Re: [SLUG] sync filesystem on unconnected machines
Colin Humphreys wrote: I have a few systems that I need to configure a one way sync of filesystems. (i.e the filesystem is only modified on one side). The catch is that the systems are not networked together. I envisage generating somesort of md5sum database for both sides and comparing the output. This will allow me to grab the modified/new/deleted files and copy to the other system using burnt cd's. Does such a thing exist? It doesn't sound too hard to hack up, but if something is out there, why reinvent the wheel...:) You could use tar's 'only store files newer than DATE' option (-N) to do this. See the tar manpage for details. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hard drive choices
Brian Martin wrote: Is there any consensus on brands/models of hard drives to avoid ? or that are recommended ? e.g. known lemons or known dependable models, or are they all much the same in quality dependability ? Sorry if not strictly linux centred, but a search of the SLUG archives showed a lot of discussion threads about drive failures, power supply temperature related issues. I've had a few drives over the last couple of years, and all have found a way to disappoint me. In my recent experience it seems that a reliable (IDE) drive doesn't exist anymore. I have drives of capacity = 4Gb that are still going strong, but nothing above that has lasted longer than 2-3 years, and the lifetime of the larger disks (20Gb+) keeps getting smaller and smaller. The 60Gb Maxtor drive that I purchased to replace a Seagate 20Gb and a Quantum 20Gb, which both started showing signs of imminent failure at about the same time, is now showing the same signs, and it's barely a year old. Hard drive reviews have never been useful to me. They only ever focus on short term testing with the priority being the speed of the drive. I don't care what the peak transfer rate of the drive is if it barely makes it past the warranty period before faulting! So, what are the signs? I'm glad you asked. Hands up who has seen the infamous hda: interrupt lost kernel error message? You've just hard-reset your PC, because it seemed to be frozen, and the HDD light was stuck on. You check /var/log/messages to see what went wrong, and you find this cryptic message there. You search google, and see that while many people have seen this error, nobody seems to have any idea what it means or how to fix it. Firstly, your PC is not frozen, but your hard disk is! Giving it a firm rap on the side usually does the trick for me, causing the computer to spring back to life. Somehow the disk heads seem to get stuck... you can hear it when it happens; it has a very distinctive sound. A sound that asks, Why are today's hard disks so crap? Perhaps it's time to up the hard disk budget by 300% and buy SCSI... Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] via vt8235 ide support in 2.4.18
Mark Munro wrote:
Thanks Matthew
But unfortunately ended up with this:
patching file drivers/ide/via82cxxx.c
Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 68.
Hunk #3 FAILED at 126.
Hunk #4 FAILED at 377.
4 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file
drivers/ide/via82cxxx.c.rej
patching file include/linux/pci_ids.h
Hunk #1 FAILED at 981.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
include/linux/pci_ids.h.rej
fyi
My current kernel is 2.4.19
Any more information needed?
These errors mean that your versions of the files via82cxxx.c and
pci_ids.h are different enough to the ones the diff was created against,
that patch can't figure out where to make the changes.
The diff itself is not very complicated... you could probably just make
the changes manually. Make backups of the files before you start though.
Understanding diff files is easy, especially with diff files created in
'unified' mode, as this one is.
Lines starting with '-' are to be deleted. Lines starting with '+' are
to be added. Whenever a line is changed, it will be represented in the
diff by a deletion followed by an addition. This section is an example
of that:
- via_print(Driver Version: 3.34);
+ via_print(Driver Version: 3.35);
Moved lines are similar, but will not appear adjacent to each other:
- { vt8235, PCI_DEVICE_ID_VIA_8235, 0x00, 0x2f...
#endif
+ { vt8235, PCI_DEVICE_ID_VIA_8235, 0x00, 0x2f...
(I've trimmed these lines in the interest of keeping them 72 chars so
they don't wrap)
Lines with no '-' or '+' are existing lines that shouldn't be modified.
They are in the diff file to give context. It would be these lines that
cause your patch command to fail -- they must appear in the file exactly
as they are in the diff, otherwise patch will not recognise them. You
might be able to spot why patch failed when you make the changes
yourself (this information is also what patch puts into the .rej file)
There's only two other code changes to worry about, so I'll leave them
up to you. Most of the diff is comment changes.
The -bracketed parts indicate line numbers. Don't worry too much about
them, although they are useful in finding the correct line to change if
you are manually applying a diff. The diff section after each ...
line is the 'hunk' your error message refers to.
Matthew
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Re: [SLUG] via vt8235 ide support in 2.4.18
Matthew Dalton wrote: - via_print(Driver Version: 3.34); + via_print(Driver Version: 3.35); [cut] Lines with no '-' or '+' are existing lines that shouldn't be modified. They are in the diff file to give context. It would be these lines that cause your patch command to fail Er... no. Lines starting with '-' can also cause patch to fail. For example, if your version number is different to 3.34, the above section of the diff won't work. Matthew, re-reading his own post and disagreeing with it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] via vt8235 ide support in 2.4.18
Im trying to setup a linux kernel with via vt8235 support I can find reference to a patch and a text document claiming to BE a patch but I dont know how to install it The patch is from: http://lwn.net/Articles/8035/ But I am having no success using the patch command with it Anyone got any ideas?? Copy the text from the line: diff -Nru a/drivers/ide/via82cxxx.c b/drivers/ide/via82cxxx.c to just before the row of equals signs. Paste in a file, which I'll call 'vt8235.diff'. Change directory to your linux source tree: cd /usr/src/linux Run patch, using -p1 to remove the a/ from the paths in the vt8235.diff file. cat vt8235.diff | patch -p1 Compile away! Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Tux in a slouch hat
Howard Lowndes wrote: I'm looking for an image of Tux wearing a slouch hat. I've seen once somewhere but can't find it when I want it. Did you try the LWN Penguin Gallery? http://old.lwn.net/Gallery/ Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: large IDE disks (was Re: [SLUG] IDE Raid Controllers)
David Fitch wrote: speaking of this, someone told me older PCs have problems with IDE disks above somewhere around the 60-80Gb mark. Older being approx pentium2 vintage and earlier (not that old IMO!). And problems being that the BIOS doesn't even see the disk therefore it can't be used under any OS without a BIOS upgrade. Now I find this hard to believe myself, but not having an 80Gb disk to try it with can't say for sure. Anyone heard of such a thing? I had problems when I bought a 60G drive for my Celeron 300A machine - the bios wouldn't recognise it. All that was required in my case was to hunt down, download and apply a bios upgrade. The upgrade itself was 2 years old (!), but it worked like a charm. I've been happily using my 60G drive with no problems since. I have an Abit BH6 motherboard, if that helps. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] download speeds
Jon Biddell wrote: [...] and Telstra claim that their PSTN lines are rated at 2400 baud only !!!) 'baud' and 'bits per second' aren't the same thing. 'baud' means 'number of line state changes per second', but modems faster than 2400 baud use multiple states, each one representing different combinations of bits. For example , if we have 4 states: 00, 01, 10 and 11, at 2400 baud we will get 4800 bits/second. Telstra's lines are rated at 2400 baud, but that doesn't mean we can't get 33600 bps out of them :) Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Distributions
Jeff Waugh wrote: Install the first one, and leave space for the second. I'd recommend using the same /home partition if you can, like this: Red Hat - / (root) SuSE - / (root) /home (personal files for all users) That means that your personal configurations would be used across both distributions. You might have to watch what UID value gets allocated to the users in each distribution installation. There will be many permission problems if the same user in both doesn't end up with the same UID. Are distributions any more consistent these days with their UID ranges than they used to be? Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Directory removal
Scott wrote: A directory has been created of which we can't remove it. The reason being is we can't see it! I have found out how to list it in octal, which is: \033[C\033 But, how do I delete it? Try 'rm -ri *' in the directory above, and answer yes when it askes you if you want to delete it. disclaimer I'm not responsible if you accidently remove the wrong thing though. /disclamer Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: Creative data deletion (Re: [SLUG] Why did this happen?)
