Re: CS>information

[PT Ferrance]

I didn't think so but didn't know if it would do anything to the 
silver.Thanks.PT
 

On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 3:00:12 PM EST, Da Darrin 
 wrote:  
 
 PT  oil floats on the top of the water so I think you couldn't evaporate it 
off without vigorously boiling the solution, might be possible. 

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 9:27 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

With EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve and not 
a lotion.
If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil and heat 
it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the oil?
Thanks Ode.PT
 

On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 10:38:27 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:  
 
 you need to use an emulsifier
http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/category/Emulsifiers_Co_Emulsifiers/c25/
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

Hi,Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
make a silver salve.
Thanks.PT



  
  

Re: CS>information

[PT Ferrance]

youtube has been purging alternative medicine  videos since google became a 
pharmaceutical company.PT


 

On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 1:57:04 PM EST, Lynn Greene 
 wrote:  
 
 youtube claims this video does not exist.Lynn


On Nov 10, 2019, at 10:52 AM,   
wrote:
This video shows a way to make a cream which is 50% olive oil and 50% water. 
The water portion could be 50 ppm EIS produced from an Atlasnova Ultra 
CSGenerator. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gk...d=YPsJctUFfUo_id=annotation_966849Zarathushtra:
 "With an open mind, seek and listen to all the highest ideals. Consider the 
most enlightened thoughts. Then choose your path, person by person, each for 
oneself."  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  From: Jean Baugh
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 10:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>information  How about natural evaporation to make strong EIS 
solution?  Jean    
On Nov 10, 2019, at 11:27 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:  With 
EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve and not a 
lotion.  If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil 
and heat it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the 
oil?


  

Re: CS>information

[Da Darrin]

PT  oil floats on the top of the water so I think you couldn't evaporate it
off without vigorously boiling the solution, might be possible.

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 9:27 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> With EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve
> and not a lotion.
>
> If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil and
> heat it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the
> oil?
>
> Thanks Ode.
> PT
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 10:38:27 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> you need to use an emulsifier
>
> http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/category/Emulsifiers_Co_Emulsifiers/c25/
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want
> to make a silver salve.
>
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>

Re: CS>information

[Lynn Greene]

youtube claims this video does not exist.
Lynn

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 10:52 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> This video shows a way to make a cream which is 50% olive oil and 50% water. 
> The water portion could be 50 ppm EIS produced from an Atlasnova Ultra 
> CSGenerator. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gk...d=YPsJctUFfUo_id=annotation_966849
>  
> 
> Zarathushtra: "With an open mind, seek and listen to all the highest ideals. 
> Consider the most enlightened thoughts. Then choose your path, person by 
> person, each for oneself."
>  
> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10
>  
> From: Jean Baugh 
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 10:42 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: CS>information
>  
> How about natural evaporation to make strong EIS solution?
>  
> Jean
>  
> 
>  
> On Nov 10, 2019, at 11:27 AM, PT Ferrance  > wrote:
>  
> With EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve and 
> not a lotion.
>  
> If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil and 
> heat it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the oil?

RE: CS>information

[abeland1]

This video shows a way to make a cream which is 50% olive oil and 50% water. 
The water portion could be 50 ppm EIS produced from an Atlasnova Ultra 
CSGenerator. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gk...d=YPsJctUFfUo_id=annotation_966849
Zarathushtra: "With an open mind, seek and listen to all the highest ideals. 
Consider the most enlightened thoughts. Then choose your path, person by 
person, each for oneself."

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jean Baugh
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 10:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>information

How about natural evaporation to make strong EIS solution?

Jean



On Nov 10, 2019, at 11:27 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

With EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve and not 
a lotion.

If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil and heat 
it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the oil?

