Re: [Sugar-devel] State of Sugar?
Hi Charlie, have you looked at Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/)? I've supported two or three open source developers via it over the years and am finding it a low-friction way to do that via exactly the kind of monthly subscriptions/donations that you mention. Cheers, Christoph On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:25 PM C. Cossé wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like to mention that there are probably other people, besides > myself, who would love to develop their ideas for education software, if > only there were some way to get paid. I used to make free education > software back when I had kids and could afford the time. I personally > still have a list of un-implemented ideas for education software which I'd > love to work on, but the factor that makes it possible is missing, ie > money. It wouldn't necessarily be too difficult to modify the Sugar (and > Sugarizer) eco-systems to promote compensation of developers. For example: > someone likes a project and wants to encourage further development by > "putting $500 on it". Or, since that might not happen very often, then > convert into a "subscription" system in which subscription fees are used to > compensate developers, perhaps allowing the subscriber choose which > projects to support. If there are people who want to develop and other > people who want to support such work, then it could be successful. > > Just sayin' :) > > -Charlie Cosse > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 3:47 AM Christoph Derndorfer-Medosch < > christoph.derndor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> a quick thought experiment from another old-timer and long-term lurker >> here: >> >> James, I think one might also turn your assessment on its head: >> >> "The *low number of contributors* to Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, >> and Music Blocks is *due to the focus that we have, and it's unclear*. The >> relatively *small amount of continued contributions* alone will *not >> have any real effect on that*. >> >> Sugar Labs contributors *will arrive and thrive* if there is a *clear >> Sugar Labs focus*." >> >> Just my 2 euro cents, >> Christoph >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM James Cameron wrote: >> >>> I disagree that the focus has shifted or that it should be shifted >>> back to what it was. The state of Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and >>> Music Blocks is due to the contributors we have, and they are too few. >>> No amount of refocusing will have any real effect on that. >>> >>> Sugar Labs will thrive if there are contributors. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:40:58PM +0100, Bastien wrote: >>> > Thanks James. >>> > >>> > So Sugar is maintained by a handful of people but it is not actively >>> > developed anymore. Sugar Labs puts some efforts in maintaining it but >>> > does not really know who is still using it. Sugar Labs also hosts the >>> > Sugarizer project, which is well alive and reaching children at least >>> > in France. >>> > >>> > I hope this does sound approximatively correct. >>> > >>> > Sugar Labs was all about provoking a change in the way we experience >>> > education (learning and teaching) through the development of Sugar, as >>> > a flagship for such a change. This flagship was designed around a few >>> > core principles and powerful ideas that are still alive and relevant >>> > today: namely focus, reflection and collaboration. >>> > >>> > I think we all agree these core principles will survive the software. >>> > >>> > What if Sugar Labs focus was not to promote Sugar (which is dying) but >>> > to help build a network of contributors around these core principles? >>> > >>> > What if we insist on the "Labs" more than on the "Sugar"? >>> > >>> > The Free Software Foundation is saying over and over that children >>> > should use free software. But building free educational software is >>> > something very few people are interested in doing seriously, and the >>> > ones willing to do it by following the aforementioned core principles >>> > may not want to rely on Sugar or Sugarizer. >>> > >>> > How to help these people? >>> > >>> > You know my love for this project and my commitment to helping OLPC >>> > back in the times, Sugar Labs community and Sugarizer today. But I >>> > don't feel the pulse of the Sugar community anymore, and I think t
Re: [Sugar-devel] State of Sugar?
Hi all, a quick thought experiment from another old-timer and long-term lurker here: James, I think one might also turn your assessment on its head: "The *low number of contributors* to Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and Music Blocks is *due to the focus that we have, and it's unclear*. The relatively *small amount of continued contributions* alone will *not have any real effect on that*. Sugar Labs contributors *will arrive and thrive* if there is a *clear Sugar Labs focus*." Just my 2 euro cents, Christoph On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM James Cameron wrote: > I disagree that the focus has shifted or that it should be shifted > back to what it was. The state of Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and > Music Blocks is due to the contributors we have, and they are too few. > No amount of refocusing will have any real effect on that. > > Sugar Labs will thrive if there are contributors. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:40:58PM +0100, Bastien wrote: > > Thanks James. > > > > So Sugar is maintained by a handful of people but it is not actively > > developed anymore. Sugar Labs puts some efforts in maintaining it but > > does not really know who is still using it. Sugar Labs also hosts the > > Sugarizer project, which is well alive and reaching children at least > > in France. > > > > I hope this does sound approximatively correct. > > > > Sugar Labs was all about provoking a change in the way we experience > > education (learning and teaching) through the development of Sugar, as > > a flagship for such a change. This flagship was designed around a few > > core principles and powerful ideas that are still alive and relevant > > today: namely focus, reflection and collaboration. > > > > I think we all agree these core principles will survive the software. > > > > What if Sugar Labs focus was not to promote Sugar (which is dying) but > > to help build a network of contributors around these core principles? > > > > What if we insist on the "Labs" more than on the "Sugar"? > > > > The Free Software Foundation is saying over and over that children > > should use free software. But building free educational software is > > something very few people are interested in doing seriously, and the > > ones willing to do it by following the aforementioned core principles > > may not want to rely on Sugar or Sugarizer. > > > > How to help these people? > > > > You know my love for this project and my commitment to helping OLPC > > back in the times, Sugar Labs community and Sugarizer today. But I > > don't feel the pulse of the Sugar community anymore, and I think that > > may be because the focus is back on the software, rather than on the > > core principles and the people themselves. > > > > Stated otherwise: if Alan K., Seymour P., Cynthia S. and Walter were > > back again in the same room to discuss the future of education, what > > would they propose? Could Sugar Labs host these new ideas? > > > > -- > > Bastien > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) / co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [ www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar-news] Sugar DIgest 2015-05-26
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is with great sadness that write these words: Marco Presenti Gritti, the principal Sugar developer from Red Hat from 2006 to 2008 and one of the founders of Sugar Labs, passed away this past weekend after a long illness. Marco was a brilliant engineer whose work still reverberates throughout the Sugar stack and a warm, personable colleague, father, and husband. We will miss you Marco. Thank you for sharing this sad news which I - and I assume many others here - would have missed otherwise. Reading it made me go back through my e-mail and photo archives and I found this shot from FUDCon Brno in September 2008: [image: Inline image 1] I'll always remember mpg like that: A brilliant and cheerful software engineer amidst like-minded and equally friendly and dedicated software geniuses who built the foundations of Sugar. And +1 to Gonzalo's suggestions of dedicating 0.106 to Marco and his young family! If anyone has his physical address please let me know as I'd love send my condolences to his two Danielas in this time of sadness and mourning. Christoph == Sugar Digest == 2. For those of you who are interested, we hold our GSoC group meetings on Fridays, 11:00 EST (Boston), 14:00 UTC on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting. === Tech Talk === 3. Peter Robinson, Sam Parkinson, Sean Daly, and Iain Brown Douglas have done a great job of revamping the Sugar on a Stick spin site for Fedora. Please see [1]. === Sugar Labs === 4. Please visit our planet [2]. --- [1] http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ [2] http://planet.sugarlabs.org -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Community-news mailing list community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/community-news -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] bye !
Hola Flavio, recien lei tu mensaje de hace dos semanas. Muchas gracias por todo que has hecho con los chico en python_joven y en las comunidad como ceibalJAM dentro y afuera del Uruguay. Estoy convencido que en particular tus muchos años de trabajo con los jovenes estudiantes y programadores tenía resultados muy sustentables cuyos efectos estaran dentro de los chicos para todo su futuro. Gracias y saludos desde Viena, Christoph 2015-02-26 1:56 GMT+01:00 Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com: Hola a todos. Pensé mucho sobre si correspondía enviar un mail a la comunidad sobre este tema o no, ya que probablemente no sea relevante para la mayoría, pero, como se que hay gente que ha seguido de cerca la participación de python_joven y sus integrantes durante estos últimos seis años, me ha parecido importante, al menos informar sobre el estado actual de nuestra mini comunidad. Como informé no hace mucho, teníamos diversos proyectos planteados para desarrollar este año lectivo que inicia la semana próxima, pero por diversos motivos, mi participación dependía del compromiso al que estuvieran dispuestos los chicos del grupo, de modo que planteado el tema, resultó que la mayoría de ellos no estuvieron dispuestos a asumir responsabilidades concretas. Por este motivo, he decidido descontinuar python_joven y tomarme un descanso en todas las actividades comunitarias en las que he participado desde 2008. Haciendo el balance de esta experiencia, debo decir que ha sido maravilloso para mi. Es una experiencia muy gratificante ver la evolución que han tenido estos chicos durante estos años y la que seguramente tendrán en el futuro, espero que mi influencia en ellos haya sido positiva, fuerte y duradera. Lo negativo de la experiencia, sin lugar a dudas ha sido el no poder consolidar el grupo como una comunidad comprometida consigo misma y en objetivos claros y concretos. Obviamente, el fracaso ha sido mio y no culpo a nadie por ello y conviene que aclare someramente este punto. Para mi, enseñar a programar es tan relevante como enseñar cualquier otra cosa. Si quien aprende se apasiona con ello y es feliz dedicando su vida a trabajar en un área determinada, entonces el conocimiento por él adquirido, le ha sido verdaderamente relevante. Pero ocurre que pienso que lo verdaderamente importante en la formación de un adolescente es su personalidad, con todo lo que ello implica. Como todos sabrán, entre los 12 y 23 años aproximadamente se forma nuestra personalidad, es decir, se construye la persona que seremos el resto de nuestra vida. Si verdaderamente se quiere cambiar el mundo, no se necesitan más computadoras ni más programadores, lo que se necesitan son personas distintas. Y en ese marco, las personas que cambien el mundo, deben tener personalidades capaces de aportarle a éste, nuevas cosas. Este siempre fue el foco de python_joven. Con ello he sido intransigente porque el conocimiento es poder y por lo tanto, es muy importante a quien se le entrega. Los jóvenes que han participado de esta aventura, aun forman su personalidad y lo harán durante varios años y espero haber influido positivamente en ellos en este aspecto pero sobre todo haberles aportado el concepto de responsabilidad social sobre el poder que adquieren junto al conocimiento, porque hoy es un juego para ellos, sin embargo, mañana serán capaces de cambiar la vida de otras personas con él. Sin lugar a dudas cometí varios errores, sin embargo no han hecho más que reforzar mis convicciones, de modo que es el momento de tomar distancia. Por si acaso alguien no comprendió bien, no es que esté desconforme con los chicos. Es que seis años juntos no fue suficiente para dar origen a un colectivo capaz de reconocerse a si mismo como tal y por lo tanto, no tiene razón de ser. Bueno, como sea, python_joven ya no existe, en definitiva era eso lo que iba a informar, lo otro podría ser tema de un largo debate para algunos. Un saludo a todos y que tengan un feliz comienzo lectivo. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Google' Jump Start Awards
Thought this might be interesting to some projects here and potentially even SL itself to apply: https://sites.google.com/site/jumpstartawards/home Cheers, Christoph ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Running Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook?