Colin Humphreys wrote: I remember having to write a little perl proggie to remove the -R file, as rm just wasn't going to have a bar of it. Well, not one bar anyway :). This would have worked: rm -- -R Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] USB Printers
Michael Lake wrote: Have a look at the printer-HOWTO, is it supported?; if no; exit 1; else; continue; search SLUG archives for users experiences with this model; Another excellent source of Linux/printer compatibility information is the linux printing site: http://www.linuxprinting.org $enjoy;# :) Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ask emacs(ediff)
henry wrote: I use ediff to compare files by M-x ediff. It's OK when these 2 files are under the same directory. But it' unconvenient to pick up 2 files under different directories. I list buffer by Ctrl-x Ctrl-b But I cant pick up 2 files from buffer for input-files of ediff . Is there a convenient way to do it ? Cause it's supposed that's why buffer exists for . Try using 'M-x ediff-buffers' on two already-opened files. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ask emacs(get the previous command )
henry wrote: Dear list : I enter shell in emacs by M-x shell . but I found that I cant get the previous command by press ^ (up-arrow) , or like doskey in DOS | Is there experienced emacs-user can share their experience ? Try M-p (or ESC p) for previous command and M-n (or ESC n) for next command. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] syntax-highlight under text-mode(Emacs)
henry wrote: I started emacs, Syntax-highlight is workable well under X-windows ,but is not under text mode , (for both cases , I enabled Help-Option-Global-font-lock-mode ) . If by 'emacs' you mean GNU (FSF) Emacs, versions = 20 don't support syntax highlighting in the console. Version 21 does, however. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ask emacs
henry wrote: 1. I use ct-x ct-f to find file-A ,then ct-x i to insert file-B then c-x 2 to list 2 files simultaneously in separate windows horizontally ,but I get file-A,file-A,how do I get file-A,file-B? Use command 'C-x b' - switch-to-buffer. 2. How do I switch to c-mode or text-mode ? (c-mode is used by c-programmer ,Commands under text-mode is almost the same as fundmental mode) Modes automatically load when a file is recognised (by it's filename extension?). Try opening a C file and watch Emacs go into c-mode. Otherwise, modes can be individually started by typing 'M-x mode-name' Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Finding broken links
Jeff Waugh wrote: Hey all, So, this will be a quick one. :-) Is there a relatively standard utility for finding broken links? Or is 'standard' going to be a combination of find and a shell script? I don't know of a specialised utility, but the 'file' program can identify broken symlinks: $ ln -s ~/whatever . $ file whatever whatever: broken symbolic link to /home/matthewd/whatever You could use this in combination with find and grep to do what you want. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] copying a .deb to multiple floppies
Richard Hayes wrote: Is there an easy way to copy a .deb on to multiple floppies? To split: $ split -b 1400k file.deb (or 'cat file.deb | split ... ') $ mcopy xaa a: (change floppy) $ mcopy xab a: ... To rebuild: (copy files from floppies) $ cat xaa xab xac ... file.deb Take a look at 'man split' for more details. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Who are they?
Antony Clarke wrote: I'm trying to find the website of the organisation who run monthly seminars on linux type subjects and provide audio archives of them on their site. I use too see them advertise the seminars here. I think they use to hold them somewhere on Broadway. A search of the archives was no help. Are you thinking of 2600? http://www.2600.org.au/ Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ask gcc (compling,linking)
henry wrote: Dear List: I have 2 sub-libraries(image.c ,gif.c ) used by a libraries generic.c How could I link them as a static library libgeneric.a , Could someone shed some light? gcc -c image.c -o image.o ar rcs libimage.a image.o gcc -c gif.c -o gif.o ar rcs libgif.a gif.o gcc -c generic.c -o generic.o -L. -limage -lgif - it seems that I do wrong on this line ar rcs libgeneric.a generic.o I'm not really sure what you're trying to do. If your trying to build a file called libgeneric.a that contains the object files from image.c, gif.c and generic.c, you just need to do this: gcc -c image.c -o image.o gcc -c gif.c -o gif.o gcc -c generic.c -o generic.o ar rcs libgeneric.a image.o gif.o generic.o You only use -L/-l when you're linking an executable. Creating a static library (.a file) is not the same as linking -- all building a static library does is archive your object files together. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are these specs OK for RH7.2
Alex Samad wrote: Did you have to pay for the bios upgrade ? Nope. Just downloaded it, that's all. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
Luke McKee wrote: These 3rd party device vendors should just rack off. It should be free or not at all. It isn't right to have Linux hardware taxes to replace the Microsoft OEM tax when it eventually goes. Why do some vendors still need to guard the API to their hardware? Let me know what you all think. I agree with you in principle that you shouldn't have to pay extra to make something you've already bought work. However, I also think that we should take it upon ourselves to do a little research before buying hardware and make sure that the hardware will work without having to fork out extra for commercial drivers. From what you've written at [1] and [2] below, it doesn't sound like you had done any research at all before purchased your hardware. [1] I bought my OSS license in 97 and told it would last forever (from the sales hype at the time). In 2000 they solicited more money just because I bought a newer crystal card than what I previously had. [2] A few months ago I bought a Lexmark Z12 only to find out Mandrake has the drivers but I have to give them $150 for the boxed commercial version of their Linux distribution to get cups drivers. The first one might be forgiveable, given that you thought you already owned the commercial driver, but the second one is different. Visiting http://www.linuxprinting.org shows that it has the Z12 listed as 'paperweight' (see http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark for the entire list of Lexmark printers and http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=486066 for the Z12 entry). One has to wonder why you would buy a printer with such a recommendation. Sorry if I sound harsh. I'm just telling it like I see it. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are these specs OK for RH7.2
Jon Biddell wrote: The reason I ask is I fell into the trap of installing a pair of 40Gb Seagates ($168 odd each at the moment !!) and my bios would only recognise them as 32Gb An Ultra TX/2 ATA100 controller fixed that, although they are now hde and hdf...:-( Did you try updating your bios? I bought a 60Gb IDE disk drive a few weeks ago. It wasn't recognised by my bios and I was on the verge of buying an ATA100 controller card when I decided to try upgrading my bios first. This worked for me, and so I didn't have to spend anything extra. The drive perhaps isn't as fast as it potentially could be, given that it's running on a 33Mhz bus instead of 100Mhz, but I'm not complaining. FWIW, I'm using a Celeron 300Mhz CPU on an Abit BH6 motherboard - a system that is over 3 years old now. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware and driver licensing?