Re: CS>information

[PT Ferrance]

With EIS?  I'm trying to keep the water out of this since it is a salve and not 
a lotion.
If I were to make a strong EIS solution and then mix it with some oil and heat 
it to evaporate the water, would I harm the sliver remaining in the oil?
Thanks Ode.PT
 

On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 10:38:27 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:  
 
 you need to use an emulsifier
http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/category/Emulsifiers_Co_Emulsifiers/c25/
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

Hi,Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
make a silver salve.
Thanks.PT



  

Re: CS>information

[Ode Coyote]

you need to use an emulsifier

http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/category/Emulsifiers_Co_Emulsifiers/c25/

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want
> to make a silver salve.
>
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>

Re: CS>information

[MaryAnn Helland]

 Ode sells a kit with which you can make a silver salve.MA
On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 01:50:27 PM CST, PT Ferrance 
 wrote:  
 
 No mag oil... it isn't an oil anyway.  
I'm looking to make a silver salve like Tel used to make.PT
 

On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 2:25:28 PM EST, Da Darrin 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't know about a salve but you can make Mag Oil withe CS  as Mag oil isn't 
actually oil but feels like it and goes on and sinks in like aloe.Dave

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:18 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

Hi,Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
make a silver salve.
Thanks.PT

Re: CS>information

[PT Ferrance]

No mag oil... it isn't an oil anyway.  
I'm looking to make a silver salve like Tel used to make.PT
 

On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 2:25:28 PM EST, Da Darrin 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't know about a salve but you can make Mag Oil withe CS  as Mag oil isn't 
actually oil but feels like it and goes on and sinks in like aloe.Dave

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:18 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

Hi,Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
make a silver salve.
Thanks.PT



  

Re: CS>information

[PT Ferrance]

Is that silver powder?  Or EIS?  Cannot use aloe... allergies.Thanks..PT
 

On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 2:26:18 PM EST, Marshalee Hallett 
 wrote:  
 
 My friend mixes silver and a few drops of melaleuca oil (aka tea tree oil) 
into some Aloe Vera gel, and it really works well for her!

Sent from my iPad
On Nov 9, 2019, at 12:08 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:


Hi,Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
make a silver salve.
Thanks.PT



  

Re: CS>information

[Marshalee Hallett]

My friend mixes silver and a few drops of melaleuca oil (aka tea tree oil) into 
some Aloe Vera gel, and it really works well for her!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 12:08 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want to 
> make a silver salve.
> 
> Thanks.
> PT
> 
> 

Re: CS>information

[Da Darrin]

I don't know about a salve but you can make Mag Oil withe CS  as Mag oil
isn't actually oil but feels like it and goes on and sinks in like aloe.
Dave

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:18 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone know how to get silver into an oil instead of water?  I want
> to make a silver salve.
>
> Thanks.
> PT
>
>
>

RE: CS information needed

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

HI everyone,

Once again, the issue of what is dissolved, ionic, or a charged 
colloidal particle arises.

Bruce does think the silver made by his devices has a positive charge.  He 
does not think the charge is generated in the same manner as the charge 
exists on a single Ag atom which is presenting its valence charge.

I believe when Bruce speaks of ionic silver he means a single atom, 
dissolved in the water, with its outer shell receptive to bonding with 
another atom.  A colloidal particle is positive, but not as reactive as the 
monoatomic silver.

How the positive charge is created is not know by me.   Since charge is 
quantatized(sp?) , it means there is either a missing electron or an extra 
proton somewhere.   Or, something else?   Could an  ionized hydrogen 
nucleus from the water be somehow stuck to the silver cluster?  I wish I 
could go back to school...

James Osbourne, Holmes

a...@trail.com

-Original Message-
From:   roesil...@aol.com [SMTP:roesil...@aol.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 14, 1999 5:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS information needed

In a message dated 9/13/1999 8:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
a...@trail.com
writes:

  I have never talked with anyone
 making HVAC who thinks the particles are not charged.
  
Bruce at CS pro says that the HVAC by and large is not 'ionized'. Wouldn't
this be referring to a 'charge'?  He mentions small adjustments during the
batching that would help prevent ionization such as readjusting arc bars
above the water so that the unit continues to pull cones throughout the 
batch
instead of arcing.States the particiles are too big to dissolve and too 
small to aggregate and clump out and settle.

Ian


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RE: CS information needed

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Must both electrodes consist of silver?  It would seem that if direct 
current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow 
of current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could 
be set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process.

Nix the SS electrodes: we don't need ionized OR colloidal nickel.

See: http://www.clspress.com/silver.html

Some of the info in Dr. Hill's study of CS needs updating; particularly the 
gold color being optimal, but this is a solid reference regarding toxicity 
and past successful use of CS by official medicine.

