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Jason, as always, provides a crucial caveat: dental infections can be very dangerous. I generally do not much care to delve into my own medical matters on a public list, but I will say that in recent years I let a dental problem get out of hand, and was told by two dentists that there was no hope for one badly infected root-canal and tooth. Nevertheless, I got a cavity on the back of the cavity-damaged tooth filled -- a waste of time I was told -- and set to work on my own. BTW, the X-ray was a whited-out mess. There was quite a lot of infection. It has been quite a few years since then and the tooth is still there, and little by little, feeling (hot/cold senstivity) has returned to the tooth, which suggests to me nerve regeneration. I could be wrong, but I believe this is correct. The whole process has been slow, lasting several years. The color of the tooth is not normal, however. My point is writing here is that I did something in the early stages that has nothing to do with silver, and indeed, at that point in my life, I was not making or using CS.I had had some good experience with bloodroot tincture on some sun-damaged skin, and having read quite a bit about the remarkable properties of this root, I put tincture on a cotton ball, covered that with a waxy substance, and kept it in place on the gum over the infected but repaired tooth. In essence, I was soaking the gum around the tooth in tincture for many hours. The results were ghastly-looking and dramatic, and fast, too, as the bloodroot took away a great deal of damaged tissue and left a deep cavity in the gum tissue.It was all very grim looking but I was pleased with the result and expected progress. Healing was gradual but steady, and I do believe the dentist was surprised with the result. I believe the tincture went all the way into the root canal. I do not know whether any other therapy could have done such a good job of getting into the infected tissue and eliminating or at least greatly reducing the infection. I also later used hydrogen peroxide, which made clear the extent of the infection -- it was very painful to use this 3.5% solution straight, but I did, and just about boiled my tongue out. It was quite clear that a lot of bacteria existed as a result of the infection.It took time to clear the problem up; CS came later, and as a regular regimen has brought about continued improvements in teeth and gums. Bottom line is that in my case, bloodroot tincture was remarkably effective, and could conceivably also carry particulate CS into damaged tissue, though the tincture itself seems to do a splendid job and encourage tissue re-growth. Like Jason, I would say that a health professional had better be involved, as any infection above the neck can be deadly. I offer no advice as i have no qualifications to do so, merely an anecdote that might be useful to someone at some time. As always, be very careful, and know clearly what you don't know. I think I have been quite lucky and am grateful for my good fortune, and am well aware that I am my own experimental subject taking the risks on myself. JBBB On Sunday, Dec 21, 2003, at 11:21 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Donna: Thank you, I try to apply everything at my disposal to acquire accurate and beneficial knowledge; it's not always possible, but the silver list folks have certainly made that job easier over the past few years. Concerning your Jaw: I'd like to direct your attention to the following: http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/abcess-tooth- infected.html You really don't want to mess with a mouth infection for too long, they can turn lethal. As far as injecting h2o2 into an abscess? I don't know the strength to use. It would be a painful process without local anesthesia. I have had excellent results, as the above link shows ( one example out of 3 ), using silver, h2o2 and healing clay. While this may sound strange, I recommend using a silver/h2o2 formulation in both ears. In one situation, the co-researcher was having a very hard time knocking down the infection... and it was bad. I use a very strong combination to deal with these types of situations: 3-5 drops of 35% h2o2 in 4 ounces of 85% ionic CS ( in some cases, I force a greater particulate content, which, via electrolysis, results in a poorer quality CS, but a greater reaction with H2O2 ). I make the solution at the time of use, and this solution cannot be swallowed unless it is in the mouth for five minutes or so, preferably held in the mouth as long as possible. If one does, it will give a very bad upset stomach. Waiting 5-7 minutes, I've never seen the h2o2 upset stomach occur with cs h2o2. The reaction between the silver particles and the H2o2 really does appear to