Hola Sebastian, thanks a lot for sharing your experiences, much appreciated. Did you have to jump through any special hoops to make sugar-build run? Cheers, Christoph On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.orgwrote: I have the C720. It's a beauty and really fast. It runs sugar-build on top of Manjaro GNU/Linux (Arch based) quite nicely. The only issue I guess is at boot time the chromebook will warn you that OS verification has been disabled, press something to enable it. If you don't choose to re enable OS verification, it then makes you wait 30 secs, unless you know to press Ctrl-L. Legend says it's possible to flash a new coreboot bios on it but I can't affort the risk to brick it. In retrospect, I might have chosen to get the C720P that doubles the storage and memory and comes with a touchscreen. Regards, Sebastian El vie, 11 de abr 2014 a las 10:00 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com escribió: Hi all, because the question came up over drinks last night and now again at lunch here in Paris I was wondering whether anyone here has tried installing Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook? I've done some research and you can find some good information about installing Arch Linux on a Chromebook as well as some partial information plus scripts for getting Fedora to run on an Acer's Intel-based D720 ( http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295596). Apparently the results are quite good. Anyway, curious to see whether anyone has any experiences beyond what's currently documented on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#Chromebook ? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Running Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook?
Hi all, because the question came up over drinks last night and now again at lunch here in Paris I was wondering whether anyone here has tried installing Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook? I've done some research and you can find some good information about installing Arch Linux on a Chromebook as well as some partial information plus scripts for getting Fedora to run on an Acer's Intel-based D720 ( http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295596). Apparently the results are quite good. Anyway, curious to see whether anyone has any experiences beyond what's currently documented on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#Chromebook ? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook?
Hey tch, cool, please let us know how it goes. I checked ebay today and was close to buying a used Chromebook but a closer look at my bank account convinced me otherwise... Cheers, Christoph On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hola Christoph, Thanks for sharing your research, I am interested in this topic. I got a chromebook but I never seen these articles you showed. I will try one of these and let you know how it goes. Saludos, Tincho. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, because the question came up over drinks last night and now again at lunch here in Paris I was wondering whether anyone here has tried installing Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook? I've done some research and you can find some good information about installing Arch Linux on a Chromebook as well as some partial information plus scripts for getting Fedora to run on an Acer's Intel-based D720 ( http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295596). Apparently the results are quite good. Anyway, curious to see whether anyone has any experiences beyond what's currently documented on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#Chromebook ? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?
Tom, Sam, Martin, Ian, David, thanks a lot for all your input, I'll point the German guy to these resources and ask him to report back his findings. Cheers, Christoph On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:26 AM, David Beveridge bevh...@gmail.com wrote: I have a stick here based on Fedora 20. To get to root I pressed F3 to get to the list menu and clicked on Terminal. Once terminal is running I type su - to be come root and liveinst to start ananconda $ su - # liveinst On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, thanks for the link. Given that this page was last updated back in 2012 I'm wondering whether anyone knows if the instructions are still up-to-date and working? Cheers, Christoph On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Beveridge bevh...@gmail.com wrote: I would try this method.., http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_with_liveinst On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, a guy I know wants to set up a couple of older laptops with Sugar in a sort of learning lab in Germany and asked me what the best route for doing that was. Since I haven't dabbled in that area in quite a while I'm not sure what the best recommendations are these days: * using the SoaS version from late December? * installing Fedora 20 and running Sugar on top of that? * something entirely different? Any comments, suggestions, links, etc. would be much appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?
Hi David, thanks for the link. Given that this page was last updated back in 2012 I'm wondering whether anyone knows if the instructions are still up-to-date and working? Cheers, Christoph On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Beveridge bevh...@gmail.com wrote: I would try this method.., http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_with_liveinst On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, a guy I know wants to set up a couple of older laptops with Sugar in a sort of learning lab in Germany and asked me what the best route for doing that was. Since I haven't dabbled in that area in quite a while I'm not sure what the best recommendations are these days: * using the SoaS version from late December? * installing Fedora 20 and running Sugar on top of that? * something entirely different? Any comments, suggestions, links, etc. would be much appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?
Hey everyone, a guy I know wants to set up a couple of older laptops with Sugar in a sort of learning lab in Germany and asked me what the best route for doing that was. Since I haven't dabbled in that area in quite a while I'm not sure what the best recommendations are these days: * using the SoaS version from late December? * installing Fedora 20 and running Sugar on top of that? * something entirely different? Any comments, suggestions, links, etc. would be much appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar 0.99.1 (unstable)
Exciting stuff! Danke, thanks for a job well done. :-) Cheers, Christoph On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Daniel! Well done!! On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: This release represents a significant achievement, both in terms of quantity of new features, but also in terms of quality of process. Thanks Daniel for leading the effort. -walter On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, this is the first feature frozen release. We landed all the features that we initially planned and a few more. Thanks to everyone involved! Highlights: * Multi selection in the journal * Service providers selection in the modem configuration * Previews in the object chooser * Multiple home views * Microformat activity updater * Automatic activity updates Sources: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.99.3.tar.xz -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yet another project to port Sugar to Android ?
Hi Andrews, thanks a lot for the explanations, much appreciated! :-) Cheers, Christoph On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Andrew McMillan and...@morphoss.comwrote: On Sun, 2013-06-30 at 16:28 +0200, lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi all, In a recent blog post on the OLPC association web site [1], I read that there is a new (at least for me) project to port Sugar to Android. Specifically, the post mentioned that the work is done by Morphoss [2], a New Zealand company and that it allow to use Sugar on the XO tablet. As is so often the case, the people who make the announcements do so without any pre-release testing on technical people :-) I've been responsible for the development of the XO Learning UI to date and it is our intention to include a Sugar service of some kind with that as soon as practicable. We plan to follow the Sugar on HTML design as closely as we can, with Simon Manuel continuing to be involved in the work. I wonder if anyone on this list know this work and in which way it could be linked with the current work on HTML5 Sugar Framework? I expect our development at OLPC to implement that framework. Of course it’s clear for me that it’s better to work together on the same project instead of working on two different projects to do the same thing ! Absolutely! Personally I still need to properly understand at what stage the specification is, and how much work will it take to get it over the line. I understand there is already an implementation for GTK in progress, and I hope we can get an Android implementation done alongside that as soon as possible. I hope this helps clarify things for everyone. Regards, Andrew McMillan. -- andrew (AT) morphoss (DOT) com +64 (2) 7233 2426 Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery. -- Jack Paar ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yet another project to port Sugar to Android ?
I'm confused. To the best of my knowledge Sugar doesn't run on Android (yet?) and the focus of the HTML 5 work was to enable Activities written in HTML 5 to run on Sugar (and not to port Sugar to run on an HTML platform such as a browser). So we really only have Sugar on Linux. Or am I missing something? Thanks, Christoph On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.orgwrote: Although I cannot comment officially, my understanding is that these really are not that separate. What you have at the moment are a few things called Sugar: - Sugar on Linux - Sugar on Android (sometimes including the Dreams UI for the XO Learning environment) - Sugar on HTML5 (an overlay that fits over both) Historically Sugar on Android was considered equivalent to Sugar on HTML5, with different groups preferring different terms. This may still be the case. Sugar Labs as an organization probably should officially decide what should be called part of Sugar, and what they do not wish to be included in its definition. On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM, lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi all, ** ** In a recent blog post on the OLPC association web site [1], I read that there is a new (at least for me) project to port Sugar to Android. Specifically, the post mentioned that the work is done by Morphoss [2], a New Zealand company and that it allow to use Sugar on the XO tablet. ** ** I wonder if anyone on this list know this work and in which way it could be linked with the current work on HTML5 Sugar Framework? ** ** Of course it’s clear for me that it’s better to work together on the same project instead of working on two different projects to do the same thing ! ** ** Tell me what you think. ** ** Lionel. ** ** [1] http://blog.laptop.org/2013/06/28/olpc-welcomes-new-members/ [2] http://www.morphoss.com/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] XSCE Update
Thanks for the update, keep up the great work! Cheers, Christoph On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: Time for the second installment to the XSCE Update. - Deployments- 1. Bhagmalpur, India - http://bhagmalpur.wordpress.com/ . The update to XSCE is complete in Bhagmalpur. It will be interesting to see what Sameer concluded based on the statistics generation system. -- Thanks Sameer and Anish 2. Haiti - http://haitidreams.wordpress.com/ . Haiti was the first 'real world test' for XSCE started a couple of months ago. Many of the ideas for XSCE come from George's and Adam's experiences maintaining the deployment. -- Thanks George and Adam 3. OLPC Australia - https://www.laptop.org.au/ . Much of the planning for XSCE comes from the experience of Jerry, the lead developer of OLPC AU. Jerry lives in Canada while maintaining a 5000 unit deployment which is is the process of expanding to 50,000 XO4s. -- Thanks Jerry 4. Solomon Islands - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Solomon_Islands . Working with David has been a great help to the project. For the past couple of weeks, David has been asking a series of questions about testing and deploying XSCE in the Solomon Islands. Many of the questions involve working in a low bandwidth environment. We hope we learn from his questions and can create something which meets his needs. -- Thanks David 5. Dominican Republic - http://olpcdr.wordpress.com/ . Last week Ruben, from OLPC-A, joined the #schoolserver mailing list to ask some questions about deploying XSCE in the Dominican Republic. I hope this is a sign of growing cooperation between OLPC-A and XSCE. -- Thanks Ruben -Development - Santiago started using our new gIt workflow as documented at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Holt/XS_Community_Edition/0.4/Hacking . We hope the recent modularization and the new workflow will make it easier for deployment to upstream their hard work with needing to understand the entire system. If you are interested in tracking progress please see https://sugardextrose.org/projects/xsce/repository . -- Thanks Santi, Tim, George - What does the SchoolServer Serve? :) - For a general overview of the School Server please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Holt/XS_Community_Edition . More specifically, a number of existing projects are working with XSCE to provide their content. XSCE's plug in design allow these projects to easily prepare their project for inclusion in XSCE 1. Internet in a Box - http://internet-in-a-box.org/ . It looks like IIAB will ship as an add on with 0.4 in Sept. -- Thanks Braddock 2. Pathagar. - https://github.com/PathagarBooks/pathagar . Pathagar is a simple book server for making custom libraries available to deployments. Pathagar is interesting because it allow curators to use widely available, cross platform tools such as http://calibre-ebook.com/ to maintain those libraries. -- Thanks Seth As always, please help us met your deployment or project's needs. -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] ETA for final 13.1.0 release?
