CSoligodynamism
Mike Monett and Matthew Thanks for enlightening info on oligodynamism. GeorgeA
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## Then another guy stands up twice and says, Things do happen all at once, we just have mechanisms to sort them out in a linear fashion. Ode And then some guy in the back of the room stands up and says, Time was invented so things don't happen all at once. See what I mean? If you haven't read this paper: http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilveruniversal.html You might find some interesting information embedded within the text! In particular: Taken together, these facts may be of utmost importance to the human body's strategic use of silver with the plethora of endogenous ROTS ( Radical Oxygen Toxic Species ) and antioxidant pathways. In other words, if silver intervenes with pathogens as an ion associated within WBC generated ROTS, the thermodynamic attributes of the ROTS may enhance immune efficacy that utilize ROTS to autolyse pathogens, such as: OCl-, the peroxide cascade, NO, superoxide radical, etc. On the other side of the equation, mammalian tissue contains antioxidants that tame such ROTS, such as cysteine, selenium, glutathione, vitamin E, etc. a.. And finally we must consider what happens after our inherent tissues' antioxidants reversibly quench silver. At the starting point, a pure silver ion or colloidal silver aggregate with zeta potential binds into pathogens or tissue by losing its charge. In cases where human WBC antioxidant levels are adequate, the deceased pathogen may be phagocytized by a megakaryocyte. Within the immune cell, this process may be reversible when certain antioxidants are present such as glutathione, selenium or N--acetylcysteine.40 This allows for a potential recycling of the metallic silver particle back into a silver ion, which in turn can thrust another available silver ion at a prospective pathogen, perhaps freed by the immune cell upon respiratory burst, or by integrating within its strategic intracellular ROTS cascade autolysing phagocytized pathogens. Previous work done with silver sulfadiazine showed it did not have a significant impact upon neutrophilic respiratory burst at clinical dosage levels.41 However, the product selected in this study appears to possess at least several orders of magnitude greater potential, due to its smaller particle size and dispersion. Further work needs to verify this theory regarding this product. I agree with your summation of the origin of MSP, and its historical use. However, it hard to predict what would, or would not happen, with MSP used orally. It does, from every end user report that I have seen, maintain at least of measure of effectiveness. I've also, however, received more reports of strange side effects from MSP than anything else out there, and one shouldn't think that there is a risk of Argyria; there is no risk; when used as directed by some of these companies, one will get argyria. Some MSP providers suggest a very low dosage, which keeps silver intake below EPA-RISK established toxicity levels. However, users seldom follow the instructions, and I question whether or not a drop of mild silver protein @ 750 - 5000 PPM would be effective via oral use. I find it very hard to speculate on isolated silver's action in the body; what exactly transpires which allows highly ionic CS to maintain effectiveness. Concerning the modern chemistry view of what happens to silver upon ingestion, there really isn't one. I have not been able to substantiate the basic statements like ionic silver is converted to silver chloride, end of story, when I've had brief opportunities to pose the question to qualified organic chemists. Two told me that they could think of a dozen possible reactions in-vivo that would possibly explain maintained bioavailability of silver ions, but that speculation really wasn't that valueable without extensive study. It would be nice to find an organic chemist that could -- and would -- do the work! Silver ions have a have life of seven seconds ( or less ) in the bloodstream. This is a good point. However, anectdotal evidence suggests that at some point, the silver ion may again be liberated. It's hard to say one way or the other, but the mounting evidence suggests that there is more to the story than silver ions becoming silver chloride. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: CSOligodynamism Hi, Jason, Thanks for your valuable information! I wonder if the original purpose of MPS is being neglected. According to Searle, Henry Crooke invented MPS in 1910-1913 and it wasn't for stabilization during storage before being dispensed. If I am reading Searle correctly, Crooke wanted CS to be stabilized for isotonicity in the presence of serum following an intravenous or intramuscular administration. If I am correct, perhaps MPS for CS that will be taken orally is just a big waste, or worse. Searle suggests on page 56 of his book that chlorine ions contribute essentially
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The idea that bonding silver to a protein limits the available surface area makes sense to me. And that the particle is probably pretty darned large to start with or it wouldn't need to be bonded to anything to keep it in suspension...protein aka 'stabilizer'. Two whammys saying that home made EIS/colloidal-ionic silverwater is far better and you need much less to do the same job. I've seen bottles of MSP that said 'shake vigerously before using'... why? Even the protein stabilizer isn't doing what it's supposed to? Ode At 09:24 AM 12/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi, Members of the List. The CS website that disparages low-level PPMs and extolls high-level PPMs with mild protein stabilization overlooks one of the earliest discoveries about the nature of CS: oligodynamism. Nageli is credited with discovering this remarkable property of CS in the 1890s, though other substances were known to have it. One possible explanation for this less is beautiful phenomenon is that silver particulates exert an inhibitory effect on each other. So they need enough space to be active and/or stable.Does anybody know of any chemical theory or other further explanation of oligodynamism? Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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be liberated. It's hard to say one way or the other, but the mounting evidence suggests that there is more to the story than silver ions becoming silver chloride. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: CSOligodynamism Hi, Jason, Thanks for your valuable information! I wonder if the original purpose of MPS is being neglected. According to Searle, Henry Crooke invented MPS in 1910-1913 and it wasn't for stabilization during storage before being dispensed. If I am reading Searle correctly, Crooke wanted CS to be stabilized for isotonicity in the presence of serum following an intravenous or intramuscular administration. If I am correct, perhaps MPS for CS that will be taken orally is just a big waste, or worse. Searle suggests on page 56 of his book that chlorine ions contribute essentially to the stabilization of some sols. Could it be possible that gastric HCl protects CS, rather than destabilizing or destroying it. It seems counter to familiar principles of chemistry except that, after all, colloids are a separate physical state, not just ordinary chemical reagents. I would like to know more about your reference to non-hertzian energy or standing waves. Do these have anything to do with scalar longitudinal waves that have been attributed to Maxwell's equations in their quaternionic formulation? Your quoted material from Dr Savely Yurkovsky is very intriguing. Do you know him personally? I am just curious because I may be going to his former neighborhood (Coney Island-Brighton Beach, Little Odessa) soon to study technical Ukrainian for a biomedical translation project. The author of the preface of his book is well-known and respected in my field. Best regards, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSoligodynamism
Hi, Members of the List. The CS website that disparages low-level PPMs and extolls high-level PPMs with mild protein stabilization overlooks one of the earliest discoveries about the nature of CS: oligodynamism. Nageli is credited with discovering this remarkable property of CS in the 1890s, though other substances were known to have it. One possible explanation for this less is beautiful phenomenon is that silver particulates exert an inhibitory effect on each other. So they need enough space to be active and/or stable.Does anybody know of any chemical theory or other further explanation of oligodynamism? Best wishes, Matthew
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Hi Matthew: Your picking up some nice gems through the old literature, no doubt! The term Oligodyamic was the result of an observation, and not a theory. Therefore, all subsequent work, at least that which is available, are attempts to qualify and quantify the phenomenon, and conclusions from observational data. The two most significant contributory factors of the ogliodynamic properties of silver are particle sizing and surface area. Therefore, the ogliodynamic properties of MSP, in any strength, are far less than a quality isolated silver product, PPM to PPM, or even a silver oxide that releases silver ions via chemical reaction. I believe that chemistry is way off of the mark in attempting to understand the ogliodynamic properties of silver. To even begin to understand this realm, we have to divert to new physics, in particular, quantum physics, and even more particular, non-herzian energy, or standing waves. To give you an example, please reference the works of Dr. Savely Yurkovsky. I had the pleasure of corresponding briefly with Dr. Yurkovsky briefly before the release of his newest book. You'll have to keep an open mind here, as the Western World is far behind the ex-Soviets in medical research in these areas. To quote Dr. Yurkovsy ( taken from a pre-publish summation of Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare ): What is not so well known is that placing these colloidal silver particles in a nearby gas discharge tube, and focusing the electromagnetic emissions from such an operating tube onto the beaker, will also kill the bacteria. Thus, physical contact between the bacteria and the silver is not a necessary condition for killing the bacteria. Further, if one looks at the optical spectrum of silver and then combines the magnitudes of the optical output for several light sources of different frequencies so as to closely simulate the silver spectrum, such a beam of electromagnetic radiation will also kill these bacteria. Via this simple example we see that it is the specific information pattern inherent in the silver atom and not the physical contact that is killing the bacteria. And our general present-day experience with transforming one computer language to another shows us that the same basic information pattern (the same meaning) can exist in many different formats. Thus, to understand the homeopathic/allopathic medicine duality, we must focus our attention on the various possible information pattern formats that nature utilizes to express itself. http://www.scienceofmedicinepublishing.com/medical-articles.html - for some more articles. The theories involved are not too far apart from those utilized by the Light Beam Generator, which has received FDA approval as a lymphatic detoxifyier. I am preparing a series of experiments that likely will not be acceptable to the scientific community, but will probably be interesting to everyone else, based on the works of Tesla and wave form technology. It won't be for awhile yet, as the equipment I have to purchase is a bit pricey For those of us without budgets! Total equipment cost, including lasers, is about 7k. The point of the experimentation will be study the energetic effects of various silver products. Having established a baseline, to then try and coordinate these findings with standard and scientifically acceptable means of measurement ( AAS and TEM ). Having established this, the next step would be to see if the properties of the silver products can be changed/manipuated and documented using electromagnetic photography. However, correlating these things with actual in-body effects would be nearly impossible without a lot of money! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: CSoligodynamism Hi, Members of the List. The CS website that disparages low-level PPMs and extolls high-level PPMs with mild protein stabilization overlooks one of the earliest discoveries about the nature of CS: oligodynamism. Nageli is credited with discovering this remarkable property of CS in the 1890s, though other substances were known to have it. One possible explanation for this less is beautiful phenomenon is that silver particulates exert an inhibitory effect on each other. So they need enough space to be active and/or stable.Does anybody know of any chemical theory or other further explanation of oligodynamism? Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOligodynamism
Hi, Jason, Thanks for your valuable information! I wonder if the original purpose of MPS is being neglected. According to Searle, Henry Crooke invented MPS in 1910-1913 and it wasn't for stabilization during storage before being dispensed. If I am reading Searle correctly, Crooke wanted CS to be stabilized for isotonicity in the presence of serum following an intravenous or intramuscular administration. If I am correct, perhaps MPS for CS that will be taken orally is just a big waste, or worse. Searle suggests on page 56 of his book that chlorine ions contribute essentially to the stabilization of some sols. Could it be possible that gastric HCl protects CS, rather than destabilizing or destroying it. It seems counter to familiar principles of chemistry except that, after all, colloids are a separate physical state, not just ordinary chemical reagents. I would like to know more about your reference to non-hertzian energy or standing waves. Do these have anything to do with scalar longitudinal waves that have been attributed to Maxwell's equations in their quaternionic formulation? Your quoted material from Dr Savely Yurkovsky is very intriguing. Do you know him personally? I am just curious because I may be going to his former neighborhood (Coney Island-Brighton Beach, Little Odessa) soon to study technical Ukrainian for a biomedical translation project. The author of the preface of his book is well-known and respected in my field. Best regards, Matthew
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that there is a risk of Argyria; there is no risk; when used as directed by some of these companies, one will get argyria. Some MSP providers suggest a very low dosage, which keeps silver intake below EPA-RISK established toxicity levels. However, users seldom follow the instructions, and I question whether or not a drop of mild silver protein @ 750 - 5000 PPM would be effective via oral use. I find it very hard to speculate on isolated silver's action in the body; what exactly transpires which allows highly ionic CS to maintain effectiveness. Concerning the modern chemistry view of what happens to silver upon ingestion, there really isn't one. I have not been able to substantiate the basic statements like ionic silver is converted to silver chloride, end of story, when I've had brief opportunities to pose the question to qualified organic chemists. Two told me that they could think of a dozen possible reactions in-vivo that would possibly explain maintained bioavailability of silver ions, but that speculation really wasn't that valueable without extensive study. It would be nice to find an organic chemist that could -- and would -- do the work! Silver ions have a have life of seven seconds ( or less ) in the bloodstream. This is a good point. However, anectdotal evidence suggests that at some point, the silver ion may again be liberated. It's hard to say one way or the other, but the mounting evidence suggests that there is more to the story than silver ions becoming silver chloride. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: CSOligodynamism Hi, Jason, Thanks for your valuable information! I wonder if the original purpose of MPS is being neglected. According to Searle, Henry Crooke invented MPS in 1910-1913 and it wasn't for stabilization during storage before being dispensed. If I am reading Searle correctly, Crooke wanted CS to be stabilized for isotonicity in the presence of serum following an intravenous or intramuscular administration. If I am correct, perhaps MPS for CS that will be taken orally is just a big waste, or worse. Searle suggests on page 56 of his book that chlorine ions contribute essentially to the stabilization of some sols. Could it be possible that gastric HCl protects CS, rather than destabilizing or destroying it. It seems counter to familiar principles of chemistry except that, after all, colloids are a separate physical state, not just ordinary chemical reagents. I would like to know more about your reference to non-hertzian energy or standing waves. Do these have anything to do with scalar longitudinal waves that have been attributed to Maxwell's equations in their quaternionic formulation? Your quoted material from Dr Savely Yurkovsky is very intriguing. Do you know him personally? I am just curious because I may be going to his former neighborhood (Coney Island-Brighton Beach, Little Odessa) soon to study technical Ukrainian for a biomedical translation project. The author of the preface of his book is well-known and respected in my field. Best regards, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
