Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: Hi all, as the subject says, I've switched to a Dlink DFE-530TX pci ethernet card - which I believe is supported but I can't find which module to use. Ugh, I bought one of these card from Harvey Norman. I had scanned through the Ethernet HOWTO and found the "DE-530". Nice Tulip card, I thought. Stupid me. I should have written down the model and been wary of the extra letters. It's a RealTek 8139 based card, and isn't worth half the money that D-link is selling 'em for. All I get are timeout errors with both the D-link and another (cheaper) RTL8139 card. And with both 2.2.16 (or whatever Debian Potato r0 comes with) and 2.4.0. Has anyone had any luck with these cards? I thought my newly-acquired network gear was broken until I brought the SparcStation LX home and it worked straight away - My trusty 2 year-old Tulip was the only other working card I had! If I work up the courage, I'll take back the D-link and get some nice Intel EtherExpress-100 or Tulip cards from someone else! bye -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mgetty - cannot set controlling tty (ioctl) ??
Hey All, I'm hoping someone has struck this one before - it's driving me insane! One of our boxes has a modem hanging off it, which one of our management-types dials into We had a small power outage (ok, maybe not so small - half of the western suburbs of canberra were out, according to actew), and that machine has it's own UPS, which didn't last the length of the outage (I got about 20 seconds notice of the UPS failure, not the 5 minutes i'm accustomed to.. - not impressed... :(, so the machine went down cold.. When it came back up, everything was fine, except we're now having troubles with the dialin.. Using minicom, I can dial out, and answer calls back into the machine.. - however mgetty (run from inittab - T1:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x9 -D -s 57600 ttyS1 -n 2) spits out an error, then quits.. /var/log/mgetty/mg_ttyS1 says: 02/13 16:27:41 yS1 cannot set controlling tty (ioctl): Operation not permitted 02/13 16:28:11 # failed dev=ttyS1, pid=32463, got signal 15, exiting the perms on /dev/ttyS1 look ok to me, comparing them to those on other servers with the same config..: crw-rw 1 root dialout4, 65 Feb 15 19:44 ttyS1 The box is a PII-400, running Deb 2.1 and kernel 2.2.17. Any thought's GREATLY appreciated - the management-type who usually dials into it is starting to get restless. ;) Regards, Damien Gardner Jnr - Dip.EE StudIEAust [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.rendrag.net/ Ph: 0417 055 052 - Fax: 02 6255 8663 -- I'm a Pisces - don't tell me anything you don't want my ASIO shadows to overhear -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
Herbert Xu wrote:
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was hoping to receive a few more contributions! :)
OK, can't leave gawk out can we,
gawk 'BEGIN { print strftime("%c", 10^9) }'
This is really a scripting job.
MySQL is handy for quick numeric calcs, but giga seconds is messy:
mysql -e 'select FROM_UNIXTIME(10,"%a %b %e %T %Y") giga_second'
The C solution is verbose, clunky, and takes Real Programming:
echo -e "#include time.h\n#include stdio.h\nint main() { time_t const t = 1e9;
printf(\"%s\",ctime(t)); return 1;
}"s.c | gcc s.c; ./a.out
As always, trojan-check source code. The above could have read:
echo -e "#include nefarious.h\nint main() { return awful_crack(); }"s.c | gcc s.c;
./a.out
Tomorrow, the C++ version, if line length allows.
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Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
quote who="Ian Tester" It's a RealTek 8139 based card, and isn't worth half the money that D-link is selling 'em for. VIA Rhine, in fact. All I get are timeout errors with both the D-link and another (cheaper) RTL8139 card. And with both 2.2.16 (or whatever Debian Potato r0 comes with) and 2.4.0. Has anyone had any luck with these cards? I've had nothing but success with rtl8139-based cards. Yes, they are for non-critical or budget installations, but for those purposes they're fine. Use the 8139too module with Linux 2.2. I *strongly* recommend downloading Donald Becker's drivers (linked from scyld.com), as they are generally better than their older main kernel distributed counterparts. (Write a script to update your kernel trees.) In addition to the drivers, there are some very helpful troubleshooting / hardware detection tools, and links to the driver devel and bug lists. Donald is very helpful with driver/card issues too. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Ian Tester" It's a RealTek 8139 based card, and isn't worth half the money that D-link is selling 'em for. VIA Rhine, in fact. No, it's an RTL8139. Looking at the the box again, it's a "DFE-530TX+". Maybe the "non-plus" is a rhine. Gee, looks like D-link is really shopping around... All I get are timeout errors with both the D-link and another (cheaper) RTL8139 card. And with both 2.2.16 (or whatever Debian Potato r0 comes with) and 2.4.0. Has anyone had any luck with these cards? I've had nothing but success with rtl8139-based cards. Yes, they are for non-critical or budget installations, but for those purposes they're fine. Use the 8139too module with Linux 2.2. From memory, I believe my family's linux server is running with an 8139 card. On top of that, it's with kernel 2.2 and the original 8139 driver, not the newer 8139too. I wonder what I'm doing differently here... I *strongly* recommend downloading Donald Becker's drivers (linked from scyld.com), as they are generally better than their older main kernel distributed counterparts. (Write a script to update your kernel trees.) I'll have to have a look at Donalds' drivers. How's he getting along with Linus and the other kernel developers? Last I heard, they'd almost kicked him out because they weren't happy with his "big and infequent" updates. I thought even a couple of his drivers were reassigned new maintainers. bye -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:33:09PM +1100, Ian Tester wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Ian Tester" It's a RealTek 8139 based card, and isn't worth half the money that D-link is selling 'em for. VIA Rhine, in fact. No, it's an RTL8139. Looking at the the box again, it's a "DFE-530TX+". Maybe the "non-plus" is a rhine. Gee, looks like D-link is really shopping around... mine's not got the "+" sign and appears that it should be the via-rhine driver. Unfortunately I keep getting "device busy" messages trying to modprobe/insmod it. Also of concern is that dmesg, messages file, etc don't mention it, the bios pci scan reports it at irq 10 but that's it, /proc/interrupts doesn't list 10 as in use. I have basically just moved my disks from my old PC to a new one with this new ethernet card so I'm wondering if there's some "reconfigure" type thing needed (like solaris' "boot -r") I'm sure there's some obvious thing I'm missing but I'm buggered if I can think of it! Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Markets, was Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards
