistive current limiting and have found it to work well. I was an MCU applications engineer for a while so I thought it would be an ideal application for someone who wanted to put together the ideal CS generator. You know, membrane keypad, LCD display, built in A/D and D/A converters for checking initial conductivity and calculating final PPM, etc. I guess that's overkill when a battery and a resistor (or a grain of wheat lamp) will do the job just fine. Your eviction may be a blessing in disguise. Getting out of that mold infested environment is probably the best thing you can do for yourself. Think Phoenix or somewhere that is hot and dry. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) From: Mike Monett Re: CSRe: CS development From: Robert Berger Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:40:27 snip I do not know how far I will get. I have been unable to work since the mold headaches started several years ago. I am out of money, and have given my landlord notice that I can no longer pay the rent. I have six weeks to live, then will lose everything. snip Best Regards, Mike Monett
CSproxy brushing - Yeech...
Hi Reid, I think you can slowly boil or evaporate the water off of CS to concentrate it. What you start with will determine what you end up with. Hope this helps Andy From: Reid Harvey Greetings Friends, For several weeks I've been using one of the little conical proxy brushes, getting into some shallow pockets between gums and back teeth. The hygienst tells me that in these places the proxy brushing alone will help stimulate some sort of healing process, but I'm also pushing in a mix of CS, DMSO, E and aloe vera. One problem I have is that I'm not sure the CS I'm using is doing the job, a couple of drops of Microdyn, large particle size. The ointment may be something like a couple of hundred ppm. But I do know that the 10 ppm CS is of the smaller particle size that can better penetrate the tissue. So What to do? I'm not using 10 ppm CS because my feeling is that I would have to use more than a couple of drops, and when combined with the other constituents I'd end up with something lacking the desired viscosity. So I wouldn't be confident I was getting much of this to where it's needed and the ppm would also be low. One answer that occurs to me is the possibility that following use of the Microdyn ointment I could gargle with a 10 ppm/ DMSO mouthwash. I am wondering if it is reasonable to think that this mouthwash would rinse out the prior/ Microdyn ointment, thus insuring the smaller particle CS gets to the pockets. Comments anyone? Reid
Re: CSSilverGen specs
Okay, so Mike M doesn't like Trem's generator because Mike is a perfectionist. So rather than chastise Mike, let's give him a chance. Here is my proposition: Mike, design the ideal CS generator. Of course this wouldn't be a battery and a resistor. Something like an MCU. You can get them with LCD drivers, IO ports, AD converters and whatever. Put together the perfect CS generator for let's say under 200 bucks. Here is the catch. All of the parts have to be priced in quantities of 5K or less. That shouldn't be too much of a problem the way the economy is. Also include your time and other labor. Say 50 bucks an hour for PCB layout and MCU programming. 20 bucks an hour if you farm it out to India (^_^). Don't forget the contract manufacturer that buys all of the parts, manufactures the PCB and solders them together. Be as honest as you can and then figure in your overhead. And for gods sake, don't use flat strips of silver! Run the math Andy (^_^) From: CKing001 My motto is: Always be sincere whether you mean it or not. Dan
CSRe: PWT its Limits
Hi Trem, Sounds like you have a good unit on the market. Whether you like it or not, it is measuring current. Voltage and current are inversely proportional through a load (the resistance of your CS solution). With a constant current source it is measuring the voltage drop across the solution to trip the comparator. Semiconductors, like comparators trip at a voltage offset. Usually there is a resistor voltage divider to convert the current to voltage. A zener diode or some other voltage reference sets up the trip point. Current goes up, voltage goes down and vise versa. It's just a matter of perspective. Since a 14 pin DIP package contains 4 comparators you could probably make one that compensates for the DW variations without much modifications. Just a brain fart... Andy (^_^) From: Trem Hi Andy, Since you asked.we use a voltage comparator to shut our units off. We calibrate the SG6 so the production light does not come on if the water is under about 2 uS which gives the user a general idea of water quality. If the light doesn't come on then the length of time it does take to come on will indicate water conductivity in a roundabout way. Longer time means better water. We do NOT measure current. It is limited and is a constant once the unit is up to speed. That function is indicated by the production light being fully lit. From then on the voltage across the electrodes is continually reducing in order to maintain the constant current. So, it makes little difference what the water volume is..the unit runs until the voltage comparator senses the preset voltage on the front dial is the same as the voltage across the electrode. The unit then shuts down. At that point one can use a PWT meter and get a rough idea of the amount of silver in the water by subtracting the initial water reading and adding a correction factor. If one does not have a meter it makes little difference since the unit checked the water at startup and would have been less than 2 uS. I'd say it's plenty good enough. If someone waits a while and turns the unit off and back on again it will add more silver to the water. We calibrate them to work properly from startup to shutdown. I hope this helps you. Regards, Trem Williams http://www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSPWT its Limits Hi Bob and Dan, When I try to measure CS with a DC ohm meter it acts like either a capacitor or a battery which makes sense. I've got two electrodes in an electrolyte so it is either charging or discharging through the meter (which is supplying current to make the measurement). Just the process of making CS is charging up the battery so current restart Bob mentioned makes sense. Measuring the AC impedance rather than the DC resistance (as Ole Bob suggests) would also seem to make more sense. I would assume that the commercial units with automatic shutoff are measuring current by using a voltage divider and a comparator. When a set value is reached they turn off. I doubt that they measure the initial starting current and adjust for variations of DW conductivity. Of course, if the generator runs on a timer, it's probably garbage. Good questions to ask the manufacturer if they provide an auto shutoff feature. Ole Bob - Just out of curiosity, what kind of variations are you seeing between batches when you try to keep everything exactly the same? Best Regards, Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Dan, With our posteriors exposed we find that when using a DC ohm meter it is necessary to swish the electrodes in short rapid strokes to keep the reading from climbing. Generally when measuring a resistance of a liquid or soil it is done with an AC ohmmeter and preferably one running at 180 Hertz or faster. The commercial units do measure conductivity to determine when the proces is finished. The generators will not start if the conductivity of the DW is above a certain limit. Are you enough of a computer geek so that if I sent you off line a program Wplot32.exe that you would install it on the desk top, and then create a file folder My wplots under My documents to store some files that I would send to you? If you could I would like to send you some data plots of runs that I have made so that you can see some of the strange things that go on with this process. First offf the conductance changes with time i.e. at the end of a run it might be 75 uS/cm and24 hours later if might be 40 uS/cm. If you stop a process for several minutes to wipe the electodes then the current on restart will be 20 to 30% lower. In fact just stopping for a minute and restarting without doing anything and the current readings will drop. Ole Bob
