Re: CSchlorine and goverment
politicians follow the money. the money buys votes. the money comes from corporations, lobbying groups, developers, and anyone else that will pay them. they take that money and buy spin doctors and analysts to tell them what to say to get elected in the demographics of their area. what does the average person know about the complexity of issues, running a goverment, democracy, history, etc.? speaking for americans, the answer is NOTHING. very few people come to vote with anything but a bias created by spin doctors and the media. so, the chlorine people have gotten inroads in the goverment and the goverment wants to follow the money. the money is largely centered on the USA. canada wants to use graft and chemicals the modern way. don't forget to tell them about floridation. On Jan 7, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Louise wrote: Well here in Ontario the government has decided that our wells should have chlorine added I moved out to the country to avoid chlorine (they have been adding chloramines here in the water in Ottawa water treatment for years, I remind people that it kills fish and they drink it!!! But now they are going to insist even organic gardeners add chlorine to their wells to wash their veggies before selling. But I am chlorine intolerant so that will not be good for me. Hey if I wash anything in Chlorine even 14 washes later in plain water and tolerated soap I can still smell it. So I do not use it to wash my clothes with for sure or anything else. I use CS for just about anything that needs disinfecting for sure. The farmers are up in arms about their touching their wells, but with this government I can see them pushing this thought. I believe they do want us to be sicker and sicker with the lowering of vitamins, more and more additives and more drugs used for every little ache and pain. Flue vaccines for everyone and vaccinating babies just days old!!! for an illness they could test if the mother has in the first place. Wonder why there is so much chronic illness, you do not have to wonder anymore the government is great at seeing that you have all the best additives and vaccines out there to make sure you have a LOT of chronic illness. Louise -Original Message- From: himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSwater, water, everywhere Hi people, snip Chlorine is another major toxin (it used to be employed as a chemical weapon, in fact) that the bureaucrats are pumping into our water in the name of our health. Supposedly, chlorine keeps water supplies clean and free of many harmful bacteria. While this may well be the case in swimming pools, in the aging pipes and pumping stations most of our country uses to disperse public water, this harmless chemical can interact with small quantities of organic matter to produce some really nasty toxins — including carcinogens chloroform and DCA (dichloro-acedic acid). I know — you've heard all of this from me before. But here's something you likely haven't heard: Some municipalities in the U.S. are starting to realize that chlorine's byproducts are a health hazard, and are implementing alternatives for water treatment... Hooray, right? snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBest method to get CS past the blood/brain barrier?
i believe that silver is not supposed to cross the blood/brain barrier as it has been called toxic. certainly adding a little dmso to silver will allow it to penetrate deeper if that is possible. On Jan 6, 2005, at 1:09 PM, fl...@aol.com wrote: Hello All, I finally got a CS generator (Silverpuppy) and need input as far as the best method to get CS past the blood/brain barrier? Thanks From N.E. Oklahoma, Dana
Re: CSCS killing fungus was Lyme disease
add small amounts of DMSO. this has had tremendous advantages for sinus problems in general. it may help. On Dec 16, 2004, at 5:24 PM, sol wrote: How did you have it diagnosed? Cultured? sol Paul Holloway wrote: I have aspergillus fumigatus in my sinuses, and despite rinsing and spraying with CS several times a day, it hasn't killed it. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS killing fungus was Lyme disease
i highly suggest you send a letter of support for this man in jail. On Dec 17, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Paul Holloway wrote: It hasn't touched my aspergillus. I have nebulized, sprayed, rinsed, flooded and soaked my sinuses with varying strengths and type of CS, and every time I rinse, more fungus comes out. I have also tried ozone, many essential oils, Sporanox, Diflucan, infra-red. This stuff is very hard to kill. I have heard of people burning down a house when they have aspergillus infecting it, as nothing else will kill it. The only thing that helped was a magnetic multipulser (5kHz oscillating output) that I bought from Jaguar Enterprises, but it broke, and when I sent it back for repair, the owner was jailed for making medical claims for his devices, so I am sick again. Thanks FTC. So, don't buy anything from Jaguar until he is out of jail. A friend of mine is building a similar device, which I hope will work as well. Paul H - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: Re: CSCS killing fungus was Lyme disease CS will kill any non spore producing bacterium. [A quote from some study somwhere] Really, It will kill the bacterium but not the spores. Inhaled antrax would probably be cured only if CS were nebulized several times a day for many many days to give all the spores a chance to hatch out and die before making more spoors. Fungi produces spoors too and CS doesn't likely kill the spoors. If any fungus OR spores escape destruction, it will be back. ode At 03:24 PM 12/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: How did you have it diagnosed? Cultured? sol Paul Holloway wrote: I have aspergillus fumigatus in my sinuses, and despite rinsing and spraying with CS several times a day, it hasn't killed it. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release Date: 12/15/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release Date: 12/15/2004