Terry Collins wrote: Heracles wrote: Don't worry. It was a dig at our pro-markets mob that like businesses with their here today and gone tomorrow business plans, so long as they get a good price. I recently purchased a product(new) at the North Rocks Market and Hmm, let me know when they have been operating under the same name for two years. TiSHUG, a computer club of which I am a director, and have been a member of for nearly 20 years, has dealt with Westgate Technology for around twelve to fifteen years. They have been at the markets at North Rocks since their inception and move their shop from Parramatta to Rydlemare a few years ago (near the Family Hotel). Q-Star computers (I think that is how they spell it) have been in business in the Eastwood shopping complex for around five years that I know of are also at North Rocks, Boomerang Software operate both at the Markets and from a place in Parramatta. I first dealt with them several years ago (four or five). There are two others that sell to schools (orders are sent to their registered business addresses of course) and have been in business for at least five years operating under the same business names. So yes, Terry, there may be a few dodgy dealers at some of the markets, but the majority of them are as legitimate as any other business people. I deal almost exclusively with the people I know well and have only ever bought one item, a hard drive, from a dealer who I did not know and when it failed the waranty was honoured by Seagate with no questions asked. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
quote who="Dave Fitch" Unfortunately I keep getting "device busy" messages trying to modprobe/insmod it. Also of concern is that dmesg, messages file, etc don't mention it, the bios pci scan reports it at irq 10 but that's it, /proc/interrupts doesn't list 10 as in use. You might want to check if it's in a bus master shared slot on your motherboard. Have a read of your mobo manual, it should say there. I had exactly the same problem with an eepro10/100+. People give these things *idiotic* names (as evidenced by Ian's DLink card - STPID!) I've just heard that some memory manufacturers are going to start numbering their chips with the peak bandwidth. Why is this dumb? Because the interesting number is the bus frequency (like the 66 or 100MHz ratings we're used to with memory and motherboards). Why is it being done? Because PC1600 sounds a lot c00ler and h4rdc0re than PC100 (but doesn't give any additional useful information). Feh. Marketing snotballs. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] majordomo
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 06:03:29PM +1100, Alister Waller wrote: anyone got any idea why my majordomo list doesn't work no more?? Looks like your using smrsh as the sendmail shell. This only lets sendmail run programs that live in a certain directory /usr/lib/sendmail off the top of my head. You either need to put a copy of the majordomo wrapper in there or stop using smrsh. Check you sendmail.mc and .cf - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l all all-list" (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l all all-list"... Service unavailable regards Alister Waller (B. Comp) Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294 www.roadtechsystems.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- John Ferlito Senior Engineer - Bulletproof Networks ph: +61 (0) 410 519 382 http://www.bulletproof.net.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
quote who="Rick Welykochy"
MySQL is handy for quick numeric calcs, but giga seconds is messy:
Sick puppy. Mind you...
echo -e "? echo date('D M j H:i:s Y', 10) . '\n'; ?" | php -q
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
So a lot of smaller companies will innovate to a much higher extend that one large company because each of the companies has their way of doing things. This is what really gets me. We have been standing still or even have been going backwards for years now. I cant even imagine where we might be without Micorsofts politics . 1. Microsoft has never been, or ever will be, a "software company" - they are a MARKETING company, and a damn successful one (definition: success = $$$ 0) 2. They buy up other companies, not to prevent competition (which is the ultimate result, I admit), but to own successful products. 3. They then fsck up those products (FrontPage 1.0 by Vemeer was a great piece of software - when M$ got their teeth into it, it turned into crap). 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker). When WordPerfect came to them and said "We like your O/S - we want to make our software run under it", M$ should have said "No, we sell WORD as a WP program - go write your own GUI - in fact, we'll make damn sure it WON'T run under Windows". Yes, they wpould have been relying on the "strength" of Word to win over WP users. Nothing illegal in that But where M$ will never succeed is with the likes of the average SLUG user (i.e. people who WANT to learn about their O/S and want to "improve" it) - the average punter wants to turn his computer on and process words, surf the net, etc. Doesn't want to know about device drivers, INI files, etc. people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of things unless they really REALLY want to go there. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Markets, was Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 09:25:16PM +1100, Heracles wrote: So yes, Terry, there may be a few dodgy dealers at some of the markets, but the majority of them are as legitimate as any other business people. I deal almost exclusively with the people I know well and have only ever bought one item, a hard drive, from a dealer who I did not know and when it failed the waranty was honoured by Seagate with no questions asked. And this is the real point; the manufacturer's waranty is honoured by them. I've dealt with about 4 different computer resellers who have gone out of business. Two had 1 shop each, one had two and one had 3. 3 of them were large, well appointed shops, not dodgy backroom things. It's a tough business - companies fold. Live with it. -- Stephen Norris[EMAIL PROTECTED] Farrow Norris Pty Ltd +61 417 243 239 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as "consumers liked it". Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker). When WordPerfect came to them and said "We like your O/S - we want to make our software run under it", M$ should have said "No, we sell WORD as a WP program - go write your own GUI - in fact, we'll make damn sure it WON'T run under Windows". Yes, they wpould have been relying on the "strength" of Word to win over WP users. Nothing illegal in that Maybe not in this country, but in the US there is plenty illegal about it. They did a less harsh version of that to Netscape, and that was definately ruled illegal. cheers, Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
