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Thanks Rodney. Glad to hear that you're not herxing anymore -- hope it means that all of the bugs are killed. I was looking for information specifically on a generator made or sold by Bob Livingston -- can't find any info on Google. MA From: Rodney Samuelson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, September 18, 2011 12:59:48 PM Subject: RE: CS>Generators I bought mine from silver gen and make quart each day. I bought to to deal with Lyme disease and had a Herx for 3 months and now no herx. From:MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Generators Just learned that my cousin-in-law has ordered a CS generator from Bob Livingston -- does anyone know anything about him or his generator? Thanks. MA
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I bought mine from silver gen and make quart each day. I bought to to deal with Lyme disease and had a Herx for 3 months and now no herx. _ From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Generators Just learned that my cousin-in-law has ordered a CS generator from Bob Livingston -- does anyone know anything about him or his generator? Thanks. MA
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Subject: Re: CS>Generators Jut thought I should respond to this post. I have used Colloidal Master for 13 years now and the first one I orderd is still just like new, works well. I use a tiny fish tank bubblier with an in line valuve, and a in line filter, I have made hundreds of gallons with my Colloid Master, This one makes a gallon at a time (Like all of them) Where to buy = (http://www.wishgranted.com) Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. WWW.QuailwoodHerbal.com > > Thanks for your replys to my last question. I > recently asked about a > generator sold to me by Mike Metcalf. I don't know > how good this one is because I > get black residue (flakes) from the silver wires if > I use it for more than > one batch, then I have to clean them. Does anyone > know if this happens > because I have the unit on between batches? I have > been looking at the SiverGen > and the Colloid Master Universal. The colloid > model is at > _www.wishgranted.com_ (http://www.wishgranted.com) . > The Colloid Master has a kit which comes > with a distiller. Both of these seem like much > better units, please give me > any of your opinions. I don't get on line all > everyday but it is good to > talk to others who feel similar to myself with > regard to the silver usage. I > do appreciate the information I have gotten from > this site, thank you, Lynn.
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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Sandee More tips. I only have a 13 gallon holding tank (but it is just for Head, toilet) I use as little as possible water to flush. I have some of the normal blue chemical for toilet in a jug, but it has CS in it also. After flushing I pour some of the blue stuff with CS in it in toilet. This helps smell in Head also. Bob -Original Message- From: Sandee George [mailto:oha...@juno.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators-colloid master Hey there Bob - thanks a million for this tip - I can now pass it on to all my boat friends. Sharing is always the best way to go - Pay it Forward !! Regards Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset http://www.alive-again.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Hey there Bob - thanks a million for this tip - I can now pass it on to all my boat friends. Sharing is always the best way to go - Pay it Forward !! Regards Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset http://www.alive-again.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I like the machine, I never clean the silver coins I use. When it switches polarity the stuff falls off the coins. I just strain through 4 brown coffee filters (a slow drip through filters). I use a plastic tube with a plastic valve on end and regulate flow to drip through multi filters. I brew a gallon at a time it takes a long time depending whether I seed the brew (with some CS). I also use something that stirs the brew, the jar sits on top a rotating magnet. You put a short piece of plastic tube with a metal roller bearing in brew jar and you can see it rotate around mixing the brewing CS. I use Canadian Maple Leaf coins hung on S hooks made from some 99.99 wire I bought from one of the members on this site. I also purchased the stirring device from one of the members also. I have experimented by making my own CS brewer using a DC power source and a 1 mill amp diode current limiter. I made some brewers for friends, when I first started I bought 2 of the Colloidal Masters so I would have a spare. Any constant current brewer is interesting to watch using a volt meter as you can see voltage change when you move silver closer or further apart. The constant Mill Amp limiter changes voltage up or down (with in limits of power source) to matins the rating of the limiter. I have a 5 gallon old glass water jug filled with CS (emergency supply) or is I need a quick gallon to give away. I have a plastic 2 gallon jug with a spick et for use as I need the CS. I use CS in my holding tank (waste) on boat (from head, toilet). I can go some times 2 to 3 months before I need a pump out and it does not smell even in the hot Weather. I also use CS where ever I have a mold problem on boat it stops mold till CS coating is washed away. Bob **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565)
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> I am idly wondering who is the person behind the Colloid Master? There > is quite a bit of information on the site, but I had a bit of trouble > figuring out if it is a constant current machine. Maybe it is just me, > and it is right there staring me in the face. Hi Kathryn. The person who owns WishGranted (Synergenesis) is Vince Goetsch. I believe that it's a constant current machine, but it switches polarity on a timed basis. There used to be a lot more information on the website, but he was forced to remove it. He also no longer sells his booklet *Colloidal Silver Maker & Researcher's Manual*. Sad. MA
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I am idly wondering who is the person behind the Colloid Master? There is quite a bit of information on the site, but I had a bit of trouble figuring out if it is a constant current machine. Maybe it is just me, and it is right there staring me in the face. Kathryn On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Jut thought I should respond to this post. I have used Colloidal Master for 10 years now and the first one I orderd is still just like new, works well. I use a tiny fish tank bubblier with an in line valuve, and a in line filter, I have made hundreds of gallons with my origanal Colloidal Master, This one makes a gallon at a time. (http://www.wishgranted.com) Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- les...@aol.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Jut thought I should respond to this post. I have used Colloidal Master for 10 years now and the first one I orderd is still just like new, works well. I use a tiny fish tank bubblier with an in line valuve, and a in line filter, I have made hundreds of gallons with my origanal Colloidal Master, This one makes a gallon at a time. (http://www.wishgranted.com) Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- les...@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for your replys to my last question. I > recently asked about a > generator sold to me by Mike Metcalf. I don't know > how good this one is because I > get black residue (flakes) from the silver wires if > I use it for more than > one batch, then I have to clean them. Does anyone > know if this happens > because I have the unit on between batches? I have > been looking at the SiverGen > and the Colloid Master Universal. The colloid > model is at > _www.wishgranted.com_ (http://www.wishgranted.com) . > The Colloid Master has a kit which comes > with a distiller. Both of these seem like much > better units, please give me > any of your opinions. I don't get on line all > everyday but it is good to > talk to others who feel similar to myself with > regard to the silver usage. I > do appreciate the information I have gotten from > this site, thank you, Lynn. > > > > **The year's hottest artists on the red > carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) > Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It seems to me that when one is not using a silver generator, it should be turned off, and disconnected from the power supply if necessary. I have heard good things about the silverpuppy generator, too. On Feb 12, 2008, at 10:00 PM, les...@aol.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for your replys to my last question. I recently asked about a generator sold to me by Mike Metcalf. I don't know how good this one is because I get black residue (flakes) from the silver wires if I use it for more than one batch, then I have to clean them. Does anyone know if this happens because I have the unit on between batches? I have been looking at the SiverGen and the Colloid Master Universal. The colloid model is at www.wishgranted.com. The Colloid Master has a kit which comes with a distiller. Both of these seem like much better units, please give me any of your opinions. I don't get on line all everyday but it is good to talk to others who feel similar to myself with regard to the silver usage. I do appreciate the information I have gotten from this site, thank you, Lynn. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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i use a colloid master with an added magnetic stir plate and must clean the silver between batches. sometimes i clean the mid-batch, but usually don't bother. the stronger the batch the more the black builds. the mag stir plate delays/lessens the black and also accelerates the brewing. -Original Message- From: les...@aol.com [mailto:les...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Generators Hi, Thanks for your replys to my last question. I recently asked about a generator sold to me by Mike Metcalf. I don't know how good this one is because I get black residue (flakes) from the silver wires if I use it for more than one batch, then I have to clean them. Does anyone know if this happens because I have the unit on between batches? I have been looking at the SiverGen and the Colloid Master Universal. The colloid model is at www.wishgranted.com. The Colloid Master has a kit which comes with a distiller. Both of these seem like much better units, please give me any of your opinions. I don't get on line all everyday but it is good to talk to others who feel similar to myself with regard to the silver usage. I do appreciate the information I have gotten from this site, thank you, Lynn.