Re: CSGULF WAR II ‘MYSTERY DISEASE’
Dear Alvin, Well, that post certainly used up a lot of band width and changed the subject line a little. Anyhow, it's my understanding that depleted uranium is U238 (a byproduct of extracting U235) and that it gives off very little radiation. I think the reason it is used is because it is very dense and easily goes through armor. It should work much better than Teflon coated bullets. Since Bush did the right thing and this has nothing to do with CS I will check the OT list for a response and not bother the good people of this list with politics and misinformation. Best Regards, Andy From: Alvin Rose Hi JR If you are wondering what happened to the American troups in Iraq It should be easy to figure..The US used a large amount of depleted uranium which is highly radioactive and will harm many more soldiers THE UNITED STATES USED DEPLETED URANIUM (DU) WEAPONS IN IRAQ..EXTENSIVE FUTURE DAMAGE TO IT’S OWN TROUPS On March 30, an AP photo featured an American pro-war activist holding a sign: Nuke the evil scum, it worked in 1945! That's exactly what George Bush has done. America's mega-billion dollar war in Iraq has been indeed a NUCLEAR WAR. and it goes on and on and on
Re: CSPWT its Limits
Hi Bob and Dan, When I try to measure CS with a DC ohm meter it acts like either a capacitor or a battery which makes sense. I've got two electrodes in an electrolyte so it is either charging or discharging through the meter (which is supplying current to make the measurement). Just the process of making CS is charging up the battery so current restart Bob mentioned makes sense. Measuring the AC impedance rather than the DC resistance (as Ole Bob suggests) would also seem to make more sense. I would assume that the commercial units with automatic shutoff are measuring current by using a voltage divider and a comparator. When a set value is reached they turn off. I doubt that they measure the initial starting current and adjust for variations of DW conductivity. Of course, if the generator runs on a timer, it's probably garbage. Good questions to ask the manufacturer if they provide an auto shutoff feature. Ole Bob - Just out of curiosity, what kind of variations are you seeing between batches when you try to keep everything exactly the same? Best Regards, Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Dan, With our posteriors exposed we find that when using a DC ohm meter it is necessary to swish the electrodes in short rapid strokes to keep the reading from climbing. Generally when measuring a resistance of a liquid or soil it is done with an AC ohmmeter and preferably one running at 180 Hertz or faster. The commercial units do measure conductivity to determine when the proces is finished. The generators will not start if the conductivity of the DW is above a certain limit. Are you enough of a computer geek so that if I sent you off line a program Wplot32.exe that you would install it on the desk top, and then create a file folder My wplots under My documents to store some files that I would send to you? If you could I would like to send you some data plots of runs that I have made so that you can see some of the strange things that go on with this process. First offf the conductance changes with time i.e. at the end of a run it might be 75 uS/cm and24 hours later if might be 40 uS/cm. If you stop a process for several minutes to wipe the electodes then the current on restart will be 20 to 30% lower. In fact just stopping for a minute and restarting without doing anything and the current readings will drop. Ole Bob
CSRe: CS and skin condition
Hi Teri, The dry itchy skin in normal. I believe that is caused by the liver being compromised. Gary is probably bothered by fatigue and night sweats too. How long ago did he contract it? Do you know what the genotype is? By any chance are the lesions close to where he injected Interferon? Did he clear the virus? A skin biopsy of the lesion might be a good idea. I've been guzzling CS for several years and haven't experienced anything like ringworm lesions. I doubt if it has anything to do with it. Have Gary contact me off line if he wants to. Also I think Jason might have some information. Best wishes, Andy From: Teri Johnston Hi, My other half Gary a NYC fireman was diagnosised with Hep C shortly before 9/11 and he was treated with Interferon and Ribaviran for 6 months. He has always had dry skin patches. Around 5 months ago I purchased a CS generator from Trem. Gary has been drinking around 8 oz of 15ppm CS daily. Around a month ago he developed another skin condition that in the onset looked similar to ringworm but not a perfect circle and much larger than a ringworm lesion. His dermatologist of course wanted him to discontinue CS but he hasn't. Now he has 4 of these lesions. The dermatologist has no idea what it could be and now wants to biopsy it. I'm wondering if it could be a parasite that the cs is working on eliminating, or since Hep C tests only indicate that it is undetectable that this is a way the body is ridding itself of the remnants of the Hep C virus. Any ideas. P.S. Gary itches terribly and it wakes him up at night every night. Lack of sleep is really dragging him down. Teri Johnston
CSRe: PWT its Limits
Thanks Ole Bob, I'll take that into consideration for the next build. Regarding using a larger anode, Is the particle size any different or is it just a matter of running it for less time? I need to weigh that against the benefit of being able to swap electrodes for even wear. Also, evidently people submit samples to you for testing. Can you give me some idea of what PPM the good people of the world are making? You know, throw out the highest and the lowest samples and then guesstimate the average range? One other thing, what are your thoughts on cleaning the electrodes? I clean mine now but I am planning on going to the U shaped electrodes that will be harder to clean. Sorry for all of the questions but you should be used to it by now (^_^) Best wishes, Andy Scott From: Robert Berger Hi Andy, I like a large anode because I can run at low current density (higher meter reading) and make the CS in much less time. The important thing is to note the initial starting current. Any change there is reflected in much larger changes down the time line, and it knocks the PWT readings into a cocked hat! That means that you reference data for PPM has changed. Does that matter? Only if you are looking for a given PPM. All electrically Isolated Silver works whether its 1, 5, 10, or 15 PPM. Ole Bob
CSRe: PWT its Limits
From: Robert Berger Greetings EIS'ers, This will be classic Berger and may well be worth printing for history. snip CONCLUSION: If you would plot the data whenever the new DW has a 10% change in initial reading you will be able to generate a history that will allow you to reproduce nearly the same results. Remember No pain no gain Ole Bob Dear Classic Berger, If I'm running with low current over a long period of time with a reasonable amount of DW and silver, isn't it safe to assume that a 10% deviation won't matter that much? I brew about a half gallon at a time. I run it for 8 to 12 hours at well under one ma. I try to let the electrodes go to grey, not black. I stir with the second hand movement of a clock motor that's tied to a piece of silver on mono-filament fishing line. I don't really care if the stuff is 10 or 11 PPM because there will be a new batch next week. I'm getting ready to modify my generator with new wire and new holes in the lid. Are you still promoting a larger anode or does it really make that much difference? As always, thank you for your time. Andrew Scott
CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...