quote who="Jon Biddell" people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of things unless they really REALLY want to go there. Seen the pictures of Windows XP? Another idiotic name. I honestly thought we'd get to that point sooner, given the interest in embedded device interfaces, etc. I didn't think MS would tune in so fast. One thing they're missing in all of this is X. It may have been seen as an Achilles Heel for some time, but with constant improvements and many more reasons to use the remote display stuff, we can cause some grief if we use it right. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "They cosset us with trappings to shut us up. That way when we say 'sharecropper!' you can point to my free suit and say 'Shut up pop star.'" - Courtney Love -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Analogue for QBASIC
Bill Bennett wrote: When I changed to Linux, I was in the process of teaching myself a computer language, viz., QBasic---which is, unfortunately, etc. Has anybody had any experience with a Linux analogue? Someone suggested Chipmunk, but I thought I'd ask about. Any suggestions gratefully received. Bill, Have a look at Borland Pascal. There is a good equivalent for it available for Linux - check Linuxberg, which is part of Tucows, for Pascal. The language is very similar to Quick Basic (Qbasic is a subset of this) and you should find it quite easy to move across. You could then move on to Kylix (sp?) which is the port of Delphi (vaguely similar to Visual Basic) to Linux. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
At 10:02 PM 15/02/01 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Jon Biddell" people with even a little level of IT knowledge will soon realose what a loosing proposition Windows is in the long term - although there is a need for a "turn key" distro that doesn't let the user into the "guts" of things unless they really REALLY want to go there. Seen the pictures of Windows XP? Another idiotic name. No, where can I see them ? Couldn't find them on M$ site -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] GUI Warfare
quote who="Jon Biddell" No, where can I see them ? Couldn't find them on M$ site Many apologies for posting these: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/guide/newlook.asp [ Linked from the front page, Jon! :) ] - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, flourescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
5 REM With the recent talk about BASIC being useless 6 REM I just had to demonstrate the utility of BASIC 7 REM in the modern Linux community. 9 LET DAY$="" 00010 LET DATE$="" 00011 LET TIME$="" 00012 LET YEAR=0 00020 GOTO 50010 00030 LET DATE$=" September" 00040 GOTO 00600 00050 GOTO 00060 00055 FOR I=1 TO 2001 00056 LET YEAR=YEAR+1 00057 NEXT I 00058 PRINT DAY$,DATE$,YEAR,TIME$ 00059 END 00060 LET TIME$=" 11:46:40" 00070 GOTO 00055 00600 LET DATE$=DATE$+" the ninth" 00610 GOTO 00050 50010 LET DAY$="Sunday" 50020 GOTO 00030 50030 REM A finer bowl of spaghetti was never prepared. :-) 50040 REM Hell, I once wrote an 'Eliza' clone in BASIC. 50050 REM (Yes, I am seeking counselling) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: : Re: [SLUG] majordomo
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 15/02/01 at 21:19 John Ferlito wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 06:03:29PM +1100, Alister Waller wrote: anyone got any idea why my majordomo list doesn't work no more?? Looks like your using smrsh as the sendmail shell. This only lets sendmail run programs that live in a certain directory /usr/lib/sendmail off the top of my head. You either need to put a copy of the majordomo wrapper in there or stop using smrsh. Check you sendmail.mc and .cf - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l all all-list" (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l all all-list"... Service unavailable That error is the SMRSH as mentioned, have you upgraded Sendmail or something? also, use a symlink, not the wrapper in the SMRSH dir to the majordomo wrapper, this is in the Majordomo FAQ's IIRC Regards Greg Wright -- IT Consultant Sydney Australia PH 0418 292020 Available for Global Contracts Int. +61 418 292020 web http://www.ausit.come-mail Greg AT AusIT.com Trading As - AAA Computers, ITpro, Ozzie Soft, providers of IT services. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI Warfare
At 10:49 PM 15/02/01 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Jon Biddell" No, where can I see them ? Couldn't find them on M$ site Many apologies for posting these: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/guide/newlook.asp [ Linked from the front page, Jon! :) ] Couldn't see the link - too late I guess...:-( But when I looked at the images - does anyone think these remind you of BOB ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI Warfare
quote who="Jon Biddell" Couldn't see the link - too late I guess...:-( But when I looked at the images - does anyone think these remind you of BOB ? Neh. Bob was a house with a purple jerkoff in it who just pestered you and gave subliminal messages for you to eat herrings with celery. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
begin ... upon a time: Rick Welykochy wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ken Yap wrote:
That's what I mean by powers of 2. We could have "clock bit 12 changed
state" parties. :-)
Geek overload detector: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
Scotty: Captain, the computer's holo-matrix is imploding. I think
Ken's hit the geek event horizon!
Capt: Scotty, reroute all comms to slug-chat. Steady as she goes.
--endlog--
Rick now recants. I've found a solution to the gigasecond
output program using INTERCAL (see http://intercal.com).
My output from the INTERCAL script is as follows:
Mon Sep 1,291:23:12 2
The complete source for a bash script that does the job is attached.
- attachment: INTErCAL.BASH --
#!/bin/bash
STOPTHISTHANG=1
IntercalCompiler=ICC
Intercal_EN_Compiler=$ICC
Intercal_DE_Compiler=echo
CXX=$Intercal_DE_Compiler
ECHO="echo -n"
GCC=${ECHO}
if \
[ ! \
"$STOPTHISTHANG" \
-ne \
"0" ]
then
echo
echo "Hiyall"
fi
Kyk8k9kookoo=" 1011101000110010001101010101
010101 0000100100010111011010110001\n
1 1101 0010111011010001011101101000101110110101
101101 00010110110010111010001101101
100 01 0001000100101110101110000101000110011\n\r
1 1 01 00011010111010111011010011011\r
10 01 000110100010111010110100010110111\r
0 11 0001101000101 1000101 1011010001 1110110111\r
1 01 11 11 00 01 1000101 x.;.;;''``^^--_+redrum10 100191921723 oh shit"
echo -e -n --version /dev/null 21
kermit_hash_source=$Kyk8k9kookoo
# METANOTE: see NOTES below
# MY $ECHO=echo
ECHO="$ECHO -e"
# perl -epeepee "redrummer eats heart" /dev/null
badabing='Mon Sep 1,291:23:12 2'
badabing_v2="${badabing}001"
CORBA_Broker_Bork=Rejkyvik
if [ "$1" = "bada-bing" ]; then
# $(ECHO) f-f-f--f-f-f--f---f--f-f-f-f-f-f--A-R_T
echo $badabing_v2
elif [ "$1" = "debug" ]; then
$ECHO $kermit_hash_source
elif [ "$1" = "hell" ]; then
$ECHO "'$0: demonstrate giga-second calculations using INTERNAL'"
elif [ "$1" = "help" -o "$1" = "--help" -o "$1" = "-?" ]; then
$GCC "ICL505 SINCE ME: HEL FILE CLASSIFRIED 'TOP SECRET' RATED 'X'
ON THE WAY I DROPPED A HIT
CORRECT HOUSE AND RE-LEVERAGE"
echo -e "\n\n\nTry This: $0 bada-ping\n\n"
else
echo "ICL007K WARNING: MI-5/CIA CLASSIFIED LEVEL A-GRADE POOP
ON THE WAY TO THE STORE
CORRECT HORSE AND RESNUBIT"
fi
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Errata [was: re:re: ReRe: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party]dorka]]