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Mark Metcalf has been selling boxes of batteries for decades for as much as $150 and made a FORTUNE back in the 80s...which he spent. His latest attempt to repeat that gold mine was www.flowerpowergenerator.com where he promoted making your own silver chloride. It apparently didn't go as well with all the better priced, better designed and better quality competition these days. A similar [actually somewhat better] generator can be had for a "decent" price at James Allisons site http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/cs-shop.htm Ode At 01:49 PM 2/5/2008 -0600, you wrote: I do not know about it- what are the details? website, maybe? I googled love 2 geberator, and did not see it. Kathryn On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:03 PM, les...@aol.com wrote: Hi, I am new at making colloidal silver. I have a Love 2 generator that I purchased from Mark Metcalf about 6 mos. ago. I just recently started reading this digest and was curious if anyone had experience with this model? I saw the silverGen SG6A and it looks like it is better unit, more accurate. Any info would be appreciated, thanks, Lynn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008
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I do not know about it- what are the details? website, maybe? I googled love 2 geberator, and did not see it. Kathryn On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:03 PM, les...@aol.com wrote: Hi, I am new at making colloidal silver. I have a Love 2 generator that I purchased from Mark Metcalf about 6 mos. ago. I just recently started reading this digest and was curious if anyone had experience with this model? I saw the silverGen SG6A and it looks like it is better unit, more accurate. Any info would be appreciated, thanks, Lynn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Leslie, At 09:20 AM 7/31/2007, you wrote: what about a solar water distiller? Solar Heaters and Solar Cookers are a different world from Solar Panels that produce voltage to use or charge batteries. You can make a solar cooker from a cardboard box and tinfoil. Mirrors, glass, and other materials make better ones. Don't confuse the two. Solar Panels ( chargers ) , depending on size, are relatively expensive. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi There Ode - thank you for the reality check as per usual well said - Have a super wonderful day Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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what about a solar water distiller? Leslie - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:05 AM Subject: RE: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees A solar cell puts out about one half volt regardless of size. However much area it takes to output a couple of milliamps in full sun is the concern. .03 watts per square centimeter is the power figure I get. It looks like surplus market calculator cells would be a way to go, some wired in parallel for area and some in series for voltage. Ode At 12:12 PM 7/30/2007 -0500, you wrote: Morning Dan, >> At 08:08 AM 7/30/2007, you wrote: If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. Likely this application needs the smallest solar charger in the world. It sure seems like a "Near nothing" solar panel. I would guess, 2 X 2 inches or 3 X 3 inches at most. I read some of the articles ( links on this list, I think ) about home built solar panels. Even in the primitive countries they could come up with the materials. Plus, charity groups make regular donations for some causes.Average income per person is $ 20.00 per year, or less. What surprised me, is that there are a few knowledgeable and educated people in these countries. I feel sure many of them help the ones that are not. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Yes, I agree. Not sure why the person wants to integrate the CS power with other more complex and powerful applications. If he is going to distill water, he must have a reasonable decent and powerful solar cooker. These have been in the evolution stage now for many years so proven ideas exist. I found several small solar panels but they are too expensive for the primitive countries. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
Typically, food distribution is controlled by whatever gangs ["militias"] are in charge in order to control people, so even if the food is made available, it doesn't reach the hungry unless they are doing the bidding of the gangs. Therefore, supplying food just feeds your enemy with power over the local populace...a *no win* situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't This is what "Somalia/ Mogadishu" was all about. All the aid was going into the hands of the war lords at gun point. Deprivation makes any supply all the more powerful a tool. It's the #1 tool of control that any unofficial group has...and since that's "where the food comes from" the *gangs* become your ONLY friend. Your only alternative is to leave...with a very high risk of getting shot in the back as you do. If you DO manage to leave and those you went to don't win, you get shot in the front later on. You can dump tons of food in there but nobody but the local militia and flunkies get to eat. Even if you *find* an MRE, it has to be turned in or you die right now of bullets or cordless hand drills at the hand of fed enforcers, rather than later of hunger. The "Iraqi government" knows full well how it all works. Being not much better than the preferred gang themselves, it wouldn't surprise me that they'd use the same tactics as much as the puppet masters [USA] lets them get away with. And every time they *have to* supply an area they don't control, they know without a doubt they are making the enemy stronger. "Our" problem is that we can't morally operate on that level of absolute uncaring ruthlessness and can't win unless we do. Really, the only option an outsider has is to just shoot everything that moves till nothing moves, then feed what's left *if* they behave, just like "they" all do it... but that ain't gonna happen. Turning a blind eye to the "traditions" of absolute control, letting the most favored gang operate as ruthlessly as it takes, is the only other option. That gang may have a desire to change the paradigm, but first, it must be in control. If it's not sufficiently ruthless, it won't be. People who can't comprehend that way of things will complain and condemn. Those who do will be heartbroken, but that's how it works over there and has for centuries. It was that way before the rise of Islam virtually everywhere, but the tactics and traditions of absolutes were "Codified" by Mohammed, thus Islam has had the greatest success at remaining the same over the centuries. The same old endless war where a common enemy is the only friend of unity possible. The code of Islam makes *everyone else* that enemy. If it wins, it loses along with everyone else and in the mean time, it can't decide *who* IT is either. It only thinks it knows *what* it is. [What it really is in the end, is it's own worst enemy.] Unfortunate, to say the least. The only Muslim who has a prayer of a peace that's not life "fought to an impoverished standstill" is the apostate Muslim, the "moderate" too frightened to show a face of resistance to the true unadulterated and complete *faith* as written by Mohammed which is nothing short of being a process of raising endless armies for endless wars playing a huge mindless game of "King Of the Hill" Ode At 08:39 PM 7/30/2007 +0200, you wrote: Dan , today OXFAM produced a report stating that the Iraqi Govt ( a creation of the US Govt ) is failing to provide water, food , sanitation and shelter for 8 ( EIGHT ) MILLION people - every single day. I doubt that powering up a walkman " or whatever they use these days " is on the top of their priority list but it is a happy thought - thanks- Richard On 30/07/2007, at 15:08, Dan Nave wrote: If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Dan -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees Maybe simple is best. You can't get simpler than four 9-V ni-cad solar rechargeable batteries. The only really desirable addition would be the electronics to produce automatic shutoff and constant current. Constant current, in my personal experience, makes a big difference. Without that, there's a sudden surge that produces a big cloud of particles before the device shuts off. On Sunday, Jul 29, 2007, at 11:44 Asia/Tokyo, CWFugit
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A solar cell puts out about one half volt regardless of size. However much area it takes to output a couple of milliamps in full sun is the concern. .03 watts per square centimeter is the power figure I get. It looks like surplus market calculator cells would be a way to go, some wired in parallel for area and some in series for voltage. Ode At 12:12 PM 7/30/2007 -0500, you wrote: Morning Dan, >> At 08:08 AM 7/30/2007, you wrote: If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. Likely this application needs the smallest solar charger in the world. It sure seems like a "Near nothing" solar panel. I would guess, 2 X 2 inches or 3 X 3 inches at most. I read some of the articles ( links on this list, I think ) about home built solar panels. Even in the primitive countries they could come up with the materials. Plus, charity groups make regular donations for some causes.Average income per person is $ 20.00 per year, or less. What surprised me, is that there are a few knowledgeable and educated people in these countries. I feel sure many of them help the ones that are not. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Yes, I agree. Not sure why the person wants to integrate the CS power with other more complex and powerful applications. If he is going to distill water, he must have a reasonable decent and powerful solar cooker. These have been in the evolution stage now for many years so proven ideas exist. I found several small solar panels but they are too expensive for the primitive countries. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
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This is the reason any effort can help. Dr. Jones' solar stoves can cook food, sterilize water, and maybe make distiller water for EIS, with a few adaptations. One stove could help several families. It would be a start. He's donating the stoves, but in time we'll have up a PayPal site for donations to pay for packing and shipping. Oxfam also says that Bush's new Executive Order is scaring the hell out of charitable groups; the man says he can seize the assets of anyone "hindering reconstruction." If a decent group like OXFAM is worried, that's worrisome. On Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007, at 03:39 Asia/Tokyo, Richard wrote: Dan , today OXFAM produced a report stating that the Iraqi Govt ( a creation of the US Govt ) is failing to provide water, food , sanitation and shelter for 8 ( EIGHT ) MILLION people - every single day. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Evening Sandee, >>At 12:12 PM 7/30/2007, you wrote: This one would fit in the shirt pocket or purse. It would charge a battery also. Rechargeable batteries come in 1000 sizes today. Many are shirt pocket size. Remember you need sunshine. Some parts of the midwest have little sun. Recently there has been little sun over much of the USA. Some low cost units here. http://shopping.msn.com/results/shp/?bcatId=10576,page=4 Small, Special Purpose Units, higher in cost. http://www.kaboodle.com/kateshaffer/a-wishlist-2-fun-little-stuff.html >> I make my own makers so this would be a great thing to have for the future ! You may or may not need a very small unit. I have several that are 12 X 12 inches. They come in a huge variety of Voltages, Wattages, and current outputs. Most of the small ones have no circuitry to regulate battery charge current, The output of the unit balances out with the internal resistance of the battery and generally does very well in this respect. Unless you plan to transport it in the purse, back pack, or survival bag, you likely do not need a miniature panel. Look and Search as thousands exist. Likely one from $ 15.00 to $ 50.00 will fill the bill. The Local AC power is less trouble, as long as it is there. For emergencies, your thinking is in order. Lugging about gallons of distilled water is not so easy. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I am speaking from experience... Dan -Original Message- From: Richard [mailto:r...@xxicenturysilver.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees Dan , today OXFAM produced a report stating that the Iraqi Govt ( a creation of the US Govt ) is failing to provide water, food , sanitation and shelter for 8 ( EIGHT ) MILLION people - every single day. I doubt that powering up a walkman " or whatever they use these days " is on the top of their priority list but it is a happy thought - thanks- Richard On 30/07/2007, at 15:08, Dan Nave wrote: > If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do > not need batteries. > There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a > current limit circuit. > > The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be > taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman > or whatever they use these days... > > Dan > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi There Wayne - would you please let me know where you found the solar panels for powering EIS makers - very interested as an alternative to no electricty - I make my own makers so this would be a great thing to have for the future ! Thanks Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset Yours : I found several small solar panels but they are too expensive for the primitive countries. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
Dan , today OXFAM produced a report stating that the Iraqi Govt ( a creation of the US Govt ) is failing to provide water, food , sanitation and shelter for 8 ( EIGHT ) MILLION people - every single day. I doubt that powering up a walkman " or whatever they use these days " is on the top of their priority list but it is a happy thought - thanks- Richard On 30/07/2007, at 15:08, Dan Nave wrote: If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Dan -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees Maybe simple is best. You can't get simpler than four 9-V ni-cad solar rechargeable batteries. The only really desirable addition would be the electronics to produce automatic shutoff and constant current. Constant current, in my personal experience, makes a big difference. Without that, there's a sudden surge that produces a big cloud of particles before the device shuts off. On Sunday, Jul 29, 2007, at 11:44 Asia/Tokyo, CWFugitt wrote: Keep in mind that near 100% of such devices have an overhead and a direct effect on efficiency. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
Morning Dan, >> At 08:08 AM 7/30/2007, you wrote: If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. Likely this application needs the smallest solar charger in the world. It sure seems like a "Near nothing" solar panel. I would guess, 2 X 2 inches or 3 X 3 inches at most. I read some of the articles ( links on this list, I think ) about home built solar panels. Even in the primitive countries they could come up with the materials. Plus, charity groups make regular donations for some causes.Average income per person is $ 20.00 per year, or less. What surprised me, is that there are a few knowledgeable and educated people in these countries. I feel sure many of them help the ones that are not. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Yes, I agree. Not sure why the person wants to integrate the CS power with other more complex and powerful applications. If he is going to distill water, he must have a reasonable decent and powerful solar cooker. These have been in the evolution stage now for many years so proven ideas exist. I found several small solar panels but they are too expensive for the primitive countries. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