James Osbourne, Holmes

a...@trail.com

-Original Message-
From:   Jeffrey A. Madore [SMTP:k...@uconect.net]
Sent:   Monday, September 13, 1999 5:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:CS information needed

Hi all. My name is Jeff and I am new to the silver list. I have Chronic CNS 
Lyme Disease, have tried many antibiotic routines with limited success,
and am interested in making and experimenting with colloidal silver. Please 
bear with me as I am relatively uninformed as to the production, use and
efficacy of CS.  I have some questions that some of you may be able to help 
me with.

1. What exactly is the form of silver, that I am looking to produce, that 
is an effective antibiotic?  I'd like to understand the science. It appears
that colloidal silver consists of silver particles held in solution. Are 
these particles just extremely small or does their ionic state maintain 
them
within the solution, such that the solution is fairly homogeneous?

2. I hear of precipitate forming on the bottom of the container while 
brewing. Is this due to excessive current density, as seen in a lead acid 
cell,
that causes flaking of the electrodes. Would the use of electrodes with a 
larger surface area be more effective in this process.

3. I hear of many different voltages being used. When HVAC is used, is the 
voltage applied to the electrodes AC? If so, what is the advantage of using
AC vs DC.

4. I have, or can put together from parts, sources that will put out AC or 
DC at voltages from 0 to 20 kv or more...probably could go higher if I put
my mind to it, and am experienced in working with HV supplies. Where would 
be a good place to begin?  Can someone describe a typical setup?

5. I understand that the conductivity of the electrolyte increases during 
the process. Should some form of current limiting be employed, such that 
the
voltage is reduced, to avoide excessive current density? Is natural 
convection of the electrolyte sufficient to maintain an even current 
density?

6. Must both electrodes consist of silver?  It would seem that if direct 
current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow 
of
current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could be 
set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process.

7. Is the higher concentration (PPM) silver more effective in treating an 
infection? I have seen numbers ranging from a few ppm to many hundreds of
ppm. And, is there a point where the concentration / dose has shown 
toxicity when taken internally?

I guess this is a good start. Any and all information would be very much 
appreciated.

Jeff - K1LE  CT


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Re: CS information needed

[d.linen]

James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:
 
 Must both electrodes consist of silver?  It would seem that if direct
 current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow
 of current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could
 be set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process.
 
 Nix the SS electrodes: we don't need ionized OR colloidal nickel.

h... thank you for this answer. I hadn't thought of it in this way. 

Diane


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RE: CS information needed

[O2 Communication]

Hi!  thank you for an interesting site reference - it prompted me to ask the
question :  Are opaque plastic bottles okay for storing cs?   I've had
advice given me that;
1. the static of the plastic attracts silver mollecules and they adhere to
the sides of the bottle
2. that the positive properties of the plastic repel the silver mollecules
???
I'm not a techno/chemico fundie, as you may have gathered, hence the call
for help

Many thanks
Yvonne
x
-Original Message-
From: BROOKS BRADLEY [mailto:liat...@flash.net]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS information needed


Dear Jeffrey.
Although there are many; sites available for useful
information;  both technical and general, here is a url that will give you a
basis
familiarity with the substance, plus some of its applications.
http://www.jovo.com.hk/cs.htmThis is a site dedicated to one of our
recently
deceased Dutch friends.
I hope the information is an aid to you.
Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.
Jeffrey A. Madore wrote:

 Hi all. My name is Jeff and I am new to the silver list. I have Chronic
CNS Lyme Disease, have tried many antibiotic routines with limited success,
 and am interested in making and experimenting with colloidal silver.
Please bear with me as I am relatively uninformed as to the production, use
and
 efficacy of CS.  I have some questions that some of you may be able to
help me with.

 1. What exactly is the form of silver, that I am looking to produce, that
is an effective antibiotic?  I'd like to understand the science. It appears
 that colloidal silver consists of silver particles held in solution. Are
these particles just extremely small or does their ionic state maintain them
 within the solution, such that the solution is fairly homogeneous?