E... Okay: So I guess I won't be looking for the book at amazon.com any time soon. Best wishes, Andy From: Ode Coyote Bottom line: You are the only thing that cannot be destroyed. But you certainly can misdefine what you think you are...and that misdefinition defines your self validating illusions of reality. ..which is how reality 'as we each know it' is created. Vision depends upon NOT seeing everything. If you could see everything there is to see, you'd be completely and absolutely blind. Vision depends on focus, but the more clearly you see any one thing, the less you can see of everything else. The final truth behind the illusion is that there is no 'each'. This is difficult to keep in mind when every illusion proves itself to your satisfaction. If it doesn't, you create another illusion that does. But then, all the proofs are contained within the illusion. It's especially difficult to keep in mind when the very idea of 'me' depends upon misdefining mind. [Because any definition at all has to be incomplete..by definition..because mind has no limits or boundaries or locations to define] Clue: The mind is not in the brain. The brain is held in the mind as a symbol of location. All objects are symbols with meanings that vary depending on point of view. The brain does not think, it sorts though all of thought and selects those that successfully don't contradict the program it is running...and denies all others. If the program is so conflicted as to crash, the brain changes it and selects different thoughts to back up and confirm the change. [but no program is without fatal conflicts, so, programs don't crash...denial does. No program could run at all without denial.] Oddly, the closer you examine anything with the sincere desire to know what it really is and the idea that you don't already know, the more it goes away. You don't exist, therefore, cannot be destroyed. [???] Or is that, You are real 'because' nothing at all is? Each of us is only that one mind taking different points of view in a common loosly defined [misdefined] field of symbology...which can only be done by denying to some extent that other points of view are valid. [This is the function that the black or white-out tool 'ego' serves. This is this, therefore, it is not that.] Just what is it that tells a drop of water how big it is when it's in an ocean of water? [It's 'unreal' sense of self vs all that it denies being it...but all senses depend on denial.] Fear is not real. It's a tool we use to make things SEEM real. After all, how much fun is a roller coaster if you're not scared? Adventure is defined as that which you'd rather not happen [because it's so darned scary ], but are glad it did...after the fact. Waxing Phil Asophical ..makes him shine up nice, ey? [Fellow thrill seeker pretending to want security] Ode At 12:19 AM 8/1/2003 -0700, you wrote: Andy: I won't be ready to write my real book until I'm done caring about this world. The truth is simply just too painful and overwhelmingly joyous at the same time -- and also exceedingly dangerous. It takes quite alot of illusion ( for us as people ) to maintain coherant consciousness in this world which is so seperated from nature, where the lines of division have been drawn knowingly by hands which touch far more than the fabric of society... None of us is an exception to the rule. Indeed, our enemy has always been both ignorance and the power of knowledge. It's a double-edged sword that slices at both ends of the extremes and it is a self-sustaining system. I enjoyed Levi's writing style... Although I have always disagreed, occasionally venemously, with the hermetic traditions of masking things within secrecy and placing blinds within knowledge. I spent quite some time in my very-younger days attempting to penetrate the 33+ levels of the mystery schools, with a touch of success here and there. I probably would have never been open to the idea of colloidal silver had I not ( ironically enough ). One of my favorite quotes ( paraphrased, I believe ) Fear not. What is not real never has been and never shall be. What is real always was and cannot be destroyed. This is an abstract philosophical riddle that has a solution, or solvent, written into a hypothetical conceptual absolute. The riddle states that the final answer to fear lies in the fundamental definition of reality... That this solution can be comprehended by simply observing two facts in nature: What is real and what is not. Further, it provides the needed definition of reality as a starting point. Ironically, the only way to solve it is finding something that cannot be destroyed, as one would have to wait eternity to see what truly remained otherwise. The value comes in agonizing over any possible solvents to the riddle. The conclusions are stunning if one chooses to accept the fundamental starting point -- conceptually. The implications are
CSRe: CS book
Oh good... Someone else who might be writing a book. Dear Warren, Exactly what is your question? There are several independent labs that will analyze your CS for a fee. They use different equipment and different methods. Who did you send your sample to? Who else did you send a sample to? What were the results? Did you do the math? If your deadline supersedes accuracy, then maybe you should be writing a children's book instead. There are a lot of sharp people on this list that can help you if you can be little more specific. Regards, Andy From: Warren Jefferson I'm doing this book on CS and have been talking with Mike Monett about including his generator design. The one using a single 9 volt battery. Well I built one for myself to test with the instructions he turned over to public domain recently. He helped me along the way and I sent him digital photos of the progress. He thought it looked like it should. So after brewing a couple of batches I sent out two samples for testing. One reading came back as 8.36 ppm and one read 10.05 ppm or something very close to that. I don't have those reports here where I am at this evening. It has no TE and is crystal clear. So I am quite pleased with Mike's design. I plan to have it analyzed for particle and ion content as well. But Mike thought those readings were low and that maybe it wasn't such a good design after all. I know he did not want his CS analyzed for some reason and I knew he had issues with Frank and Ole Bob. But I want to feel confident about the information in the book and so felt compelled to have it tested. I really didn't want to get in the middle of this thing. I would like to keep his 9 volt design in because it is so simple and cheap with one battery and it has a long brew time, 6-8 hours. You don't have to watch it so closely as with others. And it make pretty good CS. I need to turn the book over to the publisher next week so I am in crunch time. We talked about Mike Devour's suggestion of having his own CS independently tested but he said. Tell Mike on my behalf I have been through these battles before. It takes about three months, and it is far too brutal for the gentle inhabitants of the Silver List. He also said he disconnected from the Silver List and that he was no longer interested. You guys who know him, do you think he will come to his senses? Maybe someone should connect with him. Warren
Re: CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...