If you are just going for a colloidal silver maker in Iraq, you do not need batteries. There is plenty of reliable sun. You just need a solar cell and a current limit circuit. The batteries will just cause more expense and they will probably be taken out for a more important purpose, like powering up the walkman or whatever they use these days... Dan -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees Maybe simple is best. You can't get simpler than four 9-V ni-cad solar rechargeable batteries. The only really desirable addition would be the electronics to produce automatic shutoff and constant current. Constant current, in my personal experience, makes a big difference. Without that, there's a sudden surge that produces a big cloud of particles before the device shuts off. On Sunday, Jul 29, 2007, at 11:44 Asia/Tokyo, CWFugitt wrote: > Keep in mind that near 100% of such devices have an overhead and a > direct effect on efficiency. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
DC/DC voltage doublers have been around for a long time. Neat trick, but they eat more power than just using 2 batteries to get that voltage. The only advantage is space savings. A couple of 6 volt bicycle generators for lights will do the job nicely and are not uncommon in the third world already. Some vanes attached to the spokes made out of old plastic bottles , tin cans or pieces of bark, sit bike upside down facing the wind...windmill. Ode At 10:21 AM 7/29/2007 +0900, you wrote: I'm thinking of a 4-9V rechargeable Nicad setup. A custom solar charger to hold 4 9-V batteries might do the job nicely. If the same device had a switch to go from charging to output that would be neat. It could have a simple built-in constant current controller and heavy-duty alligator clips. The idea would be to give these devices away through some existing, trustworthy agency, so the cost would have to be very modest, especially because the few people involved in this have no funding at present. SOTA Instruments has a patented method to turn the output of one 9-V battery into 36 volts in their low-cost Silver Pulser Lite.I think that device is constant current also. We'd not be aiming to do blood electrification, though, just make the EIS, and at $110, the Lite would be much too Heavy (expensive, that is.) The 4-9 plan might be cheaper and easier but I'm no engineer and am not sure. Bottom line, though: I am pretty sure the idea is workable, and could alleviate some of the misery the invasion and occupation have produced. JBB On Saturday, Jul 28, 2007, at 23:34 Asia/Tokyo, mborg...@att.net wrote: What about using solar powered batteries? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.25/926 - Release Date: 7/29/2007 11:14 PM
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
Maybe simple is best. You can't get simpler than four 9-V ni-cad solar rechargeable batteries. The only really desirable addition would be the electronics to produce automatic shutoff and constant current. Constant current, in my personal experience, makes a big difference. Without that, there's a sudden surge that produces a big cloud of particles before the device shuts off. On Sunday, Jul 29, 2007, at 11:44 Asia/Tokyo, CWFugitt wrote: Keep in mind that near 100% of such devices have an overhead and a direct effect on efficiency. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
Evening JBB, >>SOTA Instruments has a patented method to turn the output of one 9-V battery into 36 volts in their low-cost Silver Pulser Lite.I think that device is constant current also. Keep in mind that near 100% of such devices have an overhead and a direct effect on efficiency. In a very low current application they might be acceptable. Inverter systems also have a loss of efficiency. Watts used to Watts Out. Nothing is 100% Most will range from 65 % to a higher number, 80 to 85 %. This will depend on loading. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
I'm thinking of a 4-9V rechargeable Nicad setup. A custom solar charger to hold 4 9-V batteries might do the job nicely. If the same device had a switch to go from charging to output that would be neat. It could have a simple built-in constant current controller and heavy-duty alligator clips. The idea would be to give these devices away through some existing, trustworthy agency, so the cost would have to be very modest, especially because the few people involved in this have no funding at present. SOTA Instruments has a patented method to turn the output of one 9-V battery into 36 volts in their low-cost Silver Pulser Lite.I think that device is constant current also. We'd not be aiming to do blood electrification, though, just make the EIS, and at $110, the Lite would be much too Heavy (expensive, that is.) The 4-9 plan might be cheaper and easier but I'm no engineer and am not sure. Bottom line, though: I am pretty sure the idea is workable, and could alleviate some of the misery the invasion and occupation have produced. JBB On Saturday, Jul 28, 2007, at 23:34 Asia/Tokyo, mborg...@att.net wrote: What about using solar powered batteries? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
I love the idea...cant wait to hear more On 7/27/07, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: > List, > > I am discussing an interesting idea with the inventor of an effective > solar stove, which might be adapted for rapid water distillation. > > My idea is to make an integrated unit (preferably with a solar-powered > generator) to make EIS for use by the millions of Iraqi refugees, who > generally have no access to medical care, antibiotics, and so forth. > > It seems to me that generators could be mass-produced at very, very low > cost. Features like stirring, automatic cutoff, and so on, would not > be crucial, I think. > > The idea would be to make a very rugged, simple unit that could be > distributed for free, with manufacture and distribution subsidized by > benefactors, whether wealthy large-scale donors or ordinary folks > making PayPal contributions. > > Any advice or offers of help would be welcome. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- Meg'gan Gaumer "food" for thought: 'Happiness is nothing more than good health and a bad memory.' -Albert Schweitzer 'The cell is immortal. It is merely the fluid in which it floats that degenerates.' -Dr. Alexis Carrel, Nobel Prize winner 'The countless names of illnesses do not really matter. What does matter is that they all come from the same root cause...too much tissue acid waste in the body!' -Theodore A. Baroody, N.D., D.C., Ph.D. 'There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, you still have time to change the road you're on.' -Led Zeppelin
Re: CS>Generators for Iraqi Refugees
What about using solar powered batteries? -- Original message -- From: "Jonathan B. Britten" > > List, > > I am discussing an interesting idea with the inventor of an effective > solar stove, which might be adapted for rapid water distillation. > > My idea is to make an integrated unit (preferably with a solar-powered > generator) to make EIS for use by the millions of Iraqi refugees, who > generally have no access to medical care, antibiotics, and so forth. > > It seems to me that generators could be mass-produced at very, very low > cost. Features like stirring, automatic cutoff, and so on, would not > be crucial, I think. > > The idea would be to make a very rugged, simple unit that could be > distributed for free, with manufacture and distribution subsidized by > benefactors, whether wealthy large-scale donors or ordinary folks > making PayPal contributions. > > Any advice or offers of help would be welcome. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Generators
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Re: CS>Generators
I have the same one.No regrets here.I make about 2 gal. a month. Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators
Hi Seth - I just love the Silver Puppy. But I don't think it can make a gallon at a time. Maybe a half gallon, but I make a mayonnaise jar at a time. I make between 1 and 14 batches a week and the thing just runs and runs and runs without any problems. Plus, I've only had to buy new silver electrodes (only $15.00) one time in the (approximately) 5 years since I bought it. [grin] I'm a very happy customer. Jodi seth sato wrote on 3/5/2007, 11:47 AM: I was curious about various machines to produce C's and wanting to know what people recommend. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>generators
Yes I was chuffed, Tracy, and yes, all you need really is to 'up-scale' your generator. I can supply you with silver strip of the appropriate lengths. Talk to you soon. Ivan. > -Original Message- > From: Nick Grant [mailto:nwgr...@inet.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2001 15:00 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>generators > > > Hi all you committed, eager to share your knowledge people - > > please help me - I want to build a bigger generator. I need a few clear > instructions as I am not tech. minded. > > At present I make 500 mls a time, warm the water initially, and leave to > cool stir occasionally, and leave for 1 and a half hours. This all works > well - but I want to make more at one time. > > If I went to say a 2 litre container, do my rods need to be > longer, how long > do I leave the CS to brew, etc, etc > > Any helpful hints would be very much appreciated. > > Also, IVAN - do you sell CS generators that make about 2 litres - or do I > just need, as mentioned above, to by longer wires from you? > Could I pay you > to make me one? I will see what response I get from this and how easy it > is, I will be in contact soon anyways.] > > THANKS GUYS FOR ALL CARING ABOUT ME IN THE EARTHQUAKE - I didn't > even know about it till someone mentioned it. I live in the South > Island, Ivan lives in the North - he is much closer to the site > of the quake > than we are they sure are scary things wherever you are! I > think it was > really nice that someone cared enough to enquire of Ivan - I am > sure he was > quite chuffed! > > Tracy > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>generators
Hi Brickey, You are corrct. Just make sure that the silver wires and connectedto the positive lead of your supply. If not you will not make CS. You 30 ma.wall transformer is big enough for four 16 oz cells. I hope that you have a meter in the circuit so you can know what is going on. "Ole Bob" brick...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2001 9:27:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > nwgr...@inet.net.nz writes: > > > >> Please help me - I want to build a bigger generator. I need a few >> clear >> instructions as I am not tech. minded > > I doubled my production by adding a second 16 ounce container complete > with a > silver wire and a stainless wire. I connected it in parallel using > two wires > with alligator clips bought at Radio Shack. I am sure that my 30 VDC > wall > adapter has enough capacity to have four containers all connected, if > not I > could add a second wall adapter. I also power individual stirring > motors in > both containers all connected to a wall adapter except I connect them > in > series to slow down the motors. > Brickey
Re: CS>generators
In a message dated 8/21/2001 9:27:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nwgr...@inet.net.nz writes: > Please help me - I want to build a bigger generator. I need a few clear > I doubled my production by adding a second 16 ounce container complete with a silver wire and a stainless wire. I connected it in parallel using two wires with alligator clips bought at Radio Shack. I am sure that my 30 VDC wall adapter has enough capacity to have four containers all connected, if not I could add a second wall adapter. I also power individual stirring motors in both containers all connected to a wall adapter except I connect them in series to slow down the motors. Brickey
Re: CS>generators
Hi Tracy; If you want to do four times the voume of water then have four times the amount of wet silver and four times the current. Making CS does scale up. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>generators
Hi all you committed, eager to share your knowledge people - please help me - I want to build a bigger generator. I need a few clear instructions as I am not tech. minded. At present I make 500 mls a time, warm the water initially, and leave to cool stir occasionally, and leave for 1 and a half hours. This all works well - but I want to make more at one time. If I went to say a 2 litre container, do my rods need to be longer, how long do I leave the CS to brew, etc, etc Any helpful hints would be very much appreciated. THANKS GUYS FOR ALL CARING ABOUT ME IN THE EARTHQUAKE - I didn't even know about it till someone mentioned it. I live in the South Island, Ivan lives in the North - he is much closer to the site of the quake than we are they sure are scary things wherever you are! I think it was really nice that someone cared enough to enquire of Ivan - I am sure he was quite chuffed! Tracy I'm with you on this one Tracy as I'd like to make larger quantities. Nice to hear of peoples concern re the quake. I'm living in the countryside a few miles from Rotorua and we get a bit of action from time to time. A year or so ago we had a 4.9 with the epicentre just over a kilometre away. Pity I wasn't into making CS then as it would have saved me buying a stirring device. :-) Roger B
RE: CS>Generators and Methods
James, http://www.belmarpharmacy.com/aurasol/aurasol.html Scroll down to Reference Library. Cheers Mate, Ivan. > -Original Message- > From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 14:08 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>Generators and Methods > > > Hi Chip, > > Can you remember any pointers to the gold/IQ study? > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators and Methods
