Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

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Where is a good place to buy the MAG oil at a good price?   Ed/



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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[mborgert]

It could help, all he can do is try.
No, it is not expensive 12 oz 7.00 they also sell by the gallon. I cut it by 
1/2 seems to work but he could use full strength.
It is the best deod. I have found.
I use it under my makeup.

Mary

-- Original message --
From: Deborah Gerard 
>
> Hi Mary...is it very expensive? I have a son in law with degenerative disks 
> and 
> goes for injections. Would this help the deep pain he has? thanks much debbie
> 
> mborg...@att.net wrote:  Mary here,
> I take mag oil: for energy, under arms will get directly to the lymph glands, 
> spray on top of hands, and feet. This will last about 6 hrs
> 
> after brushing I spray on my gums( I have gum recession due to an 
> accident)and 
> swish in the mouth.
> 
> Use it in the bath all over the body.
> 
> 
>
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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[Deborah Gerard]

Hi Mary...is it very expensive? I have a son in law with degenerative disks and 
goes for injections. Would this help the deep pain he has? thanks much debbie

mborg...@att.net wrote:  Mary here,
I take mag oil: for energy, under arms will get directly to the lymph glands, 
spray on top of hands, and feet. This will last about 6 hrs

after brushing I spray on my gums( I have gum recession due to an accident)and 
swish in the mouth.

Use it in the bath all over the body.


   
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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[mborgert]

Mary here,
I take mag oil:  for energy, under arms will get directly to the lymph glands, 
spray on top of hands, and feet. This will last about 6 hrs

after brushing I spray on my gums( I have gum recession due to an accident)and 
swish in the mouth.
 
Use it in the bath all over the body.

On bottom of feet for everything else.

Any time I have pain I spray it where the pain is, pain is gone within 20 
minutes.

My mom's arteries had calcified,according to doc, I sprayed it directly on the 
skin where the arteries are, within one month the calcification was gone,doc 
checked her, I also gave this internally in her morning coffee.
My mom had congestive heart failure every time she went to the hospital they 
gave her mag ivs.

I also keeps ph up there in the high 7's.

Although I am in my middle 60's  I clean houses as a sideline, my back can hurt 
after lugging the vacuum up and down 2 or three flights of stairs, I bring the 
spray with me and spray it on, pain is gone
 
I have nothing wrong with me and I plan on keeping it that way.

Mary

-- Original message --
From: jessie70 
>
> Shiona, how do you take the mag oil, internally? Jess
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:47 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy
> 
> 
> Shiona,
> 
> I take mag oil every day, it does increase energy, makes teeth stronger and
> just about everything else.
> Brooks had an excellent article on mag.
> More info is on mgwater.com.
> I do have the Doctors book on transdermal Mag Therapy, great reading.
> Mary
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Shiona Phillips 
> >
> > Over on the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/  list there has
> > been a discussion over the last few days on the subject of transdermal
> > magnesium chloride which involves applying magnesium chloride oil to the
> > skin, which is apparently a very effective way of getting it into the
> > body, using oil derived from brine solutions from seawater. I haven't
> > tried it myself but it looks interesting ...
> >
> > This is the home page of Dr. Mark Sircus, the author of a recommended
> > book "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/
> >
> > " There are over 200 published clinical studies[iii] documenting the
> > need for magnesium and many examples of miraculous “cures” from the use
> > of this common mineral. Even DAN (Defeat Autism Now) doctors
> > underestimate autistic children’s needs recommending only 50 milligrams
> > twice a day in oral form. Not much of that is going to get into the
> > children’s blood and cells because oral administration of magnesium is
> > not absorbed readily and is made less available because of all the
> > problems in these kids’ GI systems. Professor Gilbert LeLord of France
> > published six studies evaluating the use of vitamin B6 with magnesium,
> > on autistic children and adults. Their studies typically used as much as
> > 500 milligrams of magnesium with more than satisfactory results.
> >
> > According to Dr. Norman Shealy oral magnesium supplementation takes
> > between 6 to 12 months to restore intracellular levels whereas a
> > transdermally applied magnesium lotion with 25% magnesium chloride
> > restores intracellular levels within 4 to 6 weeks. Some nutritional
> > experts now believe that 750 milligrams of magnesium supplement per day
> > is a more physiologic[iv] recommendation but to take that much orally
> > might upset the digestive system, cause diarrhea, and end up not being
> > properly absorbed.
> >
> > Good sources of magnesium include whole grains, nuts, peanut butter,
> > cottonseed, peanut and soybean flours, green leafy vegetables and
> > spices. It's better to get magnesium from foods rather than supplements
> > because high doses have a laxative effect--the body's way of preventing
> > toxic levels. But unfortunately we have to come to terms with the fact
> > that the food values of magnesium have been dropping over the last fifty
> > years making it extremely difficult to receive all we need from foods.
> > The International Medical Veritas Association recommends a system of
> > transdermal magnesium therapy that bypasses the problems evident with
> > oral magnesium supplementation. (See treatment recommendations) "
> >
> >
> > Shiona
> >
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Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[Shiona Phillips]

