CSRe: vinegar facts
Acetic acid is an organic chemical with the precise chemical formula. CH3COOH If it deviates from that formula, at all, it's not Acetic Acid...at all. Acetic Acid is Acetic Acid no matter where it comes from or how it's made. Milk is not a specific organic chemical. Any comparisons cannot hold water. The analogy was 'vinegar' - 'milk', NOT 'acetic acid' - 'milk'... But this must mean that you believe that petroleum based synthetic analogs of natural vitamins - since they are chemically identical - can/will provide the same benefit as the natural form - which has been proven to be totally false. If Acetic Acid is some sort of culprit and both vinegars have a 5% concentration, they will be equally harmful DUE TO ACETIC ACID CONTENT. Not true - which you actually point out below... This one cannot have harmful concentrations and that one not, if the concentrations are the same. True enough, as far as it goes - however, googling reveals numerous references suggesting that concentrations vary widely from what is claimed (both on the label and in marketing material). Now, other materials present might help protect from negative effects of Acetic Acid at a given concentration [ if there really are any] ..BUT..that deviates from the subject of harm from consuming -Acetic Acid- Again, true enough... *This* cannot be good and *that* bad, if they are exactly the same. That was my point. Just because distilled vinegar and raw apple cider vinegar both contain 5% acetic acid, doe *not* mean they are the same thing. This vinegar contains good Acetic Acid and that vinegar contains bad Acetic Acid, makes no sense at all. I agree - good thing thats not what I said (or meant). The only *rational* arguments possible are: What does Acetic Acid do, in what environment? No, since we aren't talking *specifically* about acetic acid, but about two very different forms of *vinegar*, the only rational argument possible is: what does each form of vinegar do, in what environment, and how do the behaviors *differ*? Unrefined apple vinegar and distilled vinegar may be different environments for the Acetic Acid , but that doesn't account for the other environments included when either is being used. True enough... but stand-alone pointless... For instance: At 5% Acetic Acid concentration and a given equal amount being consumed, is distilled vinegar consumed soon before or after drinking apple cider any different from apple cider vinegar? But of *course* they are different - since raw apple cider vinegar is *not* the same thing as 'apple cider' (is this raw, organic apple cider? or store bought crap?) + 'distilled vinegar', your comment is just as much 'stand alone nonsense' as Dr Walkers... But one thing is logically crystal clear: Dr Norman Walkers statement, taken as presented without further clarification, is -stand alone nonsense-. By ignorance, by carelessness, or by intentional attempts at propaganda.It's clearly illogical. While the precise chemical composition of acetic acid in each vinegar may be the same, their behaviors can be *very* different, due to the nature of the *rest* of the *remaining* *95%* of each. But I agree, his comment, with respect purely to acetic acid content, doesn't make a lot of sense, so I'll be digging out his book sometime this week when I have time and get the context. Until then, the rest of your comments are pure fantasy based on nothing but smoggy air, but feel free to continue, since you appear to be in love with listening to yourself speak... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: vinegar facts
From: Charles Marcus [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] wrote: then what in the hell are you doing on an alternative health list? Charles, In the same vein I ask you, What the hell are *you* doing on the Sliver List?... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: vinegar facts
Acetic acid is an organic chemical with the precise chemical formula. CH3COOH If it deviates from that formula, at all, it's not Acetic Acid...at all. Acetic Acid is Acetic Acid no matter where it comes from or how it's made. Milk is not a specific organic chemical. Any comparisons cannot hold water. If Acetic Acid is some sort of culprit and both vinegars have a 5% concentration, they will be equally harmful DUE TO ACETIC ACID CONTENT. This one cannot have harmful concentrations and that one not, if the concentrations are the same. Now, other materials present might help protect from negative effects of Acetic Acid at a given concentration [ if there really are any] ..BUT..that deviates from the subject of harm from consuming -Acetic Acid- Then people scream about two different things and that's irrational. [You are absolutely wrong about this because I'm talking about something else that's almost completely different. ] Also note that can be and is, are two completely different aminals. [vs ain't-inals ] If one thing can be, and the other is the exact same thing by precise definition of chemical formula, it also can be, but that doesn't mean that either is. *This* cannot be good and *that* bad, if they are exactly the same. This vinegar contains good Acetic Acid and that vinegar contains bad Acetic Acid, makes