Hi Jason, Way back when, I used to read Eliphas Levi, I was impressed by his idea that apathy was one of the greatest sins man could accomplish. I flashed back to that when I read your post. So here is the free plug: What is the name of your book and who publishes it? Best regards, Andy From: Jason Eaton snip In the pursuit of knowledge, one applies every known test, every possible idea. Doing so may at times not be feasible or practical. However, in my book, WANTING to do less is unexcuseable, and is the result of 1. laziness, 2. fear, or 3. uncaring. I'm often amazed at how widespread wanting to say more and wanting to know less - is. Best Regards, Jason
Re: CSThe Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...
So everyone send your samples to Mike D, along with a sealed bid -- and he will tell us who makes the best CS. It's good to be the list owner (^_^) Andy PS - If anyone wants a second opinion... From: M. G. Devour snip This way I can not prejudice the results. snip I'd be happy to hold the money. grin Be well, gentlemen. Mike D.
Re: CSLice- TJ Garland
From: Mike Monett snip I think the 12 ga wire allows the ions to disperse more readily, and allows a higher ppm. But one way to solve the dispersal problem is with forced circulation. This would refresh the dw between the plates and should allow higher concentration before large amounts of oxide are produced. Hi Mike, If you haven't already, ask Marshall to send you a photo of his set up. It's very impressive. Best wishes, Andy
Re: CSallergy?
From: Brooks Bradley Dear Nancy, If you will send me the man's mailing address, I will be happy to send him an Airbrush-type nebulizer, together with the proper hose assembly to connect to any standard Oxygen bottle connectorat no charge. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Dear Brooks, You have always been a gentleman and the above post emphasizes your kindness and compassion to your fellow man. Those are indeed rare qualities these days. I just wanted to say thanks for all you have done for this list and the people on it. Okay, enough ass kissing. Now for the mandatory Off Topic segment. I sent an email to the manufactures of Thorvin Kelp asking them what dose I should take as a dietary supplement. Below was their response: Dear Andrew, Thank you for your interest in Thorvin Kelp. For your personal care use you can contact our distributor, Maine Coast Sea Vegetable, you can reach them at 207-565-2907. Animals are capable of regulating their own intake based on need. For all animals we recommend a free choice method of supplementing, meaning that kelp is available to the animals at all times. This method works best because the animals can and do vary their intake, tailored to their needs, which can change with external factors (i.e. seasons, high stress periods, and ect.) Our intake references are based on twenty years of animal observations, averaging the intake of different groups of animals in different areas. Sheep, goats and horses all use about 1/2 oz. per head per day, while beef and dairy cattle use 1-3 oz. per head per day. Kelp can be added to poultry and swine rations at 1-2% of the ration by weight. Dogs use 1/2 to 1 teaspoon per day and cats use 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon per day. For fertilizer use we recommend 200 to 400 lbs. per acre broadcast or in the row, 10 lbs. per 1000 sq. ft. of garden, 1 teaspoon per 6 inch pot for houseplants, and 10 lbs. per ton of compost. Sincerely Melissa Martin Thorvin Kelp As you can see, they were very careful not to give specific instructions for human use, but it would seem that your heaping tablespoon a day is right in the ballpark (1 tablespoon = 1/2 oz. by my calculations). My concern was that your Japanese friend who was eating a pound a day might be getting a pretty heavy load of arsenic. Best Regards, Andy Scott
Re: CSleukemia article
A quick search came up with these two sites. I think SeaSilver has been shut down for making bogus claims. Hope this helps. AD Scott A HREF=http://www.legalvote.com/study/study3742.phtml;http://www.legalvote.com/study/study3742.phtml/A Recently the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society's local chapter here in Arizona asked me to create an information sheet for a packet that they give to newly diagnosed patients challenged with cancer specifying natural healing practices. Among the information I provided, I recommended Seasilver as a supplement to compliment any type of treatments they are experiencing. That's how much I believe in Seasilver. http://betteryourhealth.com/testimonials.html From: TJ Garland Last week I ran across an article about a study that said that most childhood leukemia and some adult was simply a fungal infection. The fungus was treated and the leukemia disappeared. Yesterday a lady friend called me and told me she was diagonised with leukemia as were two neighbors. She is a student of alt med also. Of course the $...@^% doc wanted to begin chemotherapy(he clears about $2500 a visit). I cannot find the study. It was in some health site I surfed across. Did anyone else see the article? TIA TJ Garland
CSOT-Re: Body Balance, SeaSilver
Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the info. As you might have guessed by now, I'm not a big fan of dietary supplements. Consequently, I don't have any bottles of them lying around so I can't check the labels to see what's in them. I have to rely on what I read on their web sites to get my information. It is my view that dietary supplements at the best are a waste of money and at the worst could contain things that are actually harmful. I also take offense to most of the companies marketing practices. I see nothing wrong with taking mega-doses of something to try to cure or slow the progression of a disease, but I don't think that taking a sip of this or a spoonful of that is going to make life better in general. If I did, I would be on prozac. Eating unprocessed food instead of something in a package or a can is better than adding supplements to your diet in my view. Sorry I'm such the pessimist. I would never find it rude for you or anyone else to send me something personal. About the only thing I find rude on this list is myself. (^_^) The Off topic list can be found at: A HREF=http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html;http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html/A Best wishes, Andy From: Pow-Map Andy- First of all, I'm new to this list and can't find it's web page to check any OT comments. I joined simply by email and was only sent basic information. Could you fill me in there? Thanks. Also, I don't know if you would have found it rude for me to send you something personal-so I didn't :) I'm sorry I didn't send any links to the companies I mentioned but I did visit them myself. They don't put the Supplement Facts on thier sites. Why??? I don't know what's up with that. But do they put them on their bottles? Your darn right they do (all the companies I mentioned in my prior email do). Also, you can email them ANY question and they will get back to you any information you ask for. Some of the companies want you to fill out some information and then they will send it to you. Personally, I don't buy my supplements on-line. Now, that I know they don't put Supplemnt Facts on their sites I will probably never do so. But the fact remains-go into any health store and look at the back of a bottle and you'll see what I'm talking about. (I bothered to look at ALL my vitties and everyone last one of them has Supplement Facts on the back-by the way I have 53 different bottles of supplements:) Apparantly, you'll physically have to go into a store or email companies (if your on-line shopping) for more detailed information. But it's law for the companies we deal with to put an exact disclosure of what's in their products-we do have a few stragglers but they are getting in trouble and we really don't sell those any ways. Don't know if I helped. Good luck, Maryanne Andy wrote: Unfortunately you didn't supply links to your sources so I had to find them. They all list what are supposed to be wonderful ingredients but they don't list the amounts. Why? Because they don't have to. That is the problem. You mentioned that you get what you pay for. I would rather pay less and get the actual ingredients listed on the label then pay the long buck to see contains Garbanzo Beans, Red Lentil, etc. I couldn't find the Supplement Facts on any of the web sites for your products or the actual amount of any of the ingredients. You said look it up yourself or ask! so I am asking... What's up with that?
