Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

thanks for your inputs!
I'm currently testing Tidal in parallel to Spotify at home and at the
office, i clearly hear differences with the FLAC files. but then comes
another aspect that i didn't though before, is the user interface and
more particularly the random mix or the available playlists, where in
TIDAL i'm surpirse to almost never heart something that i know and be
poluted by some R/Rap music all the time ...anyway that's another
discussion that does not need to be treated here.

I've not yet started the creation of a new SD card with just
Squeezeelite and compare it with my existing MoOde OS. that is for this
week-end :-)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[emalvick]

d6jg wrote: 
> I have tried most of the FLAC services and I have stuck with Spotify
> largely because of the integration that Michael has achieved with Spotty
> combined with DSTM/Lastmix and the recently introduced Random Seed (my
> request) options. I don't use Spotty's "Connect mode" I still manage
> everything via LMS (iPeng & Material).
> 
> Like others if I want high-res I buy the CD or a FLAC download. I have
> got good kit and I can detect the difference between 320kbps mp3/ogg and
> FLAC but I can't hear a difference between 16/44.1 FLAC and 24/96 FLAC
> or higher.
> 
> I have recently started using Radio Paradise in FLAC and I think the SQ
> there is very good but that is of course a high end Internet Radio
> station rather than a streaming service.

Among my own files, I can usually hear a difference between a 320kbps
mp3 or FLAC file.  But once they are streams, it gets much fuzzier. 
Perhaps it is my network or another software issue, but the 320 stream
still sound like 320 files while FLAC streams also sound like 320's and
even worse sometimes.  My experience with FLAC streams has been limited
to Tidal and RadioParadise, so it is hardly representative, and it is
more likely representing the services as I know FLAC files sound
better.

For instance, the 320 AAC stream on RadioParadise sounds as good as
their FLAC files to my ears through my system.  

Ultimately, I think there are a lot of variables.  I run an optical line
from my squeezebox to my primary receiver, which is where I focus my
comparisons.  In my case, the receiver is impacting quality (I am not an
audiophile so I don't try to quantify how), my internet bandwidth could
have an impact, server, etc.  This is why I think it really is going to
depend on a users equipment and setup.  With all my other devices, I
can't even differentiate mp3 from FLAC as the quality is generally lower
on account of the speakers and listening environment.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[d6jg]

emalvick wrote: 
> To the original question and streaming service, I honestly think it is
> going to depend on the audio equipment you are listening on.  You just
> might have to try it out to see what sounds best. 
> 
> I tried Tidal once, and it did not sound better than the Spotify stream
> I was getting. The fault was probably on my end, and I did work through
> things and verified I was getting the FLAC stream, but to my ears I
> heard the following:
> 
> 1. Spotify sounded better than the Tidal stream for the same tracks
> 2. My own FLAC files sounded better than the Tidal streams.
> 
> There are many reasons why that may happen.  I stuck with Spotify. 
> Honestly, when I get to a point where I care about the quality enough, I
> buy the recording (either CD or FLAC), so I don't feel like I am missing
> much.  There may be other considerations outside sound quality that
> could matter, but I am not addressing that.

I have tried most of the FLAC services and I have stuck with Spotify
largely because of the integration that Michael has achieved with Spotty
combined with DSTM/Lastmix and the recently introduced Random Seed (my
request) options. I don't use Spotty's "Connect mode" I still manage
everything via LMS (iPeng & Material).

Like others if I want high-res I buy the CD or a FLAC download. I have
got good kit and I can detect the difference between 320kbps mp3/ogg and
FLAC but I can't hear a difference between 16/44.1 FLAC and 24/96 FLAC
or higher.

I have recently started using Radio Paradise in FLAC and I think the SQ
there is very good but that is of course a high end Internet Radio
station rather than a streaming service.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[emalvick]

To the original question and streaming service, I honestly think it is
going to depend on the audio equipment you are listening on.  You just
might have to try it out to see what sounds best. 

I tried Tidal once, and it did not sound better than the Spotify stream
I was getting. The fault was probably on my end, and I did work through
things and verified I was getting the FLAC stream, but to my ears I
heard the following:

1. Spotify sounded better than the Tidal stream for the same tracks
2. My own FLAC files sounded better than the Tidal streams.

There are many reasons why that may happen.  I stuck with Spotify. 
Honestly, when I get to a point where I care about the quality enough, I
buy the recording (either CD or FLAC), so I don't feel like I am missing
much.  There may be other considerations outside sound quality that
could matter, but I am not addressing that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Michael Herger]

mysb.com does not seem to work, unable to access this site. can you
check please?

It's mysqueezebox.com.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

mysb.com does not seem to work, unable to access this site. can you
check please?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Christian Schoepplein]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 03:32:10PM +, jayce996 wrote:
>So at the end what remains? Deezer premium & Qobuz Sublime, that's all?
>Is Qobuz be the only solution?

If you like to use plugins which are available via mysb.com only, yes. 
The Deezer plugin via mysb.com streams only mp3 quality. If you like to 
have Deezer Hifi and flac quality you need to use Ickstream. 
Unfortunatly the Deezer plugin on Ickstream does not have many features 
implemented that are available via the official plugin on mysb.com, it 
would be really great to have the official Deezer plugin also stream 
flac.