no sense at all. The only *rational* arguments possible are: What does Acetic Acid do, in what environment? Unrefined apple vinegar and distilled vinegar may be different environments for the Acetic Acid , but that doesn't account for the other environments included when either is being used. For instance: At 5% Acetic Acid concentration and a given equal amount being consumed, is distilled vinegar consumed soon before or after drinking apple cider any different from apple cider vinegar? When ALL environments vary and EVERY person is different in both make up and behaviors, I don't exactly expect that can be a rational discussion either. No one answer can possibly exist to argue about when buried under so many ignored questions. But one thing is logically crystal clear: Dr Norman Walkers statement, taken as presented without further clarification, is -stand alone nonsense-. By ignorance, by carelessness, or by intentional attempts at propaganda.It's clearly illogical. With further clarification, it's unlikely to be anything less than a mis-statement, or a flat out lie designed to twist your brains...or revealing how twisted Dr Walkers brain is to go around saying such idiotic things. There is a very popular and profitable sport called Phishing [for believers] People often alter their Phishing licenses by adding or mis-applying letters before and after their names. The statement has been misconstrued, by accident or design, but at least we can see that it has been strewed and involves some sort of con to be missed. So what could the statement really say? [if it is to make any sense ] Acetic Acid can destroy red blood corpuscles and interfere with the digestive process. It can also contribute to hardening in the liver (cirrhosis), as well as duodenal and other intestinal ulcers... *IF the concentration is high enough and enough is used over a long enough period of time*. ..if not, it can't. IT, being Acetic Acid present in ALL vinegars. What a harmful concentrations is and how much of that can be harmful, was left undefined. I rather suspect than no rational person will ever reach it with their running nose and watering eyes intact...never mind puking...regardless of the type and brand of vinegar. Therefore, Acetic Acid is a commonality, not the culprit it was 'made into' by calling the same thing, two different things. Distilled vinegar can have a higher concentration than undistilled, but if it doesn't, the statement is spurious and misleading. The culprits are concentration and volumes over time OF Acetic Acid...clearly NOT..Acetic Acid by itself, without qualification, in any carrier. If the concentration IS higher, you will use less for the same flavor effect and overall consumption of Acetic Acid is the same with the only difference being the amount of water consumed with it. In that context, the statement becomes spurious and misleading.and water can be deadly toxic. [if enough Acetic Acid is not present in it to prevent you from drinking too much of it without puking.] Try another context. If you are not consuming it, concentration is a matter for window washers and windows don't have livers or blood cells to damage. Ode [Here, have a TUMS ] At 10:30 AM 7/12/2007 -0400, you wrote: As for distilled vinegar - from Norman Walkers Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices: Your implication in this context is incorrect. It isn't 'my' implication, it is Dr. Norman Walkers - if you disagree, then go argue with him. The active ingredient in vinegar is acetic acid. Wrong. Acetic acid
Re: CSRe: vinegar facts
Chemistry and common sense, what a combination! Thanks! sol Ode Coyote wrote: Acetic acid is an organic chemical with the precise chemical formula. CH3COOH If it deviates from that formula, at all, it's not Acetic Acid...at all. But one thing is logically crystal clear: Dr Norman Walkers statement, taken as presented without further clarification, is -stand alone nonsense-. By ignorance, by carelessness, or by intentional attempts at propaganda.It's clearly illogical. With further clarification, it's unlikely to be anything less than a mis-statement, or a flat out lie designed to twist your brains...or revealing how twisted Dr Walkers brain is to go around saying such idiotic things. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: vinegar facts
## And who is it that doesn't dilute vinegar one way or another? [ie, no longer concentrated acetic acid ] and undistilled vinegar is something else that's not ascetic acid at the same concentration, regardless of what else may be in the water? Vinegar isn't pure acetic acid regardless of being distilled or not. Vinegar is a liquid produced from fermentation in a process that yields its key ingredient, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acidacetic acid. The acetic acid concentration ranges typically from 4 to 8 percent by volume for table vinegar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinegar#_note-0[1] (typically 5%) and higher concentrations for pickling (up to 18%) although in some countries the minimum strength may be less. ### This may be where the vinegar is made from petroleum thing comes from, the error being... equating acetic acid [the industrial