 2. I hear of precipitate forming on the bottom of the container while
brewing. Is this due to excessive current density, as seen in a lead acid
cell,
 that causes flaking of the electrodes. Would the use of electrodes with a
larger surface area be more effective in this process.

 3. I hear of many different voltages being used. When HVAC is used, is the
voltage applied to the electrodes AC? If so, what is the advantage of using
 AC vs DC.

 4. I have, or can put together from parts, sources that will put out AC or
DC at voltages from 0 to 20 kv or more...probably could go higher if I put
 my mind to it, and am experienced in working with HV supplies. Where would
be a good place to begin?  Can someone describe a typical setup?

 5. I understand that the conductivity of the electrolyte increases during
the process. Should some form of current limiting be employed, such that the
 voltage is reduced, to avoide excessive current density? Is natural
convection of the electrolyte sufficient to maintain an even current
density?

 6. Must both electrodes consist of silver?  It would seem that if direct
current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow
of
 current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could
be set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process.

 7. Is the higher concentration (PPM) silver more effective in treating an
infection? I have seen numbers ranging from a few ppm to many hundreds of
 ppm. And, is there a point where the concentration / dose has shown
toxicity when taken internally?

 I guess this is a good start. Any and all information would be very much
appreciated.

 Jeff - K1LE  CT

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Re: CS information needed

[Roesilver]

In a message dated 9/13/1999 8:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a...@trail.com 
writes:

  I have never talked with anyone 
 making HVAC who thinks the particles are not charged.
  
Bruce at CS pro says that the HVAC by and large is not 'ionized'. Wouldn't 
this be referring to a 'charge'?  He mentions small adjustments during the 
batching that would help prevent ionization such as readjusting arc bars 
above the water so that the unit continues to pull cones throughout the batch 
instead of arcing.States the particiles are too big to dissolve and too 
small to aggregate and clump out and settle.

Ian


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Re: CS information needed

[BROOKS BRADLEY]

Dear Jeffrey.
Although there are many; sites available for useful 
information;  both technical and general, here is a url that will give you a 
basis
familiarity with the substance, plus some of its applications.   
http://www.jovo.com.hk/cs.htmThis is a site dedicated to one of our 
recently
deceased Dutch friends.
I hope the information is an aid to you.
Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.
Jeffrey A. Madore wrote:

 Hi all. My name is Jeff and I am new to the silver list. I have Chronic CNS 
 Lyme Disease, have tried many antibiotic routines with limited success,
 and am interested in making and experimenting with colloidal silver. Please 
 bear with me as I am relatively uninformed as to the production, use and
 efficacy of CS.  I have some questions that some of you may be able to help 
 me with.

 1. What exactly is the form of silver, that I am looking to produce, that is 
 an effective antibiotic?  I'd like to understand the science. It appears
 that colloidal silver consists of silver particles held in solution. Are 
 these particles just extremely small or does their ionic state maintain them
 within the solution, such that the solution is fairly homogeneous?

 2. I hear of precipitate forming on the bottom of the container while 
 brewing. Is this due to excessive current density, as seen in a lead acid 
 cell,
 that causes flaking of the electrodes. Would the use of electrodes with a 
 larger surface area be more effective in this process.

 3. I hear of many different voltages being used. When HVAC is used, is the 
 voltage applied to the electrodes AC? If so, what is the advantage of using
 AC vs DC.

 4. I have, or can put together from parts, sources that will put out AC or DC 
 at voltages from 0 to 20 kv or more...probably could go higher if I put
 my mind to it, and am experienced in working with HV supplies. Where would be 
 a good place to begin?  Can someone describe a typical setup?

 5. I understand that the conductivity of the electrolyte increases during the 
 process. Should some form of current limiting be employed, such that the
 voltage is reduced, to avoide excessive current density? Is natural 
 convection of the electrolyte sufficient to maintain an even current density?

 6. Must both electrodes consist of silver?  It would seem that if direct 
 current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow of
 current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could be 
 set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process.

 7. Is the higher concentration (PPM) silver more effective in treating an 
 infection? I have seen numbers ranging from a few ppm to many hundreds of
 ppm. And, is there a point where the concentration / dose has shown toxicity 
 when taken internally?

 I guess this is a good start. Any and all information would be very much 
 appreciated.