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thanks for your comments, jbbb and I know from these past months how deadly my infection was becoming..I think the original infection has been there many years but my immune system is not capable of keeping things in balance at this point of my life. Even though I will remove the terribly infected tooth, I still want to work hard to save my other teeth which are showing signs of problems...maybe a cascade effect and the poor immune system just not keeping up. I never heard of bloodroot but will look it up..I have used herbs that have discolored my teeth and I imagine this is typical when you want high concentrations in the mouth area...this in an era when seemingly everyone has bleached white teeth, no matter how old.. Donna
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Hi Donna: Thank you, I try to apply everything at my disposal to acquire accurate and beneficial knowledge; it's not always possible, but the silver list folks have certainly made that job easier over the past few years. Concerning your Jaw: I'd like to direct your attention to the following: http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/abcess-tooth-infected.html You really don't want to mess with a mouth infection for too long, they can turn lethal. As far as injecting h2o2 into an abscess? I don't know the strength to use. It would be a painful process without local anesthesia. I have had excellent results, as the above link shows ( one example out of 3 ), using silver, h2o2 and healing clay. While this may sound strange, I recommend using a silver/h2o2 formulation in both ears. In one situation, the co-researcher was having a very hard time knocking down the infection... and it was bad. I use a very strong combination to deal with these types of situations: 3-5 drops of 35% h2o2 in 4 ounces of 85% ionic CS ( in some cases, I force a greater particulate content, which, via electrolysis, results in a poorer quality CS, but a greater reaction with H2O2 ). I make the solution at the time of use, and this solution cannot be swallowed unless it is in the mouth for five minutes or so, preferably held in the mouth as long as possible. If one does, it will give a very bad upset stomach. Waiting 5-7 minutes, I've never seen the h2o2 upset stomach occur with cs h2o2. The reaction between the silver particles and the H2o2 really does appear to drive the silver ions... In essence, we've thus created a silver ion delivery mechanism, which certainly works with the throat, the mouth, and ears. Anyway, in this situation, good results were not achieved until the ear on the side of the infection was treated with h2o2 and silver. The effect was obvious, nearly immediate, quite surprising, and it did involve a small measure of increased pain in the form of a burning sensation ( which usually doesn't occur ) that lasted a few hours. The burning sensation shot down from the ear into the jaw within a minute of filling the ear with h2o2/CS. The healing clay was a critical ingredient. However, there are great logistical problems involved with trying to use a healing clay pack within the mouth. While pelotherapy is usually not painful, in the case were there is a great deal of inflammation in an area where there are sensitive nerves, it is a painful treatment. The clay begins to PULL the infection to the surface, if enough clay magma is able to be placed at the site. A slight increase in swelling often occurs prior to a reduction in inflammation. If the area CAN be drained, subsequently, the H2O2 and silver can reach the tissues. However, this can involved in continually replacing the clay in the mouth, as saliva dilutes it. Not to mention it is difficult to apply and keep the clay in the correct area. In the case above, an oral surgeon would have been required. The oral surgeon wouldn't touch the mouth until the infection was reduced, the co-researcher had no insurance and could not afford the antibiotics ( wisdom tooth partially grown in, abscessed ). It was either deal with the infection, or wait until the situation became a real medical emergency for treatment. Again, please understand that a mouth infection can travel to the heart rapidly. That is all the information I have as present on the subject. Warm Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: alopez...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CSTetrasil Jason: you are so incredibly knowledgeable...there is a dentist who wishes to inject ozone or maybe peroxide..can't remember..into my infected jaw below the molar I am to have extracted next week...is it possible to do this? Can one do it themselves as she charges over a 100 dollars for each injection and I am pretty cash poor right now..looking for alternatives but don't want to lose my body over this.. CS has helped the pain of the tooth as I wait for the app't with the dentist but I'm feeling still systemically rather awful. Any ideas from anyone much appreciated... Am still trying to figure out where to get dmso from and if one mixes dmso with h2o2 in equal amounts and swishes it as a mouthwash, then spit it out... I love colloidal silver but its expensive and I have to try to buy the cs maker somehow. Best wishes, Donna --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003