Hey Daniel and all, I was wondering whether you have an ETA for the final 13.1.0 release? The reason why I'm asking is that I'm heading to Zambia on Saturday evening to give a repair and maintenance workshop at the Lubuto Library Project which Mike has been supporting for a while. Since I'd like to get all their XOs up to 13.1.0 in preparation of Mike's education workshop later in February and local Internet connectivity will likely be limited it would be great if I could bring along the images for XO-1/1.5/1.75 on a USB drive. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Stepping down as Sugar maintainer
Hi Sascha, thanks a lot for all your contributions and the extensive feedback (both in patch reviews and during discussions on the list or during events) which you have provided to this community in the past few years. Good luck in all your ongoing and future projects! Cheers, Christoph On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Sascha, On 6 Jan 2013, at 20:19, Sascha Silbe si...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello everyone, I am stepping down as maintainer for Sugar and some related services. This is mostly due to lack of time, but even if I had more of that to spare for Sugar, the way I work is sufficiently different from that of the most active contributors that I'd do more harm than good. For some time now, my business didn't have any Sugar-related contract, so as an entrepreneur I can't afford investing time, effort or money into Sugar. My spare time is pretty limited these days and I tend to spend what's left of it on reflecting, relaxing and some minor non-Sugar projects, so even as a volunteer I can't spend much on Sugar. However, I will continue using an XO as my primary laptop, so I may contribute to some of the lower-level parts of the stack (powerd, kernel, etc.) from time to time. I'll also continue working on some data store stuff (gdatastore, datastore-fuse, etc.), but strictly outside of Sugar as I wouldn't be able to hold your pace. It's been exciting times working with you and I've learned a lot. But now it's time to move on and let younger folks take over. That seems to have worked fine the past few months; hopefully it'll work out in the long run as well. This side of the ocean, my current customers have come to appreciate the way I work. And taking Sundays off for relaxing and reflecting, I'm much more at ease. So everyone is better off now. So long and thanks for all the fish, Just wanted to say many thanks for all your efforts ant contributions over the years, and especially for your thorough and detailed patch reviews! I know I picked up many hints and insights reading through them along the way. Best of success for your future projects and please do keep in contact from time to time! Best Regards, --Gary Sascha ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] NPR story on OLPC in Peru
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/13/12, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Alexandro, I think you are grossly underestimating the connectivity problem in Peru. Yes maybe, but I understand most educational systems dont have enough budget to acquire connectivity so getting connectivity from other sources like public buildings, libraries, will allow other resource to come through without needing to be funded by the educational budget. Now if we are talking about, the whole town not having ways on connecting, then the next option would be looking for alternative sources, in Mexico they used Satelite modems. http://www.scribd.com/doc/10324524/Capacitacion-Para-Maestros-Uso-Del-Aula-Enciclomedia#page=15 But other mediums like DSL modems attached to a wifi router will be able to get some basic Internet for HTML/images, IRC, etc. The big question is about the level of connectivity for copper phone lines. It seems that a fair number of offline requirements will be served by the XS school server, but I don't see that show up in any of the conversations. Does any location in Peru use any version of the XS? (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/School_server) I'm not aware of any schools having school servers, at least they didn't have them when I was there in 2010. The next best thing were USB drives with some collections of offline materials compiled by DIGETE but as far as I can tell only a certain percentage of teachers ever received theirs. Cheers, Christoph cheers, Sameer regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] NPR story on OLPC in Peru
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to share that we have faced the same criticisms in our school regarding the XOs. For the last four years, the teachers and students have complained that the devices do not connect well or reliably to our wireless network. Obviously, in our case, we have a wireless network and essentially continuous access to the internet. But, what I have had to fight against is that this is the most basic use of any computing device. The only way I have been able to stem this tide is to come up with projects and programs that made use of the XOs as standalone or mesh networked devices. For example, we have done a lot with Memorize and Etoys and Scratch (and beginning to work with TurtleBlocks). I have found that once the students and teachers are involved with these activities, the internet stuff goes away. But the bigger point that is missed in the story, and the broader conversation, is that the XOs and Sugar tap into non-traditional methods of teaching and learning. When this invisible line is crossed, real magic happens. It is the conversations which illuminate this invisible line that is tough. Gerald, please don't forget that very few of the teachers in Peru have the affordances available to you when you worked against that tide and helped your pupils reach that invisible line. You have received countless years of professional training, have ready access to the world's and the community's accumulated knowledge about using XOs and Sugar (thanks to the Internet), deal with student bodies who generally don't go hungry, have a pyhsic and social infrastructure that's available at very few Peruvian schools, etc. In short, I believe in the importance of crossing that invisible line and I have been lucky enough to see some glimpses of that happening in the past few years. However a significant number of pupils and teachers in Peru are miles and miles away from that line and will need other ways of support to even get them close to it. I also think it's odd to see how the role of the Internet and the connectivity it enables between people is apparently deemphasized in this conversation. I remember a time where Connectivity was one of the 5 principles of OLPC, and for good reasons I dare say. Due to the limitations of the Mesh network (and similarly so the newer ad-hoc networking options) and the lack of infrastructure components such as access points most pupils and teachers in Peru barely have access to local connectivity and all the affordances (incl. Sugar's collaboration features) and value it provides. No one is discounting the dire state of connectivity in Peru and as CJL pointed out, there are people activitly trying to do something about it, not just talk about it. Point taken. Also I believe that people here will simply have to get used to bad news (whether fully justified or not) coming out of Peru. The project there still has potential but unless a lot of additional resources and brain power are invested into its overall value proposition and usefulness will always remain questionable at best. I think you are projecting your own agenda on this discussion. And you're not? ;-) Again, no one is burying their head in the sand re short-comings, but at least some of us believe that lack of Internet access does not mean lack of opportunity to learn. I'm not saying that a lack of Internet access equals a lack of learning opportunities (and I agree with your fundamental criticism of the NPR article there). At the same time there's no doubt that what is already an *extremely* challenging thing to do under the best of circumstances (getting across that line) is made even harder without Internet connectivity or offline substitutes such as school servers. Cheers, Christoph regards. -walter Cheers, Christoph Just my two cents. Gerald On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/13/12, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Alexandro, I think you are grossly underestimating the connectivity problem in Peru. Yes maybe, but I understand most educational systems dont have enough budget to acquire connectivity so getting connectivity from other sources like public buildings, libraries, will allow other resource to come through without needing to be funded by the educational budget. Now if we are talking about, the whole town not having ways
Re: [Sugar-devel] NPR story on OLPC in Peru
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to share that we have faced the same criticisms in our school regarding the XOs. For the last four years, the teachers and students have complained that the devices do not connect well or reliably to our wireless network. Obviously, in our case, we have a wireless network and essentially continuous access to the internet. But, what I have had to fight against is that this is the most basic use of any computing device. The only way I have been able to stem this tide is to come up with projects and programs that made use of the XOs as standalone or mesh networked devices. For example, we have done a lot with Memorize and Etoys and Scratch (and beginning to work with TurtleBlocks). I have found that once the students and teachers are involved with these activities, the internet stuff goes away. But the bigger point that is missed in the story, and the broader conversation, is that the XOs and Sugar tap into non-traditional methods of teaching and learning. When this invisible line is crossed, real magic happens. It is the conversations which illuminate this invisible line that is tough. Gerald, please don't forget that very few of the teachers in Peru have the affordances available to you when you worked against that tide and helped your pupils reach that invisible line. You have received countless years of professional training, have ready access to the world's and the community's accumulated knowledge about using XOs and Sugar (thanks to the Internet), deal with student bodies who generally don't go hungry, have a pyhsic and social infrastructure that's available at very few Peruvian schools, etc. In short, I believe in the importance of crossing that invisible line and I have been lucky enough to see some glimpses of that happening in the past few years. However a significant number of pupils and teachers in Peru are miles and miles away from that line and will need other ways of support to even get them close to it. I also think it's odd to see how the role of the Internet and the connectivity it enables between people is apparently deemphasized in this conversation. I remember a time where Connectivity was one of the 5 principles of OLPC, and for good reasons I dare say. Due to the limitations of the Mesh network (and similarly so the newer ad-hoc networking options) and the lack of infrastructure components such as access points most pupils and teachers in Peru barely have access to local connectivity and all the affordances (incl. Sugar's collaboration features) and value it provides. No one is discounting the dire state of connectivity in Peru and as CJL pointed out, there are people activitly trying to do something about it, not just talk about it. Point taken. Also I believe that people here will simply have to get used to bad news (whether fully justified or not) coming out of Peru. The project there still has potential but unless a lot of additional resources and brain power are invested into its overall value proposition and usefulness will always remain questionable at best. I think you are projecting your own agenda on this discussion. And you're not? ;-) Actually, not. I am stating my opinion, not putting words in the mouths of others. There is a difference. If that's how your perceived my previous message then I apologize, that was not my intention. Again, no one is burying their head in the sand re short-comings, but at least some of us believe that lack of Internet access does not mean lack of opportunity to learn. I'm not saying that a lack of Internet access equals a lack of learning opportunities (and I agree with your fundamental criticism of the NPR article there). At the same time there's no doubt that what is already an *extremely* challenging thing to do under the best of circumstances (getting across that line) is made even harder without Internet connectivity or offline substitutes such as school servers. Agreed. But perhaps for different reasons. I think the value of the Internet to the project is much more about building a community of practice and support than accessing learning materials. The Amazonas page in Facebook is a case in point. To me the experiences, good practices, lesson plans, etc. documented by teachers
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] ANNOUNCE: Sugar on a Stick 7 (Quandong)
Hi Peter, thanks a lot for the heads-up and your continued great work! I can't wait to give Quandong a spin later today. Cheers, Christoph On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to announce Sugar on a Stick 7 (Quandong) There's been a lot of work go into this release from a lot of communities from Fedora and all the Fedora 17 features that give us new and exciting hardware support to the Sugar Labs community and all the new features that come with the Sugar 0.96 release on which SoaS v7 is based. Thanks go to all the people that have contributed to this release including Kalpa and Thomas who helped directly with SoaS, the Sugar development team and other Sugar developers. A lot of work has been done to ensure we can get working core Activities like Read and Browse and what should a good working base for deployments to test and add to. Some of the key new features of this release include: - Based on Fedora 17 and it's new features [1] - Massively improved x86 Mac support [2] - Sugar 0.96 with initial support for GTK3 Activities and many other improvements [3] - Return of Browse, now based on WebKit - The long awaited return of Read and inclusion of GetBooks - Enhanced hardware support with the 3.3 kernel - An increase in default Activities by nearly 50% Almost all of the previous Activities have seen updated releases including but not limited to: - Abacus 35 (GTK3) - Record 95 - Physics 9 - TurtleArt 138 Newly added Activities include: - Browse 137 (GTK3) - Countries 33 - Finance 7 - GetBooks 11 - Help 14 (GTK3) - Infoslicer 14 - Labyrinth 12 - Paint 43 - Portfolio 21 - Read 99 (GTK3) There are many more Activities available through the usual Fedora repositories. The release name, Quandong, continues the tradition of naming releases by types of fruit. The Quandong [4] or Native Peach is a native Australian bushfood. You can download the release from the following link. http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/ It can also be installed as part of a standard Fedora 17 install and is shipped as part of the official Fedora installer DVD and the Fedora Multi Spin Live DVD. It can also be installed from the GUI package tool within a running Fedora install or by command line sudo yum install @sugar-desktop. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/FeatureList [2] http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Notes [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santalum_acuminatum ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] MP4 playback on XO-1.75?