jessie70 wrote:


Shiona, how do you take the mag oil, internally? Jess

 


Hi Jessie,

It appears that the oil is very similar to other forms of liquid 
minerals such as Concentrace, so no doubt can be taken in similar 
dosages internally (and apparently the only side effect from taking too 
much would be a laxative one, as with Vitamin C) but Dr Sircus's website 
highlights the advantages of applying transdermal applications of the 
oil such as adding a couple of ounces in a bath, or footbath, or using a 
body spray. The theory is that applying the oil to the skin is a much 
more effective and faster way of getting higher doses into the body 
without side effects, than by taking oral supplements (and also avoids 
the possible dangers of polluted pharmaceutical grade magnesium products).


>From his website:

http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/dosage.shtml.

There is no specific information about oral magnesium chloride in liquid 
form but it is reasonably safe to assume it would be more absorbable 
than magnesium taurate. Liquid minerals are thought to be much more 
absorbable than tablets.


3-5 sprays of magnesium chloride in a glass of pure water is an
excellent way to take magnesium internally. It assists digestion,
counteracts excess acidity in the stomach, and delivers magnesium
swiftly into the bloodstream for distribution to all the cells of the body.

Daniel Reid
Tao of Detoxification

The taste of the solution is not very good (it has a bitter-saltish 
flavor) so a little of fruit juice (grapefruit, orange, lemon) can be 
added to the solution. Individuals with very sensitive taste buds may 
start using it in tiny amounts mixed with strongly flavoured food and 
increase doses very gradually. Alternatively, drink it in one gulp 
dissolved in water while pinching your nose and quickly drink something 
pleasant afterwards.


Daniel Reid says, “Using Magnesium Oil is the quickest and most 
convenient way to transmit magnesium chloride into the cells and tissues 
through the skin. 2-3 sprays under each armpit function as a highly 
effective deodorant, while at the same time transporting magnesium 
swiftly through the thin skin into the glands, lymph channels, and 
bloodstream, for distribution throughout the body. Spray it onto the 
back of the hand or the top of the feet any time of day or night for 
continuous magnesium absorption. Regardless of where you apply the spray 
on the body, once it penetrates the surface of the skin, the body 
transports it to whichever tissues need magnesium most.”


Dr. Norm Shealy recommends using 6-8 oz in each bath you take when you 
use his suggested magnesium chloride product, which is a food grade 
magnesium chloride. With the Magnesium Oil that we recommend using, the 
recommended amount per bath is only 2 oz. The cost and the amount you 
use is dependent on the concentration of the magnesium oil used. The 
magnesium oil we recommend is 30–35 percent Magnesium Chloride as 
opposed to 25 percent for Dr. Shealy’s oil. It’s the difference between 
using MgCl2 evaporated from sea water and MgCl2-6H2O powder to make the 
oil.


The magnesium oil also comes in a gel (lower concentration for massage) 
form as well as a small bottle with a spray pump for easy application to 
the skin. All massage therapists should be using the gel, and even 
families, for it is always a good idea to combine a massage with a 
magnesium treatment. The oil, which is not an oil actually, (it just has 
an oily consistency), is also usable in massage applications. If we 
really appreciated how important it is to make sure our magnesium levels 
are satisfactory we would be spraying our underarms with it everyday, 
spraying it on to different parts of our body and would never leave it 
out of our baths."



