RE: [42] Real Programmers
Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
While we are all reminiscingin the Tech news.Scott McNealy relates the obvious about who's left in the programming ballpark. http://news.com.com/ Click on the video titled McNealy: CFOs are a tough sell .the funniest part is who is sponsoring these cnet clips this monthLOL James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:23 AM To: Struts (E-mail) Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [42] Real Programmers
Computer Science at Tulane University was under Engineering. When asked why we were learning FORTRAN at all in our accelerated first semester FORTRAN/Pascal class, the professor replied, You are not an engineer if you do not know FORTRAN. - Original Message - From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:49 AM Computer Science at Tulane University was under Engineering. When asked why we were learning FORTRAN at all in our accelerated first semester FORTRAN/Pascal class, the professor replied, You are not an engineer if you do not know FORTRAN. - Original Message - From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
I met a real programmer the other day in line at Macy's. He calculated my change faster than anybody I've ever seen. :) peace, Joe -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:49 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Computer Science at Tulane University was under Engineering. When asked why we were learning FORTRAN at all in our accelerated first semester FORTRAN/Pascal class, the professor replied, You are not an engineer if you do not know FORTRAN. - Original Message - From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:49 AM Computer Science at Tulane University was under Engineering. When asked why we were learning FORTRAN at all in our accelerated first semester FORTRAN/Pascal class, the professor replied, You are not an engineer if you do not know FORTRAN. - Original Message - From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heh-heh. I agree with you, though I started life with a Commie 64 and learned BASIC. My next machine was a Mac 512 and learned C on it and the college's Unix system (and I always hated HyperCard). I actually was using REXX on a Sequoia 6000 and JCL on an IBM 370 before I ever learned how to program a DOS/Windows system. And though I never learned LISP, I did dabble in Scheme for awhile. I disagree with your opinion of FORTRAN users, however. The engineers gave the Real Programmers the algorithms, who then coded the app. Nevertheless, this is a topic that evokes perennial interest on struts-users. Mark Cogito ergo spud (I think, therefore I yam.) -Original Message- From: Brian Hickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:54 AM Mark, Re: Struts List et al Apologies for the off list contact. I read the So you want to be a real programmer note and I was ROTFL! I should explain that I was writing IBM 370/Assembler when that era happened. I did not, however opt for a TRS 80... a Real Programmer owned an Osborn computer (CPM was the OS). I don't know what age you are (none of my business) but I offer that LISP actually pre-dates FORTRAN and that FORTRAN was for ENGINEERS not Real Programmers. Real Programmers wrote in Assembler and LISP with the occasional maverick (me) who wrote in Algol. I also can confirm that I never spoke in capitol letters... LOL! I have, however, acquired this idiotic habit of using emoticons in emails which, I presume, imparts some semblance of emotion to an otherwise black and white email. Such is life. Adds: Real programmers don't use Prolog Real programmers do use SmallTalk Real programmers don't use Macs because they could never find the correlation between Hypercard editors and the OS (aka - there was no DOS window). Have a great weekend! Brian Hickey Codito ergo sum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [42] Real Programmers
Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
#@$%! Bloody Redcoat -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:13 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [42] Real Programmers
Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
This, sadly, fits the observed facts. I'd always hoped for so much more of you Yankees though. -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
Simon, All I have to say is: Jellied Eels and Mash, and Black pudding - What's that about? ;-) Your countrymen must have been really bored to think that up. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/02 02:40PM This, sadly, fits the observed facts. I'd always hoped for so much more of you Yankees though. -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
Personally I eat neither Jellied Eels or Black Pudding. And it always amuses me when Americans get on their high-horses about food, because what have they ever given the world? McDonalds! Simon -Original Message- From: Julie Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Simon, All I have to say is: Jellied Eels and Mash, and Black pudding - What's that about? ;-) Your countrymen must have been really bored to think that up. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/02 02:40PM This, sadly, fits the observed facts. I'd always hoped for so much more of you Yankees though. -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
Hey, I never said that those were 'bad' foods. Just interesting. And I happen to think that McDonalds has really yummy fries. ;) Julie 'The Elevated Equestrian Yankee Upstart' [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/02 03:20PM Personally I eat neither Jellied Eels or Black Pudding. And it always amuses me when Americans get on their high-horses about food, because what have they ever given the world? McDonalds! Simon -Original Message- From: Julie Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Simon, All I have to say is: Jellied Eels and Mash, and Black pudding - What's that about? ;-) Your countrymen must have been really bored to think that up. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/02 02:40PM This, sadly, fits the observed facts. I'd always hoped for so much more of you Yankees though. -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [42] Real Programmers
Whoa there boys we don't want a miniature revolutionary war, on our beloved struts list, over black pudding and mcdonalds. :-)) Personally, though, i'd eat Mc'e Dees over ur Black Pudding? anyday. But that's becuz i'm a fat uncultured swine of an american. I've always admired the Eruos for their deeper since of culture and identity. God Bless America... oh ya and all those other people too, Brandon Goodin Phase Web and Multimedia P(406)862-2245 F(406)862-0354 http://www.phase.ws -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:21 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Personally I eat neither Jellied Eels or Black Pudding. And it always amuses me when Americans get on their high-horses about food, because what have they ever given the world? McDonalds! Simon -Original Message- From: Julie Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers Simon, All I have to say is: Jellied Eels and Mash, and Black pudding - What's that about? ;-) Your countrymen must have been really bored to think that up. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/02 02:40PM This, sadly, fits the observed facts. I'd always hoped for so much more of you Yankees though. -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Didn't you know that our battle for freedom was merely a battle to obtain the right to sleep in? America has become a land of project managers, you Brits get to be the on-site engineers. ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers How does this explain why you've been late for every decent sized dust-up ever since? And, ask us for help everytime you need some serious whooping done? :-) -Original Message- From: John Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Yeah, I mean all you need to know is that our history started with an historic ass-whooping... ;) - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers American History!? How hard can that be? You don't have enough history to fill a whole book! They give Ph.D's out for that!? ;-) Simon Yet Another British Troublemaker Chappell -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:51 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [42] Real Programmers haha! You know us liberal arts types are the most creative thinkers, you Luddite! -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:42 PM A-ha!!! He admits it, finally...get the torches and pitchforks everyone! ;) -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:16 AM Come to think of it, I've known many engineers (especially EEs) who have learned to program, but no programmer who has learned engineering. Not being a mathematician, engineer nor CPA, I've always relied on the experts to give me the algorithms to implement. Mark (Ph.D. in American history) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [42] Real Programmers
Ball-Park Franks - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I eat neither Jellied Eels or Black Pudding. And it always amuses me when Americans get on their high-horses about food, because what have they ever given the world? McDonalds! Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FRIDAY] [42] Real Programmers
Could you folks use [FRIDAY] instead of [42] so that everyone else doesn't need to edit their mail filters, please? Thank you. -- Martin Cooper -Original Message- From: Dave Derry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [42] Real Programmers Ball-Park Franks - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I eat neither Jellied Eels or Black Pudding. And it always amuses me when Americans get on their high-horses about food, because what have they ever given the world? McDonalds! Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