chemical reagent] to vinegar [the food that *contains* some acetic acid but is highly unlikely to be the industrial chemical diluted and sold as food as, if for no other reason, taking steps out of the process makes it cheaper than producing a reagent grade chemical, then diluting it. However, used as a flavoring on dry goods such as potato chips may *possibly* make using the crystalline reagent cheaper by taking a drying step out of that process...except...the drying step is probably already part of the chip making process. ] IOW Despite commonalities, Vinegar and Acetic Acid are not quite the same things. Incidentally: In the old days when wood alcohol [methanol] was made by condensing the gasses produced by carbonizing wood, wood vinegar was a byproduct. Distillation isn't just about water and the water soluble, it covers a host of vapors and refinery tech. Mixing similar terms between industries tends to confuse people. Acetic acid is one of the simplest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboxylic_acidcarboxylic acids (the second-simplest, next to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formic_acidformic acid). It is an important http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagentchemical reagent and industrial chemical that is used in the production of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalatepolyethylene terephthalate mainly used in soft drink bottles; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetatecellulose acetate, mainly for photographic film; and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_acetatepolyvinyl acetate for wood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhesiveglue, as well as many synthetic fibres and fabrics. In households diluted acetic acid is often used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descaling_agentdescaling agents. In the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_industryfood industry acetic acid is used under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_numberfood additive code E260 as an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidity_regulatoracidity regulator. The global demand of acetic acid is around 6.5 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnetonnes per year (Mt/a), of which approximately 1.5 Mt/a is met by recycling; the remainder is manufactured from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrochemistrypetrochemical feedstocks or from biological sources. Ode At 12:27 PM 7/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: You wrote: -Original Message- From: Charles Marcus [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: transit time As for distilled vinegar - from Norman Walkers Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices: ... distilled vinegar has concentrated amounts of acetic acid which can destroy red blood corpuscles and interfere with the digestive process. It can also contribute to hardening in the liver (cirrhosis), as well as duodenal and other intestinal ulcers. ___ Your implication in this context is incorrect. The active ingredient in vinegar is acetic acid. Both Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar and Heinz distilled vinegar indicate that they each have 5% acetic acid content. Don't drink a bottle of either, but if a teaspoon of Bragg won't hurt you then a teaspoon of Heinz won't hurt you. Granted, you will be getting additional nutrition out of the Bragg vinegar but that is not the same as saying that Heinz will destroy your red blood corpuscles etc and implying that Bragg vinegar will not... The Heinz site also mentioned that certain cut price vinegars might be made from petroleum products so it would be prudent to use one made from alcohol as both Heinz and Bragg are. I don't know for a fact if those made from petroleum products are actually detrimental (in a factual way, not just imagined) but I probably wouldn't use much of a product of that type to be on the safe side. Do I need to say more? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address
CSRe: vinegar facts
As for distilled vinegar - from Norman Walkers Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices: ... distilled vinegar has concentrated amounts of acetic acid which can destroy red blood corpuscles and interfere with the digestive process. It can also contribute to hardening in the liver (cirrhosis), as well as duodenal and other intestinal ulcers. Your implication in this context is incorrect. It isn't 'my' implication, it is Dr. Norman Walkers - if you disagree, then go argue with him. The active ingredient in vinegar is acetic acid. Wrong. Acetic acid is *an* active ingredient in *all* vinegars. I think it is probably *the* active ingredient in *distilled* vinegar, but it certainly is not *the* active ingredient in raw organic apple cider vinegar, although it is, of course a major factor. Malic acid, numerous enzymes, potassium, and many other known and unknown co-factors are present in raw apple cider vinegar. Also, it would not surprise me in the least if the distillation process *alters* the acetic acid such that it is not the same as that found in natural vinegar. If you dispute this, then you probably also think that