http://colloidalgold.com/today.htm "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > Hi Chip, > > Can you remember any pointers to the gold/IQ study? > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > -Original Message- > From: Chip Hoyle [mailto:cho...@hampsuites.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:02 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > I am not aware of any studies using a lower dosage. If my memory serves me, > this study > measured increases in IQ over a period of time while using 30mg per day of > colloidal > gold. > > I can not comment on the superiority, or lack thereof, of arc produced > colloidal gold > vs. any other type. The arc type is the only type I with which I have had > any personal > experience. > > It is conceivable that one could afford to drink 1.5 liters of CG per day if > it is made > in quantity at home. You would have to have lots of spare time to generate > it though, > as my one gallon batches take about 5 hours to produce. > > My own experience with colloidal gold has been positive enough to lead me to > invest > about $350 in equipment and many late night hours attempting to produce it. > > Perhaps all of the effects are due to the placebo effect and I've just blown > lots of > spare time and 350 bucks! > > Comments are welcomed. > > Chip Hoyle > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > I just reviewed that site. I find one discrepancy though. > > > > The articles the site shows for the efficacy of colloidal gold are using > 15 or more > > mg of gold a day (and a CG of 1000 or higher PPM). The gold they offer is > 10 ppm. > > Thus to duplicate the quantity taken in the studies would require 1.5 > liters of > > their CG a day which is about 6 bottles costing about $200. > > > > Are there any studies showing an effect at lower dosages? A teaspoon of > 10 ppm CS > > would be less than 1/1000 of the dosage used in the studies. :< Is there > any > > evidence that CS made by the arc method is superior to the method used in > the > > studies? > > > > Marshall > > > > Chip Hoyle wrote: > > > > > Leo, > > > > > > I am currently using colloidal gold. I used for about a month several > months > > > ago. It cost so much that I had to gather together all of the stuff to > generate > > > it myself. > > > I have found that the most profound effect is on my mood. I seems to > keep me > > > happy and stress free. I have less anxietyand worry. My memory seems > to be > > > improving as well. I can't address the long term effects at this poin, > as I've > > > only been taking it again for about a month. > > > > > > Check out Bill Fernalds site www.colloidalgold.com for more information. > I > > > thought that many of the benefits attributed to the use of gold must be > > > marketing, but Bill offered those on the list a 50% off deal and I > decided to > > > try a couple of bottles. I liked the effects so much I decided to make > my own. > > > > > > Chip Hoyle > > > > > > Leo Keaveney wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > > > > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > > > > > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > > > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results > confirm > > > > > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) > > > > suspected > > > > > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining > questions > > > > that > > > > > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be > most > > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > > > 1. The primary re
RE: CS>Generators and Methods
Hi Chip, Can you remember any pointers to the gold/IQ study? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Chip Hoyle [mailto:cho...@hampsuites.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods I am not aware of any studies using a lower dosage. If my memory serves me, this study measured increases in IQ over a period of time while using 30mg per day of colloidal gold. I can not comment on the superiority, or lack thereof, of arc produced colloidal gold vs. any other type. The arc type is the only type I with which I have had any personal experience. It is conceivable that one could afford to drink 1.5 liters of CG per day if it is made in quantity at home. You would have to have lots of spare time to generate it though, as my one gallon batches take about 5 hours to produce. My own experience with colloidal gold has been positive enough to lead me to invest about $350 in equipment and many late night hours attempting to produce it. Perhaps all of the effects are due to the placebo effect and I've just blown lots of spare time and 350 bucks! Comments are welcomed. Chip Hoyle Marshall Dudley wrote: > I just reviewed that site. I find one discrepancy though. > > The articles the site shows for the efficacy of colloidal gold are using 15 or more > mg of gold a day (and a CG of 1000 or higher PPM). The gold they offer is 10 ppm. > Thus to duplicate the quantity taken in the studies would require 1.5 liters of > their CG a day which is about 6 bottles costing about $200. > > Are there any studies showing an effect at lower dosages? A teaspoon of 10 ppm CS > would be less than 1/1000 of the dosage used in the studies. :< Is there any > evidence that CS made by the arc method is superior to the method used in the > studies? > > Marshall > > Chip Hoyle wrote: > > > Leo, > > > > I am currently using colloidal gold. I used for about a month several months > > ago. It cost so much that I had to gather together all of the stuff to generate > > it myself. > > I have found that the most profound effect is on my mood. I seems to keep me > > happy and stress free. I have less anxietyand worry. My memory seems to be > > improving as well. I can't address the long term effects at this poin, as I've > > only been taking it again for about a month. > > > > Check out Bill Fernalds site www.colloidalgold.com for more information. I > > thought that many of the benefits attributed to the use of gold must be > > marketing, but Bill offered those on the list a 50% off deal and I decided to > > try a couple of bottles. I liked the effects so much I decided to make my own. > > > > Chip Hoyle > > > > Leo Keaveney wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > > > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > > > > > Leo > > > - Original Message - > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > > > > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm > > > > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) > > > suspected > > > > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions > > > that > > > > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is > > > that > > > > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > > > > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > > > > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an > > > indefinite > > > > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more > > > > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > > > > > > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a > > > colloidal > > > > gold "setup,&qu
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Hi all, Thank you Roger. Leo - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > In a message dated 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST, leo.keave...@oceanfree.net writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Date: 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST > From: leo.keave...@oceanfree.net (Leo Keaveney) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Hi all, > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > Leo >> > > Leo: I have very little experience. Check Ole Bob's posts on this subject > roughly 3-4 months ago. Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Thanks Frank! Chip Frank Key wrote: > Chip wrote: > > > My generator setup for colloidal gold is an an underwater arc powered by a > > 15kv 60ma neon sign transformer. > > I have measured the particle size of the colloidal gold produced using this > technique. The size of the particles produced is typically 70 -90 nm diameter. > > frank key > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I am not aware of any studies using a lower dosage. If my memory serves me, this study measured increases in IQ over a period of time while using 30mg per day of colloidal gold. I can not comment on the superiority, or lack thereof, of arc produced colloidal gold vs. any other type. The arc type is the only type I with which I have had any personal experience. It is conceivable that one could afford to drink 1.5 liters of CG per day if it is made in quantity at home. You would have to have lots of spare time to generate it though, as my one gallon batches take about 5 hours to produce. My own experience with colloidal gold has been positive enough to lead me to invest about $350 in equipment and many late night hours attempting to produce it. Perhaps all of the effects are due to the placebo effect and I've just blown lots of spare time and 350 bucks! Comments are welcomed. Chip Hoyle Marshall Dudley wrote: > I just reviewed that site. I find one discrepancy though. > > The articles the site shows for the efficacy of colloidal gold are using 15 > or more > mg of gold a day (and a CG of 1000 or higher PPM). The gold they offer is 10 > ppm. > Thus to duplicate the quantity taken in the studies would require 1.5 liters > of > their CG a day which is about 6 bottles costing about $200. > > Are there any studies showing an effect at lower dosages? A teaspoon of 10 > ppm CS > would be less than 1/1000 of the dosage used in the studies. :< Is there any > evidence that CS made by the arc method is superior to the method used in the > studies? > > Marshall > > Chip Hoyle wrote: > > > Leo, > > > > I am currently using colloidal gold. I used for about a month several > > months > > ago. It cost so much that I had to gather together all of the stuff to > > generate > > it myself. > > I have found that the most profound effect is on my mood. I seems to keep > > me > > happy and stress free. I have less anxietyand worry. My memory seems to be > > improving as well. I can't address the long term effects at this poin, as > > I've > > only been taking it again for about a month. > > > > Check out Bill Fernalds site www.colloidalgold.com for more information. I > > thought that many of the benefits attributed to the use of gold must be > > marketing, but Bill offered those on the list a 50% off deal and I decided > > to > > try a couple of bottles. I liked the effects so much I decided to make my > > own. > > > > Chip Hoyle > > > > Leo Keaveney wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > > > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > > > > > Leo > > > - Original Message - > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > > > > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results > > > > confirm > > > > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) > > > suspected > > > > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions > > > that > > > > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is > > > that > > > > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > > > > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > > > > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an > > > indefinite > > > > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much > > > > more > > > > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > > > > > > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a > > > colloidal > > > > gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of > > > > CS > > > > that is almost totally
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Chip wrote: > My generator setup for colloidal gold is an an underwater arc powered by a > 15kv 60ma neon sign transformer. I have measured the particle size of the colloidal gold produced using this technique. The size of the particles produced is typically 70 -90 nm diameter. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Arthur, My generator setup for colloidal gold is an an underwater arc powered by a 15kv 60ma neon sign transformer. I am currently experimenting with different size batch containers of 1 qt and 1 gal. I'm not aware of anyone producing CS by this method. "Ole Bob" has tested this method for CS and gotten very large particles. I have seen claims that some LVDC generators can produce colloidal gold, and I do not believe them. Using 15kv to run the arc it takes about 5 hours or more produce colloidal gold to a good color (color changes while generating from violet in low concentration to different shades of blue as it becomes more concentrated). I don't know of any other way to make it. Others may, and if so please share your process. "Ole Bob" is investigating a new process now, and I'm sure he will share his findings with whomever is interested. The generators I have seen that are designed to produce colloidal gold sell for upwards of $900. I have invested about $300-$350 in equipment to produce colloidal gold. Chip Hoyle Arthur Rambo wrote: > Chip, when you say that you had to gather all the equipment yourself, do > you mean that a different type of equipment is needed other than the > kind we use for CS? > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Chip, when you say that you had to gather all the equipment yourself, do you mean that a different type of equipment is needed other than the kind we use for CS? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I just reviewed that site. I find one discrepancy though. The articles the site shows for the efficacy of colloidal gold are using 15 or more mg of gold a day (and a CG of 1000 or higher PPM). The gold they offer is 10 ppm. Thus to duplicate the quantity taken in the studies would require 1.5 liters of their CG a day which is about 6 bottles costing about $200. Are there any studies showing an effect at lower dosages? A teaspoon of 10 ppm CS would be less than 1/1000 of the dosage used in the studies. :< Is there any evidence that CS made by the arc method is superior to the method used in the studies? Marshall Chip Hoyle wrote: > Leo, > > I am currently using colloidal gold. I used for about a month several months > ago. It cost so much that I had to gather together all of the stuff to > generate > it myself. > I have found that the most profound effect is on my mood. I seems to keep me > happy and stress free. I have less anxietyand worry. My memory seems to be > improving as well. I can't address the long term effects at this poin, as > I've > only been taking it again for about a month. > > Check out Bill Fernalds site www.colloidalgold.com for more information. I > thought that many of the benefits attributed to the use of gold must be > marketing, but Bill offered those on the list a 50% off deal and I decided to > try a couple of bottles. I liked the effects so much I decided to make my > own. > > Chip Hoyle > > Leo Keaveney wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > > > Leo > > - Original Message - > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > > > > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > > > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm > > > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) > > suspected > > > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions > > that > > > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > > > grateful. > > > > > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is > > that > > > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > > > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > > > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an > > indefinite > > > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more > > > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > > > > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a > > colloidal > > > gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of CS > > > that is almost totally particulate as opposed to the normal form of HVAC > > CS > > > which produces almost 100% ionic "CS". Have you tested the efficacy of > > these > > > two types of products using in vivos and/or in vitro methods? > > > > > > Thanks, Roger > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