In the INTERCAL giga-second script V0. , the --help option is incorrect. Replace with this non-patch file: bada-bing -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Tired of being a crash test dummy for Microsoft? Try Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as "consumers liked it". The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade often, if ever. We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS. -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
They are getting so desperate that they have to produce more than just software. Thats why They've put out their competetor to Sony's Playstation 2, and thats why they released Windows CE...to compete with the Palm Pilot. Soon they will be getting so desperate they will be trying to compete with Ford and Holden to make the fastest,safest, and most user friendly family vehicle and right down the sides it will have written "Where do you want to go today". Its not in Microsofts nature to think for them selves...they always wait until someone else comes up with an idea, they steal it but make it bigger, better, faster, smaller, quieter, louder, safer. I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves.. - Original Message - Date: Fri February 16, 2001 12:48 AM From: Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: SLUG Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as "consumers liked it". The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade often, if ever. We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS. -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
They are getting so desperate that they have to produce more than just software. Thats why They've put out their competetor to Sony's Playstation 2, and thats why they released Windows CE...to compete with the Palm Pilot. Soon they will be getting so desperate they will be trying to compete with Ford and Holden to make the fastest,safest, and most user friendly family vehicle and right down the sides it will have written "Where do you want to go today". Its not in Microsofts nature to think for them selves...they always wait until someone else comes up with an idea, they steal it but make it bigger, better, faster, smaller, quieter, louder, safer. I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves.. Chris Barnes System Support Officer RAMS Home Loans Pty Ltd. - Original Message - Date: Fri February 16, 2001 12:48 AM From: Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: SLUG Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Martin wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Not so, a key issue in the anti-trust case was that Microsoft put illegal pressure on OEMs to bundle windows, and include it in the price. Many customers got very little choice in the matter, and this helped windows become the dominant consumer platform it is today. And as you correctly pointed out, like all M$ products it got where it did at least somewhat based on marketing, which is not quite the same as "consumers liked it". The problem for MS now is that of market saturation. They've depended on OEM bundling for so long, and the last few years has seen a world-wide explosion in PC sales (driven by the attraction of cheap communications with the Internet). But now almost everyone who can afford/want a computer has one. PC Sales are dropping off and alot of home users don't upgrade often, if ever. We're starting to see MS becoming desperate as their revenue stream dries up. They're looking for new markets to attack, like embedded devices and the "enterprise" platform. Just look at all the FUD that came out after the release of the "enterprise ready" Linux 2.4 kernel from places like ZDnet, no doubt influenced by their #1 advertiser: MS. -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ATO Fails to Deliver on Linux Promise M$ on Crack
No ECI client for Linux.. (and why do we bother paying them money??) http://linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?nid=472tid=2 M$ on crack.. http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?tag=ltnc Maybe the ATO has been listening to what the Empire has to say about those fascist Linux pigs again? hehehe ;-) Have a great day Sluggers, David S.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: 4. Re: the anti-trust case - no-one forced people to buy Windows - they could have used CPM, Unix, OS/2, etc. etc. etc. Windows became the "standard" because people liked it. Not true. Microsoft brought pressure to bear against major PC manufacturers to force sale of the Windows "Operating System" to be bundled with sold PC's. That was proven conclusively in the case in the US. People weren't offered a choice - witness the "I wanna buy a laptop without Windows on it" case which was discussed on SLUG a couple of years ago - it was almost impossible to get the manufacturers/retailers to sell PC's without Windows - and even if they did, you didn't get any money off for not buying it! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Errata [was: re:re: ReRe: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party]dorka]]
quote who="Rick Welykochy" In the INTERCAL giga-second script V0. , the --help option is incorrect. GAR! I thought the only penance worthy of my PHP one-liner was to hack something up in INTERCAL. You know that X Files (probably the only one I remember very well) with the dude who has to go west after having sub-sonic government experiments turn his brain into mush? Yeah, just like that. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's wetter around the edges. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: mine's not got the "+" sign and appears that it should be the via-rhine driver. Unfortunately I keep getting "device busy" messages trying to modprobe/insmod it. You're sure the driver isn't already loaded or built into the kernel? reasonably sure (it's the default debian 2.2r2 kernel off the install CD - 2.2.18pre21). Also of concern is that dmesg, messages file, etc don't mention it, the bios pci scan reports it at irq 10 but that's it, /proc/interrupts doesn't list 10 as in use. So, doing an 'lspci -v' or 'cat /proc/pci' shows the card? yes /proc/pci shows it, right address and interrupt. I was beginning to doubt the card was seated in properly or something similar but dug out an old dos boot disk and ran the diag program that came on a floppy with the card and it found it all working ok. It is definitely a Rhine chip on the card? i think so yes I have basically just moved my disks from my old PC to a new one with this new ethernet card so I'm wondering if there's some "reconfigure" type thing needed (like solaris' "boot -r") You might want to go into the BIOS setup and configure the IRQ allocation (PNP setup?). PCI cards are Plug 'n Play, but if some non-PnP ISA card is wanting IRQ 10 you should indicate this in the BIOS setup. i.e set it to "legacy/ISA" or whatever. Then the card will be allocated a different IRQ when the system starts. the only ISA card was an old soundblaster - and it wasn't setup. For now, I've put the old ISA ethernet card back in - which works fine (ewrk3 module). I'll try your IRQ idea above and also Jeff's bus mastering PCI slot idea on the weekend but if all that fails I'll take the card back and keep using the old ISA one. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I work up the courage, I'll take back the D-link and get some nice Intel EtherExpress-100 or Tulip cards from someone else! I've got a "thing" about the Intel Etherexpress cards after all the trouble we had with them at work. I've rabbited on before about them, we now only use 3COM 905B 10/100 cards now and have never had a problem (connecting to Cisco gear). The reason I bought the Dlink instead is it's way cheaper, I am happy with the Dlink 650-TXD pcmcia card I bought for my laptop and I don't need top performance for my home network. Second point, returning things to Hardly Normal is no problem. I returned a modem that didn't work properly, but I wanted to swap it for a more expensive model (and pay the difference) so that probably helped. A previous occasion was years ago I returned a crap sound card and CDROM combo. They took some convincing then, I had to speak to the manager, mention phrases like "it doesn't work as advertised", "trade practices act" and generally hang around making a nuisance of myself but I got a full refund. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
I think it was a small BASIC interpreter that ran in a ROM. Which brings us back to the title of the subject, of course... .vbs - Jill. -- Jill Rowling, Snr Des. Eng. Unix System Administrator Eng. Systems Dept, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Chris Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I cant think of 1 thing M$ have created by them selves.. -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE -- This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, distribution, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. Confidentiality attached to this communication is not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify us by return e-mail or telephone Aristocrat Technologies Australia Pty Limited on +61 2 9413 6300. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
On 15 Feb, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: - Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] - If I work up the courage, I'll take back the D-link and get some nice - Intel EtherExpress-100 or Tulip cards from someone else! - - I've got a "thing" about the Intel Etherexpress cards after all - the trouble we had with them at work. I've rabbited on before - about them, we now only use 3COM 905B 10/100 cards now and - have never had a problem (connecting to Cisco gear). The reason - I bought the Dlink instead is it's way cheaper, I am happy - with the Dlink 650-TXD pcmcia card I bought for my laptop and I - don't need top performance for my home network. as a matter of fact the eepro "problems" basically resulted in intel pointing a finger at cisco for generating malformed ehternet packets... and sicso pointing a finger at intel saying its a perfectly fine packet and that intle just dont handle all proper packets right. in the ned theres patches in the kernel now that fix the eepro problem - draga (one of the guys here at va) fixed it. - Second point, returning things to Hardly Normal is no problem. - I returned a modem that didn't work properly, but I wanted to - swap it for a more expensive model (and pay the difference) so - that probably helped. A previous occasion was years ago I - returned a crap sound card and CDROM combo. They took some - convincing then, I had to speak to the manager, mention phrases - like "it doesn't work as advertised", "trade practices act" and - generally hang around making a nuisance of myself but I got a - full refund. - - Dave. - - -- --- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
we now only use 3COM 905B 10/100 cards now and have never had a problem (connecting to Cisco gear). We use Netgear cards here at work and I have mainly D-link ones at home. Never had any problems with either of them (except for the tulip/via-rhine confusion with the 530TX, which was just me not reading the docs right). Basically you should find a card that meets your needs and is the right blend of the cost vs reliability tradeoff and stick to that brand and model once you have done a bit of research on how well supported it is (that is what the ethernet HOWTO [http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html] and linux hardware compatability [http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO-12.html] guys are trying to help us with) and some testing of your own. my 2 cents marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Feb, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: - Ian Tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] - If I work up the courage, I'll take back the D-link and get some nice - Intel EtherExpress-100 or Tulip cards from someone else! - - I've got a "thing" about the Intel Etherexpress cards after all - the trouble we had with them at work. I've rabbited on before - about them, we now only use 3COM 905B 10/100 cards now and - have never had a problem (connecting to Cisco gear). The reason - I bought the Dlink instead is it's way cheaper, I am happy - with the Dlink 650-TXD pcmcia card I bought for my laptop and I - don't need top performance for my home network. as a matter of fact the eepro "problems" basically resulted in intel pointing a finger at cisco for generating malformed ehternet packets... and sicso pointing a finger at intel saying its a perfectly fine packet and that intle just dont handle all proper packets right. i think I heard something like that was the problem as apparently the eepro cards work ok with other brand switches/hubs. If there's a disagreement in the "standard" I think I'll believe Cisco over Intel. in the ned theres patches in the kernel now that fix the eepro problem - draga (one of the guys here at va) fixed it. this was solaris x86, not linux, but we had the same problems with an NT PC with eepro card being unable to connect to a Cisco switch until we set the switch port config to force it to 10Mb. The 3COM cards I mentioned above handle the auto-negotiation to 100Mb fine. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
Tom Massey wrote: 5 REM With the recent talk about BASIC being useless 6 REM I just had to demonstrate the utility of BASIC 7 REM in the modern Linux community. [cut] 50050 REM (Yes, I am seeking counselling) Rick Welykochy wrote: [cut] #!/bin/bash STOPTHISTHANG=1 IntercalCompiler=ICC Intercal_EN_Compiler=$ICC Intercal_DE_Compiler=echo [cut] CORBA_Broker_Bork=Rejkyvik Capital city of Iceland? if [ "$1" = "bada-bing" ]; then # $(ECHO) f-f-f--f-f-f--f---f--f-f-f-f-f-f--A-R_T echo $badabing_v2 elif [ "$1" = "debug" ]; then $ECHO $kermit_hash_source elif [ "$1" = "hell" ]; then $ECHO "'$0: demonstrate giga-second calculations using INTERNAL'" elif [ "$1" = "help" -o "$1" = "--help" -o "$1" = "-?" ]; then $GCC "ICL505 SINCE ME: HEL FILE CLASSIFRIED 'TOP SECRET' RATED 'X' ON THE WAY I DROPPED A HIT CORRECT HOUSE AND RE-LEVERAGE" echo -e "\n\n\nTry This: $0 bada-ping\n\n" There are some seriously, seriously screwed up individuals on this list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[Fwd: [SLUG] Mgetty - cannot set controlling tty (ioctl) ??]
