RE: [RCSE] Stiffening up a flexiable fiberglass fuselage
After finally reading a couple of these, I agree with most everything guys are saying. But if you want to find the best foam product out there, Tower Hobbies (ya, the monster) sells a two part mixed foam that's absolutely the best out there, and it is a chemical cure, so no doughy spots. Also, I use a monoject syringe to inject it 10cc's at a time starting at the back and working forward, there is a plug back there to stop rearward movement. By using 10cc at a time, injecting it controls the placement, and working forward you, never end up exploding a fuse. Marc -Original Message- From: Martin Usher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Stiffening up a flexiable fiberglass fuselage Has anyone ever tried stiffening up a flexiable or weak fiberglass fuselage by squirting that expandable foam ( the kind you use on your house to seal out leaks around windows, doors, etc.) down the inside of the fuse? I've done this on quite a lot of fuses with excellent results, so much so that I use it on all my planes. It does tighten up the fuse and will help to stop it from crushing. It also pins the control cables in place. It adds minimal weight to the fuse because you only need a tiny amount to fill a fuse. Its not without its drawbacks, though. 1) This stuff expands quite a lot. You have to provide it somewhere to expand to. If you don't it will force itself into places you don't want. It also has the potential to damage structures. 2) Its sticky. If it gets where you don't want it getting it off is going to be a pain. (Also see #5) 3) Its abrasive. If it gets into things it shouldn't -- e.g. servos -- it can damage them. 4) Its not a structural material. It can help to add strength but it can't substitute for a proper structure. (Repair the fuse first, then stiffen it.) 5) It has the potential to create a mess in the workshop that dwarfs in scale and scope anything most people have experienced. Polyurethane foam isn't the best raw material for us. We can dream of the day that we see an aerosol can of EPP on the hardware store shelves! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] OVSS Final Scores Up
For all concerned, the final OVSS scores for 2001 are up on the website. Jim Bacus has done a great job and has kept the site in great shape all year, pictures included. The address for the site is www.jimbacus.net/soaring/OVSS2001/OVSS2001.html I will also put this out. Fall Round Up will be in Muncie Spetember 14-15, 2002. LOFT tried to get Labor Day weekend again, but we are not allowed to fly with the FF guys anymore because they said there were problems, I do not remember any, but who knows. Hopefully, the schedule will gel here pretty quick and we will know what is up for 2002 OVSS. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Logic HLG
I've been flying the Logic DHL. Simply put, this style of hlg flying makes the traditional throwing obsolete... The hight is amazing... Even with no prior DHL experience this plane has shown no sign of wear or stress. The overall flight characteristics of the plane is spectacular. -Original Message- From: Bert Magin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: December 19, 2001 6:53 PM To: Randy Bullard; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Logic HLG See Charles French's Logic Fuse Mods here: http://home.att.net/~items/DHL/index.htm I think the wing will need re-enforcement else it may crease. Bert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] steel stiffness, hardness and zoom launches.
Hi Bill, Nice post. Regarding line stretch: Have you ever launched with monofilament line on the drum? If not, I suggest you do so. Winch launching will never be the same. As a small bonus, you can use a shorter winch to turnaround distance. Regards, -- Stephen Syrotiak Building Service Southern Connecticut Talking too much about theory will make you fall off a thermal With permission from Mike Popescu RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nats
Alden, I think you comments were well placed. Joe Naber, MVVS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 7037 vs. MH32 Discussion
--- Art Mcnamee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are afraid to fly the RG15 as they say it won't thermal. They are wrong. Yep. RG15 is a great thermal airfoil. In fact, an RG15-equipped Pike won the F3J WC if I remember right. __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
Yes on Ads. John Roe --- Karlton Spindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO reprisals no hidden emails. Like Joe Friday lets get just the facts. Lets take a quick poll. YES OR NO ON ADS! One thing about Sam though he uses a AD DRIVEN FREE email address service HOTMAIL. That is sort of funny... Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com http://www.svmSPEEDWAY.com http://www.SVMracing.com - Original Message - From: Sam Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Not a NEW Product... Is SAM really LUCAS in DISGUISE? So far I have rec'd. 26 replies that want ads. I have rec'd 236 that do not. The do nots, do not post, because they say they will get emails from stupid people like you. Sorry, it's your problem, not mine. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John Roe Laguna Hills, Ca www.MartialArtsAcademy.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] more scale talk!