Shiona








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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[jessie70]

Shiona, how do you take the mag oil, internally? Jess

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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:47 AM
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Shiona,

I take mag oil every day, it does increase energy, makes teeth stronger and
just about everything else.
Brooks had an excellent article on mag.
More info is on mgwater.com.
I do have the Doctors book on transdermal Mag Therapy, great reading.
Mary

-- Original message --
From: Shiona Phillips 
>
> Over on the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/  list there has
> been a discussion over the last few days on the subject of transdermal
> magnesium chloride which involves applying magnesium chloride oil to the
> skin, which is apparently a very effective way of getting it into the
> body, using oil derived from brine solutions from seawater. I haven't
> tried it myself but it looks interesting ...
>
> This is the home page of Dr. Mark Sircus, the author of a recommended
> book "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/
>
> " There are over 200 published clinical studies[iii] documenting the
> need for magnesium and many examples of miraculous “cures” from the use
> of this common mineral. Even DAN (Defeat Autism Now) doctors
> underestimate autistic children’s needs recommending only 50 milligrams
> twice a day in oral form. Not much of that is going to get into the
> children’s blood and cells because oral administration of magnesium is
> not absorbed readily and is made less available because of all the
> problems in these kids’ GI systems. Professor Gilbert LeLord of France
> published six studies evaluating the use of vitamin B6 with magnesium,
> on autistic children and adults. Their studies typically used as much as
> 500 milligrams of magnesium with more than satisfactory results.
>
> According to Dr. Norman Shealy oral magnesium supplementation takes
> between 6 to 12 months to restore intracellular levels whereas a
> transdermally applied magnesium lotion with 25% magnesium chloride
> restores intracellular levels within 4 to 6 weeks. Some nutritional
> experts now believe that 750 milligrams of magnesium supplement per day
> is a more physiologic[iv] recommendation but to take that much orally
> might upset the digestive system, cause diarrhea, and end up not being
> properly absorbed.
>
> Good sources of magnesium include whole grains, nuts, peanut butter,
> cottonseed, peanut and soybean flours, green leafy vegetables and
> spices. It's better to get magnesium from foods rather than supplements
> because high doses have a laxative effect--the body's way of preventing
> toxic levels. But unfortunately we have to come to terms with the fact
> that the food values of magnesium have been dropping over the last fifty
> years making it extremely difficult to receive all we need from foods.
> The International Medical Veritas Association recommends a system of
> transdermal magnesium therapy that bypasses the problems evident with
> oral magnesium supplementation. (See treatment recommendations) "
>
>
> Shiona
>
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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[ruth strackbein]

Thanks for all your information, Shiona,  I'm afraid these products may be too 
expensive for me right now. I am leery of things that I have to buy in bulk at 
large prices.  So often it turns out that I can't use these things after all. 
This one, though sounds so good that I may be tempted to try it.  
RuthFrom Ruth Strackbein> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 
11:26:05 +0100> From: hyasy...@freenetname.co.uk> To: silver-list@eskimo.com> 
Subject: Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy> > ruth strackbein 
wrote:> > >> > Hi, I am very interested in the Magnesium Chloride Oil, but on > 
> skimming through your post and the information from the address you > > gave, 
I see nothing that tells me where to buy Magnesium Chloride Oil > > or how much 
it costs. Ruth> > > Hi Ruth,> > A couple of sites that were recommended and who 
are both selling the > same product at $72 for half a gallon.> > Global Light 
Network:> http://www.globallight.net/Magnesium-Oil-Half-Gallon.html> > > Ocean 
Magnesium Products:> > 
http://www.oceanmagnesium.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=106> > > Apparently 
the Global Light Network product is thought highly of by many > people, 
including Dr Sircus and also another doctor, Carole Dean who > wrote "The 
Miracle of Magnesium". However Dr Sircus although previously > recommending 
their product, now recommends a new source of Magnesium oil > from Europe which 
he says is the purest form he's found yet and it will > be available in the US 
in a few months through a company called LL's > Magnetic Clay> > Here's a link 
to the European Magnesium :> > http://www.ancientminerals.eu/index1.html > 
<http://www.ancientminerals.eu/index1.html>> > and LL's Magnetic Clay :> > 
http://www.magneticclay.com/ <http://www.magneticclay.com/>> > > 
<http://tinyurl.com/2fwrd5>Here's what Dr Sircus had to say on his > mailing 
list about Global Light's Magnesium oil.> > > "Magnesium Oil, a solution 
gathered by salt water evaporation has been > our favorite magnesium chloride 
solution until now. I have been > recommending a product from Global Light 
Network and I have seen it do > miracles, even saving the life of my oldest 
online friend. But recently > I have received hints of problems when I was in 
the interior of Brazil > sitting clinic with Dr. Augusto Vinholis. We had 
ordered a gallon of > magnesium oil and what came in the magnesium oil bottle 
was magnesium > gel. Global Light was very unresponsive and seemed not to think 
it was > important.> I am aware that Global Light had hired an FDA consultant 
to put a > quality program together, but, instead, after a few months, decided 
> against instituting a full quality assurance program. Without such a > 
program their product does not meet minimum requirements and should be > 
re-filtered before any more is sold. It is disturbing to find problems > like 
this especially in the face of something so necessary and positive > in terms 
of furthering the health and recovery of many people from > serious disease. 
Because of this the IMVA can no longer can no longer > reccomend Global Light's 
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Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[Shiona Phillips]

