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Even with antivirus there's no guarantee and stuff still can get throughhope you r comp. troubles are over. it can't be much fun having to overhaul your whole system. - Original Message - From: Larry Biggar To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! The reason why the attackers don't bother with mac. Is that thier world sales are so small its not worth the bother. They'd rather go where they can get the most bang for thier time. Regards, Larry --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 3:48 AM That's what I like about the Mac, you don't need these anti-virus programmes! dee On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:11, MaryAnn Helland wrote: OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA
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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: In that case I hope Macs world sales don't *get* any bigger! Although I can't understand why they are not as I find it far superior for most things. As we have discussed before, it is the price. Macs just cost so much more (around 3 times more last I looked) that though I really, really would like to go back to a Mac, I just can't afford it...and on top of that, could REALLY not afford to replace all my peripherals sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In that case I hope Macs world sales don't *get* any bigger! Although I can't understand why they are not as I find it far superior for most things. dee On 20 Nov 2009, at 17:24, Larry Biggar wrote: > The reason why the attackers don't bother with mac. Is that thier world sales > are so small its not worth the bother. They'd rather go where they can get > the most bang for thier time. Regards, Larry > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: >
Re: CS>I'm sorry!
The reason why the attackers don't bother with mac. Is that thier world sales are so small its not worth the bother. They'd rather go where they can get the most bang for thier time. Regards, Larry --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 3:48 AM That's what I like about the Mac, you don't need these anti-virus programmes! dee On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:11, MaryAnn Helland wrote: OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA
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Hi Larry. I replied to Mike before reading your post. So I think I understand this -- you're saying that it was your sister's computer that sent the spam to the silver list, is that right? And that your two programs did not fail (for your computer)? Hope you were kidding about the "lives so tragically messed up" part -- as I explained to Mike, this is just particularly interesting to me because I have a very dim understanding about spyware and malware and trojans and firewalls, etc. And I'm trying to figure out how to protect my computer without a) understanding it all, and b) without spending money to do so. :-) MA From: Larry Biggar To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 9:07:49 PM Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! As i have been trouble shooting and repairing computers at Intel and in my own business for over 20 years. I have a little knowledge in software. My ex boss at Intel and my friend who was the site manager of all computers of a big hospital here have all traded software. Plus the free factory tryouts from all the software manufactures. So since my sisters basicly had my copied hard drive on hers. Without firewalls. Any of my email addresses were to her compromised computer just a lagit as mine. So when whoever put the spyware in her system came into mine. I just know now. Not to give it back to her untill i'm completely done. Now i immagine that we can go about our daily activities doing what we all do. Before our lives were so tragicly messed up. Oh how id like the rest! Regards, Larry --- On Thu, 11/19/09, M. G. Devour wrote: >From: M. G. Devour >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 12:14 PM > > >I sympathize, MaryAnn! > >I've been in touch with Larry about this and it does appear to be, 1) >not intentional on his part, 2) a relatively well-contained problem >that should not cause us much problem long-term. > >As near as I can interpret, his sister's computer got infected and the >mal-ware managed to stick his address on an e-mail and spam it to, >among others, the silver-list address. I got a private copy, too, if >it's any consolation to y'all! > >If it gets severe, I'm sure Larry'll absent himself until things are >better. If not, I'll be here to... ahem... help him do the right thing. > >List-owner, out! > >Peace, > >Mike D. > >> OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and >> rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that >> sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister >> did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she >> inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System >> Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm >> confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did >> your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer >> savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated >> to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Larry Biggar >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:26:19 PM >> Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! >> >> >> I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot >> and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. >> I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton >> 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it >> in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry >> >> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: >> >> >> >From: MaryAnn Helland >> >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! >> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM >> > >> > >> >Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your >> >computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. >> >Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it >> >cleaned up. MA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> From: Larry Biggar >> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM >> >Subject: CS>I'm sorry! >> > >> > >> >I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must >> >have been something to d