Luke McKee wrote: From what you've written at [1] and [2] below, it doesn't sound like you had done any research at all before purchased your hardware. LMC: True. But sooner or later Linux should stop being a DAYOR (Do at your own risk) operating system. Many people - especially the newest members of the list may not have had much choice in choosing what components went inside their system. It may not be a good experience for a new Linux user to realize they have to start paying out money to get everything working. Linux is still not a mainstream operating system. Many companies still make hardware suitable only for Windows. There's no point being in denial about it - you're just making life hard for yourself, and easier for those companies, who see that it doesn't matter that they don't cater for us Linux users because we buy the hardware anyway. One has to wonder why you would buy a printer with such a recommendation. LMC: Yes you were right = Impulse buy, but for $60 bucks could it be forgiven? Depends on how much you would've had to pay for a printer that was supported by a free linux driver. You'd have to account for the $150 extra that you paid for the commercial Mandrake release. And what if you wanted to use something other than Mandrake? Like Debian, for example? I don't think Linux will ever have plug and play ready decent drivers in the kernel for all hardware. I have to patch iptables, SMC (net), ftape-4x, quicknet, isdn-dov capi, cups, sane (hp4200) + scarse just to all my hardware working. There are always going to be extra drivers but as we agree they should be free if available for Linux. Sounds like you've been doing quite a bit of impulse buying, by the sound of it. If you're happy doing the extra work to get it all going and paying a few extra $$ occasionally, fine. Me? I like the easy life. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Leading newbies astray... (was Re: [SLUG] Why)
-- First this:
Daniel Stone wrote:
But seriously, I suggest:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1k | nc host here 65535
This is a zero-byte overflow attack - hosts on port 65535 are vulnerable
because that's near an overflow region!
-- Then this:
John Clarke wrote:
Not nearly secure enough:
for i in `awk -F: '$3 = 100 {print $1}' /etc/passwd`; do
userdel -r $i
done
Who needs users anyway?
What is it, April Fool-a-Newbie Day or something?
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Re: [SLUG] Talks I would like to see
Ken Foskey wrote: On a more serious note... Can someone do a tutorial on GIMP. I remember we have had a talk on how wonderful it is but I cannot get my head around the menus, I want to see if I want to play before I put a lot of time in. It's not a talk, but the online version of Grokking the GIMP is available here: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Chickens
Veronica Brandt wrote: This LinuxChix group sounds like something that might have been good for me while I was at Uni, but now my situation has changed. Night outs are more complicated with a 6 month old baby. Is there any interest in day time meetings? If you can get out that way, the Western Sydney LUG has been holding meetings during the day on a weekend. Check out the web site for details - http://www.wslug.org.au/ Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] memory above 64mb.
Ben Donohue wrote: Blessed thing still chugging away 4 years or so since it was first built by someone long gone. [cut] They are thinking of putting in either Exchange/Notes/Groupwise as their email solution. Why not Linux! [cut] There is still the impression that where do you get support from Linux if no one owns it? type of thing. As I point out there are heaps of Linux savvy people and companies around that can support it. They have only heard about Exchange and Notes. Linux needs to get some credibility with the committees and bean counters before it has a serious look in. How do you do that? You'd think after 4 years of loyal service, the support issue would be moot, especially since the original Linux box was built by 'someone long gone'. Who was supporting it all that time? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.0 on Sid?