there is no difference between pasteurized/homogenized milk and raw milk from healthy cows. Both Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar and Heinz distilled vinegar indicate that they each have 5% acetic acid content. So what? Both pasteurized/homogenized milk contain fat - but the *form* of the fat is very *unhealthy* in the pasteurized/homogenized milk, and very *healthy* (for most people) in the raw form. Re-read my 'egg' analogy. Don't drink a bottle of either, but if a teaspoon of Bragg won't hurt you then a teaspoon of Heinz won't hurt you. Man, you really are good at throwing out strawmen, aren't you. A teaspoon of heinz may not kill you, but if you take it long term, it *will* stress the system and eventually lead to problems, while regular use of raw apple cider vinegar will produce - sometimes dramatic - *healthful* results. Granted, you will be getting additional nutrition out of the Bragg vinegar but that is not the same as saying that Heinz will destroy your red blood corpuscles etc and implying that Bragg vinegar will not... Heinz *will* - *if* taken in the long term - destroy red blood corpuscles, and Bragg's will *not*. The Heinz site also mentioned that certain cut price vinegars might be made from petroleum products so it would be prudent to use one made from alcohol as both Heinz and Bragg are. But you say this as if they were the same - and if you really believe that, then what in the hell are you doing on an alternative health list? You may as well go to the WebMD site and start recommending to people to get chemo and radiation treatments when they ask questions about cancer treatment options. I don't know for a fact if those made from petroleum products are actually detrimental (in a factual way, not just imagined) Right... ok, you just confirmed my above comment wasn't actually that far-fetched... but I probably wouldn't use much of a product of that type to be on the safe side. Ok, so you're not a *total* moron then... good for you... Do I need to say more? That is up to you... but if you do, I will most likely have to correct you again... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Vinegar
I stopped using white vinegar years ago when I learned that Gallic acid was added to it.It is artificial and much cheaper; and mucho harmful. Harold PS: makes darn good weed killer,mixed with salt and liquid dish detergent. Distilled vinegar shines as a cleanser, but never thought of using it as a weed killer... should be fairly safe too... thanks for the tip. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Vinegar makes a great biodegradable weed killer. Only thing is, the 5% is too low to be very effective, you need to use higher concentrations, which are available on the net. Marshall Charles Marcus wrote: I stopped using white vinegar years ago when I learned that Gallic acid was added to it.It is artificial and much cheaper; and mucho harmful. Harold PS: makes darn good weed killer,mixed with salt and liquid dish detergent. Distilled vinegar shines as a cleanser, but never thought of using it as a weed killer... should be fairly safe too... thanks for the tip. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Vinegar
au contraire, Vinegar works great sprayed straight on the weeds- like roundup. At least at my house. On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Vinegar makes a great biodegradable weed killer. Only thing is, the 5% is too low to be very effective, you need to use higher concentrations, which are available on the net. Marshall Charles Marcus wrote: I stopped using white vinegar years ago when I learned that Gallic acid was added to it.It is artificial and much cheaper; and mucho harmful. Harold PS: makes darn good weed killer,mixed with salt and liquid dish detergent. Distilled vinegar shines as a cleanser, but never thought of using it as a weed killer... should be fairly safe too... thanks for the tip. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: vinegar facts
You wrote: -Original Message- From: Charles Marcus [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: transit time As for distilled vinegar - from Norman Walkers Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices: ... distilled vinegar has concentrated amounts of acetic acid which can destroy red blood corpuscles and interfere with the digestive process. It can also contribute to hardening in the liver (cirrhosis), as well as duodenal and other intestinal ulcers. ___ Your implication in this context is incorrect. The active ingredient in vinegar is acetic acid. Both Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar and Heinz distilled vinegar indicate that they each have 5% acetic acid content. Don't drink a bottle of either, but if a teaspoon of Bragg won't hurt you then a teaspoon of Heinz won't hurt you. Granted, you will be getting additional nutrition out of the Bragg vinegar but that is not the same as saying that Heinz will destroy your red blood corpuscles etc and implying that Bragg vinegar will not... The Heinz site also mentioned that certain cut price vinegars might be made from petroleum products so it would be prudent to use one made from alcohol as both Heinz and Bragg are. I don't know for a fact if those made from petroleum products are actually detrimental (in a factual way, not just imagined) but I probably wouldn't use much of a product of that type to be on the safe side. Do I need to say more? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: vinegar GENUINE LEMONS