Re: CSOT: Semi-coherent Ramblings KELP DOSAGES.
Dear Brooks, My mistake. At the local grocery store a bottle of 100 pills of kelp costs about 7 dollars. A quick search of the web shows that if you are eating kelp that is marketed as fertilizer or livestock feed you are only paying only about 10 dollars a pound for it. You are probably getting more of it then you know what to do with after that little storm you just had. The below site may prove interesting for your Japanese friend. Best wishes, Andy Scott http://www.nutritionfocus.com/nutrition_supplementation/herbs/kelp.html From: AScottSilver Now that sounds about right to get some nutritional value out of it. Any idea how much that would cost? Best regards, Andy Scott From: Brooks Bradley (A HREF=http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html?by=Authora=Brooks%20Bradley;view other messages by this author/A) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:56:16 Dear List members, I have received a blizzard of requests, off-line for details/suggestions on what dosages for general use. Following is a brief response to Jules, which I hope will be adequate for most of the inquiries. I believe there is small reason to consider kelp as a mass-related supplement. That is, I feel the quantities I consume (I weigh 180 lbs, 6' 2 in height) are just as applicable to a 120 personas for me. I know of a Japanese acquaintance who has consumed fresh kelp by the POUND on a daily basis.for many years, with nothing but splendid results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Dear Jules, I take one heaping tablespoon, mixed with one heaping tablespoon of granulated lecithin, twice daily. The only truly acceptable technique (for me) is to place both in the mouth, simultaneously and mix with enough water to form a slurry by swishing aroundnext, just wash down progressively with a glass of water. The lecithin is a natural emulsifier and enables a smooth passage of the composite mixture. Attempting to take a heaping tablespoon of granulated kelp---alone---is quite challenging, as kelp is quite hygroscopic. I have used liquid kelp as a foliar fertilizer for 25 years. It has proven to be an excellent amendmentfor all classes of plants. Actually, my best protocol involves the combination of liquid kelp (I use Maxicrop, primarily because it is very soluble, is a reliable/repeatable product), H202 and black molasses. One effective mix includes 2 ounces of concentrated (liquid)kelp diluted in one gallon of water, together with one cup of unprocessed molasses and two ounces of 3.5% hydrogen peroxide. Using a conventional garden sprayer adjusted to coarse mistcover the foliage to the point of moisture run-off. Kelp is excellent for rabbits. An easy method of supplying it is through using the liquid kelp at about one teaspoon per 1/2 gallon of drinking water.supplied free choice for your rabbits. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. The best bargain is found through purchasing the water soluble powder, rather than the pre-packaged liquid form. wwen...@aol.com wrote: Brooks, Thorvin kelp is an excellent value. What dosage do you use for consumption? Do you have experience using it on the garden? Why is it not recommended for rabbits? (my only livestock). Thanks for everything, Jules
Re: CSOT: Semi-coherent Ramblings KELP DOSAGES.
From: Brooks Bradley snip I know of a Japanese acquaintance who has consumed fresh kelp by the POUND on a daily basis.for many years, with nothing but splendid results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Now that sounds about right to get some nutritional value out of it. Any idea how much that would cost? Best regards, Andy Scott
CSThe color of silver
I'm having way too much fun with CS. When I make it slow, it stays clear. When I make it fast, it turns yellow. When I mix it with tap water, it turns pink (or lavender). When I mix it with salt, it turns blue. When Frank makes it, it turns brown or grey. Is anyone else getting different colors? PS - I only use 99.99 silver and DW - no additives. Andy (^_^)
Re: CSGrain of Wheat Lamp
Here is a source for the illusive 24 volt, 40 ma light bulbs. As we all know, a resistor won't glow bright enough to warn you of a potential problem until it eventually fails. These lamps will not fail, even if your CS does. A HREF=http://www.acksupply.com/catalog/lamps.pdf; http://www.acksupply.com/catalog/lamps.pdf/A From: Mike Monett Hey Guys, it is not necessary to use a grain of wheat lamp. The purpose is to limit the current when the electrodes are shorted. Alkalines can be damaged or explode if they are short-circuited. The lamp is rated at 24V. It will burn out quickly if operated continuously at 27V. The lamp is rated at 40 mA. This is far too high to serve as a current indicator while making cs. So you really don't need to spend time looking for this bulb. A simple series resistor will do the same thing. You can take an old radio apart and find lots of them. If you want to duplicate the results of the 3 nines setup, look for a value around 100 ohms. If you want to try making cs with the ULVDC method, look for a 33k resistor. The value is not critical. Best Regards, Mike Monett
CSOT-Re: Body Balance, SeaSilver
Hi Maryanne, Unfortunately you didn't supply links to your sources so I had to find them. They all list what are supposed to be wonderful ingredients but they don't list the amounts. Why? Because they don't have to. That is the problem. You mentioned that you get what you pay for. I would rather pay less and get the actual ingredients listed on the label then pay the long buck to see contains Garbanzo Beans, Red Lentil, etc. I couldn't find the Supplement Facts on any of the web sites for your products or the actual amount of any of the ingredients. You said look it up yourself or ask! so I am asking... What's up with that? As always - I check the OT list for things like this that are Off Topic. Best wishes, Andy From: Pow-Map I personally use Garden of Life, which is amazing but there are others...Standard Process, Solgar, even Now, etc... Believe me... look at the back of a bottle of vit/min from Walmarts or K-marts and compare to one of the companies I mentioned. If you know anything about vit/min you'll know the difference-if you don't... look it up yourself or ask! By the way, the old saying goes...'you get what you pay for.' By the way, I don't know what companies your talking about that don't tell you what's in their product. At our store, we carry only companies that list their products in code with the 'Supplement Facts' that is required to be put on the label-by law. We have a couple of companies that don't put this on their label and I don't usually recommend those. Again this is off the topic of CS, so I will drop this. But I just had to respond to your comment. Andy, your much better off buying a high quality, whole food source multiple/mineral than getting something at the drug store-probably made by a pharmaceutical company. Good luck, Maryanne
