Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
I am successfully running LMS on a Qnap NAS in a container. The Qnap is a lovely server that suits my needs and works well in conjunction with my Touch. All music is in Flac format and backed up to the cloud using Qnap backup utility. The container makes the process quick and easy. spile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37780 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
iPhone wrote: > . > . > That last sentence says it all, depends on what you want plus what you > ultimately want to get out of your Server/NAS. > > Michael is the guru when it comes to this and like him, I have been > running Linux since Vortexbox version 0.9. I agree Linux is the total > package and most powerful, plus I agree if you build a server and just > put a Linux Distro on it, one needs to "Know" Linux. But here is where I > see an option my mentor might be overlooking: *Vortexbox* > Vortexbox uses Fedora Linux as its base, but it is designed to run both > LMS and PLEX with minimum or even no user knowledge of Linux. Basically > the best of both world, the power of Linux but with the set it up and > forget it of an NAS. Can it do more things if one knows or learns Linux, > yes. But knowing Linux is not required. All that is needed is the > ability to flash an image on a USB Thumb drive (simple instructions > provided) and use the flash drive on a target PC/Server, and the USB > does the rest. Vortexbox has a GUI for EVERYTHING else, no Linux needed. > My parents and even my blonde sister are running LMS servers with > Vortexbox. It is worth a look if an NAS has been a pain or you want more > power for less money and can flash a USB Thumb Drive. > > www.vortexbox.org > > And yes I am a big fan of Vortexbox. For a few years I used it as is > using only the GUI. I now have learned some Linux following the > Vortexbox Community with line by line step by step instructions to add > things I thought I would never use, but now can't think how I would do > without them. PLEX LMS BLISS Auto-ripping CDs & Blu-rays Tonido > Auto-Backup I like Vortexbox too. I ran LMS on it for years - I hacked it so that CDs etc were ripped straight to my NAS and LMS read the NAS for the files - but I don't run LMS on it anymore - mine is a VB2.3 which won't run Spotty. I still use it for ripping straight to my NAS and occiasionally for Plex (files also on NAS). I thought about building a new one with VB2.4 but decided against it as the lead developer seems reluctant to issue regular updates of LMS. You can update manually from the nightly repo but then you break its ability to update itself. The Fedora its built with is also ancient by todays standards and the regular failures of the Forum server don't inspire confidence. That said I agree that if you want a self contained single box solution and don't want to be leading edge with the version of LMS you run then it is a very good use of an old PC and should be a definite option for a Linux newbie. PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
mherger wrote: > Wow... a lot has been written. Some confusing, some helpful, some plain > wrong. So here's my suggestion(s). > > > > > - If you want a system which just works without fuzzing around: get > a Synology NAS. It comes with a fairly recent LMS package. - If you want a NAS, but are willing to tinker a tad bit in order to > get brand independence: get whatever NAS covers your other needs, > cost etc., and add a Raspberry Pi3 to run LMS. - If you want ultimate flexibility, then go the PC/Linux route. > > > > > I've been in all three categories over the years. > > I have been running my own PC based Linux servers at home for 15+ > years. Total control, powerful, and all that. But it requires Linux > skills. > > I have run Netgear ReadyNAS for about 10 years at the office, as we > partnered with them a while back. Alas they have totally re-vamped > their firmwares and are no longer compatible out of the box. Thus I've > added a Pi3 running piCorePlayer earlier this year (and am very happy > with that setup). > > And I finally bought some 2011 Synology NAS to investigate Spotty > compatibility issues a few months ago. And I was blown away by its > features and ease of use. And the fact that it still is getting > regular firmware updates. > > There's no single true answer. It all depends on what you want. . . That last sentence says it all, depends on what you want plus what you ultimately want to get out of your Server/NAS. Michael is the guru when it comes to this and like him, I have been running Linux since Vortexbox version 0.9. I agree Linux is the total package and most powerful, plus I agree if you build a server and just put a Linux Distro on it, one needs to "Know" Linux. But here is where I see an option my mentor might be overlooking: *Vortexbox* Vortexbox uses Fedora Linux as its base, but it is designed to run both LMS and PLEX with minimum or even no user knowledge of Linux. Basically the best of both world, the power of Linux but with the set it up and forget it of an NAS. Can it do more things if one knows or learns Linux, yes. But knowing Linux is not required. All that is needed is the ability to flash an image on a USB Thumb drive (simple instructions provided) and use the flash drive on a target PC/Server, and the USB does the rest. Vortexbox has a GUI for EVERYTHING else, no Linux needed. My parents and even my blonde sister are running LMS servers with Vortexbox. It is worth a look if an NAS has been a pain or you want more power for less money and can flash a USB Thumb Drive. www.vortexbox.org And yes I am a big fan of Vortexbox. For a few years I used it as is using only the GUI. I now have learned some Linux following the Vortexbox Community with line by line step by step instructions to add things I thought I would never use, but now can't think how I would do without them. PLEX LMS BLISS Auto-ripping CDs & Blu-rays Tonido Auto-Backup *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
