RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
But there is always a new vegetable, of one sort or another. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more. grin Mike D. See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that. Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
FUN PIG FACTS Some sources say that during earlier days of genetic manipulation by non-Earthers, human genes were introduced to the pig genome. Some say that pig most closely tastes like people. Monsanto is currently in the process of patenting the pig. Jim -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 I have definitely read that pigs are closer to humans than any other non-primate. Not sure why that would be the case, and have read one rather exotic explaination for it years ago but can't remember the details. Here is a very interesting article about chimeras that shows just how closely related various mammals are: http://prague.tv/forum/viewpost.php?id=2932 (PS. I am caught up now, but this was just too intersting to not post). Marshall cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I always heard that it was pigs that made the best model for human cardiology research. Chuck Alcohol calculus don't mix. Never drink derive. On 8/19/2005 10:40:15 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hmmm, I wonder... Though it's all over now, I have a suspicion that the I Win! protagonist might in reality have been a AI (artificial intelligence) bot program. Chuck I couldn't help but recall the scene from James Bond, Golden Eye, where Boris leaps up with his hands raised and declares, I'm INVINCIBLE!!! ... just before being frozen by the flood of liquid nitrogen. grin Ah, well. It's a sad situation anyway. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more. grin Mike D. See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that. Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (rly-xn04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.117]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5
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veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time, dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. If you transplant a human lung into another human it would kill him too if there was no tissue match done. Does that mean that a human's lung is not the same as a human's lung? Of course not. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. That is about an idiotic statement. Exactly the same, no, of course not, a lung from one person is not exactly the same as one from another person. But similar enough to use data collected to infer for the other, sure. They both serve the same function, oxidizing hemoglobin in the blood from air, and removing CO2 from the blood. They are composed of the same types of cells, and have the same cilia, and the same structure, with branching bronchia. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. This is another idiotic statement. The similarity of species is fundamental to evolution theory, not creationism. You got it backwards. The question is NOT if dogs lungs are identical to humans, but similar enough that the results of experiments done on them would apply to humans. Apparently so, since medical research has used dogs for this purpose for many decades. Marshall Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Date: 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time From: dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com (Dan Nave) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India. He had lost his back legs to a train. He did very well walking on two legs with his backside up in the air. Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the rules of logic as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and humans can walk very well on two legs. Send money, Dan ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (rly-xh06.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.213]) by air-xh04.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXH41-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH63-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:09 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IEmJFE021037; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:35 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7IEmJZP021027; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: s304594a@mn.nilfisk-advance.com X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:47:19 -0500 From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X
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See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that. Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (rly-xn04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.117]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN41-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4
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Well I think that confirms it. You are obviously a troll. Hmmm, where is my kill file? Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 Date: 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time From: panamp...@aol.com Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I always heard that it was pigs that made the best model for human cardiology research. Chuck Alcohol calculus don't mix. Never drink derive. On 8/19/2005 10:40:15 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have definitely read that pigs are closer to humans than any other non-primate. Not sure why that would be the case, and have read one rather exotic explaination for it years ago but can't remember the details. Here is a very interesting article about chimeras that shows just how closely related various mammals are: http://prague.tv/forum/viewpost.php?id=2932 (PS. I am caught up now, but this was just too intersting to not post). Marshall cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I always heard that it was pigs that made the best model for human cardiology research. Chuck Alcohol calculus don't mix. Never drink derive. On 8/19/2005 10:40:15 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike, your computer's clock is about 20 minutes fast. -w. M. G. Devour wrote: whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more. grin Mike D. See http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research --- This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for testing: http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans. -- I don't think it could be made more clear than that. Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (rly-xn04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.117]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN41-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
hahahaha, I was wondering about that. E. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more. grin Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply
Sorry, dog and people lungs work the same way and use the same chemistry. If there are any differences at all, they are minor enough for good research to be done, which is why such research is done with dogs by people who HAVE looked into what the differences and similarities are and found the similarities vastly outweigh any difference where some specific application is concerned. Otherise, research would be like Swiss cheese is the same color as the moon, therefore the moon must be Swiss cheesemice eat cheese, so the holes in Swiss were made by mice and mice made all those craters. Oh wait! That's all true! ..and that half a million miles of vaccuum between mice and the moon is between my ears! No wait! There's no vaccuum if there are rocks in it! I saw an asteroid! When, not if, people pant, they also evaporate water and cool off. Runners do it often. You're talking about two different ways to use the same system and properties of evaportion. People just have more options. People don't have to pant because they can perspire and evaporate water externally 'as well as' internally through the lungs to refrigerate the blood, but that has nothing to do with how the lungs absorb oxygen and expel carbon dioxide, their basic functions, tissue structures, abilities to handle impurities or how evaporating water refrigerates. If you transplated dog lungs into people, the person would still not have to pant to cool off and wouldn't do so unless the primary system [perspiration evaporation] were overloaded. Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] BTW, dogs don't walk on their feet. [They walk on their toes] The first bend in a dogs hind leg is its ankle. People can walk on either. People have more options...and a more developed sense of balance. People ride bicycles and 4 wheels don't need good balance to not fall over...but the facts of locomotion mechanics are the same. What's with this winning thing? I still have my feet and there is no valid arguement here to win OR lose. If an idea presented is more complete than mine, I'll adopt it in a heartbeat..and keep looking for an even more complete idea. I've heard some people call that 'learning'. Argueing is pointless. No one ever wins anything worth winning. Pinheads argue over whos point is the sharpest. Well, that might be a fun way to waste time, but it doesn't go anywhere. [That's not to say that academia doesn't have its fair share of so called learn-ed pinheads] Do some reading or go ask a doctor who has taken both sets apart and actually looked and done a 'valid' comparison. ..then... help me change my mind. End of non arguement. Ode At 02:32 PM 8/17/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Now that's funny! ..a person who can't see the most simple correlations won something in a contest that only that person was in. Well, that's no surprise. I can race myself and win every time without even standing up. Does crossing the finish line with ones left foot mean that the left foot won the foot race? I guess so! I won! I AM my left foot..not my right foot. [The loser!] Lookie here. A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. The effects of unequal meetings of mass and velocity work the same way on dogs as people...well, OK...people go splat then sue and dogs just go splat. ..nevermind.. I think I'll go look in a mirror to make sure my eyes are shut. -) Ode At 09:20 AM 8/16/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: no connection to arguement. i win again Subj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply
Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India. He had lost his back legs to a train. He did very well walking on two legs with his backside up in the air. Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the rules of logic as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and humans can walk very well on two legs. Send money, Dan ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
In a message dated 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time, dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes: look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Date: 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time From: dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com (Dan Nave) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India. He had lost his back legs to a train. He did very well walking on two legs with his backside up in the air. Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the rules of logic as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and humans can walk very well on two legs. Send money, Dan ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (rly-xh06.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.213]) by air-xh04.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXH41-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xh06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH63-70d43049fe321c; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:49:09 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IEmJFE021037; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:35 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7IEmJZP021027; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f Message-Id: s304594a@mn.nilfisk-advance.com X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:47:19 -0500 From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 14:47:54.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0C53750:01C5A403] Resent-Message-ID: oygugd.a.bif.y-j...@ultra5.eskimo.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: silver-list@eskimo.com archive/latest/84440 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com List-Post: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com List-Help: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe List-Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com X-AOL-IP: 204.122.16.68 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496062056:15032385 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of the lung in a land mammal. Regards, E look you are spoiling my victory. dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs are biologically different from humans. i can prove this. if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think therefore dogs are the same as humans. this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a creationist. Ode wrote: Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to pant..while people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk because they don't have enough feet. While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of view, it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people] __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (rly-xn04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.117]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXN24-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (ultra5.eskimo.com [204.122.16.68]) by rly-xn04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN41-6414304b54ab1; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from ultra5.eskimo.com (IDENT:smart...@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IGJYH2013606; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:50 -0700 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by ultra5.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.12.10/Submit) id j7IGJXmw013599; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:33 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:19:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ultra5.eskimo.com: smartlst set sender to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com using -f Message-ID: bayc1-pasmtp02640af84240388d2ae4dfb9...@cez.ice X-Originating-IP: [70.49.177.122] X-Originating-Email: [epa...@sympatico.ca] From: Ernie Patai epa...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSilver
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
I thought we were all beyond the I'm right and you were wrong stuff? I have not seen any proof, from either side of the equation. Could someone else, provide something viable to conclude this. Humbly speaking. E your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic!
RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
Thank you.! that is what I was getting at. touche' -Original Message- From: panamp...@aol.com [mailto:panamp...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic!