Richard Hayes wrote: When do you think the KDE packages will be available for Sid? Personally? I don't know. A good place to look though, would be on the debian-kde list, which is where I found these: - Debs of an old build of KDE 3.0 from CVS, last October http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2001/debian-kde-200110/msg00254.html - Signs of life from the KDE package developer, 10 days ago (can't find the first half of this thread unfortunately) http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200204/msg2.html Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] cvs question
$B%%s%H%K!(B $B%9%F%$%9(B wrote: Someone else has added a new directory and file(in the new directory). When I used cvs update in my copy of the code I do not get the new directory and file You need to run 'cvs update -d' to get new directories. and cvs diff in my copy of the code dosen't say that anything is missing(I was expecting it to say that my copy dosen't include the the directory and file that the other person checked in). 'cvs diff' doesn't do what you think it does. It only shows the changes that you have made to your checkout, not the changes that have been made to the repository since you last did an update. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Help with fdisk please
Andy Eager wrote: Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 789 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 204 1638598+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 205 217104422+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 218 789 45945905 Extended /dev/hda5 * 218 224 56196 83 Linux Space here between 225 and 352 128 blocks, or approximately 1004 megabytes. /dev/hda6 353 480 1028128+ 83 Linux /dev/hda7 481 633 1228941 83 Linux Space here as well between 634 and 789 166 blocks, or approximately 1302 megabytes. There's a problem here... Both of these spaces are in the extended partition, which already contains 3 logical partitions. At most you can only have 4 logical partitions in an extended partition, so will only be able to make one partition from them. That means you've got precious disk space that's going to be wasted -- at least 1004 megabytes of it. If you can manage it, you'd be better off making a backup, repartitioning and reinstalling. And this time, put your partitions end-to-end so any left over space is contiguous instead of fragmented like it is currently. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Help with fdisk please
John Clarke wrote: You can have more than four: Well that's news to me. Thanks, Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Help with fdisk please
Terry Collins wrote: Matthew Dalton wrote: John Clarke wrote: You can have more than four: I suspect that your are thinking about Primary partitions. Actually, I'd thought for a while that the limitation for both was the same... can't remember where I picked that up from :/ Anyway, it at least prompted me to find out the real limitations... Depending on which web page you read, the limits are something like 23 for DOS/Windows (it's an alphabet thing, ie 26 - 3), 63 for IDE drives under Linux and 15 for SCSI drives under Linux. Well now I've just stumbled on a RedHat support page that says the limit is 16. Does anyone know what the *real* limits are? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ask 2 questions
Nick Croft wrote: When you've finished, type `su henry' and you'll be yourself again. That's not the best thing to do, as it leaves you still logged in as root. All one has to do is type 'exit' and you're back at a root shell prompt. You're much better off typing 'exit' to leave the root shell and become yourself again. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Using unstable packages with Potato
Richard Hayes wrote: I want to run unstable packages with Potato. I need to upgrade a number of important files including libc6 libdb3 How to I query which programmes may break? Do I just use the --install option? If all you want to do is install libdb3 (which exists in testing and unstable, but not in stable), your best bet is to 'apt-get source' the libdb3 source package from testing or unstable, and build it against potato's libraries. That way you won't have to upgrade libc. You'll need a deb-src line in your sources.list. Also, read the apt-get man page for the 'source' command and the '--build' switch. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Redhat Linux 7.1
Bad news, most Linux installers will not work under 4M of RAM. Things may have changed with new kernels, but at one point 2-4M was minimum memory required to boot Linux at all!! I doubt very much that Michael here has a 100MHz Pentium with only 1Mb of RAM. Machines have come with more than that for longer than I've been using Intel based PCs (which isn't very long in the scheme of things). I'd be surprised if Michael's Pentium didn't have at least 16Mb of RAM (8MB absolute minimum), and that the '1MB DRAM' he mentions here is actually his video card's memory, which would be more consistent with the time frame in which this machine was the norm. ... Quick google search ... Here's a review for that model: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/pc/1514/html/pcmg0081.htm ...and this page (http://www.satech.com/aclig3563583.html) says it's got 8Mb memory, which is about right I guess. Michael Jordan said: To those familiar with Redhat Linux 7.1, I was intending to install this version on my laptop- it's an old piece of hardware, an Acer Note Light. It houses a Pentium 1 at 100MHz, 1 MB DRAM and a 774 MB hard disk. Now is it a feasible idea for me to install Redhat Linux 7.1 on this laptop? Are there any alternatives, any suggestions? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] any tool to dump memory
henry wrote:
Dears:
1. Any tool to dump memory under linux ?
gdb?
2. Why cant I link lib for readl() ?
#include asm/io.h
int main()
{
return readl(0x4001) ;
}
readl() is a macro defined in asm/io.h
Your program can't find it because it's defined within a #ifdef
__KERNEL__ / #endif construct, and your code isn't part of the kernel.
Matthew
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Re: [SLUG] Several questions after an apt-get dist-upgrade
Mike Lake wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:13:26PM +1100, getadog wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:06:24PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: dpkg --purge --force-depends zmailer-ssl apt-get install postfix (or exim, or whatever). apt-get install zmailer-ssl- postfix (or exim, or whatever) But as I mentioned the system already has exim as its MTA. zmailer provides the same thing, an MTA. I would have thought that when I installed logrotate it would need a mailer (OK) and it wanted mailx and that needed an MTA. The packaging system should have realised it had exim on and so not insisted on installing zmailer. What I can't follow is that on this Debian system here at work (Pentium) and on my Intel 486 at home zmailer is not required but on the Alpha Debian, as you can see from the apt-get lines mailx depends on zmailer. Same Debian release. Just having a look at the current mailx debs... Stable has version 1:8.1.1-11 Depends: libc6 (= 2.1.2), liblockfile1 (= 1.0), smail | mail-transport-agent Unstable Testing have version 1:8.1.2-0.20010922cvs-1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.3-7), liblockfile1 (= 1.0), mail-transport-agent, base-files (= 2.2.0) These dependencies look reasonable to me. If you don't have one of these two versions, maybe you could try upgrading mailx before attempting to remove zmailer? Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Advice on coding in VI ?
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: You can save yourself some effort (this works with vim, I don't know if it's 100% vi) by marking a position with 'a (set mark 'a') in command mode, then go to the end and just d'a (delete to mark 'a'). In vim, you can go into 'visual' mode by pressing 'v' while in command mode. Moving the cursor around while in visual mode causes text to be highlighted. You can then delete the highlighted text by pressing 'x' or copy it by pressing 'y'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Ixla Camera
Nick Croft wrote: The Ixla 640 isn't listed in gPhoto's camera index. Has anyone had any success getting this model to work? (I've googled a bit. Now I'm slugging) The best place to ask would be on either the gphoto or gphoto-devel mailing list. You should be able to find out how to subscribe to it on http://www.gphoto.org somewhere. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SCSi card disappeared after upgrade to 2.4
Tony Green wrote: * This one time, at band camp, Doug Stalker said: I cant use make menuconfig, because it complains curses is not installed (but it is!) [cut] Or you could install ncurses. The problem is more likely that he doesn't have ncurses-dev installed. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Shell scripting challenge (not)
Andrew Foster wrote: So, I have a list of random filenames in a text file: thing.mp3 pants.txt yer.rtf others.html These files do exist on my system, except they're scattered throughout a directory tree hierachy, and there's no path info in my text file to say where. I need to find the given files in the tree, then do stuff with them. For instance, delete them. #!/bin/sh for file in thing.mp3 pants.txt yer.rtf others.html; do find . -name $file | xargs rm -f done -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Filenames with spaces - and using a shell script.
Matt Hyne wrote: Unfortunately this then treats the entire 'ls' as a single element and prints that when I print FILE. ie the whole of the ls output is printed between the xxx quotes. Well yeah, because the for statement is only seeing one argument - `ls -l`. Remove the quotes around this for it to work. Matt At Friday, 26/10/2001 03:24 PM (+1000), George Vieira wrote: try this for FILE in `ls -1`; do echo $FILE; done -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can't enter a directory after unzipping it
Simon Wong wrote:
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 23:55, Jeff Waugh wrote:
find -type d -exec chmod a+x {} ;
Cool but you need to escape the ;
Not sure why that is?
The semicolon marks the end of the chmod command. You have to escape it
so bash doesn't interpret it as the end of the find command.
Works a treat...the more I learn about Lin/Unix the more I like it :-)
That's why it's cool!