Re: CSlyme disease
lyme is indeed slow reproducing and it hides and goes dormant. treatment for chronic lyme takes years. you cannot kill all the forms the lyme bacteria takes, you must be treating when they activate. treating lyme requires a whole lifestyle assault. as far as therapeutic doses of CS: 1)you are going to need so much (over time) if you have lyme that you need to make it yourself. this is cheaper AND better. 2)the amount you take of CS is totally related to your lifestyle and ability to do it on an empty stomach. i highly recommend an empty stomach. 3)i do not recommend chugging doses of CS, like some of our posters here. that is certainly a recipe for turning blue. i believe CS is effective in just ounce-type doses if one does it on an empty stomach and swishes it in ones mouth to start the process of assimilation. CS is an antibiotic, not a drink. more CS means more dosing times, not chugging it. i believe the body intelligently uses some of the CS ions to kill pathogens. i believe this is an intelligent active process and smaller amounts more frequently help this process. 4)my experience and other posters experience is that CS IS a very effective antibiotic for lyme. HOW you use it for lyme has not been quantified or qualified, but we have all had different experiences here. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: vinegar GENUINE LEMONS
i doubt i have ever found anything canned or bottled equivalent to fresh. in orange juice i have found fresh orange juice contains enzymes and properties not in any other form of orange juice. i am sure it is the same with lemon juice. On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Louise wrote: Yes they are preservatives. For the best effect use a fresh lemon it will help alkalinize your body and give you an energy boost. 1/2 to a whole lemon squeezed to a class of water. quite sour tasting but what a boost. Helps the pH and vitamins to boot. To start add less lemon and a little real maple syrup (also alkaline, or organic unbleached sugar) now slowly add less sugar and more lemon till you have only lemon and water as this is the most beneficial. Louise On 12/14/2004 8:11:02 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: winmail.dat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSto richard harris, marshall, silver lyme etc
as marshall points out, both lyme and candida absolutely love sugar. this is an extremely important point in treatment and improving your symptoms. i can't say if some other sweeteners are more tolerable. perhaps someone with direct experience could say this. not sick. Richard...I'll look up gatorade, thanx. It probably has sugar in it, and I wonder if the sugar helps push the CS into the cells? I don't do well with any sugar, both lyme and candida like it too much. If there is a sugarless version or it doesn't have sugar I will definitely try it.
Re: CSsilvergen/adrian
On Dec 13, 2004, at 8:51 PM, bailar wrote: LOL...too much to respond to Adrian. Western medicine messed me up as a teen with a mouthful of mercury fillings after braces were removed, antibiotics given for chronic dog allergies, cortisone, and hormones. Definitely set me off on the wrong course. **understood, americans are mostly dying today from the same treatment and corporate food offerings that will kill you and disable you much sooner than traditional food. However, I eat organic, not junk. You have to consider genetics with lyme or even candida. There is a genetic bellcurve, molecular mimicry, certain HLA subtypes are known to do badly with lyme. By molecular mimicry I am noting that each immune system is calibrated differently, and sometimes the protein coats of pathogens are too close to our own proteins, leading to a more sustained inflammatory response or even attack against our own system even if the pathogen is around in low #'s. So for such a person you have to really eliminate that pathogen. It isn't simply an immune system failure. Also I think the bug/s out there, tickborne bugs, some were bioengineered for greater virulence. You see people with lyme getting ALS, early dementia, just totally crashing and being destroyed--it didnt use to be like that. **yeah, here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060011416/ qid=1103045281/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8932613-7047868?v=glances=books I took 6 weeks of antibiotics at the beginning 4 1/2 years ago (bullseye rash, high positives on tests etc). Gave up on antibiotics and don't regret it and won't take them. Use a home hyperbaric chamber it helps a lot. About once or twice a week. Gingerly use ozone (dieoff). Have an ozone sauna. I think tetrasilver would do the trick if you didn't die from the runaway TNF/effects of a massive herxheimer. That is one of my concerns, but I plan to try and track down Antelman if I can, when I have some time. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater distiller brand, was Re: CS