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Leo, I am currently using colloidal gold. I used for about a month several months ago. It cost so much that I had to gather together all of the stuff to generate it myself. I have found that the most profound effect is on my mood. I seems to keep me happy and stress free. I have less anxietyand worry. My memory seems to be improving as well. I can't address the long term effects at this poin, as I've only been taking it again for about a month. Check out Bill Fernalds site www.colloidalgold.com for more information. I thought that many of the benefits attributed to the use of gold must be marketing, but Bill offered those on the list a 50% off deal and I decided to try a couple of bottles. I liked the effects so much I decided to make my own. Chip Hoyle Leo Keaveney wrote: > Hi all, > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > Leo > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > >> > > > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm > > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) > suspected > > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions > that > > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > > grateful. > > > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is > that > > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an > indefinite > > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more > > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a > colloidal > > gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of CS > > that is almost totally particulate as opposed to the normal form of HVAC > CS > > which produces almost 100% ionic "CS". Have you tested the efficacy of > these > > two types of products using in vivos and/or in vitro methods? > > > > Thanks, Roger > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
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Storing cold too fast tends to make the CS change color even to a murkey violet. Ken At 10:20 PM 7/8/01 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/8/01 6:33:38 PM EST, bober...@swbell.net writes: > ><< Roger; > > WHY do you boil the water It is not needed. > > The gold color says large particles. Did you continually stir the CS?? If not > then you got what you have. Stirrin gis some form is a must. WQhat di the > T.E. look like before and after the color change?? > > I don't know where you got your instructions but go back in to the archives > and learn something about making CS. > > "Ole Bob: >> > >Ole Bob: I didn't do it. I'm innocent, I tell you. I'm innocent! Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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I've found thet if the water is too hot, it will make a golden CS. About 80 to 110F degrees seems to be the magic range. Ken At 05:57 PM 7/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >I made CS one night with distilled water boiling it on the stove and then >making it with a Beck purifier for 30 minutes. I set it in the fridge and >the next morning it was gold. > >Good, Bad or A okay? > >LL&B >Raji > >-Original Message- >From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:22 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > >In a message dated 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST, leo.keave...@oceanfree.net >writes: > ><< Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Date: 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST > From: leo.keave...@oceanfree.net (Leo Keaveney) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Hi all, > Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of > Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. > > Leo >> > >Leo: I have very little experience. Check Ole Bob's posts on this subject >roughly 3-4 months ago. Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dear Wayne, You are correct that HVAC means High Voltage AC. We do not consider any voltage below 5k to qualify as a high voltage systemfor CS generation. If you have workable neon transformers-almost any will work adequately.especially from 10k and up. If you will refer to the Archives, you can find several systems referred to which work splendidly. Personally, I prefer the submerged electrode systems because they are easier to adjust and seem to generate less noxious gas. I hope this addresses your question sufficiently. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley - Original Message - From: "Wayne Fugitt" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Evening Brooks, > > >> The principal factor, recommending. (to us ) HVAC for > >commercial endeavors is based on process control > >conveniences/standardizations..expecially for addressing large volume > >production. > > I don't want to do large volume or commercial production. I would > however like to use the best methods. > > Could you please define "HVAC" .. or does it simply mean "High > Voltage AC". > > If so, I normally think of High Voltage as AC voltage from 1000 volts up to > 13,800 Volts. > > I have some neon sign transformers in my shop, as well as some 120 input > and 480 output, and a variety of others. > > Of course everything is relative, as in high and low. > > Still a bit confused. > > Wayne > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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If I applied your logic to this post, I would ask you to take your philosophical discussion off-list. I wont though, because I enjoy the digressions. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: JudytheK [mailto:apea...@midcoast.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Generators and Methods Thanks, James -- I appreciate your thoughts on the subject. It's actually serious philosophy, even if rambling. Easy does it. Amazing how quickly we can get into right-wrongm though. I am especially fascinated by the ramifications of this stuff for the pharmaceutical industry, doctors and hospitals. They could be the buggy-whip manufacturers of tomorrow. Judy Down Maine -Original Message- From: Allisons Apothecary [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods I've been reading the list lately, and haven't really jumped in a lot because I've been away for so long, and I wanted to get a good bearing on what's been happening the past year. It's nice to see that everybody is still in search of that ideal solution, and I see that people still think their way of doing it is the best. I just wanted to jump in and say your way may be the best, or it may not! It is my firm belief that almost any kind of colloidal silver is going to be beneficial, and it doesn't matter if it's HVAC or LVDC or made in the dark or made under a full moon or made with or without stirring. Who's to say that gold colored isn't as good as clear? Who's to say that LVDC is better than HVAC? Who's to say that stirring is better than air bubbles is better than sitting still is better than shaking vigorously ever 2 minutes for 10 seconds? It is my strong belief (and I base this on no scientific evidence, just a logical mind (alright, some may disagree with that logical part, but what the heck, I could be delusional from 10 or so years of drinking CS), that gold colored CS gives you a bit of a wider spectrum of particle sizes, which may in fact, be a good thing. It might not be, but the point is we don't know for sure. Or do we? Have you ran the double blinds, and documented the case histories? I haven't. If anybody has, I would love to see the results. You could tell me that your way is best because it's helped a lot of people, I can say the same about mine, and him over there in the corner could most likely say it as well. I just talked to a customer of mine whose sister has cancer and was given two weeks to live, three months ago. Her sister was put on CS made with my generator, and she's doing great (except for a twisted ankle, turns out she felt so good one morning, she jumped outa bed to fast and landed wrong)! Does this mean I have the best? NO! It simply means that once again, colloidal silver came through in a pinch. I have heard similar stories from people who have tried CS made with all sorts of different methods as well! I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no matter how strongly we believe that a certain way is the best, the fact of the matter is that IT'S ALL GOOD (well almost, you do need to use a little common sense). What we do know, is that in almost all cases, no matter how one makes their CS, it is usually beneficial. So lets not get into a tug of war over methods, and just realize that it's all good. We can make the process as simple or as complicated as we want, and still end up happy and healthy. Do yourself a favor, pick a method and make a batch and drink some, or go to your local healthfood store and buy a bottle and drink some. Did it work? Do you feel better? Good, I thought you would! Let's keep searching for the ideal, however, let us not forget that at a base level, CS, made almost any way, is going to help. OMG, now I've done it, I've rambled. I started this with the intent of one or two short sentences, but once again, my fingers have taken on a mind of their own. Such is life. Please forward all complaints to somebody else, as my opinions are my own, and I don't need the negativity :) Yours in health, James Allison
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In a message dated 7/8/01 6:33:38 PM EST, bober...@swbell.net writes: << Roger; WHY do you boil the water It is not needed. The gold color says large particles. Did you continually stir the CS?? If not then you got what you have. Stirrin gis some form is a must. WQhat di the T.E. look like before and after the color change?? I don't know where you got your instructions but go back in to the archives and learn something about making CS. "Ole Bob: >> Ole Bob: I didn't do it. I'm innocent, I tell you. I'm innocent! Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Allison, Ole Bob, Roger and list. I started out making CS about two years ago. A fellow at one of our meetings was selling two 6" silver wires for $3.00. He instructed me to use one 9 volt battery and run it in a glass of water until it was cloudy. I felt the only good it did for me was when I got ear infections it would get rid on them with drops in the ears and nose. After I started candling my ears I didn't get ear infections anymore. After I bought SOTA's blood purifier I started making CS again with it. One day I received a news letter in the mail from Health and Awareness.( I Think!! ) I think it was from buying the four Beck instruments that I received this news letter. It is information about the Beck and Clark protocols. They also have a web site. In the last news letter I received there was an article about the best way to make CS. Cold distilled water, boiled distilled water and making it while the water is boiling. The last was the best with the second coming a close second. They did a study on the CS's affects on different bacteria and shelf live. I hadn't heard about stirring CS until I joined this list. So if they proved CS is better making it while boiling the distilled water then you wouldn't have to stir it. As far as it turning gold on me, the first time I noticed it was when I boiled a quart and ran the CS maker for 1/2 hour and put it into the refrigerator. The quart glass was clear and the next morning it was a nice gold. Of course I store it in the fridge in a dark bottle. God forbid if the light would stay on with the door closed. Hehe I made a quart of CS and 3 parts of water and keep in on the counter for the pets in a solid color milk jug. They seem to like drinking it. So that is where I heard about making CS with hot water. If I can find their web site, I'll post it. LL&B Raji -Original Message- From: Allisons Apothecary [SMTP:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Generators and Methods << File: ATT9.html >> I've been reading the list lately, and haven't really jumped in a lot because I've been away for so long, and I wanted to get a good bearing on what's been happening the past year. It's nice to see that everybody is still in search of that ideal solution, and I see that people still think their way of doing it is the best. I just wanted to jump in and say your way may be the best, or it may not! It is my firm belief that almost any kind of colloidal silver is going to be beneficial, and it doesn't matter if it's HVAC or LVDC or made in the dark or made under a full moon or made with or without stirring. Who's to say that gold colored isn't as good as clear? Who's to say that LVDC is better than HVAC? Who's to say that stirring is better than air bubbles is better than sitting still is better than shaking vigorously ever 2 minutes for 10 seconds? It is my strong belief (and I base this on no scientific evidence, just a logical mind (alright, some may disagree with that logical part, but what the heck, I could be delusional from 10 or so years of drinking CS), that gold colored CS gives you a bit of a wider spectrum of particle sizes, which may in fact, be a good thing. It might not be, but the point is we don't know for sure. Or do we? Have you ran the double blinds, and documented the case histories? I haven't. If anybody has, I would love to see the results. You could tell me that your way is best because it's helped a lot of people, I can say the same about mine, and him over there in the corner could most likely say it as well. I just talked to a customer of mine whose sister has cancer and was given two weeks to live, three months ago. Her sister was put on CS made with my generator, and she's doing great (except for a twisted ankle, turns out she felt so good one morning, she jumped outa bed to fast and landed wrong)! Does this mean I have the best? NO! It simply means that once again, colloidal silver came through in a pinch. I have heard similar stories from people who have tried CS made with all sorts of different methods as well! I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no matter how strongly we believe that a certain way is the best, the fact of the matter is that IT'S ALL GOOD (well almost, you do need to use a little common sense). What we do know, is that in almost all cases, no matter how one makes their CS, it is usually beneficial. So lets not get into a tug of war over methods, and just realize that it's all good. We can make the process as simple or as complicated as we want, and still end up happy and healthy. Do yourself a favor, pick a method and make a batch and drink some, or go to your local healthfood store and buy a bottle