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Tom Parker t...@carrott.org wrote: On 02/04/12 10:34, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: To make a long story short: Is there a way to watch MP4 videos on an XO-1.75 at this point in time? :-) The Marvel SOC has hardware accelerated decoding and encoding to the point it can play high definition video. See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/** 11686 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11686 for enabling this hardware. The Raspberry PI and the cubox both have similar hardware. Look to those projects for hints about where to get the software codecs compiled for ARM. My feeling is the processor will struggle decoding even moderate resolution h.264 without the hardware acceleration. A friend is looking at getting the hardware acceleration stuff working on the XO, it is apparently complicated because the kernel for which Marvel released their drivers is quite different to that in 11.3.1. I'll catch up with him tomorrow and see what progress he has made on the 12.1.0 kernel. Tom, thanks a lot for your reply and all the information. Please do keep me/us in the loop about the findings you and your friend make as I'm sure many other people here are also interested in this work. :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] MP4 playback on XO-1.75?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 12:34:26AM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, I just tried playing back the downloaded version of the recent littleBits TED talk ( http://www.ted.com/talks/ ayah_bdeir_building_blocks_that_blink_beep_and_teach.html ) on an XO-1.75 but couldn't get it to work regardless of what I tried. In the past I always used the mplayer version that came with Flavio's JAMedia Activity to watch videos on XOs but that doesn't seem to work. Under Gnome the Movie Player asks for additional codecs but upon trying to install them there's a long error message which I think is trying to tell me that the necessary codecs aren't available for the ARM architecture. To make a long story short: Is there a way to watch MP4 videos on an XO-1.75 at this point in time? :-) I dont have an 175 but I'd hazard a guess at first transcoding to ogg theora? there are IIRC online media converting sites. Hi Kevin, yeah, I had thought of going that route but it would be quite a hassle compared to simply being able to play back the video... :-/ Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] MP4 playback on XO-1.75?
Hi all, I just tried playing back the downloaded version of the recent littleBits TED talk ( http://www.ted.com/talks/ayah_bdeir_building_blocks_that_blink_beep_and_teach.html ) on an XO-1.75 but couldn't get it to work regardless of what I tried. In the past I always used the mplayer version that came with Flavio's JAMedia Activity to watch videos on XOs but that doesn't seem to work. Under Gnome the Movie Player asks for additional codecs but upon trying to install them there's a long error message which I think is trying to tell me that the necessary codecs aren't available for the ARM architecture. To make a long story short: Is there a way to watch MP4 videos on an XO-1.75 at this point in time? :-) Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Paste doesn't seem to work in Browse's address bar
Hi all, unless I'm doing something very wrong it seems like paste (as in copy-paste) doesn't work in Browse's address bar. I'm running Browse 129.1 on an XO-1.75 with os30 and what I'm trying to do is simply to paste a URL into the address bar. Quickly going through trac it seems like similar issues have been reported in combination with Browse (e.g. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8389, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7337, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6217) but since these are very old issues I'm not sure how relevant they're to what I'm seeing. Any thoughts? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Record with camera and microphone input on VirtualBox / VMWare
(forwarding this message on Mark's behalf) --- Thanks to everyone for your help and suggestions, and to Christoph for posting the initial request for help. The idea here is to establish two levels /Protocols of screencast ability for the making of video tutorials: 1) A Mac/PC based system using SoaS that would allow us to produce professional level videos with all the bells and whistles. 2) An XO based workflow using Sugar's own Screencast activity The concept would be to produce a few, high quality exemplars that could be easily reproduced by folks anywhere with a Mac/PC, and to inspire local XO-based tutorials that can be produced by kids and for kids. There are already some great exemplars of that at archive.org where elementary school kids have made their own Scratch tutorials in ogg. Like many of you, my test with VB got the green light on the cam, but a black screen, but on VB the audio worked. On Parallels, we got the still cam working, but no video and no audio. I haven't tried VMware yet. VB would be best cause it is free, and I think the various suggestions that we try an external USB mic and cam, adding them as devices, might be the answer. My one complicating factor might be...could the Rode Podcaster USB mic we use to narrate the tutorials also be used simultaneously in Record to bring in the audio. We are going to test the USB devices with USB passthrough idea this weekend, and I will start testing Sugar's Screencast more rigorously. I have had success on a 1.5 at low and medium quality, but the high quality versions have been choking for me. I want to see what quality I can get, and how long the screencast can be, optimally. Thanks for all your help. We are just trying to pioneer a system that will be duplicable and scaleable...and affordable. If we figure it out, that will be the first screencast we make! MRB Mark Roy Battley www.ntugigroup.org 1-647-219-5669 Canada (+254) 724 497 894 Kenya --- On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: On 03/01/2012 11:22 AM, Gary Martin wrote: On 1 Mar 2012, at 15:31, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Caryl Bigenhocbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi SoaS folks... plus Greg! If you do find a way to do this it would be wonderful. But, it will have to be easy to explain to parents, teachers, and kids. They are our target audience (right?). I'll forward a copy of this to Greg Dreshler up at UCSB. He was one of my booth volunteers from SCaLE 10X and is very knowledgable about how to use Parallels. Maybe he will have some ideas too. If you guys can figure this out and show me how, I will write the documentation to make it easy for our target audience to do. I think USB devices with USB passthrough might be the easiest to do on all various different virt platforms. I believe all of them support USB passthrough and on the SoaS side we shouldn't need anything special in particular as it should just see a new USB device. Just tested on VirtualBox 4.1.8 for OSX on a MacBookPro i7 in GNOME 3.3.5 with cheese Defined the USB camera for pass though: Apple Inc.Facetime HD Camera (Built in) (0516) I got a green light on camera but no image. Yes, when I last tested on my Mac (last late year) the camera device was passed through to the VM, but back then Fedora did not recognise the hardware correctly, the Mac hw camera led would light up when in 'use' but otherwise just a black image. Sorry I haven't tested a more recent build. Regards, --Gary Peter __**_ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.**org Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/**listinfo/sugar-develhttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel __**_ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/**listinfo/soashttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas __**_ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/**listinfo/soashttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Record with camera and microphone input on VirtualBox / VMWare
Hi all, I was talking to Mark (in CC) yesterday and he has been working with SoaS in VirtualBox and Parallels and VMware, trying to get all the features of the Record Activity working in conjunction with the host computer's microphone and camera inputs. He wants to be able to use SoaS on a Mac to record screencasts of Activities such as FotoToon and Memorize being used in combination with Record (both audio and camera) I now spent some time trying to get this to work on VirtualBox but didn't find a solution. Is there some reason why this might not work at all or are we simply missing something here? Any help, links, suggestions, etc. would be much appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Backup / Restore Activities: some impressions
Hi Sascha, I had previously mentioned looking at the combination of your Backup (v5) and Restore (v4) Activities in order to facilitate the upgrades of the XOs at the Austrian pilot project. While time constraints unfortunately kept me from going ahead with the OS upgrades of all the children's XOs I did spend quite a lot of time experimenting with the two Activities and using them to pull Journal backups of the XOs for usage analysis, doing upgrades between builds 767 and 883, etc. In general the only real problem I ran into was on a machine whose name contained a ß which resulted in a slightly confusing error message telling me that the backup couldn't be created. One other issue which I found is that the Restore Activity seems to copy over the Journal backup from external media such as a USB drive to the internal flash memory before actually going ahead with the restore. This led to situations where I wasn't able to restore a 205MB backup on a machine which had 350MB of free disk space (after installing build 883) because I would have needed at least 410MB of free space. One possible enhancement that I can think of is adding a list of the installed Activities into a separate text file within the backup (which I now did manually). Aside from being useful for analysis purposes (which Activities did the users install independently vs. what the teacher had recommended, etc.) it would also help speed up the restore process by documenting which Activities the users had previously installed (and will likely need to be able to run the prior Journal entries). Otherwise the Activities seemed to work really well in the scenarios I tested such as going from builds 767 to 883 and carrying over several hundred Journal entries. Thanks for the great work! :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Looking for a Spanish speaking colleague
Hola a todos, Peter (en copia) esta buscando para gente que le puede ayudar en añadir español a sus actividades. :-) Peter, similarly I'm CC'ing the olpc-sur and olpc-Uruguay lists as people there might also be able to help you. :-) Cheers, Christoph Am 24.01.2012 13:24 schrieb Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com: Peter, I am passing your request on to the L10n list as well as that is where the translators (and, of course, other cool people) hang out. I am always happy to hear that developers are thinking of i18n issues. cjl Sugar Labs translation Team Coordinator On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Peter Hewitt p...@mulawa.net wrote: I'm looking for a Spanish speaker to work with me on my activities - maybe someone on this list can introduce me to someone who has the time and interest to assist. Here's a link to all my activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/user/2246 To give you some idea of what I hope to do - here's a list: * Finish Countries ES - this will require checking the Capital Cities, checking the button labels, editing my Spanish Sugar Labs notes, playing the game enough to make sure it all works as expected. Here's a picture: http://mulawa.net/olpc/journal/images/countries_esp1.png * Check new Spanish versions of my word games - Letters and Across Down. * Most of my activities don't use any text so are truly international BUT I would like to produce Spanish versions of my Sugar Labs notes. * Maybe investigate producing Spanish versions of my tutorials - especially the Web Tute that I'm working on at the moment - this is a very exciting project because it involves making one XO into a Web Server which can be browsed by other XOs. Note that there are 39 activities so far and I don't plan to slow down :o) Thanks ... Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Localization mailing list localizat...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.comwrote:
Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of 2012-01-13 19:56:51 +0100:
(a) Have the pupils copy relevant files they want to keep to USB drives
via
the Journal or the Sugar commander Activity
(b) Ask them to favorite things they want to keep in the Journal and then
run a script that copies all of these entries to a USB drive or possibly
even a network share
Given that you're still running Sugar 0.82, one of these is probably the
best option (in addition to doing a full backup, as explained in my
previous mail).