02/13 16:27:41 yS1 cannot set controlling tty (ioctl): Operation not permitted 02/13 16:28:11 # failed dev=ttyS1, pid=32463, got signal 15, exiting putting http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux/1997-Aug/1454.html through babelfish.altavista.com gets me this: A possibility is the rate of the port. Single dump out mgetty ' policy.h ': / * the default speed used by mgetty - override it with " - s speed " * * WARNING: this is a bit tricky, since some modems insist on going to * 19200 bps when in fax mode. So, if fax receiving with a port speed OF * something else doesn't work, try experimenting with FAX_RECV_SWITCHBD, * and if that doesn't help, try DEFAULT_PORTSPEED 19200 - did you compile it from source? if so have a look for the portspeed... or set it when starting mgetty with the -s switch... this guy (http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2000-01/540.html) had the same problem... maybe drop him an email and see if he ever found a solution... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:02:41AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: output program using INTERCAL (see http://intercal.com). You're a very disturbed individual ... Must be time for a couple of assembler versions. The first one is a whopping 1240 bytes. It cheats by hard-coding the length of the string returned by ctime though: ; gcc -o tmp tmp.S -nostartfiles; strip tmp; objcopy -R .bss -R .data tmp .global _start .extern ctime _start: push$10 ; time push%esp; time callctime mov %eax, %ecx mov $25, %edx ; ctime always returns a 25 byte string xor %ebx, %ebx inc %ebx; stdout xor %eax, %eax addb$4, %al ; write int $0x80 ; syscall mov %ebx, %eax ; exit xor %ebx, %ebx ; status int $0x80 ; syscall By defining the time string as a constant, we can make this much smaller - 320 bytes. I don't think it can be made any smaller without hand-crafting the ELF file: ; gcc -o tmp tmp.S -nostartfiles -nostdlib; strip tmp; objcopy -R .bss -R .data tmp .global _start _start: xor %edx, %edx movb $(time_end - time), %dl; length mov $time, %ecx ; buffer pointer xor %ebx ,%ebx inc %ebx; stdout xor %eax, %eax addb$4, %al ; write int $0x80 ; syscall mov %ebx, %eax ; exit xor %ebx, %ebx ; status int $0x80 ; syscall time: .ascii "Sun Sep 9 11:46:18 2001\n" time_end: Cheers, John -- Object-[dis]oriented INTERCAL. I have seen the compiler, and it runs. Why do I now feel like the hero in one of those H. P. Lovecraft stories who has seen something no mortal man was ever meant to see, and who is marginally less sane thereafter? - Charlie Stross -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what module for dlink dfe530?
Hi Dave, I've been using Dlink DFE 530TX cards for about 18 months and have many RH 6.1 6.2 installations using the Via Rhine. No probs with any of them. Only issue is that RH while identifying the card correctly under auto detect it then reports unknown driver. However if I specify the driver it installs and runs fine. Cheers John Dave Fitch wrote: as the subject says, I've switched to a Dlink DFE-530TX pci ethernet card - which I believe is supported but I can't find which module to use. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
John Clarke wrote:
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:02:41AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote:
output program using INTERCAL (see http://intercal.com).
You're a very disturbed individual ...
Agreed. It is insane trying to convince a well-informed troup like
the Penguinillas that a bash script is actually INTERCAL.
Of course, the real solution for the giga-second in INTERCAL
is as follows:
DO PLEASE DON'T COME FROM HERE
PLEASE DON'T GOSUB #1,2'123'\#125
DO (NEXT) 123
DO PLEASE IDLE(10)
PLEASE FORGET #23123
DO PRINT #10/#13
.1 - - - '"':23/#232323'~.9:9+23'"'
.2 - '"':23/#232323'~.9:9+23'"'
(1) CONTINUE
SPREAD 1
DON'T PLEASE READ OUT "Sep 9 11:46:40 %d%d%d%d{1}"
If anyone can get it to compile run, they are seriously ill and
should seek psychiatric treatment well before the next Slug meeting.
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[SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Latest from the "reverse the FUD sideways up America's backsides and they won't notice" department, oops, sorry, latest from Mickeysoft: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. "Now we can see the insanity inherent in the system." - apologies to M Python and the Holy Grail -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Roiled by being a crash test dummy over Microsoft? Degusteban Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
Rick Welykochy was once rumoured to have said:
John Clarke wrote:
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:02:41AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote:
output program using INTERCAL (see http://intercal.com).
You're a very disturbed individual ...
Agreed. It is insane trying to convince a well-informed troup like
the Penguinillas that a bash script is actually INTERCAL.
Of course, the real solution for the giga-second in INTERCAL
is as follows:
Nononono. You should do *everything* in Postscript.
---BEGIN
% datecalc.ps
% - Chris Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/mins { 60 mul } bind def
/hours { 60 mins mul } bind def
/days { 24 hours mul } bind def
/months [
31 days % jan
28 days % feb
31 days % mar
30 days % apr
31 days % may
30 days % jun
31 days % jul
31 days % aug
30 days % sep
31 days % oct
30 days % nov
31 days % dec
] def
/leapmonths [
31 days % jan
29 days % feb
31 days % mar
30 days % apr
31 days % may
30 days % jun
31 days % jul
31 days % aug
30 days % sep
31 days % oct
30 days % nov
31 days % dec
] def
/secyear 365 days def
/secleapyear 366 days def
% year leapyear bool
/leapyear {
% is it a leap year?
dup 4 mod 0 eq exch
dup 100 mod 0 ne exch
400 mod 0 eq
or and
} def
% time_t calcdate year month day hours minutes seconds
/calcdate {
% build a small dictionary for us to use as variable space
8 dict begin
/year 1970 def
/month 1 def
/day 1 def
/hour 0 def
/minute 0 def
/second 0 def
% do years first.
{
year leapyear {secleapyear} {secyear} ifelse % time_t seconds
1 index 1 index lt {exit} if
sub /year year 1 add store
} loop % will exit with: time_t seconds
pop
% now months.
year leapyear {leapmonths} {months} ifelse % time_t [arry]
/monarray exch store
{
monarray month 1 sub get % time_t month_secs
1 index 1 index lt {exit} if
sub /month month 1 add store
} loop % will exit with: time_t monthsecs
pop
% days, hours, minutes and seconds are realtively easy now.