Ciao,

  Schoepp

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

planetgroove wrote: 
> MQA = Most Questionable Audio Format of all time
> 
> Why does one pack an already highres audio file into another container
> with a necessary conversion step (See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated#Codec_description:
> "MQA encoding is lossy; it hierarchically compresses the relatively
> little energy in the higher frequency bands into data streams that are
> embedded in the lower frequency bands using proprietary dithering
> techniques.")? That is nothing but nonsense.
> MQA was only developed to keep the sole control over the
> distribution-channels. Instead of simply selling the original
> uncorrupted wav-, flac-, DSD-files etc. which the mastering-facilities
> put out, the "inventors" try to establish another proprietary file
> format and try to convince the hardware-manufacturers to get the
> buzzword out. The manufacturers - at least those uncritical - are
> thankful to have the next marketing hype, helping them to make new money
> with their next-gen devices.
> 
> It is a disastrous alliance for the quality of music. Even 44.1 kHz/16
> Bit stores all relevant information to get really good sounding results
> from your devices. But they not even want to sell these. Because then
> there is no reason for a new funky-sounding format to make money of.
> 
> See this also: https://www.linn.co.uk/blog/mqa-is-bad-for-music
> 
> To get more information on why even too high sampling rates are not
> necessary: http://lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-sampling-theory.pdf
> (Sampling Theory For Digital Audio – by Dan Lavry. Lavry Engineering,
> Inc.)

that was very interesting information, thank you very much.
in this case, this means that TIDAL is not a good option.
So at the end what remains? Deezer premium & Qobuz Sublime, that's all?
Is Qobuz be the only solution?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Man in a van]

jayce996 wrote: 
> ok, thx, i'll give it a try.
> now only the streaming provider needs to be choosen

All providers offer free trials, one is generally asked to subscribe to
commence the trial.

What I have done in the past, is just wait a day or so after the start
of the subscription and then cancel it. The subscription continues to
run until the end of the trial period. 

With LMS one can have several providers available at the same time.

Enjoy :)


You won't get the full MQA unless you have a dac that completes all the
unfolding (I can't remember if that is available via LMS).



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

ok, thx, i'll give it a try.
now only the streaming provider needs to be choosen



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Man in a van]

jayce996 wrote: 
> why? for sound quality?


just for using the same eco system, SQ is in the ear of the listener, be
happy :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

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MQA = Most Questionable Audio Format of all time

Why does one pack an already highres audio file into another container
with a necessary conversion step (See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated#Codec_description:
"MQA encoding is lossy; it hierarchically compresses the relatively
little energy in the higher frequency bands into data streams that are
embedded in the lower frequency bands using proprietary dithering
techniques.")? That is nothing but nonsense.
MQA was only developed to keep the sole control over the
distribution-channels. Instead of simply selling the original
uncorrupted wav-, flac-, DSD-files etc. which the mastering-facilities
put out, the "inventors" try to establish another proprietary file
format and try to convince the hardware-manufacturers to get the
buzzword out. The manufacturers - at least those uncritical - are
thankful to have the next marketing hype, helping them to make new money
with their next-gen devices.

It is a disastrous alliance for the quality of music. Even 44.1 kHz/16
Bit stores all relevant information to get really good sounding results
from your devices. But they not even want to sell these. Because then
there is no reason for a new funky-sounding format to make money of.

See this also: https://www.linn.co.uk/blog/mqa-is-bad-for-music

To get more information on why even too high sampling rates are not
necessary: http://lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-sampling-theory.pdf
(Sampling Theory For Digital Audio – by Dan Lavry. Lavry Engineering,
Inc.)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

why? for sound quality?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Man in a van]

jayce996 wrote: 
>  used by a raspberry pi 3 with the bundle KALI + PIANO 2.1 from ALLO
> with MoOde Audio installed in it.
> 
> 


I would suggest another sd card with only squeezelite installed for your
output



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

i did update my post in the meatime you did your reply with the
following providers: Deezer Premium, Tidal HIFI, Qobuz SUBLIME
but my question is more related to the support of such services and
sound quality with LMS knwoing that for example some people highlighted
the fact that Tidal MQA is not supported with TIDAL plugin in LMS for
example.
So that is the information i'm looking for: which service is supported
to its max with all functions.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[Rainer M Krug]

Here is an English link:

https://help.qobuz.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001675612-The-streaming-subscription-offers
 




> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:35, Rainer Krug  wrote:
> 
> You didn’t mention any in your post (except Spotify), but Qobuz streams Flac 
> and even highness (right terminology?) when you have subscribed to the right 
> plan (sorry - only have the link to the French page)
> 
> https://www.qobuz.com/ch-fr/music/streaming/offers 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:31, jayce996 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hello there,
>> which one of the follwoing streaming services allows me to listen to the
>> highest quality possible (if i bought the appropriate streaming plan)
>> with the latest LMS build hosted on a NUC i3 with ubuntu 18.04 and used
>> by a raspberry pi 3 with the bundle KALI + PIANO 2.1 from ALLO with
>> MoOde Audio installed in it.
>> knowing that today i'm using Spotify with no issue, but i would like to
>> benefit from a better sound quality.
>> Thank you in advance
>> 
>> 
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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Which streaming service working 100% HQ

[jayce996]

hello there,
which one of the follwoing streaming services allows me to listen to the
highest quality possible (if i bought the appropriate streaming plan)
with the latest LMS build hosted on a NUC i3 with ubuntu 18.04 and used
by a raspberry pi 3 with the bundle KALI + PIANO 2.1 from ALLO with
MoOde Audio installed in it.
knowing that today i'm using Spotify with no issue, but i would like to
benefit from a better sound quality.
Thank you in advance



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