**it's very simple, nina. the filters are made of particles and some of these enter the water. however, the rest of the filter is removing contaminants. some people suggest filtering the water BEFORE distilling. Thanks for elaborating, Sol. I'm still puzzled by how filtering water could cause MORE particulates to get into it, when the definition of filtering is to REMOVE contaminants. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS- good flora and personal uses
my experience is drinking up to four ounces of cs at a time, swishing each mouthful for 5 seconds or so, and doing it on an empty stomach will not mess up your bacteria in your intestine. gulping large quantities of cs or having it with food may be an issue for some depending on the situation. i always do cs on an empty stomach. i believe some of it is absorbed in the mouth and the rest in the stomach. i am told the first intestine -the small intestine- does not contain beneficial flora so even if some reaches there there is still no problem. as far as nebulizing cs, i would be suprised if it effected the intestinal flora. seems like the LAST place it will effect. use it in a reasonable way and cs is a superb antibiotic. don't forget to spray it in ones eyes and hands when you are afraid of contracting the flu or cold at parties, during airport travel, etc.. also you can use it as a general disinfectant by spraying on doorknobs, counters, etc.. using it with dmso i quickly cured a gum absess in 12 hours. i use cs generally as a mouthwash and for tooth brushing a number of times a week. On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Judydownmaine wrote: I learned years ago on this list that to avoid damaging flora you simply drink the CS on an empty stomach which seemed to be about a half-hour before eating. Or even a half-hour after you've finished eating. This way the CS goes straight into your system and doesn't get as far as the intestines Has this advice changed? Judy Down Maine -Original Message- From: Yogiboy [mailto:epa...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAir Compressor Oh one more thing…Good Flora, is needed for the body to maintain proper functioning and good digestion so if you take CS make sure you get something to offset the loss of good Flora. Any good pro biotic will do. ( Bio-K , yogurt ) -Original Message- From: Lea Ann [mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAir Compressor Hello, Does anyone have suggestions about where I can go for information on how to nebulise safely and information on whether or not the nebuliser my kids used for Asthma medication is sufficient? Best Regards, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL 321-773-7088 - Original Message - From: Lea Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Re: CSAir Compressor Hello, I have one of these: http://www.nidekmedical.com/pulmo.htm that was prescribed for my kids to deliver their asthma medicine... would this work for CS? I am very new to the area of CS and actually fear nebulising it as I read a report where nebulized CS caused someone to not be able to breath (I assume it killed so many bugs so quickly that the lungs filled up with dead pus?) But I was hoping that as I gained knowledge and knew how to control the dose and when and when NOT to use nebulised CS that I might try it sometime... in that case, I was hoping that my kids nebuliser would work. Can someone explain to me how oxygen plays into this? (sorry for my ignorance) Best Regards, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL 321-773-7088
Re: CSCS good bad stomach bacteria
in your case the volume of gatorade with the cs and the quantity of cs mixed liquid is indeed overloading your system. some of the cs is getting to the colon i would guess. cs is not gatorade. it is a supplement and antibiotic. used in smaller amounts, swished in the mouth for ten seconds, and done on an empty stomach, cs should not effect the bacteria in your colon in any significant way. cs is not a drink, it is a very effective antibiotic against many viruses and infections. properly homemade cs is as effective -or more- than any store products i know of. On Nov 26, 2004, at 9:05 PM, David S Osborne wrote: Thanks for that info, sol: but I wonder about the conclusion, that the cs doesn't have a whole lot of impact in the colon. This is from my own 'labwork', my own body. I am semi-retired; drive a school bus about 4 hrs per weekday; I didn't keep any records, but starting around the first of this year, I was ingesting about a gal. of cs/gatorade [i'd sa 'atleast'], the mix being APPROX 3qts Gatora, 1qt cs [6-8ppm ish]. After 3 to 4 weeks of being quite regular with it, I realized my eliminations had become quite loose and herx like; my sense was that the good flora was being killed off; that my digestion was not being complete. I stopped the cs, continued with the GA, did acidophilus caps big-time, and after several days, my digestion/system seemed to balance out, the stool returned to what's normal for me. I'm sad that I didn't keep a log on all this 'cause I am to the age where 'senior moments' are main events and I am sure I've lost some important detail to my experimentation. but my sense is the cs did get to the intestinal flora and [in tech. terms] screwed up that part of my digestive process. I am still a big-time GA chugger and I plan to add the cs back again in a while and I will try to keep better data. .comments anyone?? davido On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:48:53 -0700 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: http://library.thinkquest.org/22016/digestion/?tqskip1=1 http://distance.stcc.edu/BIOL102/Lectures/lesson13/humandig.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion http://www.framingham.edu/faculty/mcarrol/fall2001concepts_files/ digestion.htm In addition my basic family medical guide says the normal intestinal flora in the human intestines are found in the colon, not in the stomach or small intestines. Thus there are NO good bacteria in a human stomach. So nothing for CS to hurt. In the colon the water content of the food remains is removed and absorbed, thus the colon contents are relatively dry, so CS is not able to be very active there at all. If one accepts the Altman study as reperesentative of how CS is excreted in most humans, little CS exits the body through the feces so it is extremely unlikely that CS could harm the colon's normal flora. sol twllLL wrote: This article claims too much CS kills off good bacteria in the stomach.He also mentions the libertarian turning blue,but doesn't go into detail about ionic or non ionic CS. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2002/ea_021114.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS garnet needs therapy