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Re: [SLUG] How to get the user name of the invoker of a sh script and use mail within the script.
Michael Lake wrote: So what I want is a unix command to tell me the current user of that script ie who invoked it. An apropos uid showed there were functions like getuid but they arent suitable for calling up in a sh script. Does 'whoami' do the job? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!
Peter Rundle wrote: ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that On Rh7.1 $ ldd `which xsnow` /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory This output is strange. Usually ldd will report all of the libraries required, with a (not found) appended if a library is missing. What happens if you try 'strace xsnow'? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG - Wrap-up
Craige McWhirter wrote: Thanks Steven and Gus. Will Angus and/or Steven be making notes on their talks available somewhere? I wouldn't mind taking a look... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Recording Sound in Linux
Peter McCarthy wrote: I was wondering if anyone has heard of any sound recording tools available for Linux that will enable you to save them in the M$ wav format There are quite a few. This is a good place to start: http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/ Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Calling all Regex champions
Steven downing wrote: Having moved all my mp3s, I need to update my XMMS playlists, BUT there are a couple which have been updated already. So, I want to match /usr/local/mp3/whatever BUT NOT /usr/local/mp3/mp3/whatever Yes, I've moved them all from /usr/local/mp3 to /usr/local/mp3/mp3 so I need to add that extra directory into the path in all the playlist files. cat playlist.old | sed -e 's#local/mp3/mp3#local/mp3#' -e 's#local/mp3#local/mp3/mp3#' playlist.new -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Pastimes
Andre Pang wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 02:20:24 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: XFS is certainly new to Linux, but it's a very stable filesystem that has been in use for yonkles. A lot of the mess has already been sorted out... i know XFS has been in use for a long time, and it's brilliant for what it does. i'm just saying that it probably hasn't had much exposure on _Linux_ yet on massive platforms, so statically speaking, it'll probably have its fair share of bugs. this isn't a good example to use, but NTFS has been around for ages too, but you're utterly crazy if you want to use it for storing important data, at least on Linux :). They're apples and oranges. XFS on linux is from the original XFS sources (as ported from Irix by SGI). Linux NTFS however, is a new implementation (ie. it's not ported code from Windows NT!) There may be bugs in XFS that have resulted from the port, but it would contain far less sematic bugs than reiserfs. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Installing without CD drive.
Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 03:09:36PM +1000, Matthew Dalton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Plip (and probably slip) is easier to setup than ppp for a direct link. Plip was my preference because data transfer over a parallel cable is much faster than over a serial cable. I am *not sure* but would it be /possible/ to make a network connection (aka laplink) over the parallel port and then mount the CDROM drive from the other machine? The way I did it was to setup an anonymous ftp server on the machine with the cdrom drive and mount the cd somewhere under ~ftp. Then I just had to put a few lines in the /etc/apt/sources.list on the laptop and off she went. Of course it helps if you have a few cdrom drives or a bit of free disk space, as debian comes on 3 binary cd's ATM. I setup the base system beforehand using 2 floppies, which I alternated as I installed each of the base system disks - one installing while the other was having the next disk image copied to it. Yes, it's a bit of disk swapping, but you only have to do the install once. I just did a search of linux lablink install on google and returned a load of messages, so there should be someone whos done it. A laplink cable is what I used, along with the plip driver. I suppose you could try mounting the cdrom over nfs or something, but quite frankly ftp was easier to setup. You could also use http if you wanted to. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Installing without CD drive.
Peter Hardy wrote: Basically, we've come across a 486 laptop that we'd like to get linux onto, and use as a terminal. The machine has no CD-ROM, and won't have any ethernet until I can afford a PCMCIA network card. The current plan is to either hack up a debian install disk with PPP, or use a rescue disk like tomsrtbt to put the base packages on to the hard drive. Any suggestions? Been there, done that. I did a debian base install using floppies and the rest over a parallel port cable (using plip). Plip (and probably slip) is easier to setup than ppp for a direct link. Plip was my preference because data transfer over a parallel cable is much faster than over a serial cable. You should be able to use either with a debian base install though - no need to hack up a debian install disk. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] One floppy Linux Presentation System
Jeffrey Borg wrote: And, a thought occurs. Won't Terry have to compile and install ecore, evas, eke(magic|point) every time, since it's a CD? You could always rebuild the cd with what you want on it, The BBC cd's are an excellent starting point for doing that. Yeah... the BBC is based on Debian, and we all know how Terry loves Debian :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linx in the Top 50 Uptimes (once)
Michael Lake wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 07:27:34PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: Looks like BSD wins in the reliability stakes ... http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html Oh, and that *other* O/S didn't even show. We must be fair here. If you read the FAQ there it mentions that some OSs do not provide uptime information such as NT3 4 and win95/98. Even some Unixes don't provide this info. Therefore the 98/NT boxes will not show in the uptimes even if all of them were up for the last two years. OK we all know that thats not true but we have to be fair :-) Also, stating the obvious: To have a 4 year uptime, you must have a 4 year old kernel installed. How many linux kernels have had development time enough to give them the stability to last 4 years, and another 4 years of time to actually get there? Linux 2.2 is only a little over 2 years old. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Using Snort - oink oink :-)
Jeff Waugh wrote: Question 2: does any one have a simple rules file suitable for a home network where I am connected via ppp0. Knowing that you've got Debian on at least one of your machines, I'd recommend installing the package and pillaging the configuration files. I do the same for most of the non-Debian machines I administer; gets you started very quickly. :) And if you didn't have Debian on at least one of your machines, you could still download the package and pillage the config files, as debian packages are dead easy to unpack on any linux distro - [matthewd] try/cflow $ ls ./ ../ cflow_2.0-12.1.deb [matthewd] try/cflow $ ar x cflow_2.0-12.1.deb [matthewd] try/cflow $ ls ./ cflow_2.0-12.1.deb data.tar.gz ../ control.tar.gz debian-binary [matthewd] try/cflow $ tar xvzf data.tar.gz ./ usr/ usr/bin/ usr/bin/cflow usr/bin/prcc usr/bin/prcg usr/lib/ usr/lib/cflow/ usr/lib/cflow/prcc usr/lib/cflow/prcg usr/doc/ usr/doc/cflow/ usr/doc/cflow/copyright usr/doc/cflow/examples/ usr/doc/cflow/examples/prcc.cflow usr/doc/cflow/examples/prcc.i.cflow usr/doc/cflow/changelog.Debian.gz usr/man/ usr/man/man1/ usr/man/man1/prcc.1.gz usr/man/man1/prcg.1.gz usr/man/man1/cflow.1.gz [matthewd] try/cflow $ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 5.2 (Apollo) easy ;) Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Using Snort - oink oink :-)
Michael Lake wrote: apt-cache show cflow [snip] whats the connection with a set of rules for snort ? Nothing. I was merely demonstrating the extraction of a debian package on a non debian system. cflow happened to be the package I had on hand at the time. un- now confused :-) ^ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] For great victory!