Re: CS H2O2, ag(+), NaCl
Well, hell. Now I will have to take back the free plug and just assume you are dumping salt into it. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) From: Frank Key Aha! Now we know more about the mysterious mesoprocess then we did before. Sorry, Andy. The description was not for the Mesoprocess, it was for the ITOP (Ion To Particle conversion process) which was developed along the way. ITOP make particles down to the 2-5 nm range. ITOP is not used to produce our current products which have sub-nanometer particles. frank key Aha! Now we know more about the mysterious mesoprocess then we did before. Soon the Japanese will be reverse engineering the process and selling it for pennies on the gallon. Either way, it's a free plug. A HREF=http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com/;http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com//A Andy (^_^) From: Frank Key No. We were not measuring Coulombs. We were measuring peak power in tens of kilowatts and average power in hundreds of watts along with pulse width in ns/us, pulse repetition rates, peak pulse voltage in kilovolts. From the raw data one could determine Coulombs, but we did not bother to do so. frank key
Re: CS H2O2, ag(+), NaCl
Aha! Now we know more about the mysterious mesoprocess then we did before. Soon the Japanese will be reverse engineering the process and selling it for pennies on the gallon. Either way, it's a free plug. A HREF=http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com/; http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com//A Andy (^_^) From: Frank Key No. We were not measuring Coulombs. We were measuring peak power in tens of kilowatts and average power in hundreds of watts along with pulse width in ns/us, pulse repetition rates, peak pulse voltage in kilovolts. From the raw data one could determine Coulombs, but we did not bother to do so. frank key
CSOT-Re: Body Balance, SeaSilver
Dear Jack, If you check the posts I have made to this thread you will see that I have been trying to take it to the off topic list. By the way, what is your agenda? Warmest regards, Andy xoxo From: Jack Dayton Andy, take this ridiculous diatribe to the Off Topic List if you think anyone really believes a thing you write. I can't guess why you are grinding this axe, but it sure doesn't belong on the silver list. Jack
CSOT-Re: Body Balance, SeaSilver
Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the response. I know of the report you are talking about. It's a quote from U.S. Senate Document 264. It's a reprint of an opinion that originally appeared in the June 1936 issue of Cosmopolitan magazine and was placed into the Congressional record by a Florida senator. Anyhow, I live in an agricultural area and I agree that most of the farmland has probably been farmed out. It may look like spinach but it contains the nutrients of cardboard. The point that I was trying to make, is that it's my opinion that most of the dietary supplements on the market today are garbage. The people that are marketing this stuff are sleaze-bags. They try to get others to do their dirty work. Sell enough of this crap to your family and friends and you will get yours free! Eating expensive pills or drinking swill that contains a little bit of cru nched up shale, kelp, seaweed or coral isn't the answer. I think one would be better off buying a multivitamin/multimineral supplement from Wallgreens or K-Mart. It's a hell of a lot cheaper and at least they tell you what's in it. Then again, you can always eat some dirt or drink a little sea water (at least it's fresh!) I think the real problem is that people are over breeding and using up the worlds resources. I try to check the OT list once a day if you want to follow up on this. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) From: Pow-Map Andy, If you rely on the government to give us our dietary guidelines, I pity you and your family. Mineral depletion was proven back in 1930's (You can look that up) and unless you eat over 5-6 pounds of high quality fresh fruits, veggies, nuts and protein daily-your not getting even RDA standards. Look at the back of a bag of animal food-there are more vitamins and minerals than there are in human food. My brother is a vet and doesn't get into any of this 'heath' stuff and has even told me they put those in there so the animals DON'T get sick. I'm not trying to be rude and this has nothing to do with CS but you should seriously do some research and be a little more open minded- just for the sake of your own health. PS I'm not selling a darn thing!
CSOT-Re: Body Balance, SeaSilver
I wonder what the analysis would show from of a spoon full of dirt from your back yard or from some ocean water? These supplements are a rip off. If you eat right, you don't need any of this crap. If you don't eat right, you still don't need any of this crap. If you sell this crap, you're in a pyramid scheme and you are making a buck or two by burning your family and friends. To promote it without making a buck seems really dumb. To rip off your family and friends seems even dumber. Anyhow, since dietary supplements are off topic - Flame me on the OT list. Flame suit on Andy (^_^) From: Duncan Crow I had a look at body balance but didn't find an analysis; Here's the analysis for Kona Gold from Integris A HREF=http://integriscorp.com/corporate/products/product_kona_gold.asp;http://integriscorp.com/corporate/products/product_kona_gold.asp/A I expect the other sea floor minerals will be similar. This is also a natural product, from decayed phytoplankton, similar enough to the humic shale from Rockland mines, but notably absent are lead, mercury, cadmium, arsenic... Duncan Hello, Frank-- Body Balance remains the best, most comprehensive, food-form source o fdietary minerals I know of (especially since the FDA quashed its only quasi-competitor, SeaSilver). BB is a good-tasting liquid made from 9 varieties of sea vegetation, aloe, acerola cherry juice honey. Most people experience some health enhancement within a week (my mom stopped needing an afternoon nap from the *first* day!).
CSOT - Salmonella Comment
We don't want to wait until next time. We are recalling him now (^_^) A HREF=http://www.recallgraydavis.com;http://www.recallgraydavis.com/A Andy From: Jack Dayton Vote the power base out next time if possible. Jack
CSRe: Cirrhosis of the Liver
Do it. She may never be up to speed but it will slow down the progression. Best wishes to your friend. Andy From: Charles Sutton My sickly acquaintance list grows: I now know someone just diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver. The doctors told her the only cure is transplant. Does anyone know something about this?? I make CS a gallon at a time, if it will help I will be able to provide it until she is up to speed making her own. Thanks for any advise..