How about using Colloidal Silver in the fresh lemon juice it will keep fresh a long time. But the effort to get fresh is a big difference, one makes you more acidic while the fresh makes you more alkaline and have more energy. http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/lemon%20water.htm The Amazing Health Benefits of Drinking Lemon Water After visiting some friends recently who drank copious amounts of water spiked with fresh organic limes and lemons from trees in their yard and freely offered this delicious concoction to all their guests, the following article reminded me of the value of our mutual dedication to planetary health and wellness through simple healthful remedies. There are basic lifestyle habits that are important to incorporate into your daily life, and this is certainly one of them. However, we are talking about organic lemons that are tree ripened. If you are buying commercial lemons from the store, learn kinesiology and muscle test the lemons you buy so that you know one way or another whether the lemons you are purchasing are actually therapeutic for you. by Ann Heustad, R.N. When life gives you a lemon... squeeze it, mix it with six ounces of distilled water and drink twice daily. The value of eating lemons is reported by Jethro Kloss in his book Back to Eden: The medicinal value of the lemon is as follows: It is an antiseptic, or is an agent that prevents sepsis [the presence of pathogenic bacteria] or putrefaction [decomposition of tissue]. It is also anti-scorbutic, a term meaning a remedy which will prevent disease and assist in cleansing the system of impurities. Due to the digestive qualities of lemon juice, symptoms of indigestion such as heartburn, bloating and belching are relieved. By drinking lemon juice regularly, the bowels are aided in eliminating waste more efficiently thus controlling constipation and diarrhea. On page 659 of Back to Eden, Mr. Kloss points out that, The lemon is a wonderful stimulant to the liver and is a dissolvent of uric acid and other poisons, liquefies the bile, and is very good in cases of malaria. Sufferers of chronic rheumatism and gout will benefit by taking lemon juice, also those who have a tendency to bleed, uterine hemorrhages, etc.; rickets and tuberculosis. In pregnancy, it will help to build bone in the child. We find that the lemon contains certain elements which will go to build up a healthy system and keep that system healthy and well. As a food, we find, owing to its potassium content, it will nourish the brain and nerve cells. Its calcium builds up the bony structure and makes healthy teeth. Its magnesium, in conjunction with calcium, has an important part to play in the formation of albumen in the blood. The lemon contains potassium 48.3, calcium 29.9, phosphorus 11.1, magnesium 4.4. Lemons are useful in treating asthma, biliousness, colds, coughs, sore throat, diphtheria, la grippe [flu or influenza], heartburn, liver complaint[s], scurvy, fevers and rheumatism. Since many people today suffer from what they used to call biliousness, it is important to edify our readers to the definition. Biliousness -- 1. A symptom of a disorder of the liver causing constipation, headache, loss of appetite and vomiting of bile. 2. excess of bile; a bilious fever. Why the lemon works so well On page 19 of A.F. Beddoe's book Biological Ionization in Human Nutrition, he states that: Man does not live off the food he eats but off of the energy that is produced from the food he eats. The energy you get from your food comes from the atoms and molecules of energy in your food. A reaction takes place as cationic food enters the digestive tract and encounters anionic digestive enzymes. To explain further, an ion is part of a molecule con-atom or a group of atoms that carry an electrical charge. Ions which carry positive charges are anions. Lemons are considered to be anionic, having more anions (negatively charged ions) of energy as compared to cations (positively charged ions) in their atomic structure. Saliva, hydrochloric acid, bile and the stomach's other digestive juices are also anionic. Lemon is one of the only foods on the planet that has more anions than cations in its atomic structure. When considering the electromagnetic properties of food Dr. Beddoe points out that all foods are considered cationic with the exception of fresh, raw lemon juice. Some have suggested that the reason fresh lemon juice is similar to digestive enzymes is due to the low amount of sulfur in lemons. It should be noted that pasteurized and packaged lemon juice is cationic and, therefore, ineffective as a health remedy. Who Can Benefit From Lemon Water Dr. Beddoe continues on page 194: Lemon water is used in every person that can tolerate it. That is, if there is no allergy to lemon (a very few have a true allergy to lemon) and no active ulcers, then all adults and most children should use the lemon water.