Jeff Waugh wrote: * Error reporting like an autistic mute sucking a ChupaChup. You're just trying to get yourself quoted in someone's signature again... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Simple Graphics with C
Andrew Reilly wrote: I dug out the source for this the other day, and have translated the guts (the bits that determine which pixels should be on, and in what colour) into C, but can't figure out how to produce the output. Even though it wasn't one of Crossfire's recommendations, check out ggi: http://www.ggi-project.org I had a play with it not too long ago, and it wasn't very difficult to get some output. There are some simple demo programs available from the ggi site which you could read or use code from. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Problem with Bigpond ADSL
Adam Armstrong wrote: When I go into Netscape or Lynx, type in a web site, it just sits there and hangs. If I connect the box to another ISP via modem, it browses OK. Do you have proxy settings left over from your ISP/modem connection in your Netscape/Lynx settings? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can't resolve outside sites after new Deb installation.
DaZZa wrote:
But in my init.d directory the file is called "networks" and it does
nothing like the above. It sets up anti spoofing, ip_chains, ipfw etc
and the route command or even ifconfig is not in this directory.
I suspect that the page on debian.org is somewhat out of date. The
"networks" file is more deadrat like, from memory. Perhaps they've
modified the init script processing and not updated the web page - I
dunno, I haven't managed to install debian yet {soon, if I can get the ISO
creation to work properly}.
The /etc/init.d/network file is from Slink (Debian 2.1). Potato doesn't
have this file anymore.
I'd tell you what Potato uses instead, but I don't have a Debian box
handy. Anyone?
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Re: [SLUG] file system full - debugfs
Jean-Yves Provost wrote: any suggestion to remove the entire content of that directory? try 'find . -name "*.1" | xargs rm' -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Upgrade RPM-3xxxx to RPM-4xxxxx
Bernhard Lder wrote: I am getting an error when I try to update rpm one my RH6.2 machine: only packages with major numbers = 3 are supported by this version of RPM What can I do to get RPM4 onto that machine. Do I force it? Will that work? http://www.slug.org.au/lists/archives/slug/2000/December/msg00156.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] chroot
Scott Howard wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 04:07:51PM +1000, Matthew Dalton wrote:
I didn't, actually. I was forwarding a message I received via the
debian-user mailing list. That information was in my original post.
Because root can break out of a chroot().
Yes, but _only_ root can break out of it, which is why it still has
it's uses.
The question I was answering was "How can root break out of a chroot?".
mkdir( MY_JAIL_PATH "/escape" );/* did I mention I love ANSI C's
string concatenation? */
chroot( MY_JAIL_PATH "/escape" );
I'd say you like C's string concatenations just a little too much...
This should read :
mkdir( "/escape" );
chroot( "/escape" );
I don't personally have an opinion about C's string concatenation. You
may be correct about the code though.
/* let's go up a bit */
chdir ("../../../../../../../../../.." ); /* should be plenty, if not
we can just repeat it... */
chroot ( "." );
chroot("../../../../../../"); will have the same result (well, it will
give you a different pwd, but thats all)
I'm sure that TMTOWTDI.
Matthew
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Re: [SLUG] PRESS RELEASE: Perl and Python to begin joint development
James Morris wrote: Looks like the Perl vs. Python issue that has plagued mankind for centuries will soon be resolved :-) Don't you just *love* April Fools day? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] chroot
Martin wrote: chdir( MY_JAIL_PATH ); so if i didn't put a chroot in /whatever/you/want or it's subdirectories, you can't chroot again... until, of course you download your own chroot binary and run that instead! That's a nice try, but the example is a C program that is calling the chroot() system call, not the binary in /usr/sbin. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] chroot
Martin wrote: That's a nice try, but the example is a C program that is calling the chroot() system call, not the binary in /usr/sbin. rainbws! ;) ... and here I was expecting you to say "but how do you compile a C program in a chrooted environment", and I was going to say "well okay, you do have a point, so the end result would be the same chicken/egg problem with one needing a binary to get out of the chroot", which either Terry, Crossfire or Angus would rebuke further... etc, etc. so, how do you protect a machine at all then? are we just fooling ourselves that a chroot()ed bind is any safer ?? I'd imagine that a chrooted bind that isn't running as root would be safer. i gather the best security we get is something that chroot()s, drops it's privelages and then doesn't give up a root shell when exploited... Allowing someone to get root access is bad. Don't let it happen. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] xfree86
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any thoughts on what process I should take on getting it all working :) This is just the tip of the iceberg, as I will then work on getting the onboard sound going, but for now, 1 problem at a time. Look here: http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ There's a source for potato debs of XFree86 v4 in there somewhere... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Digital camera's for linux
Michael Covi wrote: Looks like a wonderfull camera. A bit out of my price range. I should have said i was after one of the ones that you just plug straight into the pc for only a $100-$300 In other words, you want a web camera, right? There's a supported device list at http://www.linux-usb.org. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dependency 'problems'.
David Kempe wrote: On Thursday 15 March 2001 23:01, Adam Bogacki wrote: By this stage I had the feeling I was getting the runaround .. You are getting the run around :-( At this point I would probably just download the statically compiled version and be done with it: http://download.sourceforge.net/abiword/abisuite-0.7.13-Linux_i386_static.tar.gz Installation instructions at: http://www.abisource.com/dl_linux_intel.phtml Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dependency 'problems'.
Adam Bogacki wrote: I'll have to try to work out how www.abisource.com achieved that first screen-shot theme. It looks like a combination of red frame with the sandy-desert theme under KDE. If you're referring to the first screenshot on this page - http://www.abisource.com/dev_dumps.phtml ... that kinda looks like the Windows version :/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Debian is the One True Way(tm) (was Re: [SLUG] Debian Vs SuSE ?)
DaZZa wrote:
{shrugs} As always when it comes down to distribution wars, YMMV. There is
no One True Way {despite the debianites telling us otherwise!}
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-02/lw-02-penguin_4.html
"Make Debian the base standard
apt-get beats RPM
Summary
Nick Petreley gets specific: apt-get, Debian's way of updating and
upgrading, is the right way to resolve the dependency problems that
plague the various distros and ultimately hobble Linux's ability to take
over the computing world. (1,700 words)"
(sorry, couldn't help myself! -- Matthew)
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Re: [SLUG] Open Government- No linux interface for BAS lodgement.