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Hi Mike. Jeez it's nice to hear from you -- and see your name in the *from* section of my mailbox!! :-D Yeah -- I got it that Larry isn't doing this intentionally. And I think we're all happy that the problem has been contained. It wasn't a great big problem to begin with, but when those things come through from the same person a couple of times, it's noteworthy, and makes you at least wonder if they're sharing something they think is worthwhile. It made complete sense when Larry explained that he wasn't purposely sending those -- we all got to see the wonderful world of sneaky internet advertising at it's best!! But I was curious about Larry's remarks. I didn't understand them, first of all. And if he said what I think he said, I'm confused about the two programs that he said were so good -- yet the malware got through anyway. This was particularly interesting to me at this point in time because I've been trying to download free programs for virus and malware protection for my laptop (and not having much luck). And here's a big-time computer guy (Intel, no less -- wow) with what sounds like some pretty serious computer protection -- and spam got through anyway. If that's true -- there's NO HOPE for any of us!! Why am I spending my valuable free time trying to make my computer accept a program that's not cooperating when it'll all be deafeated anyway Boy -- computers are a blessing and a curse, aren't they? Anyway -- I wasn't trying to hassle Larry -- hope he understands that. And if he's so inclined, I'd still like to hear how he thinks the spam got past his efforts to block it. IF (great big letters there) he can explain it in such a way that us computer dummies can understand it. Can you imagine what Wayne would be having to say about all of this :-) OK -- "List Owner, out" -- but try to pop *in* more often, would ya? We like hearing from you. (smile) MA ________________ From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 2:14:15 PM Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! I sympathize, MaryAnn! I've been in touch with Larry about this and it does appear to be, 1) not intentional on his part, 2) a relatively well-contained problem that should not cause us much problem long-term. As near as I can interpret, his sister's computer got infected and the mal-ware managed to stick his address on an e-mail and spam it to, among others, the silver-list address. I got a private copy, too, if it's any consolation to y'all! If it gets severe, I'm sure Larry'll absent himself until things are better. If not, I'll be here to... ahem... help him do the right thing. List-owner, out! Peace, Mike D. > OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and > rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that > sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister > did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she > inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System > Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm > confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did > your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer > savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated > to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA > > > > > > From: Larry Biggar > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > > > I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot > and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. > I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton > 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it > in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > > > >From: MaryAnn Helland > >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM > > > > > >Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your > >computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. > >Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it > >cleaned up. MA > > > > > > > > > > From: Larry Biggar > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM > >Subject: CS>I'm sorry! > > > > > >I don
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That's what I like about the Mac, you don't need these anti-virus programmes! dee On 19 Nov 2009, at 21:11, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt > her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that sentence does > not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister did not have virus > protection on her computer? And that she inadvertently sent the virus to > your computer? But that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been > installed on her computer? I'm confused. If these programs give very good > protection, then how did your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not > being computer savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're > obligated to, but because I'd like to understand this. > MA >
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As i have been trouble shooting and repairing computers at Intel and in my own business for over 20 years. I have a little knowledge in software. My ex boss at Intel and my friend who was the site manager of all computers of a big hospital here have all traded software. Plus the free factory tryouts from all the software manufactures. So since my sisters basicly had my copied hard drive on hers. Without firewalls. Any of my email addresses were to her compromised computer just a lagit as mine. So when whoever put the spyware in her system came into mine. I just know now. Not to give it back to her untill i'm completely done. Now i immagine that we can go about our daily activities doing what we all do. Before our lives were so tragicly messed up. Oh how id like the rest! Regards, Larry --- On Thu, 11/19/09, M. G. Devour wrote: From: M. G. Devour Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 12:14 PM I sympathize, MaryAnn! I've been in touch with Larry about this and it does appear to be, 1) not intentional on his part, 2) a relatively well-contained problem that should not cause us much problem long-term. As near as I can interpret, his sister's computer got infected and the mal-ware managed to stick his address on an e-mail and spam it to, among others, the silver-list address. I got a private copy, too, if it's any consolation to y'all! If it gets severe, I'm sure Larry'll absent himself until things are better. If not, I'll be here to... ahem... help him do the right thing. List-owner, out! Peace, Mike D. > OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and > rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that > sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister > did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she > inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System > Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm > confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did > your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer > savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated > to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA > > > > > ________________ > From: Larry Biggar > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > > > I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot > and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. > I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton > 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it > in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > > > >From: MaryAnn Helland > >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM > > > > > >Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your > >computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. > >Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it > >cleaned up. MA > > > > > > > > > > From: Larry Biggar > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM > >Subject: CS>I'm sorry! > > > > > >I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must > >have been something to do with the problems you had these last few > >days. I appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for > >you. Since i deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I sympathize, MaryAnn! I've been in touch with Larry about this and it does appear to be, 1) not intentional on his part, 2) a relatively well-contained problem that should not cause us much problem long-term. As near as I can interpret, his sister's computer got infected and the mal-ware managed to stick his address on an e-mail and spam it to, among others, the silver-list address. I got a private copy, too, if it's any consolation to y'all! If it gets severe, I'm sure Larry'll absent himself until things are better. If not, I'll be here to... ahem... help him do the right thing. List-owner, out! Peace, Mike D. > OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and > rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that > sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister > did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she > inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System > Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm > confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did > your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer > savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated > to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA > > > > > ________ > From: Larry Biggar > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > > > I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot > and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. > I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton > 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it > in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > > > >From: MaryAnn Helland > >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM > > > > > >Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your > >computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. > >Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it > >cleaned up. MA > > > > > > > > > > From: Larry Biggar > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM > >Subject: CS>I'm sorry! > > > > > >I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must > >have been something to do with the problems you had these last few > >days. I appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for > >you. Since i deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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OK -- what am I missing? "Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt her computer" -- what? I'm not real computer savvy, but that sentence does not make any sense to me. Are you saying that your sister did not have virus protection on her computer? And that she inadvertently sent the virus to your computer? But that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 has now been installed on her computer? I'm confused. If these programs give very good protection, then how did your computer get infected? Arggghhh -- I hate not being computer savvy. So -- straighten me out please. Not because you're obligated to, but because I'd like to understand this. MA From: Larry Biggar To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:26:19 PM Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: >From: MaryAnn Helland >Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM > > >Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your computer >and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. Might be a good >idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it cleaned up. >MA > > > > From: Larry Biggar >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM >Subject: CS>I'm sorry! > > >I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must have >been something to do with the problems you had these last few days. I >appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for you. Since i >deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry >
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I'm retired lead computer tech team leader from Intel. I have a little bit of knowledge --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Annie B Smythe wrote: From: Annie B Smythe Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 11:24 AM Could be a spoofer. Sorry Larry. There are folks who join lists just to send spam. I thought you were one of those. I was wrong. I apologize, please forgive my jump to conclusion. :) Annie MaryAnn Helland wrote: > > Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your computer > and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. Might be a good > idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it cleaned up. MA > > *From:* Larry Biggar > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM > *Subject:* CS>I'm sorry! > > I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must have > been something to do with the problems you had these last few days. I > appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for you. Since i > deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I've traced it back to my sister. Turned out that after a trouble shot and rebuilt her computer. She hadn't put a couple of virus programs. I've found when a boss at Intel that the Iolo System Mechanic and Norton 360 Gives very good protection.My retired boss from there and i put it in every new computer sale. Regards! Larry --- On Thu, 11/19/09, MaryAnn Helland wrote: From: MaryAnn Helland Subject: Re: CS>I'm sorry! To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:48 AM Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it cleaned up. MA From: Larry Biggar To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM Subject: CS>I'm sorry! I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must have been something to do with the problems you had these last few days. I appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for you. Since i deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry
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Could be a spoofer. Sorry Larry. There are folks who join lists just to send spam. I thought you were one of those. I was wrong. I apologize, please forgive my jump to conclusion. :) Annie MaryAnn Helland wrote: Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it cleaned up. MA *From:* Larry Biggar *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM *Subject:* CS>I'm sorry! I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must have been something to do with the problems you had these last few days. I appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for you. Since i deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Larry. More than likely you have a trojan that has infected your computer and is sending emails to your contacts list automatically. Might be a good idea to take your computer in somewhere and have it cleaned up. MA From: Larry Biggar To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:07:24 AM Subject: CS>I'm sorry! I don't know how you received this spam. I got it and deleted it. Must have been something to do with the problems you had these last few days. I appriciate all of you and this sight. I wouldn't want it for you. Since i deleted it myself. Thanks, Larry