I would ask JW to please please send me coordinates. If he wouldn't I would use a 7035 or something like it. JR --- Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c'mon, no more opinions? e374, hq 2s, sd6060, what? looking for any thoughts / opinions on a 4.5 - 5M DG-600. what would YOU want, if you were buying / building this?? thanks, brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John Roe Laguna Hills, Ca www.MartialArtsAcademy.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] LIFTROLL curves
The Local Cl curve helps you to evaluate the wings tendency to tip stall. The Lift Distribution tells how close the wing comes to the ideal elliptical distribution and thus the minimum induced drag. Which is more important depends on your personal tastes and what the plane is intended to do. Most of the time both are fairly important. Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
At 09:11 AM 12/20/01 -0800, you wrote: NO reprisals no hidden emails. Like Joe Friday lets get just the facts. Lets take a quick poll. YES OR NO ON ADS! Emphatically YES. Joe Parsons One thing about Sam though he uses a AD DRIVEN FREE email address service HOTMAIL. That is sort of funny... Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle Multimedia development and hosting 925.829.5923 www.yankeemedia.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] 4.5M - 5M Foil?
thoughts / opinions on a 4.5 - 5M DG-600 foil.? This is interesting. Roughly speaking the bigger the RE#'s the better. Thus, the bigger chords seen on a 5M plane would be good. Thus, you could choose whatever foil you'd normally choose. However, is it really that straight forward? Or, perhaps is it necessary to use a foil designed for the higher RE#'s? Gavin? Blain? John? Joe? Any big plane foil opinions? Us arm chair AE's want to know. Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
I believe Karlton said *quick* poll, but since he failed to adequately get that point across to people, it is obviously time to start bashing him. From: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Karlton Spindle [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:23:29 -0800 (PST) Yes on Ads. John Roe --- Karlton Spindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO reprisals no hidden emails. Like Joe Friday lets get just the facts. Lets take a quick poll. YES OR NO ON ADS! One thing about Sam though he uses a AD DRIVEN FREE email address service HOTMAIL. That is sort of funny... Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle http://www.MultiplexRC.com http://www.svmSPEEDWAY.com http://www.SVMracing.com - Original Message - From: Sam Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Not a NEW Product... Is SAM really LUCAS in DISGUISE? So far I have rec'd. 26 replies that want ads. I have rec'd 236 that do not. The do nots, do not post, because they say they will get emails from stupid people like you. Sorry, it's your problem, not mine. _ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John Roe Laguna Hills, Ca www.MartialArtsAcademy.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
The ads are ok. I don't even mind Karleton occasionaly plugging his RC car stuff. :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
Yes to ads! Ed Franz RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] KILL KARLTON!
A soaring related post to group for a change of pace. I just head of a Top Secrete Hand Launch Society (SHLS) that has been meeting to practice the ART of HL. What a great idea a once a month clinic with friends working on HL skill NOT a contest but a clinic. I hard top HL pilots belong to such a group. Would one of you SHLS please come forward with your next clinic date so the un-washed masses may participate. Smooth Sailing, Karlton Spindle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
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Re: [RCSE] 7037 vs. MH32 Discussion
--- GG On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:29:38 Art Mcnamee wrote: Some are afraid to fly the RG15 as they say it won't thermal. They are wrong. The RG15 will range, go fast and will thermal. Art is right! Does anyone remember the Airtronics/Mark Allen Thermal Eagle? Not a bad plane plane to say the least. I will be flying one this year as a real windy weather TD plane as well as my other lighter stuff. Was fortunate to score what may probably be one of the few remaining NIB Thermal Eagle kits not long ago and cant wait to get it in the air! Walter Is your boss reading your email? Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] ADS ONCE AND FOR ALL
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[RCSE] enough with all the AD @#%$%@$^
Get a life people! Ladub
[RCSE] Ads once and for all
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[RCSE] Enough voting!!