Whether the data file is usable outside of Sugar (i.e. in a standard
format) depends on each activity.
Writing a script that dumps all data files of starred entries is pretty
straightforward if you borrow some functions from jarabe.journal.model
(= GPLv2+). You _will_ loose the metadata (description, tags, etc.) in
any case: Even when using the UI to write the files, the metadata isn't
in a format recognised by any other system.
The script would look something like this:
=== snip ===
#!/usr/bin/env python
# License: GPL version 3
import os
import shutil
from sugar import mime
from sugar.datastore import datastore
[copy get_file_name() and get_unique_file_name() from
src/jarabe/journal/model.py]
mount_point = '/media/CHERRY_TREE'
for entry in datastore.find({'keep': '1'})[0]:
title = entry.metadata.get('title') or 'Untitled'
mime_type = entry.metadata.get('mime_type')
target_name = get_unique_file_name(mount_point,
get_file_name(title, mime_type))
target_path = os.path.join(mount_point, target_name)
shutil.copyfile(entry.file_path, target_path)
entry.destroy()
=== snip ===
Untested on Sugar 0.82. Backup/Restore access the data store directly
via D-Bus rather than through sugar.datastore.datastore, so I don't know
if the API changed in subtle ways; a quick check confirmed that all of
the functions imported (not copied) above were available in Sugar
0.82.0.
Thanks for the additional information and explanations, this is very
helpful indeed! :-)
Christoph
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.comwrote: Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of 2012-01-13 20:29:34 +0100: [Backup activity] Make a backup of the Journal entries... The process is make an .tar.gz of all entries and save in a folder into an usb: /backup/SN## (SN#... is the serial of the XO) Slight correction: JEBs ([1], the same format the XS uses) are zip files, not tar.gz files. The file name includes the user name (as used in Sugar), so it should be easy to figure out who each backup belongs to. That point about the file name including the user name is good to know. :-) PD: in ourt Uruguayan image.. Dextrosa.. The backup/restore are functions that appears in the Journal.. I think that is the same script that this activities had.. Nop, the format used by the Dextrose backup / restore feature is completely different. It tars up the on-disk data structures of sugar-datastore and dumps them to the same place, removing a special file to trigger reindexing. This happens to work for current versions of sugar-datastore, but is a bad idea in general. It wouldn't have worked with sugar-datastore 0.84 and doesn't work with gdatastore [2]. thanks for your suggestion. I had looked into the Backup Activity but according to the description on ASLO it only works with the data store from Sugar 0.84 onwards and these machines are still running on build 767 which shipped with Sugar 0.82 (though I hope to *finally* upgrade them to 11.3.0 next month). I found and fixed the source of your confusion. Seems I forgot to update the description after adding support for 0.82; sorry for that. While I have been rigorous in testing Backup and Restore with all combinations of a range of Sugar versions from 0.82 to 0.89 (0.90), the oldest OLPC OS build I have running is 801, so I'd recommend testing Backup with OLPC OS build 767 first before relying on it. If you do test it on 767, please let me know the results so I can mention them on a.sl.o. This is excellent information. I'll definitely keep you posted with my findings once I have some time to test things in late January / early April. :-) Doing a full backup is a good idea regardless of any cherry-picking you do. It allows you to go back and extract additional objects that you (or the kids) forgot during the first run. Yeah, good point! Thanks, Christoph Sascha [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_entry_bundles [2] https://git.sugarlabs.org/gdatastore -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
Hey Martin,
thanks a lot for the information and apologies for the slow reply.
Back in June 2009 David Van Assche and me set up a server but IIRC we ended
up installing ejabberd on Ubuntu since we can into some driver issue with
the XS at the time. (/me is full of regrets right about now...)
As such it looks like this isn't an option for us. Either way I think that
a set of instructions for that route would be interesting for a lot of
people, also in relation to some of the efforts related to usage / Journal
analysis and whatnot happening in various projects.
Also, does anyone know how Uruguay and Peru handle pupils finishing primary
school and wanting to have access to their data?
Thanks,
Christoph
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com
wrote:
If there is an XS, and they register, then their work will be backed up
automagically, and accessible through Moodle.
If they lose access to the laptop (ie: laptop's given to someone else),
that can be handled with a simple procedure on Moodle -- something an admin
can do.
If that's an option, I can write up the Moodle procedure in detail.
hth,
m
{ Martin Langhoff - one laptop per child }
On Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I just spoke to the teacher of our small Austrian pilot project and we
realized that we'll have to find a way to get Journal entries off the
pupils' XOs as they'll finish primary school in late June.
They won't have access to the XOs beyond that date and while SoaS is
always a possibility I doubt that many of them will continue using Sugar
afterwards. As such I'm wondering how we can - or can enable the pupils
themselves - to save their work and memories in a way that allows them to
use them from a standard Windows, Linux, or OS X computer in the future.
I assume other projects have run into similar situations in the past so I
wanted to see what solutions have been used here?
Off the top of my head I came up with:
(a) Have the pupils copy relevant files they want to keep to USB drives
via the Journal or the Sugar commander Activity
(b) Ask them to favorite things they want to keep in the Journal and then
run a script that copies all of these entries to a USB drive or possibly
even a network share
Has anyone tried these approaches or am I thinking too complicated here?
e.g. would it also be possible to simply backup all the Journal to USB
drives or a network share and then give each pupil a copy of their backup?
Would they be able to extract files into standard formats?