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
In a message dated 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time, panamp...@aol.com writes: I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23 Date: 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time From: panamp...@aol.com Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is wrong, leaving off percentages of course, and get on with a new topic! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs wins Oscar
I thought we were all beyond the I'm right and you were wrong stuff? I have not seen any proof, from either side of the equation. Could someone else, provide something viable to conclude this. I thought the discussion was brilliantly funny, much better and cleverer than TV, really enjoyable, always gave me a grin if not an outright guffaw, never took it seriously for an instant, or if I did it was such a small instant I have forgotten it, loved it when others pitched in in the same vein, wondered how long they'd be allowed to keep going, but looked forward to the next salvo! The I'm right stuff was just the icing on the cake to me! Sounded like two old pals having a great time! My poor old brain wouldn't have been able to concoct one reply, never mind many, but it sure did appreciate the joke! I shall be sad to see it conclude, but hope the exit provides a dumfounding reply that can't be beat anyway! Ro fr Oz -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hmmm, I wonder... Though it's all over now, I have a suspicion that the I Win! protagonist might in reality have been a AI (artificial intelligence) bot program. Chuck Blessed are the Geeks, for they shall internet the earth. On 8/18/2005 2:05:49 PM, veganexus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico. ca writes: your compariso is inept and not germane. we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2 Date: 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time From: epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-l...@eskimo.c -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs
Now that's funny! ..a person who can't see the most simple correlations won something in a contest that only that person was in. Well, that's no surprise. I can race myself and win every time without even standing up. Does crossing the finish line with ones left foot mean that the left foot won the foot race? I guess so! I won! I AM my left foot..not my right foot. [The loser!] Lookie here. A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. The effects of unequal meetings of mass and velocity work the same way on dogs as people...well, OK...people go splat then sue and dogs just go splat. ..nevermind.. I think I'll go look in a mirror to make sure my eyes are shut. -) Ode At 09:20 AM 8/16/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: no connection to arguement. i win again Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10 - Release Date: 8/15/2005
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In a message dated 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: you are wrong again. dogs are different from humans. ok? small particles pass through. dog lungs are not the same. a dog pants instead of perspiring. i fear you are clutching at straws having been defeated again. Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 17/08/2005 13:33:06 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Now that's funny! ..a person who can't see the most simple correlations won something in a contest that only that person was in. Well, that's no surprise. I can race myself and win every time without even standing up. Does crossing the finish line with ones left foot mean that the left foot won the foot race? I guess so! I won! I AM my left foot..not my right foot. [The loser!] Lookie here. A dogs lungs work so close to exactly like people lungs that valid testing can be done with them instead of risking harming people. The effects of unequal meetings of mass and velocity work the same way on dogs as people...well, OK...people go splat then sue and dogs just go splat. ..nevermind.. I think I'll go look in a mirror to make sure my eyes are shut. -) Ode At 09:20 AM 8/16/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: no connection to arguement. i win again Subj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Ode At 10:58 AM 8/15/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 15/08/2005 11:21:58 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: we are not dogs. and we dont inhale silver dust either Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 15/08/2005 11:21:58 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10 - Release Date: 8/15/2005
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs
In a message dated 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: no connection to arguement. i win again Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 16/08/2005 13:42:28 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com We don't generally chase cars either, but a car will still make a mess of a person if it's caught. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver particles in the lungs
Nanometer size silver particles introduced into the lungs will be absorbed into the blood stream. Particles that are to large to be absorbed will be ionized (converted into ionic form) which will then be absorbed. The lungs have macrophages whose purpose is to clear particles that may become caught in the lung tissue. The macrophages produce H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) which dissolves silver particles too large to be absorbed directly. Once dissolved (converted to ionic form) the silver is then absorbed. See: http://nic.sav.sk/logos/books/scientific/node23.html We know of thousands of users of nanoparticle colloidal silver who have successfully used nebulized silver in the lungs for bacterial, fungal and viral infections. Frank Key www.Silver-Colloids.com
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Thank you, Frank for this and the other valuable items that you and the other Experts share wo unselfishly with us seekers! This is very valuable information and explains things we haven't reasoned out. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Info - Silver Colloids [mailto:in...@www.silver-colloids.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSilver particles in the lungs Nanometer size silver particles introduced into the lungs will be absorbed into the blood stream. Particles that are to large to be absorbed will be ionized (converted into ionic form) which will then be absorbed. The lungs have macrophages whose purpose is to clear particles that may become caught in the lung tissue. The macrophages produce H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) which dissolves silver particles too large to be absorbed directly. Once dissolved (converted to ionic form) the silver is then absorbed. See: http://nic.sav.sk/logos/books/scientific/node23.html We know of thousands of users of nanoparticle colloidal silver who have successfully used nebulized silver in the lungs for bacterial, fungal and viral infections. Frank Key www.Silver-Colloids.com