ruth strackbein wrote:



Hi, I am very interested in the Magnesium Chloride Oil, but on 
skimming through your post and the information from the address you 
gave, I see nothing that tells me where to buy Magnesium Chloride Oil 
or how much it costs.  Ruth



Hi Ruth,

A couple of sites that were recommended and who are both selling the 
same product at $72 for half a gallon.


Global Light Network:
http://www.globallight.net/Magnesium-Oil-Half-Gallon.html


Ocean Magnesium Products:

http://www.oceanmagnesium.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=106


Apparently the Global Light Network product is thought highly of by many 
people, including Dr Sircus and also another doctor, Carole Dean who 
wrote "The Miracle of Magnesium".  However Dr Sircus although previously 
recommending their product, now recommends a new source of Magnesium oil 
from Europe which he says is the purest form he's found yet and it will 
be available in the US in a few months through a company called LL's 
Magnetic Clay


Here's a link to the European Magnesium :

http://www.ancientminerals.eu/index1.html 



and LL's Magnetic Clay :

http://www.magneticclay.com/ 


Here's what Dr Sircus had to say on his 
mailing list about Global Light's Magnesium oil.



"Magnesium Oil, a solution gathered by salt water evaporation has been 
our favorite magnesium chloride solution until now. I have been 
recommending a product from Global Light Network and I have seen it do 
miracles, even saving the life of my oldest online friend. But recently 
I have received hints of problems when I was in the interior of Brazil 
sitting clinic with Dr. Augusto Vinholis. We had ordered a gallon of 
magnesium oil and what came in the magnesium oil bottle was magnesium 
gel. Global Light was very unresponsive and seemed not to think it was 
important.
I am aware that Global Light had hired an FDA consultant to put a 
quality program together, but, instead, after a few months, decided 
against instituting a full quality assurance program. Without such a 
program their product does not meet minimum requirements and should be 
re-filtered before any more is sold. It is disturbing to find problems 
like this especially in the face of something so necessary and positive 
in terms of furthering the health and recovery of many people from 
serious disease. Because of this the IMVA can no longer can no longer 
reccomend Global Light's products."




Shiona








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RE: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[ruth strackbein]