OK everybody, I think there have been plenty of votes - more than enough for us to have a good idea what the majority wants. On my end I have only seen 'yes' and 'yes, conditionally' votes. So unless you have a no vote, I think we can all stop posting! Brian Owner of the Growing Killfile - My PGP public key can be downloaded from: http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~brianj/key.asc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] messy shop contest
Dave Goebel recently sent me the following note. (I hope you don't mind me quoting you Dave, but this was YOUR idea.) :) ... Brian, I think all of us need another dose of Hawaii sloping photos to end the RCSE Advertising threads, any of you or your flying buddies got some amazingly awesome photos that would generate a question or technical thread of some sort? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Fair Winds, David Goebel Sufferer of recurrent nightmares of NEVER flying in Hawaii..g (If I ever do come out there, I'll bring everything from a Red Herring to a DAM T-33! .. Well, after I finished laughing at the idea of Dave having nightmares about not making it to Hawaii, I got to thinking. I started going through my pictures looking for something interesting to post, and came across a few of my friends Dino and Duane working on their planes in my shop. At first I thought, well there is no way I can post those, my shop was way too messy. (As it always is.) Then I started to think, hmmm, I wonder if there is anyone else out there who is a bigger slob than I am??? So, I went ahead and posted the pictures. If anyone else out there really has a messier shop than I do, let's see some photographic proof!!! I will save any replies I get that are not posted on the web elsewhere and post them myself later, after I have a few collected to show everybody. This could be kinda fun, and at least we might get a fresh new thread going around here!!! You can see my shop pictures and a few pictures of the maiden flight of Dino's new foamie by clicking here: http://www.aloha.net/~bugz/shop/index.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Some small DS videos
My friend's and I have started to fool around with putting some soaring videos up on my website. I've got a few DS ones up right now. They are a bit small, I know. Suggestions appreciated... http://bjaffee.tripod.com/homepage/video/video.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Which Way Does a Thermal Rotate in the Nothern Hemisphere?
Coriolis effect only affects very large scale things, like air masses, where size is measured in hundreds of miles. For the Reynolds numbers and mathematically inclined: http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/coriolis/coriolis_force_sci_physics_faq.html -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] messy shop contest
My shop can kick your shop butt when it comes to messy! Photos will be sent tomorrow! Be warned! My junk has tools in it and they have stuff on top of them, and inspite of it you can see any of it cuz its under balsa dust, resin chips, glue spills, bits of wire insulation and backing from two way tape, sparkly tape, foam tape, aluminum tape, Volz stickers and you can see any of that cuz of the Gordy I'd clean it up but I'm heading to Milwaukee to share some brewski's with the Slopeflyers.com guys. :)
Re: [RCSE] Charging NiCd vs. NiMH batteries
Mike ODonnell wrote: Can someone enlighten me? I have an Energizer Universal charger that I have been using quite satisfactorily for 2-3 years now and it has a switch on top to go between NiCD and NiMH. HELP. NiCd and Ni-MH charge the same, except that Ni-MH have a much less pronounced negative peak when they enter overcharge (this is the point when most chargers turn off or switch to a very low rate like C/50). The switch likely controls the charger's peak sensitivity. I had a similar charger (no switch, but rated for both) for the Ni-MH I use in my digital camera. One day I discharged the freshy charged 1600 mAh cells on my Alpha 4 at the 500 mA discharge rate ... and was shocked to get only about 800 mAh! After charging on the Alpha 4 at 160 mA I again discharged it and got over 1700 mAh. I threw away that lame Ni-MH charger, and only use my Alpha 4 now. -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] HELP! - TopFlite Metrick
Hello Anyone, I'm just back into the r/c soaring stuff after 20 some years... anyway I just finished my TopFlite Metrick that had been 95% finished and stored away since 1981. (I bought this at the time since I could only dream of owning a Hobie Hawk - I was 17 then!) I would like to connect with anyone who has any experience with one of these birds. I built mine with the spoilers. I think at the time it was supposed to be a pretty hi-perf plane... but not to todays standard I'm sure. In particular if you have anything on what the throw of the rudder and elevator should be. Also, What are the flying characteristics? Anything would be helpful... is there a vintage class I can fly in???!!! Thanks, Brian Joder [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