Paul Cameron wrote: I am honestly sick of the linux lamers at work, they want to use their own crazt abiword or man crap. It cant generate proper .doc files, so where is the point? I tried to make for them for application documentate software, but i can't appease those freakes. A portion of the headers from Paul's message (with comments ;) Received: from co3025033-a.randw1.nsw.optushome.com.au ([203.164.170.105] helo=laptop) by slug.progsoc.uts.edu.au with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14adpo-0005de-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:18:32 +1100 -- SLUG's mail server runs Debian... Received: from pmc by laptop with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14adoE-00042v-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:16:54 +1100 --- and so does Paul's one! Exim 3.22 is the version currently in Debian unstable. This guy must be one hardcore anti-linux crusader ;) From: Paul Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open Government- No linux interface for BAS lodgement. Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- He didn't even send in html! How thoughtful! Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i --- He even uses Mutt! Not as new as the Debian unstable version, but more recent than the one in Potato. In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 05:44:37PM +1100 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm speechless! I am without speech! Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Open Government- No linux interface for BAS lodgement.
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Matthew Dalton" In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 05:44:37PM +1100 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm speechless! I am without speech! What, you think Paul == Rick? No, dude! I was speechless about the whole thing. I know what the 'In-Reply-To' line means. Rick uses Netscape anyway. Softie. ;) Well, I'm using WinNT ATM, so of course I'm using Netscape as well. It's the sanest choice in an insane world. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] What does Debian (Storm Linux) use for an XConfigurator/XF86Setup?
Terry Collins wrote:
$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=(
$m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16
-2?0:$m17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]48){$h
=5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$/;$
d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t($d12^$d4^
$d^$d/8))17,$e=$e8^($t($g=($q=$e147^$e)^$q*8^$q6))9,$_=$t[$_]^
(($h=8)+=$f+(~$g$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval
Ahem... yes.
Errr... where were we? Oh yes that's right - configuring X under Debian.
Debian Potato has 'anXious' which seems to be like a debconf-enhanced
xf86config or something. It's in the xviddetect package.
HTH
Matthew
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Re: [SLUG] Ripping files out of an RPM
Steven downing wrote: The Eterm RPM that comes with Mandrake has a bunch of nice tiles and backgrounds, which my Debian system sadly lacks... so is it possible to rip individual or selected files out of an RPM and then manually shuffle them to the correct directory?? If so, how would one go about it? Try using alien to convert the rpm to a tar.gz and then untar it somewhere to get at the backgrounds. This wont work if the rpm is a v4 one though because the rpm package version in Debian doesn't support them. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linuxexpo
Alexander Else wrote: i registered a while ago for linuxexpo and got an email about it today. it had a single line saying it was from info salons, and a word attachment with about 6 lines of text with no magical formatting or anything. I got one this morning as well, but I haven't bothered registering for this year's expo - looks like they've got last year's email database. should i be scared? Yes, you should be. One 34k word document for 6 lines of unformatted text! Can anyone say 'bandwidth'? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Securing run level 1?
Shaun Cloherty wrote: Storing a password in clear text in /etc/lilo.conf seems like the worst possible solution. Even if I 'chmod 0600 /etc/lilo.conf' I have complete faith in the ability of a determined undergraduate student, with copious amounts of spare time, to find a way to subvert the file permissions. Hence gaining the 'boot time' password, booting in single user mode and wreaking havoc on the world at large. You would need to be root to change the permissions on /etc/lilo.conf, and if you've got root then there's no need to alter lilo.conf at all. You can wreak all the havoc you want. You can also enter single user mode just by typing 'init 1'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Proof! Proof!
Jeff Waugh wrote: http://www.xach.com/debian-users-are-beatniks.html That's uncanny... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apt cache file corrupt...
Steven downing wrote: 'Apt-get update' updates the list of available packages yeah? And I was thinking that the packages cache file (/var/cache/apt/packages.bin??), was an index of files which had been downloaded from a network source (and possibly not yet installed on the system) Read this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newbiedoc/files/apt-get-intro.html Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix/Linux intro
David Kempe wrote: I dunno what you have already, but I would suggest things like "the unix way" of doing things, the different file systems and the ideas behind it. If they are windows users you can relate it to their existing knowledge. Compare the registry and the config file idea. This might be a good idea. Also compare things like macro kernel and micro kernel ideas perhaps. Tho some more knowledgeable people will tell me its an outdated idea, i still think it helps explain simply some of the differences. Not so sure about this. Keep the talk from the perspective of the user, not the kernel hacker. The user doesn't really care about macro vs micro kernels. If you haven't already, read ESR's ongoing book 'The Art of Unix Programming', in particular the chapter about the Unix Philosophy: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/taoup/chapter1.html There's good stuff in there that you can use to explain 'the unix way'. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ResierFS dependancies?
Dionysus wrote: however, when running Xconfig, by the time I got to 'filesystem support', ResierFS (which my machine uses) was greyed out Did you try turning on the experimental features? Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ResierFS dependancies?