From Ruth StrackbeinHi, I am very interested in the 
Magnesium Chloride Oil, but on skimming through your post and the information 
from the address you gave, I see nothing that tells me where to buy Magnesium 
Chloride Oil or how much it costs.  Ruth> From: mborg...@att.net> To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal 
Therapy> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:47:22 +> > Shiona,> > I take mag oil 
every day, it does increase energy, makes teeth stronger and just about 
everything else.> Brooks had an excellent article on mag.> More info is on 
mgwater.com.> I do have the Doctors book on transdermal Mag Therapy, great 
reading.> Mary> > -- Original message --> From: 
Shiona Phillips > >> > Over on the 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/ list there has > > been a discussion 
over the last few days on the subject of transdermal > > magnesium chloride 
which involves applying magnesium chloride oil to the > > skin, which is 
apparently a very effective way of getting it into the > > body, using oil 
derived from brine solutions from seawater. I haven't > > tried it myself but 
it looks interesting ...> > > > This is the home page of Dr. Mark Sircus, the 
author of a recommended > > book "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" 
http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/> > > > " There are over 200 published clinical 
studies[iii] documenting the > > need for magnesium and many examples of 
miraculous “cures” from the use > > of this common mineral. Even DAN (Defeat 
Autism Now) doctors > > underestimate autistic children’s needs recommending 
only 50 milligrams > > twice a day in oral form. Not much of that is going to 
get into the > > children’s blood and cells because oral administration of 
magnesium is > > not absorbed readily and is made less available because of all 
the > > problems in these kids’ GI systems. Professor Gilbert LeLord of France 
> > published six studies evaluating the use of vitamin B6 with magnesium, > > 
on autistic children and adults. Their studies typically used as much as > > 
500 milligrams of magnesium with more than satisfactory results.> > > > 
According to Dr. Norman Shealy oral magnesium supplementation takes > > between 
6 to 12 months to restore intracellular levels whereas a > > transdermally 
applied magnesium lotion with 25% magnesium chloride > > restores intracellular 
levels within 4 to 6 weeks. Some nutritional > > experts now believe that 750 
milligrams of magnesium supplement per day > > is a more physiologic[iv] 
recommendation but to take that much orally > > might upset the digestive 
system, cause diarrhea, and end up not being > > properly absorbed.> > > > Good 
sources of magnesium include whole grains, nuts, peanut butter, > > cottonseed, 
peanut and soybean flours, green leafy vegetables and > > spices. It's better 
to get magnesium from foods rather than supplements > > because high doses have 
a laxative effect--the body's way of preventing > > toxic levels. But 
unfortunately we have to come to terms with the fact > > that the food values 
of magnesium have been dropping over the last fifty > > years making it 
extremely difficult to receive all we need from foods. > > The International 
Medical Veritas Association recommends a system of > > transdermal magnesium 
therapy that bypasses the problems evident with > > oral magnesium 
supplementation. (See treatment recommendations) "> > > > > > Shiona> > > > > > 
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Re: CS>Magnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy

[mborgert]

Shiona,

I take mag oil every day, it does increase energy, makes teeth stronger and 
just about everything else.
Brooks had an excellent article on mag.
More info is on mgwater.com.
I do have the Doctors book on transdermal Mag Therapy, great reading.
Mary

-- Original message --
From: Shiona Phillips 
>
> Over on the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/  list there has 
> been a discussion over the last few days on the subject of transdermal 
> magnesium chloride which involves applying magnesium chloride oil to the 
> skin, which is apparently a very effective way of getting it into the 
> body, using oil derived from brine solutions from seawater. I haven't 
> tried it myself but it looks interesting ...
> 
> This is the home page of Dr. Mark Sircus, the author of a recommended 
> book "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/
> 
> " There are over 200 published clinical studies[iii] documenting the 
> need for magnesium and many examples of miraculous “cures” from the use 
> of this common mineral. Even DAN (Defeat Autism Now) doctors 
> underestimate autistic children’s needs recommending only 50 milligrams 
> twice a day in oral form. Not much of that is going to get into the 
> children’s blood and cells because oral administration of magnesium is 
> not absorbed readily and is made less available because of all the 
> problems in these kids’ GI systems. Professor Gilbert LeLord of France 
> published six studies evaluating the use of vitamin B6 with magnesium, 
> on autistic children and adults. Their studies typically used as much as 
> 500 milligrams of magnesium with more than satisfactory results.
> 
> According to Dr. Norman Shealy oral magnesium supplementation takes 
> between 6 to 12 months to restore intracellular levels whereas a 
> transdermally applied magnesium lotion with 25% magnesium chloride 
> restores intracellular levels within 4 to 6 weeks. Some nutritional 
> experts now believe that 750 milligrams of magnesium supplement per day 
> is a more physiologic[iv] recommendation but to take that much orally 
> might upset the digestive system, cause diarrhea, and end up not being 
> properly absorbed.
> 
> Good sources of magnesium include whole grains, nuts, peanut butter, 
> cottonseed, peanut and soybean flours, green leafy vegetables and 
> spices. It's better to get magnesium from foods rather than supplements 
> because high doses have a laxative effect--the body's way of preventing 
> toxic levels. But unfortunately we have to come to terms with the fact 
> that the food values of magnesium have been dropping over the last fifty 
> years making it extremely difficult to receive all we need from foods. 
> The International Medical Veritas Association recommends a system of 
> transdermal magnesium therapy that bypasses the problems evident with 
> oral magnesium supplementation. (See treatment recommendations) "
> 
> 
> Shiona
> 
> 
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