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Thanks, James -- I appreciate your thoughts on the subject. It's actually serious philosophy, even if rambling. Easy does it. Amazing how quickly we can get into right-wrongm though. I am especially fascinated by the ramifications of this stuff for the pharmaceutical industry, doctors and hospitals. They could be the buggy-whip manufacturers of tomorrow. Judy Down Maine -Original Message- From: Allisons Apothecary [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods I've been reading the list lately, and haven't really jumped in a lot because I've been away for so long, and I wanted to get a good bearing on what's been happening the past year. It's nice to see that everybody is still in search of that ideal solution, and I see that people still think their way of doing it is the best. I just wanted to jump in and say your way may be the best, or it may not! It is my firm belief that almost any kind of colloidal silver is going to be beneficial, and it doesn't matter if it's HVAC or LVDC or made in the dark or made under a full moon or made with or without stirring. Who's to say that gold colored isn't as good as clear? Who's to say that LVDC is better than HVAC? Who's to say that stirring is better than air bubbles is better than sitting still is better than shaking vigorously ever 2 minutes for 10 seconds? It is my strong belief (and I base this on no scientific evidence, just a logical mind (alright, some may disagree with that logical part, but what the heck, I could be delusional from 10 or so years of drinking CS), that gold colored CS gives you a bit of a wider spectrum of particle sizes, which may in fact, be a good thing. It might not be, but the point is we don't know for sure. Or do we? Have you ran the double blinds, and documented the case histories? I haven't. If anybody has, I would love to see the results. You could tell me that your way is best because it's helped a lot of people, I can say the same about mine, and him over there in the corner could most likely say it as well. I just talked to a customer of mine whose sister has cancer and was given two weeks to live, three months ago. Her sister was put on CS made with my generator, and she's doing great (except for a twisted ankle, turns out she felt so good one morning, she jumped outa bed to fast and landed wrong)! Does this mean I have the best? NO! It simply means that once again, colloidal silver came through in a pinch. I have heard similar stories from people who have tried CS made with all sorts of different methods as well! I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no matter how strongly we believe that a certain way is the best, the fact of the matter is that IT'S ALL GOOD (well almost, you do need to use a little common sense). What we do know, is that in almost all cases, no matter how one makes their CS, it is usually beneficial. So lets not get into a tug of war over methods, and just realize that it's all good. We can make the process as simple or as complicated as we want, and still end up happy and healthy. Do yourself a favor, pick a method and make a batch and drink some, or go to your local healthfood store and buy a bottle and drink some. Did it work? Do you feel better? Good, I thought you would! Let's keep searching for the ideal, however, let us not forget that at a base level, CS, made almost any way, is going to help. OMG, now I've done it, I've rambled. I started this with the intent of one or two short sentences, but once again, my fingers have taken on a mind of their own. Such is life. Please forward all complaints to somebody else, as my opinions are my own, and I don't need the negativity :) Yours in health, James Allison
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I've been reading the list lately, and haven't really jumped in a lot because I've been away for so long, and I wanted to get a good bearing on what's been happening the past year. It's nice to see that everybody is still in search of that ideal solution, and I see that people still think their way of doing it is the best. I just wanted to jump in and say your way may be the best, or it may not! It is my firm belief that almost any kind of colloidal silver is going to be beneficial, and it doesn't matter if it's HVAC or LVDC or made in the dark or made under a full moon or made with or without stirring. Who's to say that gold colored isn't as good as clear? Who's to say that LVDC is better than HVAC? Who's to say that stirring is better than air bubbles is better than sitting still is better than shaking vigorously ever 2 minutes for 10 seconds? It is my strong belief (and I base this on no scientific evidence, just a logical mind (alright, some may disagree with that logical part, but what the heck, I could be delusional from 10 or so years of drinking CS), that gold colored CS gives you a bit of a wider spectrum of particle sizes, which may in fact, be a good thing. It might not be, but the point is we don't know for sure. Or do we? Have you ran the double blinds, and documented the case histories? I haven't. If anybody has, I would love to see the results. You could tell me that your way is best because it's helped a lot of people, I can say the same about mine, and him over there in the corner could most likely say it as well. I just talked to a customer of mine whose sister has cancer and was given two weeks to live, three months ago. Her sister was put on CS made with my generator, and she's doing great (except for a twisted ankle, turns out she felt so good one morning, she jumped outa bed to fast and landed wrong)! Does this mean I have the best? NO! It simply means that once again, colloidal silver came through in a pinch. I have heard similar stories from people who have tried CS made with all sorts of different methods as well! I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no matter how strongly we believe that a certain way is the best, the fact of the matter is that IT'S ALL GOOD (well almost, you do need to use a little common sense). What we do know, is that in almost all cases, no matter how one makes their CS, it is usually beneficial. So lets not get into a tug of war over methods, and just realize that it's all good. We can make the process as simple or as complicated as we want, and still end up happy and healthy. Do yourself a favor, pick a method and make a batch and drink some, or go to your local healthfood store and buy a bottle and drink some. Did it work? Do you feel better? Good, I thought you would! Let's keep searching for the ideal, however, let us not forget that at a base level, CS, made almost any way, is going to help. OMG, now I've done it, I've rambled. I started this with the intent of one or two short sentences, but once again, my fingers have taken on a mind of their own. Such is life. Please forward all complaints to somebody else, as my opinions are my own, and I don't need the negativity :) Yours in health, James Allison
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Roger; WHY do you boil the water It is not needed. The gold color says large particles. Did you continually stir the CS?? If not then you got what you have. Stirrin gis some form is a must. WQhat di the T.E. look like before and after the color change?? I don't know where you got your instructions but go back in to the archives and learn something about making CS. "Ole Bob: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In a message dated 7/8/01 6:12:03 PM EST, r...@midohio.net writes: << Subj: RE: CS>Generators and Methods Date: 7/8/01 6:12:03 PM EST From: r...@midohio.net (Roger Daymude) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com ('silver-list@eskimo.com') I made CS one night with distilled water boiling it on the stove and then making it with a Beck purifier for 30 minutes. I set it in the fridge and the next morning it was gold. Good, Bad or A okay? LL&B Raji >> Raji: OK, but the particles are on the large side, and apt to grow larger over the next few days to weeks. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I made CS one night with distilled water boiling it on the stove and then making it with a Beck purifier for 30 minutes. I set it in the fridge and the next morning it was gold. Good, Bad or A okay? LL&B Raji -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods In a message dated 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST, leo.keave...@oceanfree.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods Date: 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST From: leo.keave...@oceanfree.net (Leo Keaveney) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi all, Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. Leo >> Leo: I have very little experience. Check Ole Bob's posts on this subject roughly 3-4 months ago. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Wayne; On this list HVAC generally means using a 12 kv of 15 kv NST. >From my investigations of HVAC, I have tried the two wet electrodes, the one wet with the other slightly above the surface of the due so as to form a cone, an the arc method where the arc electrode is about 0.40" above the DW. The smallest particle size and most stable is with the arc method. I do not sell machines. I just investigate and give away CS. >From the T.E.M. the HVAC ARC method also produces a structure in the water. To use the arc method there are two ways; 1. The arc electrode is a Bosch platinum spark plug and no cover gas. I personally have not had much success with that although there is a person that is selling HVAC gens that use it. 2. The use of dry ice in an enclosed chamber with an opening into the free board above the DW, and using a silver arc electrode. I f you want instructions just ask. Without the CO2 one forms whole bunches of NO3, and that is not very good. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Evening Brooks, >> The principal factor, recommending. (to us ) HVAC for commercial endeavors is based on process control conveniences/standardizations..expecially for addressing large volume production. I don't want to do large volume or commercial production. I would however like to use the best methods. Could you please define "HVAC" .. or does it simply mean "High Voltage AC". If so, I normally think of High Voltage as AC voltage from 1000 volts up to 13,800 Volts. I have some neon sign transformers in my shop, as well as some 120 input and 480 output, and a variety of others. Of course everything is relative, as in high and low. Still a bit confused. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In a message dated 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST, leo.keave...@oceanfree.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods Date: 7/8/01 12:34:20 PM EST From: leo.keave...@oceanfree.net (Leo Keaveney) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi all, Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. Leo >> Leo: I have very little experience. Check Ole Bob's posts on this subject roughly 3-4 months ago. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Dear Roger, Unfortunately, our controlled/monitored stability tests were not conducted beyond 60 days. There was, essentially, no consequential change (physical or therapeutical) within this time envelopefrom among any of the samples. We have conducted no efficacy evaluations based upon ionic versus particulate population percentages. The principal factor, recommending. (to us ) HVAC for commercial endeavors is based on process control conveniences/standardizations..expecially for addressing large volume production. I must go now. Sincerely, Brooks. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > >> > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) suspected > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions that > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > grateful. > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is that > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an indefinite > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a colloidal > gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of CS > that is almost totally particulate as opposed to the normal form of HVAC CS > which produces almost 100% ionic "CS". Have you tested the efficacy of these > two types of products using in vivos and/or in vitro methods? > > Thanks, Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Hi all, Roger, have you had any experiences resulting from your use of Colloidal Gold, if so, will you share them with us please. Leo - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST > From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > >> > > Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm > what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) suspected > for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions that > are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most > grateful. > > 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is that > the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current > controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly > dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an indefinite > shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more > modest stabilities. Care to comment? > > 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a colloidal > gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of CS > that is almost totally particulate as opposed to the normal form of HVAC CS > which produces almost 100% ionic "CS". Have you tested the efficacy of these > two types of products using in vivos and/or in vitro methods? > > Thanks, Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Hi Brooks, Thank you, it's great to have all this information on one page. My experience so far with CS (LVDC) is a year old itch in my groin has disappeared. My wife and myself both experienced overall light skin itch, not severe, after we started drinking CS. This started a it's peak severity and diminished gradually over a period of about one week. We viewed this itch in a positive light, an indication that our CS was working and were delighted with it. Leo. - Original Message - From: "brooks bradley" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Dear Leo, > Since I am "sidelined" todaywith an aggravation of an > ancient knee injury (football 1943), I am pandering to a series personal > biases-and your inquiry has "struck another nerve", > As the bulk of the older list membership is aware, we have---over > the past 5 years---invested sizeable effort and resources in evaluating a > rather wide array of generation techniques for producing acceptable > colloidal silver solutions. The principal goal of our endeavors was not to > identify the state-of-the-art protocol, but rather to identify acceptable > means achievable by the intelligent but untrained individual.to > economically produce a CS substance yielding results near the middle of the > spectrum for proven/measureable CS solutions then extant (RMS nomograms > derived from CS generated from Current/Voltage controlled variations of LVDC > (49VDC AND LESS); HVDC up to 240 vdc; half-wave DC, from 60 hz > source.up to 200 volts; and HVAC FROM 5 TO 15 KV). These data were > achieved against a variety of some of the more prevalent > pathogens-of-consequence---both viral and bacterial. > A brief summary of our data reveals some interesting information > including: (1) Neither the HVDC or HVAC systems produced a product > superior enough to the voltage-regulated LVDC (30 to 40 volt range)..to > justify (in our view) the additional complications imposed upon the > "technically challenged". (2) We were unable to verify ANY effectivity > advantage of the HVAC/HVDC products over the "monitored generation" LVDC > ones..in direct comparison evaluations in vitroexcepting a time > advantage in favor of the HVAC (especially in tests involving the more > virulent viral pathogens). However, even this advantage, rarely over 2 to > 1, would not seem to be great enough to pre-empt use of LVDC cs in favor of > HVAC--for the typical do-it-yourself experimenter. e.g. A typical > comparison was flu virus (several types); 10 min. average for replication > nullification for HVAC; 18 min. for LVDC. > In vivo comparisons were so close (due to the problems of > anecdotal nature of tests) as to prevent any detectable difference in > efficacy. > It is of consequence to mention that all LVDC solutions were > generated using low-grade instrumentation (e.g.$8.00 DVM., LOW-COST Reg DC > power supplies..less than 50.00). Evaluations using high-quality, > lab-grade DC supplies did not improve the product quality. > The single, most important LVDC parameter revealed to be the > current flow both as a determinant of ppm magnitude.and particle > size. For dc voltages at or below 40 vdc, consequential excursions in > particle size did not occur until the current level rose beyond 12 MA for > single element electrodes with 5" wetted exposure...and 20 MA for dual > element electrodes. Above these levels the particle size began to rise > rapidly.sometimes exponentially. Note: Scanning Electron Microscopy > revealed ABSOLUTELY NO comfirmable increase particle size differentiation > populations between current levels of .75 MA and 5.65 MA at regulated > D.C. voltages (at constant settings) between 30 and 40 vdc. One other > anomaly we discovered may serve to precipitate contention/controversy by > some on the list. However, we determined---beyond any reasonable > doubtthat the use of a properly installed aquarium air pump and bubbler > to be equal toor superior in some casesto the various stirring > motor/magnetic stirring techniques employed. The most simpleand cost- > effective system we evaluated proved to be one composed of a small air pump > (Aquaculture 10 gallon model) obtained from Walmart for a cost of about > $6.00; silicone rubber hose (8' for $1.25); plus the small, cylindrical, > ceramic bubble-stone (About $1.00). This inexpensive system, with the > bubble-stone placed upon the bottom of either a 32 ounce or 64 ounce glass > container (Mason jars)---and located between t