 Jeff - K1LE  CT

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RE: CS information needed

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Hi Mike and Crew,

Re: your statement, ..., as the folks who use the High Voltage AC (HVAC) 
process claim that they produce small uncharged particles...

Certainly not all of us.  I think the particles are charged, but the 
valence charge of the atoms in the cluster is not what is creating it.  The 
charge is called the Zeta potential, and I am still trying to find someone 
who can describe how it comes to be.  I have never talked with anyone 
making HVAC who thinks the particles are not charged.

Once again, thanks for all of your energy keeping this info machine 
running.

James Osbourne, Holmes

a...@trail.com

-Original Message-
From:   M. G. Devour [SMTP:mdev...@mail.id.net]
Sent:   Monday, September 13, 1999 5:34 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS information needed

 Hi all. My name is Jeff and I am new to the silver list. I have
 Chronic CNS Lyme Disease, have tried many antibiotic routines with
 limited success, and am interested in making and experimenting with
 colloidal silver.

Jeff, welcome aboard! We've got some Lyme experts here who will
fill you in on how they treated their conditions. You're in good
company!

You're asking very good questions, below. I'll try to give you my
impression of the range of opinion and whatever consensus has emerged
in the industry and on the silver-list.

 1. What exactly is the form of silver, that I am looking to
 produce, that is an effective antibiotic? I'd like to understand
 the science. It appears that colloidal silver consists of silver
 particles held in solution. Are these particles just extremely small
 or does their ionic state maintain them within the solution, such
 that the solution is fairly homogeneous?

The silver is said to be in the form of small particles in a range of
sizes that make them bioavailable. The numbers vary among different
sources, but are in the neighborhood of 1 to 10 nanometers.

The particles are also supposed to have a charge on them, which helps
to keep them in suspension. This may not be completely necessary, as
the folks who use the High Voltage AC (HVAC) process claim that
they produce small uncharged particles.

After a bit of time, the preparation appears to be *totally*
homogenous, unless you're considering the likely range of size of the
particles in any one batch.

A couple of other remarks:  Your use of the word antibiotic is
probably not precise. CS is unlikely to act in the same fashion as
true antibiotics do. One of our members who has some knowledge of
this told us CS acts mostly as an astringent.

The other thing is your desire to understand the science. This is
exactly what many of us here are engaged in and it is a work in
progress.

Precious little of what you'll find on the web rises to the level of
science. Most of the claims floating around are the result of
rehashing the same handful of early articles in popular magazines and
journals. There is virtually *no* real science for you to refer to.

What we *do* have is a large and growing body of anecdote and a
practical understanding of what's happening as a result of the use
and experimentation of a lot of individuals. Given the expense of
*real* science and the disinterest or overt hostiliy of the
mainstream community, this situation will not change soon.

The members of this list represent a decent collection of knowledge
and wisdom about CS. There's plenty more to be found in the world,
but this isn't a bad place to visit on your way.

 2. I hear of precipitate forming on the bottom of the container
 while brewing. Is this due to excessive current density, as seen in
 a lead acid cell, that causes flaking of the electrodes. Would the
 use of electrodes with a larger surface area be more effective in
 this process.

You've just traveled a *HUGE* distance in one leap! Bravo!

The early, simplest designs used a small lamp to limit current in the
neighborhood of 40 milliamps through a pair of 12 to 16 gauge silver
wires 3 to 4 inches long in a glass of water. They also relied on a
bit of salt or saline solution added to distilled water (some even
recommended using tap water!) to speed things up a bit.

Under the right conditions, these produced a clear CS with a
substantial concentration very rapidly, though we've been told by
some that the particle size is rather on the large side. The product
was and is used my many people without known harm to date and plenty
of reports of success. It does have a more limited shelf life, with
some fallout occurring after some days or a week or two.

Most CS advocates are pushing no salt, distilled water only recipes
nowadays. Here on the list and among some of the vendors, the notion
of current limiting is emerging as a good way to keep the production
of larger particles to a minimum. Now we're talking about only a
couple of milliamps for the same two-wires-in-a-glass setup.

Production takes longer and most recipes have problems with a buildup
of fluff on the electrodes