Alexander Else wrote: reiserfs isn't available in the 2.4 kernel. i had the same problem when i tried to move to 2.4 (only i didn't notice til the machine wouldn't boot with the new kernel :) Reiserfs isn't in 2.4.0, but is in 2.4.1. I'm using it. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Personal sacrifice and free software
James Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Ian Tester said: Erm, frei? freisoftware? Don't know too much German... 'Zimmer frei' literally translates as 'free room' -- I think some hackers will take offence at their software being labelled as 'empty' :) And free as in 'no cost' is usually 'kostenlos' in German. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Disk Full
Simon Bryan wrote: I have deleted a number of old gz, tar and rpm files today but still I have no space available, should have freed up close to 70Mb Why the difference? What is the difference? Is it pre-allocated disk space for them? When ext2 partitions are created, 5% of the space is reserved for root by default. The Use% parameter shown by df is the percentage of the space available to users that is used. You can control the amount of space reserved for root only when you create the partition, by specifying it as a switch to the mke2fs command. Unfortunately, none of the distributions that I've ever installed let you specify the amount of reserved space before creating the partitions. In the past I've booted first with something like tomsrtbt (http://www.toms.net/rb/) and create the partitions manually before performing the real installation. These days I install Debian and it's just a matter of Alt-F2-ing to a prompt to manually mke2fs the partitions mid-installation. If you want to fix it, do a backup, re-mke2fs the partition (man mke2fs will help) and restore the backup. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Disk Full
CaT wrote: tune2fs is your friend. Oooh, cool. Learnt something new today. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
Tom Massey wrote: 5 REM With the recent talk about BASIC being useless 6 REM I just had to demonstrate the utility of BASIC 7 REM in the modern Linux community. [cut] 50050 REM (Yes, I am seeking counselling) Rick Welykochy wrote: [cut] #!/bin/bash STOPTHISTHANG=1 IntercalCompiler=ICC Intercal_EN_Compiler=$ICC Intercal_DE_Compiler=echo [cut] CORBA_Broker_Bork=Rejkyvik Capital city of Iceland? if [ "$1" = "bada-bing" ]; then # $(ECHO) f-f-f--f-f-f--f---f--f-f-f-f-f-f--A-R_T echo $badabing_v2 elif [ "$1" = "debug" ]; then $ECHO $kermit_hash_source elif [ "$1" = "hell" ]; then $ECHO "'$0: demonstrate giga-second calculations using INTERNAL'" elif [ "$1" = "help" -o "$1" = "--help" -o "$1" = "-?" ]; then $GCC "ICL505 SINCE ME: HEL FILE CLASSIFRIED 'TOP SECRET' RATED 'X' ON THE WAY I DROPPED A HIT CORRECT HOUSE AND RE-LEVERAGE" echo -e "\n\n\nTry This: $0 bada-ping\n\n" There are some seriously, seriously screwed up individuals on this list. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Unix Giga-Party
James Wilkinson wrote: Dammit, the binary still comes out to be 3k after stripping. Then obviously you need to read this: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Snippets from this week's Debian Weekly News
Original Message Subject: Debian Weekly News - February 13th, 2001 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:59:09 + (UTC) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:41 -0800 From: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2001/5/ Debian Weekly News - February 13th, 2001 --- Welcome to Debian Weekly News, a newsletter for the Debian community. The DPL campaign is heating up. [1]Anand Kumria, [2]Bdale Garbee, and [3]Branden Robinson each joined Ben Collins in announcing that they will run for DPL. The timeline for the elections was [4]pushed back since things got off to a late start. The nomination period ends today, and then campaigning will begin in earnest. [cut] --- References 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote-0102/msg0.html [cut] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Deliberate Virus??? WAS [SLUG] Here you have, ;o)
John Morrissey wrote: Was this a deliberate effort to infect people on the list who happen to be using windoze? Consider.. Mr Innes appears to be inside a well setup linux network. There have not been ANY postings from Mr Innes during the last year. You can call me cynical. BUT? Here's the source JUDGE FOR YOURSELF And here's more of the source: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 He might be inside a well setup linux network, but this email still came from an Outlook-infected machine. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] problem about installing modem in redhat 6.2
Huiyong Liu wrote: When after installing internal modem( conexant softk56 Data,Fax,RTAM PCI Modem) It's a software modem (aka winmodem). ie. it's not a modem at all - the cpu does all the hard work in software instead. It used to be impossible to use one of these under anything but Win9x. Now some winmodem chipsets are supported under Linux. Look here for more info: http://linmodems.org/ This page also has some good information: http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html IMHO though, you should think about getting yourself a real (preferrably external so you know for sure) modem. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
Martin wrote: The lag in producing a stable distro is too long, as almost everyone in the project would accept, and needs to be reduced a little I would've thought this less of an issue these days, now that package pools have been implemented and the 'testing' branch created. For those not in the know, the testing distribution is basically a 2-week-old unstable. Packages can only enter the testing pool after they have been in unstable for 2 weeks without a release-critical bug, and can then only enter if all of their dependencies are satisfied from packages within the testing pool. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] [Fwd: those who live in glasshouses ..]
Interesting message received on our internal linux mailing list here at Canon... Strange, no? Original Message Subject: those who live in glasshouses .. Date: Mon, 05 Feb 01 15:05:50 +1100 linuxjournal were crowing about microsoft's dnses running linux : http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/buzz/0044.html fair enough. so what is store.linuxjournal.com running on? if you go there, notice the big 'windows free zone' tape. let's ask netcraft what the site is running : http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=store.linuxjournal.com beautiful. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the topic of new lists.
Crossfire wrote: proposal If you're posting socially, then make sure you have a [social] in your subject. etc. [snip] /proposal better proposal Make a slug-social or slug-chat mail address that shares a common subscriber's list with [EMAIL PROTECTED], so the same people get sent the messages, but have the server prepend [social] to the subject of the messages. /better proposal -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] seeking old Slackware distribution (Hamm)
Danny Yee wrote: A colleague - Patrick Taylor/SYD/CEtv [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is looking for a copy of the Hamm dist of Slackware (preferably an ISO). Er... Hamm is Debian 2.0 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] OT: Battery for Tecra 700CT
Sorry about the OT post... Does anyone know where I can get a battery for an (aging) Toshiba Tecra 700CT laptop? Thanks, Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Changing user id.
Jill Rowling wrote:
Use colon, not '.', ie
find /some/starting/directory -group 503 -user 503 \
-exec chown 690:750 {}\;
What's the difference? I can't see any in the man page - the colon and
dot seem to be interchangeable.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Bigpond Direct ADSL pricing
DaZZa wrote: you, the user, are solely responsible for monitoring your useage, and ensuring you stay within the floating limit at all times. s/floating limit/(downward) floating limit/ ... because as the high-bandwidth users are removed from the system, the average load decreases. Which is bloody ridiculous. Oath! Optus users should unite, and organise to all download the same amount as each other so everyone stays under the limit (which is 10*average, I understand), and make that amount huge so that Optus' network collapses under it's own weight. Maybe then Optus will see the errors of their ways. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Resend: Bigpond Cable
Scott Ragen wrote: But also I wish to tackle the USB Network card problem *IF* its not too difficult, just wondering if anyone had the SMC EZ CONNECT network adapter and able to get it working under linux, smc have no info on their site, that I can see. Google. Is friend. Is good. http://www.google.com/search?q=SMC+EZ+CONNECT+USB+network+Linuxhl=enlr=safe=off -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] New LINUX Usr
Peter Hardy wrote: Apparently there's a Western Sydney Linux Users Group that meets at Richmond once a month. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I know, this group never made it past November 1999. They were unable to continue holding meetings at the Richmond UWS campus. Up until then, there was a regular turnout of 8-10 people every month. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 2.4 on a laptop
Pete Black wrote: Debian's woody distribution is using a version of Modutils that doesn't satisfy 2.4.0 software prerequisites. You need the version from unstable (2.3.23). Note that since the introduction of package pools and the 'testing' tree, unstable != woody. (rather, woody == testing) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