RE: CSRe: vinegar
Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CSRe: vinegar GENUINE LEMONS
Yes they are preservatives. For the best effect use a fresh lemon it will help alkalinize your body and give you an energy boost. 1/2 to a whole lemon squeezed to a class of water. quite sour tasting but what a boost. Helps the pH and vitamins to boot. To start add less lemon and a little real maple syrup (also alkaline, or organic unbleached sugar) now slowly add less sugar and more lemon till you have only lemon and water as this is the most beneficial. Louise On 12/14/2004 8:11:02 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: attachment: winmail.dat
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Hi mborger and Happy Holidays! I use the same lemon juice and have found NO problems. These 3 chemicals are added as preservatives so your product will be delicious until used up. The quantity of each is mini-small, much like the pinch of salt or dash of seasoning used in most recipes. I believe this to be as good as Fresh Lemon Juice and much handier and more economical. Good Question--thanks for asking! Please check my New website below my Blogspot and let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: vinegar [Richard Harris] Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar
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mborg...@att.net wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz sodium benzoate Implicated as an immune suppressant, even as an agent in AIDs for some people, similar to benzene. Acts as a nutrient for AIDs causing parasites according to Clark if I remember right. However it is in lots of food if you check the labels. sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives) Not sure of toxcidity, but would likely form silver sulfite if mixed with EIS. I would expect them to be hard on the kidneys like sulfa drugs are. Perhaps Mr. Harris would have additional information on these. ..lemon oil. Natural. Should be safe. Marshall thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar ! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSRe: vinegar GENUINE LEMONS
i doubt i have ever found anything canned or bottled equivalent to fresh. in orange juice i have found fresh orange juice contains enzymes and properties not in any other form of orange juice. i am sure it is the same with lemon juice. On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Louise wrote: Yes they are preservatives. For the best effect use a fresh lemon it will help alkalinize your body and give you an energy boost. 1/2 to a whole lemon squeezed to a class of water. quite sour tasting but what a boost. Helps the pH and vitamins to boot. To start add less lemon and a little real maple syrup (also alkaline, or organic unbleached sugar) now slowly add less sugar and more lemon till you have only lemon and water as this is the most beneficial. Louise On 12/14/2004 8:11:02 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: winmail.dat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Just because it says lemon oil does not make it natural or safe. All oils are processed and therein lies the culprit. There extraction process most likely uses chemicals in the process - which are not disclosed (withheld) . For a reference on oils and processing - see Paul Pitchford Healing with Whole Foods . Pretty depressing as even extra-virgin olive oil may hide a shady past. Funny how a label Real Lemon makes one think of fresh lemons. If you are drinking this stuff for your health then consider using fresh lemons, apple cider, mother-of-vinegar, or kombucha __all live foods__. All simple, easy to make at home and mostly available locally. Not sure how CS or EIS would react to a mix, but could be taken a few hours apart. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: vinegar mborg...@att.net wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz sodium benzoate Implicated as an immune suppressant, even as an agent in AIDs for some people, similar to benzene. Acts as a nutrient for AIDs causing parasites according to Clark if I remember right. However it is in lots of food if you check the labels. sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives) Not sure of toxcidity, but would likely form silver sulfite if mixed with EIS. I would expect them to be hard on the kidneys like sulfa drugs are. Perhaps Mr. Harris would have additional information on these. ..lemon oil. Natural. Should be safe. Marshall thanks
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Thank you for your answer, we are drinking lemon juice to alkalize our bodies,but i question the preservatives I had not thought about lemon oil being bad for you. I guess we will have to resort to using real lemons, by the way what other foods can we injest to alkalize our bodies besides apple cider vinegar, which we take about 4 tea. a day? -- Original message from Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net: -- Just because it says lemon oil does not make it natural or safe. All oils are processed and therein lies the culprit. There extraction process most likely uses chemicals in the process - which are not disclosed (withheld) . For a reference on oils and processing - see Paul Pitchford Healing with Whole Foods . Pretty depressing as even extra-virgin olive oil may hide a shady past. Funny how a label Real Lemon makes one think of fresh lemons. If you are drinking this stuff for your health then consider using fresh lemons, apple cider, mother-of-vinegar, or kombucha __all live foods__. All simple, easy to make at home and mostly available locally. Not sure how CS or EIS would react to a mix, but could be taken a few hours apart. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: vinegar mborg...@att.net wrote: Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz sodium benzoate Implicated as an immune suppressant, even as an agent in AIDs for some people, similar to benzene. Acts as a nutrient for AIDs causing parasites according to Clark if I remember right. However it is in lots of food if you check the labels. sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives) Not sure of toxcidity, but would likely form silver sulfite if mixed with EIS. I would expect them to be hard on the kidneys like sulfa drugs are. Perhaps Mr. Harris would have additional information on these. ..lemon oil. Natural. Should be safe. Marshall thanks