% days
dup 1 days idiv dup day add /day exch store
1 days mul sub
% hours
dup 1 hours idiv dup hour add /hour exch store
1 hours mul sub
% minutes
dup 1 mins idiv dup minute add /minute exch store
1 mins mul sub
% seconds are whatever is left
/second exch store
[ year month day hour minute second ]
end
} def
% [year month day hours minutes seconds printdate] -
/printdate {
dup 2 get 2 string cvs print ( ) print
dup 1 get [(Jan) (Feb) (Mar) (Apr) (May) (Jun) (Jul) (Aug) (Sep) (Oct) (Nov) (Dec)]
exch 1 sub get print ( ) print
dup 0 get 4 string cvs print (, ) print
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Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 11:28:45AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: John Clarke wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:02:41AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: output program using INTERCAL (see http://intercal.com). You're a very disturbed individual ... Agreed. It is insane trying to convince a well-informed troup like the Penguinillas that a bash script is actually INTERCAL. No-one's head exploded, so it obviously wasn't INTERCAL. Of course, the real solution for the giga-second in INTERCAL is as follows: [snipped to protect our remaining sanity from further assault] Bastard. Don't do that again, it's not fair to the more innocent list members. I think there are still one or two left. If anyone can get it to compile run, they are seriously ill and should seek psychiatric treatment well before the next Slug meeting. Indeed. Truly the Bastard Language From Hell. Cheers, John -- "Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life..." -- R. B. Forest -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
his name says it all..ALL CHIN. Wylie Edwards Senior Technician Central Gippsland Health Service Guthridge Pde SALE VIC 3850 Ph: +61 3 5143 8493 Fax : +61 3 5143 8439 Mobile : 0409 854 686 ICQ : 6309168 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Welykochy Sent: Friday, 16 February 2001 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation Latest from the "reverse the FUD sideways up America's backsides and they won't notice" department, oops, sorry, latest from Mickeysoft: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. "Now we can see the insanity inherent in the system." - apologies to M Python and the Holy Grail -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Roiled by being a crash test dummy over Microsoft? Degusteban Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer What an oxymoric pair of statements. From everything we see, intellectual-property laws and the like are what stifle inovation. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
You missed the best part Rick Mr Allchin has declared that M$ now provides FREE Support for their products. "Microsoft provides support to change and develop products based on its operating system software that Linux companies don't, he said. Companies that use Linux in their products then must pay someone else for support, he said." although, on second reading maybe what he is really saing is that M$ are worried that.. "Companies that use Linux in their products then must pay someone else ( NOT MICROSOFT ) " Cheers John Rick Welykochy wrote: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Hopefully, his lower intestine will strangle his brain in an effort to save humanity. de Zwart. Around about 1142h 16/02/2001, Rick Welykochy emitted the following wisdom: These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mozilla growling softly at a naive user.
Hi, thanks for helping me get Mozilla up and running ! I managed to 'untar' it successfully but could never quite get past that step. I then downloaded the 0.7-10 rpm ... and it seemed to vanish somewhere. I switched from Gnome to KDE, configured it to large Lucidabright with the desert-red theme and when I looked at the menu ... there it was. It had installed itself and sat there growling softly. Was I anthropomorphising ? The browser works fine (so far), but none of the popular themes have installed and I keep getting error messages on the Bash terminal: eg. 'BeginDragThreadTree is not defined' 'we don't handle eBorderStyle_close yet...please fix me' and 'UpdateOfflineState' I really like the Mail composer; I wrote a long letter to my brother in Germany including colours and accents but when it reached the lower border the whole thing crashed and I lost it all. The bash terminal showed a 'Segmentation problem'. The RHS slider had indicated that I had space left, and anyway, I was not aware that there may be restrictions. My test messages arrived successfully but I cannot access new messages on the server. It is not clear to me where the 'get new messages' function is. When I use Search - Search Mail/News Messages I get a dialog box with its right side - containing the 'search' button - off-screen and unable to be moved. I may also have a configuration problem with my full name rather than my user name popping up in 'Mail/News Account Settings'. Apart from all of that, it is a great program. Jeff was right ... " pointing frantically at Mozilla" . Adam Bogacki -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer No, Open Source is just intellectual-property people have chosen to give away. MS can still sell its slop. If it was say... removing patents then it would be an "intellectual-property destroyer". (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business As opposed to NT server and application pricing? (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development MS only cares because they cant buy it. and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. And i dont call a 1 hour wait and then being told to reinstall windows "support" or any kind. www.linuxdocs.org is support ;) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
What M$ need to do is get Office, FrontPage, etc (all their crappy, but POPULAR applications) ported to Linux as commercial apps (not necessarily GPL'd) if they want to make money Oh God, I just realised what I said - a Linux version of Outlook... AARRRGG! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Moncrieff terminals
Hi all Firstly, I'm not a regular on this list, I'm just dropping in to ask this particular question. My apologies if this violates list etiquette. I'm trying to find information on Moncrieff-branded terminals. Here in WA, they're fairly common in university libraries, however, I've been completely unable to find *any* information on them. The most a websearch has turned up is that some were sold on this list about a year back. If the buyers are still around, would you be able to provide me with any information on them? Do they use standard escape sequences (VT codes, Wyse-compatible, or whatever..) or do they have their own? If so, are they documented anywhere? Thanks in advance Andrew Francis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
OT Windows/Ventura was Re: [SLUG] Anna Kournikova email worm - disinfection
Jon Biddell wrote: Where M$ fscked up is when they released Windows 3.0 - originally, Windows was a run-time environment for Ventura (I think - may have been PageMaker). Is that true? I had Windows 1.0 at home (still have the disks) and also had Desqview which was far superior. I thought Windows 1.0 was written by M$ and not a purchased aquisition. Lets not make this a long thread as its a bit OT. Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy said: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. It scares me that so-called reputable news sources publish opinions under the guise of fact so regularly. -- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using (o_ ' Windows NT for mission-critical applications." //\ -- What Yoda *meant* to say, Devin L. Ganger, scary.devil.monastery v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer No, Open Source is just intellectual-property people have chosen to give away. MS can still sell its slop. If it was say... removing patents then it would be an "intellectual-property destroyer". I think there are deeper issues here, and this type of attack is likely to grow more serious as linux gains in popularity. Most developing nations (including many of those who are now developed) ignore IP, as they can't afford it. Developed nations, on the other hand, try to force the developing to pay for IP. Look at the US-China relationship as a case study, where China's adherence to IP and other status preserving trade rules is the key requirement for close bilateral trade, not their human rights record. As free software becomes a paradigm that competes more and more closely with commercial software, it will be very attractive to those to whom paying for IP at inflated prices is a substantial burden. This does threaten those countries that rely on being the "owners" of IP as a substantial plank of economic dominance. A campaign to explain this to politicians in Washington, especially a campaign run by big campaign contributors, would not sound quite so crazy to them as it does to us. Especially if it is put to them in dollars, as in "the replacement of commercial software with free software worldwide would cost $insert big poorly justified number here to the American trade balance per year". That's exactly the type of argument used to persuade politicians to vote for the laws that enforce IP rules in the music industry. At this stage it's hard to see exactly how you could move to control free software. But at a time when via such excesses as the DCMA governments are moving to strengthen IP to an insane level, it would be foolish to think it can't ever happen. What suprises me is how long it's taken to happen. (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. It does sound a lot like cold war propaganda, but cold war propaganda is among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. cheers, Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. It does sound a lot like cold war propaganda, but cold war propaganda is among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. Americans are generally alot more patriotic that Australians. Which is a little od when you first come across it. Im not going to get into the whole 'australian' attitude thing. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Hmmm... yet another reason to use Linux. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
The same america that doesnt export strong encryption. Dean Raoul Golan wrote: Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Hmmm... yet another reason to use Linux. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Not so bad really. At least with Linux you could nobble the email BEFORE it reaches OE. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates http://lannetlinux.com "...well, it worked before _you_ touched it!" On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What M$ need to do is get Office, FrontPage, etc (all their crappy, but POPULAR applications) ported to Linux as commercial apps (not necessarily GPL'd) if they want to make money Oh God, I just realised what I said - a Linux version of Outlook... AARRRGG! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] About those RTL8139 network cards... :P
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, I wrote: All I get are timeout errors with both the D-link and another (cheaper) RTL8139 card. And with both 2.2.16 (or whatever Debian Potato r0 comes with) and 2.4.0. Has anyone had any luck with these cards? Oops :P This discussion got me to take another look at the card(s). I downloaded Donald Becker's tools, in Debian unstable/sid as nictools-nonpci and nictools-pci. It seemed it was a stupid IRQ problem. I guess PCI isn't totally idiot proof. See, ages ago I had disabled the printer port on this motherboard when I was satisfied with my printer working over USB. I had also set IRQ 7 as "PnP/PCI" in the BIOS PnP setup screen. It happened that both the RTL8139 cards were getting assigned IRQ 7 (and probably another network card now that I think about it...). So last night I enabled the printer port and set IRQ 7 back to "Legacy" in the BIOS. Bingo. The card worked OK then. So...um...I guess I have to take back any ill-will I attributed to RealTek and 8139-based network cards. Sorry, my bad :P I thought my newly-acquired network gear was broken until I brought the SparcStation LX home and it worked straight away - My trusty 2 year-old Tulip was the only other working card I had! Yeah, and now I have to figure out how to get the Tulip card to talk 100Mb to my 10/100 ethernet switch. The D-link card does it OK, although I couldn't force it to do 10Mb. My bad, bye -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] wvWare
Hi, Is there anybody using or familiar with wvWare or wvHtml who can decipher this for me? I get this when trying to run wvWare from the command line and it also fails from within AUC where I really want to be using it. I have redownloaded and recompiled the source files, still the same error. I was getting a compile error about gdwmf but a recompile of libwmf seems to have fixed that. I am running SuSe 7.0 root@vortex:/usr/local/bin ./wvWare /usr/local/wv/rtest.doc /usr/local/wv/r.html wvError: (./wvWare.c:826) Attempt to open wvHtml.xml failed, using /usr/local/share/wv/wvHtml.xml Critical Error Should not be Reached: FILE ./wvConfig.c: LINE 3287 Segmentation fault Thanks Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramatta http://www.olmc.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Did you know Open Source is the american way ? What is more feircly competitive than competeing open source projects. I would cite te animosity between KDE and GNOME developers as a prime example. Well at least perceived animosity. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Getting an internal PCI modem to run under Linux
Hello sluggers, I was given a Netcomm PCI modem the other day by a friend and was keen to try it out under Linux. Needless to say I haven't had much luck and it seems that from what I can read up about PCI modems at the modem HowTo found at: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Modem-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.5 that things don't look that rosy for me either. Has any one on this list had any experience in getting an internal PCI modem to work under the 2.3 or 2.4 kernels? Damn shame really.. I wish my friend had given me a Winmodem now :-) Regards, Carl -- Liquid Web Pty Ltd - corporate internet services ABN 35 091 994 080 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.liquidweb.com.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. What would you expect from a nation that gave us, nuclear weapons, mcdonalds and vanilla ice ;) Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason On the other hand, capitalism is about making money, and so is Microsoft. Communism is about sharing resources instead of hoarding private property, and so is open source. As you can see, there are two ways of looking at this issue, and neither of them is particularly enlightening. This linux is communism/linux is capitalism thing has been done to death elsewhere... and nothing can be inferred from the arguments except that people love a good flame war. -- :%s/[Ll]inux/GNU\/Linux/g -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ipmasqadm - port forwarding
Greetings all, I am having port forwarding trouble. I have checked through the archives and I think I am doing everything right. I have chopped my config back yo the basics but still no luck. This is what I am using Echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Ipchains -F Ipchains -P input accept Ipchains -P forward accept Ipchains -P output accept Ipchains -A forward -i eth1 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQ Ipmasqadm portfw -f Ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 200.1.1.1 80 -R 192.168.0.175 80 I then try to connect with netscape from 200.1.1.2 to 200.1.1.1 and it just sits there waiting. I have checked netstat -M and there is an established masquerade and if I check netstat -t -p on 200.1.1.2 it says SYN_SENT as the state. BTW 192.168.0.175 is a functioning apache server. What am I doing wrong ? Regards, * Chris Stokes Senior Systems Consultant Bass Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
In communism everything is owned by the state, then is given out as needed. Sounds like MS. They buy everything, then let you have it in restricted user license packages. The only difference is Russia made lots of cool stuff and achieved alot of cool things, auto-play is just annoying ;) Dean Jason Rennie wrote: Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
quote who="Jason Rennie" Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. *sigh* Autocracy, yes. Oligarchy, maybe. Communism, no. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. You aren't questioning whether the forgone conclusion that 'communism is a bad thing' is true. There are strongly communistic values in the Free Software and Open Source communities, and strongly Libertarian ones. Fascinatingly enough, there are enough greys to go around too. I'm very happy to say that Free Software appeals to me on a technical level, as well as a strong left wing political level. They're the only reasons why I came back to computers. :) Let's discuss this on slug-chat, eh? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "A rest with a fermata is the moral opposite of the fast food restaurant with express lane." - James Gleick, Faster -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
A little closer to home they are claiming that "Business Runs Better on M$". And are about to spend $$M. to preach that in the media. The preachings of Chairman ??? - perhaps they could publish them on a little red PDA. http://www.microsoft.com/australia/directaccess/agilityresources.asp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