zbucklyo wrote: > I was recently in a similar situation. Netgear DUO NAS died. I bought > a Synology DS218+ and have been very happy so far. Easy installation of > LMS, the user interface is far superior to Netgear. I'm not a techie, > so the Raspberry Pi solution recommended by others would have been > beyond me. Yes, probably cool soloution, but sounds like lot of job :) Easier with a NAS I guess KjellTore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
Wow... a lot has been written. Some confusing, some helpful, some plain wrong. So here's my suggestion(s). - If you want a system which just works without fuzzing around: get a Synology NAS. It comes with a fairly recent LMS package. - If you want a NAS, but are willing to tinker a tad bit in order to get brand independence: get whatever NAS covers your other needs, cost etc., and add a Raspberry Pi3 to run LMS. - If you want ultimate flexibility, then go the PC/Linux route. I've been in all three categories over the years. I have been running my own PC based Linux servers at home for 15+ years. Total control, powerful, and all that. But it requires Linux skills. I have run Netgear ReadyNAS for about 10 years at the office, as we partnered with them a while back. Alas they have totally re-vamped their firmwares and are no longer compatible out of the box. Thus I've added a Pi3 running piCorePlayer earlier this year (and am very happy with that setup). And I finally bought some 2011 Synology NAS to investigate Spotty compatibility issues a few months ago. And I was blown away by its features and ease of use. And the fact that it still is getting regular firmware updates. There's no single true answer. It all depends on what you want. Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - Spotty, MusicArtistInfo mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
KjellTore wrote: > One of my NAS Duo died just now and I want to buy a new NAS. > What kind of choices do I have for NAS running Logitech Media Server? > Synology DiskStation DS216j? > Western Digital My Cloud? > Other suggestions? > > I do not want the most expensive soloutions :) Hello and welcome to the Forum. I highly recommend NOT buying or using any NAS. Yes they work, yes there are some decent ones out their, but you get so much more power and use out of a real media server. If you don't want to deal with Windows, NT, or other OSs, I can highly recommend Vortexbox 2.4. It is a media server OS built on Fedora Linux. It easily runs LMS and PLEX as well as other useful powerful programs so it can act as an NAS if you need to store files that are not music, movies, or picture files. An older PC can be used as a target PC to put Vortexbox onto (note: Vortexbox wipes ALL drives and places a Fedora OS on the PC). Or an older PC can be used as a starting point and additional parts added to make the Media Server you need. On an additional note, a true 64bit CPU and Motherboard make the best donor/target PC for Vortexbox. One can add an SSD drive to run the OS on and all other added drives will be storage. I highly recommend not setting up any RAID because it is NOT backup, just make proper timely backups to USB drives with the built in Backing Up procedure. If you have questions about Vortexbox have a look at their website or ask on this forum as several of us are running it. Lastly, note that Vortexbox 2.4 REQUIRES a true 64 bit machine, if the target PC is 32 bit one must use Vortexbox 2.3. I have owned 2 different NAS machines and neither were able to deal with my library or really made a decent LMS Server (and I had high end NAS units). Just my two cents from somebody that has been doing this for over a decade. *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
I was recently in a similar situation. Netgear DUO NAS died. I bought a Synology DS218+ and have been very happy so far. Easy installation of LMS, the user interface is far superior to Netgear. I'm not a techie, so the Raspberry Pi solution recommended by others would have been behind me. zbucklyo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
KjellTore wrote: > One of my NAS Duo died just now and I want to buy a new NAS. > What kind of choices do I have for NAS running Logitech Media Server? > Synology DiskStation DS216j? > Western Digital My Cloud? > Other suggestions? > > I do not want the most expensive soloutions :) It is not an easy decision. For some technical reason which I dont fully understand, yet, LMS seems to be quite picky of the hardware to run on. This is totally different to other Media Players like MinimServer, DSAudio or BubbleUPnP. So your decision should be to which extent you will be relying on LMS. Plus, the more albums, the more media formats, the more complex setup you have, the more you should look to an individual solution using a separate server / player setup like on a Pi. For standard users without such demands and programming know how, I would still recommend a good NAS (of course Synology) but then prefer one with an Intel processor rather than ARM. :) *Server:* LMS 7.9.1-166 Synology @ Sept 04 2017 on DS216Play. SOX mansr ARMv7 & C-3PO. *Players:* SB Radio, Freecom MusicPal. Multiroom HiFi: Denon AVR-X4000, AVM M30, Nubert NuLine/NuVero 5.1+2 Ge Ba's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