CSCS for pools
From: Linda Kaye Coombs Hi there, anybody know about CS for pools ? I was Wondering if a little electricity in the water [done ever so carefully, of course] would kill algae. Any suggestions, it's a long hot summer here in Texas ! LC First you get a couple of really big pieces of silver, then you get an arc welder Oh yeah, make sure no one is in the pool first. (^_^)
CSOT-Existent energy?
Yeah, this is nothing new. We used to do it back in the crystal radio days. If you string up a long run of antenna wire and connect it through a resistor to ground you will pick up some RF energy. If you replace the resistor with a coil of wire in parallel with a capacitor and tap the antenna side with a germanium diode you can get some DC current. It's basically just picking up broad band RF transmissions through inductance from local transmitting stations. The problem is that there isn't enough juice produced to do anything with it except run a crystal radio with a 200K ohm headphone. Art Bell is fun. I'm sure he will hype it up good. I thought he was off the air again and George Noory was hosting the show now. Please post all comments about the damn Jews running the media to the OT list. Thanks. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) CSExistant energy? From: jrowland [Thread change; was CSAnswer to Catherine, warning to Mike Monett] If you find a way, let me know, I could use a free energy machine. ---Marshall There is no such thing as a free lunch. ---David Maybe some definitive answers will come Friday night: A HREF=http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/m2642.html;http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/m2642.html/A jr
CSOT-Re: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Hey Ken, Aren't you supposed to validate this post by saying something about CS? Happy birthday to someone and congratulations to someone else on their new grandbaby! Best wishes, Andy (^_^) From: Ode Coyote It's the tyranny of the masses that gives us things like witch hunts and lynchings on scales both small and huge. Democracy may be the best system of government we've found so far, but that doesn't mean it's a good one. snip And it goes on and on and on
Re: CSstirring motors
The second hand movement from a cheap clock motor works real well. It's cheap, It runs on one AA battery continually for over a year, It fits nicely anywhere, It's easy to hook up and it's a stepping motor, not a linear one. Works for me. Andy From: Ode Coyote The simplest way to control that motor is to use a single D cell to run it and a heafty pot to control the speed. [wire wound?] Dropping 27 volts down to about .5 volts so the motor will run slow enough dissipates a lot of heat and will kill your nines off in a hurry for no reason and toast most potentiometers. Flat wide motors have more torque at the lower speeds. Grab one out of an old CD rom drive. You'll want to run it very slowly to prevent silver/hydrogen bubble deposit buildups [the dread grey fuzzies] and the formation of 'chunks and sparklies'. The best way is to get a $$$ pulse width modulation device. Where? I dunno. Ode
RE: CSCataracts
Sorry James, what I ment to say was Sodium Hypochlorite. From: James Holmes Not being picky, but with concern for those with little chemistry knowledge: sodium hydroxide is a strong base, and the polar opposite of an acid
CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations
Hi Mike, I don't really care about exploding batteries or how to keep it simple unless the list owner is going to post videos of exploding batteries and fist fights amongst the members. I might even pay extra for that. (^_^) Anyhow, in your recent post, you suggested a W shaped electrode and a small drinking glass. I was thinking of a quart mason jar. Something that would be better equipped to take a U shaped electrode. I'm thinking that the shape doesn't matter as long as the surface area and the spacing are the same. You also mentioned that the spacing between the electrodes doesn't matter that much. Without agitation of the water, isn't the concentration of silver between the electrodes going to be much higher then behind them? I've got the variable voltage, current limiting power supplies and 5 1/2 digit HP DVMs that I use at home. I'm just trying to put together something for a simple person. No meters, no salt test, just make the stuff and drink it. I was thinking of spacing the two U shaped electrodes at about 1 1/2 inches apart. I can hook it up to batteries or a wall transformer. I can put a resistor in series or just tell them it's ready when the electordes turn black. I just need to keep this simple. What do you think? Thanks for your time. Andy (^_^) From: Mike Monett Hi Andy, Well, since you ask, here's my recommendation.
CSRe: Cataracts
Dear Jack, Please don't ask my advice about supplements. My advice would be Don't take them, you probably don't need them. I doubt that is the kind of advice you would want to hear. Best regards, Andy (^_^) From: Jack Dayton I'll remember never to ask your advice about suppliments. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Jack
CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations
Hi Mike, Thanks for the response. Regarding your mold problems - MOVE. Go to Phoenix or somewhere like that. Mold gets into the attic, under the baseboards, behind the walls and everywhere. You will never get rid of it. A few years ago, I moved out of a mold infested environment and it made a big difference in my health. I would probably be dead if I stayed there. A nice hot summer won't get rid of it. Anyhow, back to CS (or EIS as Ole Bob likes to call it). The reason that I don't want to spend all day making a glassful at a time is because I have a chronic, active, autoimmune virus and I live an abusive life style. I don't sip a teaspoon at a time when I feel a cold coming on. I make it as strong as I can and try to do 4 to 8 oz. a day. Every day. The person that I'm making the generator for has different stuff going on but of about the same magnitude. That's why I'm thinking of a quart mason jar. If you have to make it every other day, eventually you won't. So to rehash: One quart production in about 6 to 10 hours. 3 feet of 12 ga. wire to work with. Probably a resistor for current limit. Stirring can be added later. 9V battery stack or 12VDC wall transformer. Plastic lid and hot glue. I can tell them an approximate run time or I can tell them to shut it off when the electrodes turn black. Any more than that would be rocket science. What do you think? Andy From: Mike Monett CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations From: AScottSilver Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:31:40 Hi Mike, Hi Andy, [...] Anyhow, in your recent post, you suggested a W shaped electrode and a small drinking glass. I was thinking of a quart mason jar. Something that would be better equipped to take a U shaped electrode. I'm thinking that the shape doesn't matter as long as the surface area and the spacing are the same. I think you are right - the wetted area is what counts, and a shape similar to a W gets the most wetted area in the smallest space. Of course, you could fold it more times. But why do you want to make so much? You only need a little if it's done right. A quart would take a long time to make at these currents. You also mentioned that the spacing between the electrodes doesn't matter that much. Without agitation of the water, isn't the concentration of silver between the electrodes going to be much higher then behind them? When the production rate of