Any pointers, help, comments, etc. here would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Christoph
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[Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
Hi all, I just spoke to the teacher of our small Austrian pilot project and we realized that we'll have to find a way to get Journal entries off the pupils' XOs as they'll finish primary school in late June. They won't have access to the XOs beyond that date and while SoaS is always a possibility I doubt that many of them will continue using Sugar afterwards. As such I'm wondering how we can - or can enable the pupils themselves - to save their work and memories in a way that allows them to use them from a standard Windows, Linux, or OS X computer in the future. I assume other projects have run into similar situations in the past so I wanted to see what solutions have been used here? Off the top of my head I came up with: (a) Have the pupils copy relevant files they want to keep to USB drives via the Journal or the Sugar commander Activity (b) Ask them to favorite things they want to keep in the Journal and then run a script that copies all of these entries to a USB drive or possibly even a network share Has anyone tried these approaches or am I thinking too complicated here? e.g. would it also be possible to simply backup all the Journal to USB drives or a network share and then give each pupil a copy of their backup? Would they be able to extract files into standard formats? Any pointers, help, comments, etc. here would be much appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Journal entries off an XO at the end of a project?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: would it also be possible to simply backup all the Journal to USB drives or a network share and then give each pupil a copy of their backup? Would they be able to extract files into standard formats? Hi, This activity: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4326 Make a backup of the Journal entries... The process is make an .tar.gz of all entries and save in a folder into an usb: /backup/SN## (SN#... is the serial of the XO) With this, you can make some backups in the same pendrive... The twin activity: Restore: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4327 Decompress the .tar.gz into the journal again... If you decompress the .tar.gz the files are in the format of the journal.. With luck, you find the file that you search and change the extension and you get the file.. Regards! Alan PD: in ourt Uruguayan image.. Dextrosa.. The backup/restore are functions that appears in the Journal.. I think that is the same script that this activities had.. Hi Alan, thanks for your suggestion. I had looked into the Backup Activity but according to the description on ASLO it only works with the data store from Sugar 0.84 onwards and these machines are still running on build 767 which shipped with Sugar 0.82 (though I hope to *finally* upgrade them to 11.3.0 next month). Plus the With luck, you find the file that you search and change the extension and you get the file.. portion of your mail makes me think that this isn't something that the pupils can do themselves. And manually going through ~25 Journal backups myself sounds like very little fun to me... :-/ Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] scratch on aslo
Hi SJ, IIRC correctly there is some issue with license incompatibility and therefore Scratch was removed from ASLO. I think this was discussed on the lists at some point during the summer but I'm on my mobile phone so unfortunately wasn't able to quickly pull up the corresponding thread. Cheers, Christoph On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Scratch doesn't seem to be on ASLO. On the other hand, when I sign in and try to upload it, I am told the file is already in the system. Can someone link me to it? It is ***really hard*** to find the link to upload an activity. Can this be added in a few more places? If you don't think to hover over nav elements I don't think there is any other way to discover it. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit It is unclear how to submit someone else's activity for inclusion. There are some popular activities not in aslo, particularly spanish-language ones (cf. xojuegos.com); this would be a nice feature, even if the resulting work gets an unverified copyright stamp. SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] scratch on aslo
Okay, these seem to be two of the core messages which explain the background: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-June/013395.html http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-June/013402.html Christoph On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SJ, IIRC correctly there is some issue with license incompatibility and therefore Scratch was removed from ASLO. I think this was discussed on the lists at some point during the summer but I'm on my mobile phone so unfortunately wasn't able to quickly pull up the corresponding thread. Cheers, Christoph On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Scratch doesn't seem to be on ASLO. On the other hand, when I sign in and try to upload it, I am told the file is already in the system. Can someone link me to it? It is ***really hard*** to find the link to upload an activity. Can this be added in a few more places? If you don't think to hover over nav elements I don't think there is any other way to discover it. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit It is unclear how to submit someone else's activity for inclusion. There are some popular activities not in aslo, particularly spanish-language ones (cf. xojuegos.com); this would be a nice feature, even if the resulting work gets an unverified copyright stamp. SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Promoting Pablo Flores to CEO of Activity Central
Congrats Pablo!! :-) Christoph On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the announcement. As David says, I will have the big challenge of directing AC, a company which has at the core of its business providing services for deployments using the Sugar learning platform. I've been involved in the olpc/sugar ecosystem since 2007 (for more info about me, please see my profilehttp://plus.google.com/u/0/104046304533768660303/aboutand follow me in google+). Much of my work was as a volunteer, having a strong focus on promoting the community work. One year ago I was hired by AC to work in the company's community outreach area, where I could work in promoting events like eduJAM, Sugar Day Junín, Mexico City Sugar workshop and Sugar Camp Lima. Sugar is based on the great work that the whole community systematically does for it, to which I hope AC can contribute even more in this new stage. AC provides deployments with technical solutions tailored to their particular needs, promoting at the same time the community growth by supporting local labs, hiring outstanding programmers, upstreaming code and sharing knowledge. In my vision, these professional services are required to keep the ecosystem healthy and it's our biggest challenge doing this sustainably. I won’t be much online in the last weeks of December as I'll take some days off before assuming the new position, but I’m very open to receiving by email or in #sugar IRC your doubts, suggestions, criticisms or ideas, as I want to keep the contact fluid. Stay in touch! Regards, Pablo Flores activitycentral.com On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I am proud to announce that we are promoting Pablo Flores as the new CEO of Activity Central. Pablo has a strong background in all things OLPC and Sugar from his time at Plan Ceibal, leadership in Ceibal Jam, and most recently as community architect for Activity Central. Pablo and the rest of the Activity Central team will continue the core AC mission of providing service and support for deployments. I will continue my work in the Sugar/OLPC ecosystem by focusing on the junction point between deployment technical teams and education teams. My research so far has lead me to the notion of learning objects. While poorly defined in the education literature, the vocabulary around learning objects seems to lends itself to the intersection of technical personal and education personal in early childhood education. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURES] Display Device
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, I would like to propose the following Feature to enhance the Sugar learning environment: Add a frame device to control the display. The idea is to add their an option to change the brightness and to take a screenshot. Both actions are only available via the keyboard as of today. [1] Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Features/Display_Devicehttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Display_Device Hey Simon, I really like the idea of adding the brightness controls to the frame, especially since that makes it consistent with the volume controls. I'm less convinced about the value of adding the screenshot capability to the frame device. Functionality-wise it is of course related to the display but IMHO it still doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the frame device features. Also I think that today the screenshot functionality is mainly used as a defacto replacement for the lacking print capabilities. Reading through Walter's latest Sugar-Digest it seems like the move to GTK3 will enable much better export / printing capabilities in Activities. As such I feel that adding the screenshot capability to the frame now is more of a short term fix which introduces an inconsistency whereas it should be possible to have a significantly better overall solution soon (e.g. for Sugar 0.98?). Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURES] Display Device
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: El 21/11/11 13:17, Christoph Derndorfer escribió: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de** wrote: Hi, I would like to propose the following Feature to enhance the Sugar learning environment: Add a frame device to control the display. The idea is to add their an option to change the brightness and to take a screenshot. Both actions are only available via the keyboard as of today. [1] Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Display_Devicehttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Features/Display_Device http:**//wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/**Features/Display_Devicehttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Display_Device Hey Simon, I really like the idea of adding the brightness controls to the frame, especially since that makes it consistent with the volume controls. I'm less convinced about the value of adding the screenshot capability to the frame device. Functionality-wise it is of course related to the display but IMHO it still doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the frame device features. Also I think that today the screenshot functionality is mainly used as a defacto replacement for the lacking print capabilities. Reading through Walter's latest Sugar-Digest it seems like the move to GTK3 will enable much better export / printing capabilities in Activities. As such I feel that adding the screenshot capability to the frame now is more of a short term fix which introduces an inconsistency whereas it should be possible to have a significantly better overall solution soon (e.g. for Sugar 0.98?). Cheers, Christoph Hmm, I disagree here. The screenshot functionality is an important tool, used by teachers. I don't think it is only used as an replacement for printing. Which other uses have you seen? Currently it is only accessible by a shortcut, not available in the UI. That it's why the goal is to preset it here. I could not come up with a better place to expose such a functionality, suggestions welcome. How about using one of the unmapped buttons on the XO's keyboard? e.g. the bulletin board button looks similar enough to the copy of a display (with some creativity that is;-) Christoph Regards, Simon -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FEATURE: Journal data tagged private or public
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I want propose the following feature: Modes private / public: A problem raised by some teachers, is that Journals of his students (and on school servers) are filled with music or games. With this proposal, Sugar would offer you to work in public when working at school or doing homework, or, if you are using Sugar for personal interests, then put your work in private category. This tag would be recorded in the Journal, and could also be changed in the detail view. This mode also works as a filter, so at school all the games and songs are not listed in the Journal. Furthermore, the school server would backup only those items recorded as public. This solves server space problems and helps preserve the privacy of students. More information: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Journal_data_tagged_private_or_public Do you imagine this feature could be tied in with Walter's suggestion for having multiple home views ( http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views)? e.g. An Activity launched from the school desktop being automatically tagged as public. Or do you think that would leave too many cases which aren't fully and therefore confusingly covered? Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release ClassRoomBroadcast-1
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Sugar Labs Activities activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4507 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.96 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/27751/classroombroadcast-1.xo Release notes: -New clasroomBroadcast activity based on vnclauncher it broadcast a sugar screen for teachers use (for example). Caveats: *Needs X11VNC to start Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org Hi Rafael, out of curiosity: What is the advantage of using this activity over VNCLauncher (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/de/sugar/addon/4311)? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Transfer to many
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: El 15/11/11 14:06, Gonzalo Odiard escribió: One problem with transfer to many, is, when the users do not have a school server, and use the ad-hoc networks, usually they group the kids in 3 groups and the teacher will need send to all in one group, check all have received, go to the next group send to all, etc. Hmm, what is the issue they are facing. Do you mean the Ad-hoc network is not capable of sending that many files at once? Yes, and then the use will be more difficult to the teacher, than sharing a file and enable the kids to download it. Just out of curiosity: Do we have any data or half-decent estimates on what rough percentage of current Sugar users are working in ad-hoc mode vs. infrastructure mode? That could help inform this decision, especially in terms of whether we might need one or two different ways to do this (e.g. trying to send the files sequentially vs. in parallel while in ad-hoc mode might be an option). Cheers, Christoph Gonzalo Or is it the representation of the file transfers in the sugar UI? For the latter the idea is to adjust the file transfer notification being only one item in the activity tray containing all the notifications. Regards, Simon __**_ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.**org Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/**listinfo/sugar-develhttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A dismiss all functionality for notifications?
Am 10.11.2011 17:33 schrieb Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com: Hi Christoph, On 9 Nov 2011, at 23:25, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, while playing around with 11.3.0 today I spent some time sending Memorize files back and forth between two XOs. This quickly led to the frame being filled with icons of these transfers so now I'm wondering whether it might be useful to consider adding a dismiss all functionality somewhere? Interesting you should raise this. While at Paris Sugar Camp, Simon and I worked on some UI sketches to present all transfer notifications in a single frame icon and palette so that they can be easily managed all in one place. Great, this sounds pretty much like what I had in mind. The target case was that of a teacher trying to transfer material to multiple children in a class (the groups feature also needs improvement to allow single shot transfer to multiple destinations). Nice. In terms of enabling a very basic level of collaboration, or rather easy artifact sharing, such a functionality is certainly one of the keys pieces which is currently missing. I'll try to tidy up and get the sketches on the wiki for review. Looking forward to the sketches! Thanks, Christoph --Gary Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] A dismiss all functionality for notifications?