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Good evening, Jason. I was just reading the re-print of Albert Searle's (1920) text, The Use Of Colloids In Health And Disease. Searle of course gives strong recomendation for the use of colloidal silver. But I was struck by Searle's discussion of colloidal manganese beginning on page 90 of his book. If I am reading Searle's account correctly, he endorses colloidal manganese more than colloidal silver for the treatment of deep abscesses. I don't know of any discussions of manganese colloid on this List, and the pro's and con's of using it. Would you happen to know how it compares to CS, from today's standpoint? Thank you in advance for any assistance you can give on this question! Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSmouth infections
In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, ey...@cox.net writes: trying to use a healing clay pack within the mouth Is healing clay something I can purchase in a healh food store...I would like to try this as it is becoming a desperate affair...I just have to find something that knock this thing out of my mouth.. Many warm thoughts and gratitude for your kind input, Donna
Re: CSMouth infections
Hi Matthew: Thanks for posting those links by the way! I don't have any experience with manganese, but it is certainly a fascinating idea. Keep in mind that Manganese has been cited as being tumerogenic and a mutagen, but only at doses that far exceed what I'd expect we'd use in isolated form. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/rtecs/oo8d8678.html I see products for sale on the market in the 100 + PPM range, that claim to be a pure product, but I imagine it would be the same with manganese as CS: We're not going to find a quality nor stable isolated product that isn't really a compound of some sort. Perhaps someone else on the list has some experience! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: CSMouth infections Good evening, Jason. I was just reading the re-print of Albert Searle's (1920) text, The Use Of Colloids In Health And Disease. Searle of course gives strong recomendation for the use of colloidal silver. But I was struck by Searle's discussion of colloidal manganese beginning on page 90 of his book. If I am reading Searle's account correctly, he endorses colloidal manganese more than colloidal silver for the treatment of deep abscesses. I don't know of any discussions of manganese colloid on this List, and the pro's and con's of using it. Would you happen to know how it compares to CS, from today's standpoint? Thank you in advance for any assistance you can give on this question! Best regards, Matthew --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003
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Hi Donna: Many health food stores carry at least one brand of green clay, usually Aztec Healing Clay which is-- by a long shot-- not my favorite product. If you can find a bulk source, you can usually pick up a 50 lb bag for between $10.00 ( at a quarry ) - $50.00 ( a large ceramic store often carries pure bentonite in technical grade ). Every clay from every different quarry, and sometimes the clay in different locations of the same quarry, is different. However, all green bentonites at least share the same general properties. I wouldn't recommend anyone start their experiences with healing clays with such a tricky situation. However, you're welcome to view: http://www.eytonsearth.org ( green healing clays ) and http://www.burulibusters.com - ( graphic images, beware ) for further information. At Eytons' Earth, we study green healing clays, including bentonite ( montmorillonite ) and now Illite. At Buruli Busters, Thierry et all show the study of French Montmorillonite and French Illite against Buruli Ulcerations. The images on their site are quite graphic in nature; I have further astounding images concerning these treatments that are too graphic for public viewing. Thanks to Thierry's presentation to the WHO, the World Health Organization now lists green clay as a viable treatment for Buruli Ulcers. Let's all just HOPE we don't get this type of bacterial infection on our continents. Transmission of the micobacteria responsible for this afflication into our own ecosystems is possible. One day, I'm finally going to talk them into employing CS in their protocol, as there are some symptoms to the treatment that I think CS could address extremely successfully. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: alopez...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: CSmouth infections In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, ey...@cox.net writes: trying to use a healing clay pack within the mouth Is healing clay something I can purchase in a healh food store...I would like to try this as it is becoming a desperate affair...I just have to find something that knock this thing out of my mouth.. Many warm thoughts and gratitude for your kind input, Donna --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003