In home network bandwith (ethernet or wifi) is sufficient to use such a thing for audio streaming? Interesting. Thanks -- this is interesting. Regards Guy Stalnaker jimmyg...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:04 PM, d6jg < d6jg.891...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > A NAS is built as a shared storage device with appropriate hardware. A > usb disk is highly likely to fail in comparison. > A 2 disk NAS in Raid 1 will give you some redundancy - not to be > confused with backup. > > > > PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) > *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s > *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 > -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes > *Dining Room* -> SB Boom > *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) > *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones > *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s > Everything controlled by iPeng > > d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 > > ___ > Squeezecenter mailing list > Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter > ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
A NAS is built as a shared storage device with appropriate hardware. A usb disk is highly likely to fail in comparison. A 2 disk NAS in Raid 1 will give you some redundancy - not to be confused with backup. PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
Genuinely curious about this thread -- why use a NAS at all? What's the advantage over a USB3 Tb drive plugged into my Max2Play/Pi system? Guy Guy Stalnaker jimmyg...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:54 PM, d6jg < d6jg.891...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > +2 > The Pi (piCorePlayer) plus NAS Route is by far the most sensible current > option. > I believe that our leader - mherger - has adopted this approach. If it’s > ok for him etc > > > > PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) > *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s > *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 > -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes > *Dining Room* -> SB Boom > *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) > *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones > *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s > Everything controlled by iPeng > > d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 > > > ___ > Squeezecenter mailing list > Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter > > ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
+2 The Pi (piCorePlayer) plus NAS Route is by far the most sensible current option. I believe that our leader - mherger - has adopted this approach. If its ok for him etc PI3 PCP/LMS STORAGE QNAP TS419P (NFS) *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
Grumpy Bob wrote: > I would not run LMS on a NAS - instead I would buy a NAS just to store > files, and run LMS on a Raspberry Pi 3 with piCorePlayer, pointing it at > the music files on the NAS. I did this some years ago after I got fed up > with hassles around updating LMS on my QNAP NAS. > > Robert Hm... Will be a complete new setup for me then. Sounds a bit hard to set up. Server on my Netgears have worked as a dream earlier KjellTore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
Grumpy Bob wrote: > I would not run LMS on a NAS - instead I would buy a NAS just to store > files, and run LMS on a Raspberry Pi 3 with piCorePlayer, pointing it at > the music files on the NAS. I did this some years ago after I got fed up > with hassles around updating LMS on my QNAP NAS. > > Robert *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 - *Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - RPi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Boom *Garage* - Radio *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play/Access Point plugin > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3 kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
I would not run LMS on a NAS - instead I would buy a NAS just to store files, and run LMS on a Raspberry Pi 3 with piCorePlayer, pointing it at the music files on the NAS. I did this some years ago after I got fed up with hassles around updating LMS on my QNAP NAS. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9 with files on QNAP TS-239 Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 and Naim CD3) PiCorePlayer(Pi2) with touchscreen and IQAudIO DAC+>Sennheisers 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired) *Office:* LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Choose NAS
One of my NAS Duo died just now and I want to buy a new NAS. What kind of choices do I have for NAS running Logitech Media Server? Synology DiskStation DS216j? Western Digital My Cloud? Other suggestions? I do not want the most expensive soloutions :) KjellTore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