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In a message dated 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST, liat...@flash.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Generators and Methods Date: 7/7/01 9:13:18 PM EST From: liat...@flash.net (brooks bradley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com >> Thanks Brooks for your most valuable post. Your quantified results confirm what most of us have (has? -- where's Marshalee when we need her) suspected for quite some time. However, there are at least two remaining questions that are of great interest. So if you're ready to answer them I would be most grateful. 1. The primary reason I use HVAC instead of current controlled LVDC is that the HVAC product ALWAYS has an indefinite shelf life whereas the current controlled LVDC CS product has a shelf life that appears to be highly dependent on the skill of the operator. Some claim their CS has an indefinite shelf life (Ivan, for example), but others, myself included, get much more modest stabilities. Care to comment? 2. The HVAC process appears, under certain circumstances (using a colloidal gold "setup," for example), to have the capability of making a form of CS that is almost totally particulate as opposed to the normal form of HVAC CS which produces almost 100% ionic "CS". Have you tested the efficacy of these two types of products using in vivos and/or in vitro methods? Thanks, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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ed---by an order of magnitude---my original intent. Upon detailed examination, we found it an obvious conclusion that a commercial producer would be well-served to utilize HVAC methodologies for product preparation...but found no such compelling reason for the average do-it-yourselfer. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley Original Message - From: "Leo Keaveney" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: CS>Generators and Methods > Hi All, > At this time I am unable to afford a HVAC generator and therefore > some innovation is called for. > I made a 175volt DC unit by using voltage doubling electronics (diodes & > capacitors). > When making the CS I clean the negative electrode frequently and stir the > solution in a circular motion. > As the solution saturates with silver and the current rises near 3mA I swap > the positive lead to one with a resistor connected in series. > The electrodes are separated by about 3" apart to keep the current down and > the bubbles on the negative electrode are very small, barely visible. > When I started making CS first I used an air ioniser with the current > limiters shorted out. > This made half a pint of crystal clear CS over a period of about two days, > at first I thought that I had failed to make CS until I measured it's > resistance with an multi meter. > Be careful using a modified air ioniser, my one rectifies the 220V ac mains > voltage supply, then doubles it 14 or 15 times, removing the current > limiting resistors makes it lethal to go near when the power is applied as > the voltage would be in the order of 15,000volts and will arc or leap half > an inch or so, I don't know just how far, I'll probably find out some day > when I'm careless. > > Leo > > - Original Message - > From: "Wayne Fugitt" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: CS>Generators and Methods > > > > Morning Dean, > > > > >> You're treating CS as if it were a medicine. It's not. > > > > Thanks for making that so clear. Generally, I think as you do, but > > still like to see other peoples methods. > > > > I have been using CS for about two years. In my realm of friends and > > enemies, we have over 100 people locally using it. I think many of them > > are still confused as to the best methods for use. > > > > Honestly, I am still a bit confused on the absolute best way to make CS. > I > > have made it with several generators, > > and a variety of voltages from batteries. > > > > The highest voltage I have used is 75 Volts DC. The longest time interval > > has been 4 hours, but not with the > > 75 VDC. > > > > I would be interested what others consider the very best generator, time > > intervals, ppm, use of saline, ect. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
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Hi All, At this time I am unable to afford a HVAC generator and therefore some innovation is called for. I made a 175volt DC unit by using voltage doubling electronics (diodes & capacitors). When making the CS I clean the negative electrode frequently and stir the solution in a circular motion. As the solution saturates with silver and the current rises near 3mA I swap the positive lead to one with a resistor connected in series. The electrodes are separated by about 3" apart to keep the current down and the bubbles on the negative electrode are very small, barely visible. When I started making CS first I used an air ioniser with the current limiters shorted out. This made half a pint of crystal clear CS over a period of about two days, at first I thought that I had failed to make CS until I measured it's resistance with an multi meter. Be careful using a modified air ioniser, my one rectifies the 220V ac mains voltage supply, then doubles it 14 or 15 times, removing the current limiting resistors makes it lethal to go near when the power is applied as the voltage would be in the order of 15,000volts and will arc or leap half an inch or so, I don't know just how far, I'll probably find out some day when I'm careless. Leo - Original Message - From: "Wayne Fugitt" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: CS>Generators and Methods > Morning Dean, > > >> You're treating CS as if it were a medicine. It's not. > > Thanks for making that so clear. Generally, I think as you do, but > still like to see other peoples methods. > > I have been using CS for about two years. In my realm of friends and > enemies, we have over 100 people locally using it. I think many of them > are still confused as to the best methods for use. > > Honestly, I am still a bit confused on the absolute best way to make CS. I > have made it with several generators, > and a variety of voltages from batteries. > > The highest voltage I have used is 75 Volts DC. The longest time interval > has been 4 hours, but not with the > 75 VDC. > > I would be interested what others consider the very best generator, time > intervals, ppm, use of saline, ect. > > Wayne > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Wayne, please clarify on your comment that CS is not a medicine. That was Dean that said that, not me. Is this merely samantics? I took some for a bad cough of 2 months' duration (probably mold/fungus kinda thing) and I was cured within 3 hours. Of course, I have heard similar statements many times. Surely that was used medicinally. Isn't the purpose the deciding factor? It can be a preventive, a cleanser, a biocide, a medicine, a supplement ...etc. Seems one of the old proverbs, states. One mans medicine is another mans poison. or.. similar. What about this one. "Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food." Hippocrates I consider water a medicine, and virtually everything else I eat. Wayne
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Wayne, please clarify on your comment that CS is not a medicine. Is this merely samantics? I took some for a bad cough of 2 months' duration (probably mold/fungus kinda thing) and I was cured within 3 hours. Surely that was used medicinally. Isn't the purpose the deciding factor? It can be a preventive, a cleanser, a biocide, a medicine, a supplement ...etc. -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Generators and Methods Morning Dean, >> You're treating CS as if it were a medicine. It's not. Thanks for making that so clear. Generally, I think as you do, but still like to see other peoples methods. I have been using CS for about two years. In my realm of friends and enemies, we have over 100 people locally using it. I think many of them are still confused as to the best methods for use. Honestly, I am still a bit confused on the absolute best way to make CS. I have made it with several generators, and a variety of voltages from batteries. The highest voltage I have used is 75 Volts DC. The longest time interval has been 4 hours, but not with the 75 VDC. I would be interested what others consider the very best generator, time intervals, ppm, use of saline, ect. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In a message dated 7/13/00 2:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << Mine will run on many power sources besides the wall >plug. Maybe Trems will too. I don't think the 777 will. > Some people swear by High voltage generators and there are some good ones >out there. >>Ken Ken, I have the 777SE (wishgranted.com) and it runs on several power sources and am happy with it, for one reason I didn't want to experiment and take the chance of messing up. Like the others you mentioned it has the automatic cutoff which I really like. Set it a night and it's ready the next morning. Regards, Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> I am looking for a CS generator, but I am confused by all of the ones offered > on the internet. Can someone tell me, from their experience, which one is > most often recommended? CS has been great for my asthma, but it is so > expensive in the health food store. I really want to make my own. > > Thanks, > Diane Morgan Dear Diane, Just look for the post I sent to Hope this evening, it is how I make my CS. It works, and that`s all I needed! Good luck to you, Marsha in Vallejo, CA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Ivan I tend to agree with you, for example, when I use 14 GA silver wire I have CS in 20 min. whereas if I use 1oz silver bullion cut in half with the same power source and 8 oz of distilled water, three times the amount of time to obtain the same result. Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Trem, Thanks. I stand by what I said. Current density is found by the expression: I(Amps) / A(mm2) = Amps per square millimetre. One can lessen the current density by either increasing the electrode area or decreasing the current, both have the same result. Which method one chooses has to do with the relationship one desires in total current vs resistance vs voltage. As for current density vs particle size... I believe silver is stripped from the anode and enters the water as single ions no matter what the current, whatever causes aggregation occurs after this. Ivan > Hello Ivan, > > Well said. I guess the only thing I might disagree with is the electrode > surface area not being a function of particle size. My feeling is that if > the current density is high, the particle size increases because the ions > are being more forcibly ripped off the electrode. It rings true with me and > is borne out in my experiments that more surface area makes better CS if the > current is held low. That's why I originally chose to use flat electrodes > in order to get more surface area. The current density theory mentioned by > Bob Lee about starved electrodes makes it ring more true. > > I hope we're getting to the end of this discussion. It's like the blind > guys trying to describe the elephant without being able to see the whole > thing. > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: Ivan Anderson > To: > Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:11 AM > Subject: CS>Generators, Current regulation, etc > > > > > > I notice the discussion of current regulation, electrode geometry > > etc. > > Here is my 2 cents worth. > > Every one is correct in this discussion as far as they go. > > All generators work in exactly the same manner, that is sintering > > silver atoms from the anode (positive electrode), and all produce > > perfectly good CS within certain boundaries and limits. > > > > The difference in generators is really in the ease of use and the > > concentration they are able to produce. > > > > The simple 3 or 4 battery method has the advantage of short > > generation time, but requires constant attention (stirring, > > electrode wiping etc.). these generators produce fine CS in the 5 > > to 10 ppm range. The conductivity of the water past this range > > allows too high a current flow, and that coupled with a quite > > high voltage causes a high particle mobility. The consequence of > > this is that many particles contact the cathode (negative > > electrode) and are reduced to the residue or treeing we see. This > > residue enevitably finds its way into the solution which results > > in the cloudy, dark and unstable colloid we see many questions > > about. > > Hot water limits these factors to some extent, mainly by the > > convection currents in the water mixing the silver plume through > > out the solution. > > > > Constant current (current limiting) generators over come many of > > the problems described above by limiting the current to a value, > > where the number of particles coming off the anode is not so > > great that they cannot be spread throughout the solution before > > they meet the cathode. As the resistance in the solution falls > > (with the introduction of silver particles) in this type of > > generator, the voltage drops and therefore so does the particle > > mobility. This is a most beneficial set of circumstances. The > > more particles there are in the water, the less energy they have > > in movement, and the less likely they are to be reduced at the > > cathode and the less energy do they have to overcome > > electrostatic repulsion when they encounter each other. As long > > as the voltage stays above about 1V the generator will continue > > to disassociate silver ions from the anode. > > These generators can produce clear or light yellow colloid to > > high concentration (10 ppm +), but are more technical and > > expensive to implement, and require more time to generate a given > > concentration. > > > > The pulsed generators and polarity switching generators can be > > thought of as current limiting hybrids and seem to exhibit many > > of their positives and negatives. > > > > Low voltage generators (9 to 15volt) are very simple to implement > > and also display the positives of current limit devices, due to > > the slow manner in which they dissasociate the anode into the > > water, but above a certain point they behave like the higher > > voltage units. Good up to about 15ppm. Long generating time. > > > > Electrode configuration and crossection affect CS generation only > > in as much as they have an influence on the maximum current draw, > > and the distance the silver ions have to travel before they meet > > the cathode. An arrangement that is constant in geometry will > > have reproducable results. > > > > Particle size is a much discussed and overly emphasised part of > > CS generation. Particle size, as determined by colour, is > > effective from clear through yellow-green, y