ions is very slow, they have more chance to disperse through normal diffusion, and have less tendency to crowd and form particles. Diffusion is the effect you see when you put a drop of ink in water. Pretty soon, the water is a uniform shade. The ions do the same thing. With a long brew time, the natural changes in room temperature set up slow convection currents. These also help disperse the ions. I believe Ken or Robert mentioned this some time ago. I've got the variable voltage, current limiting power supplies and 5 1/2 digit HP DVMs that I use at home. I'm just trying to put together something for a simple person. No meters, no salt test, How are you going to verify your results and tell when you are going in the right direction? Without some kind of test, you are working in the dark and just wasting your time. The salt test is cheap and never goes out of calibration. There are only two indications that are important: A pale blue dispersion indicates ions are present, but at low concentration. From what I can gather, the ppm may be around 10 or so. This is typical of the results you get running at high current density. This seems to work well on bacteria. When you see white clouds growing from the bottom with wisps going off in different directions, the concentration is quite good. I estimate the ppm to be a bit less than 20 on my system. This seems to work well on viruses. Once you try this you will see how easy it is to tell good from bad. just make the stuff and drink it. I was thinking of spacing the two U shaped electrodes at about 1 1/2 inches apart. I can hook it up to batteries or a wall transformer. I can put a resistor in series or just tell them it's ready when the electordes turn black. I just need to keep this simple. What do you think? Please put a resistor in series. Whether you are using a wall transformer or batteries. Short circuits are such a bad idea. If that is all you need, then go for it. But unless you are able to test the result, you really don't have any idea what is happening. You will end up asking everyone what went wrong. They won't be able to help you, since they will not understand your process. I would not respond to such ill-formed questions. Let some else do it. I considered using a wall transformer with the simple cs generator. The problem is they are not designed to run
CSRe: Long, Boring - Calculations
Hi Mike, I'll give it a try and see what happens. I started out with CPM and had to adapt to DOS. (Remember DR DOS?) Before that, I used to throw toggle switches to load the accumulator, compiler and registers. Those were the good days of magnetic core memory and paper tape readers. Anyhow, I better keep this on topic. I've got about 3 feet of - 12 ga. wire and I want to build a simple CS generator for someone. This is an AutoCAD person so I have to keep it simple. I'll obviously be using something less than 3 feet of wire in the vessel to allow for headroom and a connection area. Any suggestions from you or anyone else on the list regarding current limit, brew vessel size, wire spacing, etc., would be appreciated. Best regards, Andy From: AScottSilver Hi Mike, If I boot up a Win 98 OS in DOS will mercury work? I've noticed that some of the real DOS commands are missing when I do this? Andy Hi Andy, I don't know for certain - it might even run in a DOS box. If not, there are plenty of free equation solvers on the web. I don't use the latest Windows software so I can't tell you how good they are. I may not be able to answer any questions about the Windows versions, but I'll do my best to try to help. These are wonderful programs. Best Regards, Mike Monett
Re: CSCataracts
Hi Marv, It's my understanding that flaxseed oil and linseed oil are the same thing. You can spend the long buck and buy flaxseed oil at the health food store or you can buy the same exact thing at the hardware store for a hell of a lot less. DMSO is like that. Health food store vs. feed store = big markup. It's all marketing. I'm sure this won't make me very popular with some folks on the list but, Oh well. The next time you are at the grocery store, look at Tilex. It is watered down bleach (sodium hypochloride). At the hardware store, look at JASCO driveway cleaners. It's watered down swimming pool acid (sodium hydroxide). I think there are only about a dozzen or so chemicals that the public are allowed to buy and they are sold under hundreds if not thousands of different trade names. There are probably issues about purity, but consider the source. Most of the stuff out there comes from the same vat. It has water and die added to it and a new smaller container and a very expensive lable. Best wishes, Andy From: Marv Hacker Hi, Brickey, I gather that you actually used linseed oil. I do not know much about these oils. Are you saying that: + flaxseed oil would be preferred, + either oil would work fine, + or that the two oils are actually the same. Thanks, :) Marv
CSRE: Seasilver claims
Hi James, They were very careful to say Reduces Risk of Cancer on their web site. A HREF=http://web.archive.org/web/2818011354/www.seasilver.com/major.asp;http://web.archive.org/web/2818011354/www.seasilver.com/major.asp/A The testimonials are pretty outrageous. Of course they don't list any way to contact the individuals who supplied the success stories. I don't have time to go through all of them to specifically look for references to Aids and Cancer but I did see one or two. A HREF=http://web.archive.org/web/20020529031306/http://seasilver.com/;http://web.archive.org/web/20020529031306/http://seasilver.com//A Best regards, ADS From: James Holmes Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:18:02 How about a look in the horses mouth: If anyone has a copy of SS literature that claims SS cures AIDS or CA, please direct it to my attention. JOH
CSOT - Re: CS Long, Boring - Calculations
Hi Mike, If I boot up a Win 98 OS in DOS will mercury work? I've noticed that some of the real DOS commands are missing when I do this? Andy From: Mike Monett A few have expressed surprise at my dependance on and faith in calculations. They apparently do not need math in their profession.
CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
Dear Mr. Holmes, Why worry about defending the compound against a raid on the drug manufacturing and distribution operations when a simple act like changing the label and stopping the absurd advertising practices might work even better? PS - Please accept my apologies for second guessing your sarcasm. Best Regards, Andrew Scott From: James Holmes Message Dear Mr. ADS(the 1st) I did not intend to be sarcastic. You would think that they would have had time to prevent the raid in that period of time, unless they thought they had done enough to comply and were misled. Strange scene; perhaps we will learn more soon. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver Dear Mr. Holmes, While I appreciate your sarcasm, I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? Regards, ADS (the 1st) From: James Holmes OHthat's quite different. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change their labeling and advertising practices before they came down on them. Andy
CSRe:CSBoring List
We will miss you Marshalee. Andy (^_^)
CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
Dear Mr. Holmes, While I appreciate your sarcasm, I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? Regards, ADS (the 1st) From: James Holmes OHthat's quite different. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change their labeling and advertising practices before they came down on them. Andy