Hi all, while playing around with 11.3.0 today I spent some time sending Memorize files back and forth between two XOs. This quickly led to the frame being filled with icons of these transfers so now I'm wondering whether it might be useful to consider adding a dismiss all functionality somewhere? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.auwrote: On 30 September 2011 19:51, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz wrote: Hi If we had a volunteer (English Native language) professional technical writer, what writing would be of most use to OLPC or Sugar that we can point her in the direction of? She currently works with developers to write end user documentation. Thanks Tabitha - NZ volunteers I think the most important thing is to identify and focus on the target audience - is the documentation meant for technical users, end users, teachers, children...? That's indeed the key question which we also spent some time discussing in San Francisco. The current Help activity + corresponding FlossManuals was mainly written with Give 1, Get 1 users in mind so there's definitely quite some rework that needs to be done if we're looking to cater to other audiences. We (OLPC Australia) would be happy to suggest ways in which the documentation can be improved, using our experience from working directly with teachers and communities. Our online course (http://laptop.moodle.com.au/ - you can log in as a guest) might provide some inspiration. Thanks, I'll take a look:-) Our Education Manager has some advice, based on her experiences with reading the publicly-available documentation: - Make sure the Sugar and XO Floss manuals are up-to-date, easily readable and have all the necessary information. - Externally available documentation: It’s imperative that minimal knowledge is assumed, which I think is the hardest part. Pages need to have less information rather than more, good user interfaces, lots of useful images, clear headings and language that is simple and precise. My concern with a lot of the external documentation is that it is sometimes overwhelming, difficult to navigate (both between pages and within them) and written for a technical audience rather than a basic user. Trying to target both a technical audience and a basic user in the same documentation means you are more likely to lose the basic user. Perhaps some of this documentation needs to be separate out. The main issue I see with the Wiki is that it’s difficult to navigate and find information from the menus. This isn’t, per say, the role of a technical writer, but tidying up navigation in the Wiki would make it more accessible. - Someone to simply document the activities available (purpose of the activity, how to use it, any tips that are not easily discoverable, and what you can DO with it- exemplars of use) That point is also on our agenda: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SanFranciscoBayArea/OLPCSF_Community_Summit_2011/Help_Activity_Refresh#Revised_Manual_Contents - There are lesson ideas and examples of practice all over the place. It would be amazing to synthesise this as much as possible, so they are not so difficult and time consuming to find, and to put them in a uniform format. I’m not sure what the best way to approach this is, but from an educational perspective, knowing not just HOW to use the XOs but WHAT to do with them is far more important. Making these ideas easily accessible, in my mind, is quite important. Also something that was discussed various times in San Francisco (and previously Paris). It definitely sounds like at least Australia, the Philippines, Jamaica, Madagascar - Nosy Komba, and Austria have some common needs here which I think we should expand on in a seperate thread. :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing
Tabitha, not sure what the exact time difference is between San Francisco and NZ but maybe we could set up a Skype call between Rachel, you, and us in SF to coordinate our documentation efforts? Cheers, Christoph Am 19.10.2011 22:49 schrieb Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org: We need help writing, and translating in FLOSS. I can help updating the activity. Gonzalo On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nzwrote: On 4 October 2011 16:18, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: And the FLOSS Manuals feed into the Help Activity, so work there pays of many times over... So how do we feed the FLOSS manual into the Help activity? Rachel is keen to help, but keen to see her work on the XO. Is the FLOSS - help activity process documented anywhere? I don't think we are able to help with improving the i10n process or the activity build process, but we can help with the (english) words themselves. ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Potential volunteer offering technical writing
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: In any refresh of the XO manual (Help Activity), I would very much appreciate if some structural choices could be made to facilitate the internationalization of the text Agreed on the general goal. My understanding is that the Help activity is assembled from content from several manuals about sugar and activities, created and edited at FLOSS Manuals. I suspect that FLOSS Manuals has a means to maintain translated versions, not sure how well it works, but several existing manuals offer alternative language versions. Maybe the FLOSS manuals platforms is terminally borked in this regard, I honestly hope not. Because Pootle is not suited for this style of documentation -- we sure want something wiki-ish that handles paragraphs, tables, embedded images... (earlier message sent prematurely) I need to spend a little bit of time on FLOSSManuals, I'd heard something about hem incorporating booki http://www.booki.cc/ but I have not investigated it extensively since then to see how much of an improvement it is with regards to L10n. L10n of long-form content is an area where I think there are some excellent bits and pieces, but I'm not convinced that there is a really nice end-to-end solution yet. I think very highly of FLOSSManuals as a book publishing platform, but was less than impressed with it's L10n workflow. I am happy that several of the Sugar OLPC boks have been translated, but these have been time-focused efforts requiring a lot of coordination and not amenable to the slower accumulation of collaborative work that characterizes Poolte L10n work. I like also wikislicing as a content collection method and Wikimedia's WikiBook effort has some superb features with respect to content collection and publishing. To the extent that orthologous articles exist across wikis it can also address L10n, essentially by slicing pre-localized content. Unfortunately, while the PDF output from WikiBooks is quite beautifully formatted, it's size is large and PDFs are not that easy to edit after the fact. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/File:TamTamSuite_collection.pdf The ,odt output option from WikiBooks is easier to edit, but I think it has real deficiencies in formatting, and IMHO, is frankly ugly. However, both of these formats produce rather large files compared to simple HTML and an HTML output option is not currently available. My reasoning on requesting availability of a plain text version is that facilitates bringing the strings to the localizer, instead of forcing you to bring the localizer to the strings (and a new tool). Admittedly, this has its; own flaws and requires more substantial post-processing to get a nicely formatted product. The ideal all-singing, all-dancing long-form L10n tool with content management system features and e-publishing features may be out there, but I haven't seen it yet. I do welcome others to join in the exploration of the various options and techniques for cobbling together a workflow that optimally meets our needs, but most of all, I encourage thinking about i18n / L10n in all aspects of our work. Cjl, thanks a lot for reminding us about the importance of localization:-) Samy from France was kind enough to collect some links and information for translation tools in another thread (Open translation tools) and I hope to have some time to look at them in some detail before I head to San Francisco. Maybe what we should try to do is try to compile some sort of good practice guide for translation of documentation (as opposed to software itself) for these types of events... Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Open translation tools (was: Potential volunteer offering technical writing)
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:19 PM, samy boutayeb s.bouta...@free.fr wrote: Following the discussions Potential volunteer offering technical writing about the choice of an adequate translation tool suitable for a a project like a manual, please see: Open Translation Tools http://en.flossmanuals.net/open-translation-tools/ Among the tools mentioned in this review, my best candidates would be a combination of: 1/ OmegaT ( http://www.omegat.org/ ), which manages a fair list of document formats and can benefit from a translation memory (which helps reuse old texts from previous translations), and a glossary, both useful fonctions in a collaborative project. The documents are parsed and segmented properly, providing a simple list of text strings, which may be translated either internally or with an online tool. and 2/ Pottle, as a well known web based online tool compatible with a collaborative project management. 3/ Additionally, the Okapi framework ( http://okapi.opentag.com/ ) may provide useful resources such as file filter, allowing to manage a fair list of file formats. See: http://www.opentag.com/okapi/wiki/index.php?title=Filters for a full list of supported formats Hi Samy, thanks a lot for compiling this list of recommendations. I briefly looked at OmegaT and Okapi: the first one looks quite interesting but I'm less sure what to do with the latter. So if you have a moment could you briefly lay out the workflow in which these different tools would be used within the context of a 1-day or multi-day translation sprint with a handful of participants? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2011-08-22
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 22.08.2011, at 17:50, Walter Bender wrote: == Sugar Digest == 1. The OLPC XO 1.75 machines (beta units) are starting to be distributed to developers. This machine is ARM based, which means that it will have superior battery life once all of the fine-tuning is complete. It also means that it uses some different components, e.g., audio circuitry, so there is some driver work to be done. But so far, so good. One of the nice things about the 1.75 is that the OLPC engineering team threw in a few additional sensors. Saadia Husain Baloch got the accelerometer working and I immediately wrote a Turtle Art plug-in (included with v114). Saadia wrote a fun 'etch-a-sketch' program in Turtle Art that works by shaking the machine. Not to be outdone, I added an enhancement to the Portfolio activity while I was on a short flight last week. If you hit the left side of the XO, it will advance to the next slide. If you hit the right side of the XO, it will return to the previous slide. The person sitting next to me on the plane told me, That's the strangest thing I have ever seen anyone do with a computer. The bottom line is the more sensors the better: we want to give young learners more opportunities to observe and interactive with the physical world. The accelerometer is fun to use indeed. I just made an Etoys project that lets you steer a ball by tilting the XO-1.75. Find a description and video at: http://croquetweak.blogspot.com/2011/08/squeak-etoys-on-arm-based-xo-175.html - Bert - Very awesome stuff indeed!! :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Updated program for the SugarCamp in Paris
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Dear all, The SugarCamp looks more and more promising -- check out the updated schedule here: http://fr.amiando.com/olpcfrance-sugarcamp2011.html We will have two _modest_ prices for best Sugar code and best Sugar documentation achievements after the sunday codecamp. Another good news: we found a space for the CodeSprint on monday 12th: we will be hosted at LaCantine, in the heart of Paris. So the week-end will be both for code/doc and global OLPC and Sugar outreach, and the monday will be for coding only... Christoph Guéret, developing SemanticXO to interface Sugar and database like DBPedia¹ will be here. Developers of OOo4Kids² and Kiwix³ might join IRC discussions over the week-end. Looking forward to seeing you in Paris! ¹ http://www.slideshare.net/cgueret/semanticxo-connecting-the-xo-with-the-worlds-largest-information-network ² http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/ ² http://www.kiwix.org/ Hi Bastien, thanks a lot for the update and all the preparation work by you and the other OLPC France folks. I'd also like to draw people's attention to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bzg/SugarCamp and particularly the section about Off-schedule hacking sessions. I think similarly to the code sprint at eduJAM! (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/EduJAM/2011/Code_Sprint) it makes sense to use w.s.o to prepare and subsequently document what's going on in Paris. Especially for the coding and design related efforts figuring out some sort of priority among the tasks might also be useful. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Anyone up for a post Sugar Camp Hack Day?