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> I new to the list and notice that several of you manufature generators of > various types. Some of you have web pages. Would everyone who has a web page > concerned with CS please post it so I can keep them on file? I am willing to put a link to every colloidal silver generator manufacturer (who desires to be listed) on my WebPages. The only prerequisite I have is that the manufacturer needs to have been in business for at least a year. The link will be at... http://apothecary.hypermart.net/cs-links.htm Just private email me at apothec...@home.com to have your site listed. As soon as I get around to it (probably a month or so), a randomizer script will be added so each time the links page is pulled up, it will show those listed in a different order so that no favoritism will be shown. Yours in health, James Allison Allisons Apothecary http://apothecary.hypermart.net Home of the $49.95 Colloidal Silver Generator -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi, I new to the list and notice that several of you manufature generators of various types. Some of you have web pages. Would everyone who has a web page concerned with CS please post it so I can keep them on file? Thanks allot. Jim Wright -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Trem Williams wrote: > Hello Ivan, > > Well said. I guess the only thing I might disagree with is the electrode > surface area not being a function of particle size. My feeling is that if > the current density is high, the particle size increases because the ions > are being more forcibly ripped off the electrode. It rings true with me and > is borne out in my experiments that more surface area makes better CS if the > current is held low. That's why I originally chose to use flat electrodes > in order to get more surface area. The current density theory mentioned by > Bob Lee about starved electrodes makes it ring more true. > > I hope we're getting to the end of this discussion. It's like the blind > guys trying to describe the elephant without being able to see the whole > thing. Apparently there is a difference between the LVDC and HVAC method. The particle size increases when the electrode area increases in the HVAC process. I believe that the sputtering of the particles is accomplished primarily by OH radicals in the LVDC process and by free electrons in the HVAC process. This might account for the apparently opposite effects. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hello Ivan, Well said. I guess the only thing I might disagree with is the electrode surface area not being a function of particle size. My feeling is that if the current density is high, the particle size increases because the ions are being more forcibly ripped off the electrode. It rings true with me and is borne out in my experiments that more surface area makes better CS if the current is held low. That's why I originally chose to use flat electrodes in order to get more surface area. The current density theory mentioned by Bob Lee about starved electrodes makes it ring more true. I hope we're getting to the end of this discussion. It's like the blind guys trying to describe the elephant without being able to see the whole thing. Trem - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:11 AM Subject: CS>Generators, Current regulation, etc > > I notice the discussion of current regulation, electrode geometry > etc. > Here is my 2 cents worth. > Every one is correct in this discussion as far as they go. > All generators work in exactly the same manner, that is sintering > silver atoms from the anode (positive electrode), and all produce > perfectly good CS within certain boundaries and limits. > > The difference in generators is really in the ease of use and the > concentration they are able to produce. > > The simple 3 or 4 battery method has the advantage of short > generation time, but requires constant attention (stirring, > electrode wiping etc.). these generators produce fine CS in the 5 > to 10 ppm range. The conductivity of the water past this range > allows too high a current flow, and that coupled with a quite > high voltage causes a high particle mobility. The consequence of > this is that many particles contact the cathode (negative > electrode) and are reduced to the residue or treeing we see. This > residue enevitably finds its way into the solution which results > in the cloudy, dark and unstable colloid we see many questions > about. > Hot water limits these factors to some extent, mainly by the > convection currents in the water mixing the silver plume through > out the solution. > > Constant current (current limiting) generators over come many of > the problems described above by limiting the current to a value, > where the number of particles coming off the anode is not so > great that they cannot be spread throughout the solution before > they meet the cathode. As the resistance in the solution falls > (with the introduction of silver particles) in this type of > generator, the voltage drops and therefore so does the particle > mobility. This is a most beneficial set of circumstances. The > more particles there are in the water, the less energy they have > in movement, and the less likely they are to be reduced at the > cathode and the less energy do they have to overcome > electrostatic repulsion when they encounter each other. As long > as the voltage stays above about 1V the generator will continue > to disassociate silver ions from the anode. > These generators can produce clear or light yellow colloid to > high concentration (10 ppm +), but are more technical and > expensive to implement, and require more time to generate a given > concentration. > > The pulsed generators and polarity switching generators can be > thought of as current limiting hybrids and seem to exhibit many > of their positives and negatives. > > Low voltage generators (9 to 15volt) are very simple to implement > and also display the positives of current limit devices, due to > the slow manner in which they dissasociate the anode into the > water, but above a certain point they behave like the higher > voltage units. Good up to about 15ppm. Long generating time. > > Electrode configuration and crossection affect CS generation only > in as much as they have an influence on the maximum current draw, > and the distance the silver ions have to travel before they meet > the cathode. An arrangement that is constant in geometry will > have reproducable results. > > Particle size is a much discussed and overly emphasised part of > CS generation. Particle size, as determined by colour, is > effective from clear through yellow-green, yellow and gold. The > range is apparently <1nm to 15nm (<.001micron to .015micron) > and, as you can see, the difference is slight. All exhibit very > good stability and antimicrobial proterties. > > Ivan > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail mes
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I agree with everthing you said but the following. Ivan Anderson wrote: > Particle size is a much discussed and overly emphasised part of > CS generation. Particle size, as determined by colour, is > effective from clear through yellow-green, yellow and gold. The > range is apparently <1nm to 15nm (<.001micron to .015micron) > and, as you can see, the difference is slight. All exhibit very > good stability and antimicrobial proterties. > > Ivan I do not believe that particle size is being overly emphasised. If we assume that the effectiveness of the colloid is proportional to the number of particles (a logical assumption with most of the assumed methods of operation), then the .001 micron particle size colloid will have 3375 as many particles per ounce as .015 micron particle size colloid. That would translate into an effectiveness that is over 1000 as much for the same ppm. If this is valid then I believe that the particle size is being under empahsised if anything. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> Hullow Ivan, > > Thanks for the information, can yiou tell me the differences between your cs > machine and Jims?Carmen Sorry Carmen, Its not really my place to tell you about Jims machine. I shall contact you off list. sincerely Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hullow Ivan, Thanks for the information, can yiou tell me the differences between your cs machine and Jims?Carmen - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 9:11 PM Subject: CS>Generators, Current regulation, etc > > I notice the discussion of current regulation, electrode geometry > etc. > Here is my 2 cents worth. > Every one is correct in this discussion as far as they go. > All generators work in exactly the same manner, that is sintering > silver atoms from the anode (positive electrode), and all produce > perfectly good CS within certain boundaries and limits. > > The difference in generators is really in the ease of use and the > concentration they are able to produce. > > The simple 3 or 4 battery method has the advantage of short > generation time, but requires constant attention (stirring, > electrode wiping etc.). these generators produce fine CS in the 5 > to 10 ppm range. The conductivity of the water past this range > allows too high a current flow, and that coupled with a quite > high voltage causes a high particle mobility. The consequence of > this is that many particles contact the cathode (negative > electrode) and are reduced to the residue or treeing we see. This > residue enevitably finds its way into the solution which results > in the cloudy, dark and unstable colloid we see many questions > about. > Hot water limits these factors to some extent, mainly by the > convection currents in the water mixing the silver plume through > out the solution. > > Constant current (current limiting) generators over come many of > the problems described above by limiting the current to a value, > where the number of particles coming off the anode is not so > great that they cannot be spread throughout the solution before > they meet the cathode. As the resistance in the solution falls > (with the introduction of silver particles) in this type of > generator, the voltage drops and therefore so does the particle > mobility. This is a most beneficial set of circumstances. The > more particles there are in the water, the less energy they have > in movement, and the less likely they are to be reduced at the > cathode and the less energy do they have to overcome > electrostatic repulsion when they encounter each other. As long > as the voltage stays above about 1V the generator will continue > to disassociate silver ions from the anode. > These generators can produce clear or light yellow colloid to > high concentration (10 ppm +), but are more technical and > expensive to implement, and require more time to generate a given > concentration. > > The pulsed generators and polarity switching generators can be > thought of as current limiting hybrids and seem to exhibit many > of their positives and negatives. > > Low voltage generators (9 to 15volt) are very simple to implement > and also display the positives of current limit devices, due to > the slow manner in which they dissasociate the anode into the > water, but above a certain point they behave like the higher > voltage units. Good up to about 15ppm. Long generating time. > > Electrode configuration and crossection affect CS generation only > in as much as they have an influence on the maximum current draw, > and the distance the silver ions have to travel before they meet > the cathode. An arrangement that is constant in geometry will > have reproducable results. > > Particle size is a much discussed and overly emphasised part of > CS generation. Particle size, as determined by colour, is > effective from clear through yellow-green, yellow and gold. The > range is apparently <1nm to 15nm (<.001micron to .015micron) > and, as you can see, the difference is slight. All exhibit very > good stability and antimicrobial proterties. > > Ivan > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Ron, Thanks for doing this thread. Another question; how do you go about touching and separating the wires 60 times in 1 second? Or did you mean touching and separating the wires 60 times at 1 second intervals? --- Begin Message --- Tom Trauberman wrote: > > Ron, > What is the procedure you use to arc the gold wires? Do you rub them > together? Hold them close till they arc? And for how long? > > Tom They have to be brought together and seperated 60 times a second at about 75 volts. Ron > ------- > > Subject: Re: CS generators > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:58:20 -0400 > From: b...@lcia.com (RON BRENNEN) > To: Tom Trauberman > References: <2143-3745098d-11...@postoffice-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> > > Tom Trauberman wrote: > > > > Ron, > > How do you make colloidal gold? What does colloidal platinum do? > > > > Tom > > By arcing two gold electrodes under water. Colloidal platinum is said > to amplify the antibiotic qualities of silver and repair the DNA. > Regards, > Ron > > --- > > > > Subject: CS generators > > Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:45:45 -0700 > > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:51:45 -0400 > > From: b...@lcia.com (RON BRENNEN) > > To: Silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Hi all, > > I have been making and selling colloidal silver, colloidal gold > > colloidal platinum and cs generators for the past two years. > > I would like to share the benefit of my experience with the list, > > especially those new to the list who are thinking of making or > > buying a cs generator. In my opinion the lvdc generator is the > > most practical. In serious infections such as lyme,etc. I think the > > frequency of ingestion is more important than the PPM. I have found > > that 5-10 PPM handles everything I have come across. I think that a > > filter is VERY important. You will usually find large particles on > > top of the filter. If you have any questions I will try to answer them > > off list. > > Keep in good health. > > Ron Brennen > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour --- End Message ---
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Ron, What is the procedure you use to arc the gold wires? Do you rub them together? Hold them close till they arc? And for how long? Tom --- Begin Message --- Tom Trauberman wrote: > > Ron, > How do you make colloidal gold? What does colloidal platinum do? > > Tom > By arcing two gold electrodes under water. Colloidal platinum is said to amplify the antibiotic qualities of silver and repair the DNA. Regards, Ron > --- > > Subject: CS generators > Resent-Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:45:45 -0700 > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:51:45 -0400 > From: b...@lcia.com (RON BRENNEN) > To: Silver-list@eskimo.com > > Hi all, > I have been making and selling colloidal silver, colloidal gold > colloidal platinum and cs generators for the past two years. > I would like to share the benefit of my experience with the list, > especially those new to the list who are thinking of making or > buying a cs generator. In my opinion the lvdc generator is the > most practical. In serious infections such as lyme,etc. I think the > frequency of ingestion is more important than the PPM. I have found > that 5-10 PPM handles everything I have come across. I think that a > filter is VERY important. You will usually find large particles on > top of the filter. If you have any questions I will try to answer them > off list. > Keep in good health. > Ron Brennen > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour --- End Message ---