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs
An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. Ode At 08:34 AM 8/14/2005 -0700, you wrote: This is a post in response to a nurse...I suggested that one could use cs in a nebulizer..this was her response. Is it unsafe to use silver as an inhalent? thanks everyone...deb in itself it is non toxic. However, it is an element, a sort of solid ( microscopic particles ) and if they get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. So, when inhaling it into your nose you have to make certain you do not inhale too large of particles of it, so that it does not go any further back than the back of your throat. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9 - Release Date: 8/14/2005
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In a message dated 15/08/2005 00:49:12 GMT Daylight Time, PanA hi they are spouting what they have been told to say by their paymasters.thses people never do any of their own research. just like media hacks doing cut and paste from big pharma pr deptsabout the next cancer cure drug of the week mp...@aol.com writes: Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 15/08/2005 00:49:12 GMT Daylight Time From: panamp...@aol.com Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Sol, I have many relatives, friends and associates in the medical field, primarily Drs and nurses. The majority of them that I have spoken to are barely aware of CS, EIS let alone knowledgeable about the effects of AG particles in the lungs. I too would like to hear more credible evidence to this nurses expertise. Pete -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Deborah Gerard wrote: This is a post in response to a nurse...I suggested that one could use cs in a nebulizer..this was her response. Is it unsafe to use silver as an inhalent?thanks everyone...debin itself it is non toxic. However, it is an element, a sort of solid ( microscopic particles ) and if they get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. So, when inhaling it into your nose you have to make certain you do not inhale too large of particles of it, so that it does not go any further back than the back of your throat. Silver particles are converted to silver oxide and silver hydroxide in the lungs over time, which are then absorbed into the blood steam and then converted back to silver particles and excreted. This is preformed by the lungs producing small amounts of hydrogen peroxide which reacts with the silver particles. Marshall
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In a message dated 15/08/2005 11:21:58 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: we are not dogs. and we dont inhale silver dust either Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs Date: 15/08/2005 11:21:58 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com An experiment done by Phalen and Morrow circa 1974? discounts that idea. They had dogs inhale finely ground silver dust and 94% of it was found in their poop within 30 days. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver particles in the lungs
This is a post in response to a nurse...I suggested that one could use cs in a nebulizer..this was her response. Is it unsafe to use silver as an inhalent? thanks everyone...deb in itself it is non toxic. However, it is an element, a sort of solid ( microscopic particles ) and if they get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. So, when inhaling it into your nose you have to make certain you do not inhale too large of particles of it, so that it does not go any further back than the back of your throat.
Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs
Not to make light of inhaling particles -(I avoid them when possible by using a mask at construction work,) but people, especially workmen, inhale a lot of junk without seeming harm, although all is relative to how much, how long, and what kind. I have seen pictures of anti-bodies attacking fiberglass insulation, so I guess the body does try and clear the lungs several ways. I have doubts that microscopic silver particles would obstruct the lungs- short term- in small amounts; after all there is some cleaning going on, or else we would all have real acute problems. I have, in the past, wondered whether my lungs were clogged or I had emphysema, or some other problem because of lower lung functon, and it turned out that they just needed excercise, just like the heart for cardio condition. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You might ask the nurse where she got her information, it sounds on the face of it totally silly to me. Often it seems medical personnel say things like this without any real knowledge at all. And this is what this sounds like to me. It sounds like someone who knows nothing at all about EIS (or CS for that matter) who is spouting something they were told. Whenever anyone tells me stuff like this, I want to see the references, the clinical studies that prove it, etc. After all, we aren't putting powdered ground up silver into our lungs by using EIS in a nebulizer. sol Deborah Gerard wrote: This is a post in response to a nurse...I suggested that one could use cs in a nebulizer..this was her response. Is it unsafe to use silver as an inhalent? thanks everyone...deb in itself it is non toxic. However, it is an element, a sort of solid ( microscopic particles ) and if they get down into the lungs, can interfere with the cellular transfer of oxygen and carbon dioxide. So, when inhaling it into your nose you have to make certain you do not inhale too large of particles of it, so that it does not go any further back than the back of your throat. -- “All higher animals, including the cat, are essentially tubular.” Pollock, R. Cornell Book of Cats. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sol, I have many relatives, friends and associates in the medical field, primarily Drs and nurses. The majority of them that I have spoken to are barely aware of CS, EIS let alone knowledgeable about the effects of AG particles in the lungs. I too would like to hear more credible evidence to this nurses expertise. Pete
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Sad story: although the facts about asbestos were crystal clear decades ago, Japan's major companies paid no heed, and never mind the health ministry minions and labor leaders. No one did nothing, and now, suddenly, in the past month or so, it is major national news that workers have suffered irreparable lung damage. The scandal is that it is a scandal. It should never have happened; the protections were available and cheap. On Monday, Aug 15, 2005, at 01:05 Asia/Tokyo, alltogether...@webtv.net wrote: I have seen pictures of anti-bodies attacking fiberglass insulation, so I guess the body does try and clear the lungs several ways. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