hi i think garnet should see a therapist for emotional problems. garnet can have her say and nenah can have her say. but this argument is helping no one. On Nov 24, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Garnet wrote: On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:43, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:11 AM Subject: CS Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. I know what poisonous means, Garnet. Ozone is not poisonous. That is a totally irresponsible statement in light of the many studies documenting injurious effects of pure ozone. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that the olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, do you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it is an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use assayed numbered batches? This is a spurious argument. If I spent my time getting substances assayed, I wouldn't be living. I am satisfied that the substances I'm using with ozone are pure. That is an often used and very convenient evasion Nenah, but simply what I expect of those in your position to make money by putting a disinformation spin on their products. Ozone may scavenge toxins but it also produces toxins. What are the amounts that you consider proper Nenah. Do you even know the ppm of the treatments you administer? Or what blood levels they produce? If not then you are treading on very risky ground. There are settings on my units. I don't have the ppm conversion chart handy at the moment. See above. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago Absolutely not true Nenah, there are many studies since the 50's that demonstrate toxic effects of pure ozone. See this is what I mean by practitioners who take someone else's word for the safety of a practice without actually doing their own checking -- you have simply demonstrated my point very well. And so I have medical references for the opposite. What does that prove? It proves that you follow your sources and I follow mine. I use ozone and get positive results and you do not use it because you follow your sources. It proves that the research you base your statements on is not supported by a consensus of the world's experts. Are your references published in peer reviewed journals? That is the difference between bona fide studies and simple publications. The sources one chooses to follow speaks to the quality and level of excellence and integrity one embodies. It was the ozone itself. Here is another reference that you can find in most medical libraries and many public libraries. What are the citations in your new book Nenah. I would certainly like to see their data! Can you provide those references please? I will provide ONE reference here. There are more in my book. www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk/nojavascript/therapies/ozone/safe.htm This article is not referenced and provides no data. It is worthless. It states:Interestingly the opponents Ozone therapy are in my experience always people or organisations who either have not actually investigated the merits of the therapy, or who have a vested interest in suppressing the therapy. As Anthony D'Angelo put it: -The people who oppose your ideas are inevitably those who represent the established order that your ideas will upset. Totally wrong in my case. I have investigated the therapy for over 7 years. I have no vested interest. And I am certainly not what anyone would label as establishment by any stretch of the imagination. Lung damage has been documented both acute and chronic. Again I have not said Ozone is not beneficial, just that it is risky and that the practioners must be well trained and able to verify what they are actually adminstering. The copyright date 2001 indicates it is quite up to date. The information is meticulously reviewed by a world renowed board of editors and specialists in their respective fields. This is the 10th edition of this standard reference work published over the past 64 years. Many experts who are considered standard reading in their field say that colloidal silver is bad for you but that doesn't make them right. The editors of Goodman and Gillmans are not self-appointed experts Nenah. They are world renowned and at the top of their respective fields. Has nothing to do with the disinformation spread by a few about CS.
Re: CSadvanced colloidal silver
uh, make your own with the silver puppy. last i looked around 100 bucks. have to buy distilled water. the stuff works against bacteria. hep c maybe. home made works like a charm. On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:46 AM, john joseph wrote: I have been buying cs from the advanced colloidal silver site.I have hepatitis c and what i have read on the site it is suppose to help people with hep c,my question is does this cs work i am at stage 3 or is it all a bunch of lies by a bunch of saleman.I need some help...John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