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Thanks so much. -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi mborger and Happy Holidays! I use the same lemon juice and have found NO problems. These 3 chemicals are added as preservatives so your product will be delicious until used up. The quantity of each is mini-small, much like the pinch of salt or dash of seasoning used in most recipes. I believe this to be as good as Fresh Lemon Juice and much handier and more economical. Good Question--thanks for asking! Please check my New website below my Blogspot and let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: vinegar [Richard Harris] Dear Mr. Harris, I wish to ask you a question, I have been drinking lemon juice made from a brand called Real Lemon 100% lemon juice from concentrate, yet on the the ingredient list it states'lEMON JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE(WATER,CONCENTRATED LEMON JUICE).sodium benzoate,sodium metabisulfite and sodium sulfite(preservatives)..lemon oil. My question what are these preseratives??are they safe? there is no mention of their strength. I noticed on a 32oz bottle that the preseratives were 1/40 of 1% for each of the three. My bottle is 48 oz thanks -- Original message from Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com: -- Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar
Re: CSRe: vinegar GENUINE LEMONS
Fresh is always nice and best if you can get it. You'd have to see the lemons we get here a lot of the time, to know why I keep bottled lemon juice on hand always. The fresh lemons here, even when they are acceptable or even nice looking don't keep very long either. Bottled may be second best, and perhaps even iffy by some people's view, but it beats nasty rotten fresh any day. sol name withheld wrote: i doubt i have ever found anything canned or bottled equivalent to fresh. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Got the name wrong, it's Jarvis. His cure for dandruff was really simple. Rub a tablespoon of corn oil in the scalp 5 or 10 minutes before shampooing with any shampoo. No need for dandruff shampoos. Actually, any vegetable oil works. I use coconut oil 'cause I'm in that phase now. Chuck I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. On 12/13/2004 5:53:13 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: He is using the Bragg's organic and unpasteurized vinegar.Chuck--what is Javit's cure for dandruff? tia pj _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.1 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: vinegar
He is using the Bragg's organic and unpasteurized vinegar.Chuck--what is Javit's cure for dandruff? tia pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Shirley, Happy Holiday Season! During each shower, I shampoo and upon drying off, I pour about 1 oz. of CS on my scalp and rub in briskly, then towel dry and comb. Takes care of my dry scalp/dandruff. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It is D.C. MD JARVIS http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=booksfield-author=JARVIS%2C%252520D.C.%252520MD/002-5873103-8404823 I found him mentioned in the book Honey, Garlic Vinegar Home Remedies and Recipes by Patrick Quillin. Amazon has a 1995 edition of the Jarvis book Folk Medicine and also a 1985 edition. For dandruff, the Quillin book says to massage full-strength vinegar into the scalp several times a week before shampooing. I just started with the Bragg's vinegar with 1 teaspoon, since natural vinegar with bacteria intact has caused me problems before. Have read here many times not to combine CS with vinegar, so how long should I wait between drinking the vinegar drink and drinking CS? TIA, sol Shirley Reed wrote: He is using the Bragg's organic and unpasteurized vinegar.Chuck--what is Javit's cure for dandruff? tia pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Terri - I'm concerned about the Tea Tree Oil. I've been using on my cats for quite some time when needed. Didn't think twice about it. I buy my Tea Tree Oil at the local pet shop. It's organic and cheaper than buying it at the health food store. I'm wondering if you have a resource regarding the danger of using the TTO on cats. Thanks. Dottie Original Message Follows From: annho...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: vinegar Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:53:01 EDT What kind of concentration is suggested for this, Terri?. Mike, I've never really measured when I mixed but I would start at maybe 1/3 v to 2/3 water, adding more accordingly, dabbing on 2x a day to start for an ear issue. I used this on a dog I used to have many years ago. He had folded ears which encourages ear fungus/bacteria.. it worked like a charm. I remember adjusting the dosage and frequency with the reaction or lack of it. After the problem cleared I would clean his ears weekly with diluted ACV. I dug up my vinegar book and read alittle. It states: vinegar can be used to treat inner ear problems, any skin problem as vinegar has the nearly the same ph as healthy skin, (using full strength and diluted.) Then I read that anytime vinegar is used around the eye it should be diluted. (Yale-New Haven hospital- when after-surgery eye infections became a problem, their Dept. of Bacteriology solved the problem with common vinegar). They're were different variations and applications for ACV... seems endless, sort of like CS. The book I have is called: The Vinegar Book. 64 pgs of vinegar uses. It was printed in 94'. The uses of vinegar for external and internal use are from apple cider vinegar NOT white vinegar. I've been using Bragg for years, the one with the mother. Terri L. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