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Dear all, thanks Christoph for this great idea. It was Sascha's idea, I'm just the messanger;-) Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org writes: I think this is a great idea. I'm looking into the possibility of attending, but that weekend is a bit complicated with some university and moving commitments (Monday OTOH would be fine). I'd like to push PyGI/GTK3 porting as the main activity of such a hack day... http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/GTK3 That'd fits the purpose of the SugarCamp perfectly and if it can drag and drap Daniel here in Paris, even better :) We *do* have several spaces available, for small (~10) and larger (~30) groups of people who want to work closely together. I cannot promise anything for a space on monday, but I will try to find a location -- stay tuned. Please keep me informed on accommodation as well. What would be a reasonable average budget for attendees ? I think I can find something for ~60€ per night per person for 10-15 persons. If at least 10 persons confirm this is within their budget before sunday eve, I can try to find a hotel. Otherwise, I suggest agreeing on finding locations not far from Gare du Nord: http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=gare+du+nord+parishl=encid=14493091528920011811 Let me know how I can help further, best, Also see my reply on the other thread. Personally I think that most of us are on a relatively tight budget so €60 / person / night seems like quite a lot... Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Anyone up for a post Sugar Camp Hack Day? (was: Registration for the Sugar Camp in Paris (sept) are now open)
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, speaking to Sascha earlier today he mentioned the idea of having a small post Sugar Camp Hack Day or something. I had already bought my flights for September 9 (Friday) to 14 (Wednesday) anyway so I'll definitely be in town. I assume many others of the registered participants ( http://fr.amiando.com/olpcfrance-sugarcamp2011.html;jsessionid=57C0354E37E6A4A314890B401B6EEF56.web02?page=571393 ) are buying their tickets these days as well so it would be good to get a head count of who would be up for such an event:-) I think this is a great idea. I'm looking into the possibility of attending, but that weekend is a bit complicated with some university and moving commitments (Monday OTOH would be fine). I'd like to push PyGI/GTK3 porting as the main activity of such a hack day... http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/GTK3 Please keep me informed on accommodation as well. Just a quick reminder: Is anyone else up for such a post-camp hack day? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar-news] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2011-08-07
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: == Sugar Digest == 2. Following up on a thread begun in mid July [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-July/013736.html] the Sugar oversight board passed a motion to empower Sugar Labs to award certificates to developers to acknowledge and celebrate their contributions to the Sugar Learning Platform. Several certificates will be made available, based upon the area of contribution. The certification mechanism is decentralized: the specific criteria for certification will be determined by the Sugar Labs team coordinators; in general, it will involve a repeated effort on behalf of the team's goals at a high level of quality. As an example, the Activity team may issue a Sugar Activity Developer certificate to an individual who develops at least one Sugar activity that is subsequently posted on the Sugar activity portal and be of sufficient quality to be approved for public release. The activity must also include internationalization, including the submission of a POT file to the Translation Team, and documentation, including the creation of a page in the wiki under the Activity category. As will the Contributor certificates, sign off will be made by the associated team coordinators, in this case the Activity team. Excellent news! :-) In this context it might also be worth keeping an eye on the Mozilla Open Badge Infrastructure (OBI) project which released its alpha version last week (http://erinknight.com/post/8650391369/obi-alpha). At least from the description on the site it sounds like a useful infrastructure effort which Sugar Labs might be able to build on somewhere down the road. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Anyone up for a post Sugar Camp Hack Day? (was: Registration for the Sugar Camp in Paris (sept) are now open)
Hi all, speaking to Sascha earlier today he mentioned the idea of having a small post Sugar Camp Hack Day or something. I had already bought my flights for September 9 (Friday) to 14 (Wednesday) anyway so I'll definitely be in town. I assume many others of the registered participants ( http://fr.amiando.com/olpcfrance-sugarcamp2011.html;jsessionid=57C0354E37E6A4A314890B401B6EEF56.web02?page=571393) are buying their tickets these days as well so it would be good to get a head count of who would be up for such an event:-) On another related question: Have people figured out where they're staying while in Paris? As Sean's urban camping site won't be available this time around I assume many of us will stay at hostels. As the last Sugar Camp and also eduJAM! demonstrated staying in one place tends to make things a lot easier, more productive, and more fun so we should maybe try to do that again:-) Please let me know what you think. Cheers, Christoph On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Dear all, registrations for the 2nd SugarCamp in Paris are now open: http://fr.amiando.com/olpcfrance-sugarcamp2011.html Please join us in make Sugar a better learning experience! This event is organized by OLPC France, and takes place in Paris -- from 9th Sept. (eve) to 11th. Sept. (eve). Thanks to the sponsor of OLPC Foundation, and depending on the number of attendees, we will be able to partially refund travels tickets from regional trips. Please contact us for any questions and details. The general purpose of the event is to enhance Sugar as a free learning platform, already used by ~1M kids around the world, but we suggest to focus an a specific problem: how to make Sugar *documentation* better with respect to accessibility and readability? Let's take this challenge. And let's enjoy a relaxed time with many members of the OLPC/Sugar community! OLPC: http://www.laptop.org OLPC France: http://olpc-france.org Sugar Labs: http://sugarlabs.org Contact: b...@laptop.org -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.94 - Schedule proposal
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, based on our previous 6 months development cycle I have drafted a 0.94 release schedule [1]. As always it is aligned with the GNOME, Fedora and Ubuntu cycle. As we are a bit late in planning and officially announcing the schedule this will be a short cycle. If your Feature will miss the boat, no worries there will be a next cycle [2]. I think it is good to stick to our schedule model nerveless because it does align with the other projects and it will help to strengthen our focus and land a few smaller Features and hopefully a lot of bug fixes. This cycle we will not switch to GNOME 3 and the dynamic gtk bindings yet. Hopefully we can advance on that matter for 0.96. Comments, thoughts welcome, if there are no major objections with that proposal - let's start officially the 0.94 hacking! Regards, Simon Speaking of releases I just noticed that Sugar's Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_(desktop_environment)) had still listed the 0.90 release as the latest version. I've now updated it to 0.92 and used a release date of February 23, hope that's indeed the right date:-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Article on Why files need to die
Hi all, I just saw this article over on O'Reilly Radar and a lot of what the author says also applies to the Journal: Why files need to die: Files are an anachronism in the digital age. It's time for something better. ( http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/why-files-need-to-die.html). So while it's still early days I definitely feel that the Journal is generally moving into the right direction, especially with all the new features and whatnot discussed during the eduJAM! summit:-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Article on Why files need to die
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just saw this article over on O'Reilly Radar and a lot of what the author says also applies to the Journal: Why files need to die: Files are an anachronism in the digital age. It's time for something better. ( http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/why-files-need-to-die.html). So while it's still early days I definitely feel that the Journal is generally moving into the right direction, especially with all the new features and whatnot discussed during the eduJAM! summit:-) I am not purely convinced on eliminating the files paradigm, maybe the folders would be a different conversation. But files are well... pretty obiquos. Since you seem very interesting in having this paradigm of a journal. I wonder if you got inspired out of Zeitgeist project in gnome (I think they rename it now to something more normal like gnome-journal or something). Not sure that there's necessarily a direct connection between Sugar's Journal and Gnome's Zeitgeist but if there were then I'd probably argue that it went from Sugar to Gnome rather than the other way 'round;-) I would like to hear your validation of the journal and why is it a good idea, and how deep will this change goes beyond the UI and apps to a commandline environment. See the aforementioned article, it really contains most of the reasons why I personally think that something like the Journal is a good idea. It seems to be that a stream-like interface combined with a database based backend is a good combination for today's computing context. On an even a broader scale back in Uruguay in early May Bert Freudenberg pointed out that mobile operating systems such as Android and iOS and now increasingly even desktop operating systems (e.g. OS X Lion) are moving into a direction where you're not really interacting with files anymore. Cheers, Christoph Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Article on Why files need to die
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just saw this article over on O'Reilly Radar and a lot of what the author says also applies to the Journal: Why files need to die: Files are an anachronism in the digital age. It's time for something better. ( http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/why-files-need-to-die.html). So while it's still early days I definitely feel that the Journal is generally moving into the right direction, especially with all the new features and whatnot discussed during the eduJAM! summit:-) I am not purely convinced on eliminating the files paradigm, maybe the folders would be a different conversation. But files are well... pretty obiquos. Since you seem very interesting in having this paradigm of a journal. I wonder if you got inspired out of Zeitgeist project in gnome (I think they rename it now to something more normal like gnome-journal or something). Not sure that there's necessarily a direct connection between Sugar's Journal and Gnome's Zeitgeist but if there were then I'd probably argue that it went from Sugar to Gnome rather than the other way 'round;-) I would like to hear your validation of the journal and why is it a good idea, and how deep will this change goes beyond the UI and apps to a commandline environment. See the aforementioned article, it really contains most of the reasons why I personally think that something like the Journal is a good idea. It seems to be that a stream-like interface combined with a database based backend is a good combination for today's computing context. On an even a broader scale back in Uruguay in early May Bert Freudenberg pointed out that mobile operating systems such as Android and iOS and now increasingly even desktop operating systems (e.g. OS X Lion) are moving into a direction where you're not really interacting with files anymore. Please also see this article ( http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2011/06/08/new-pony/) which Tomeu Vizoso (one of the early Sugar developers) just shared on Google+, well worth a read! Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Luke Faraone l...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On 07/10/2011 10:23 PM, Gary Martin wrote: I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning. Odd. Did you at least get the mail from Selectricity? FWIW: I just went through the spam folder on my university e-mail account ( e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at) where I've previously received the Selectricity messages but can't find anything message about this election. I did however get Luke's announcement on June 14 but hadn't read it until now:-/ Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New activity. ReSiStance.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Chus Picos chuspi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I'm a Software Engineering student at the Universidade da Coruña (Galicia - Spain). I have just done my final year proyect. I have developed an activity for Sugar. It is an RSS reader. You can download it from: http://madsgroup.org/staff/juanjo/ReSiStance-1.xo I want to know your opinion, suggestions... Regards and thank you very much. Hi Chus, interesting stuff, I'll definitely give this activity a shot later today. Hi again, I just tried running the activity on the latest development build (11.2.0 os22 - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0#Download) on an XO-1.5HS machine and the activity failed to start. I'm copying the log below, hope it helps you figure out what the issue could be. Thanks, Christoph --- LOG --- ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (HippoCanvasBox) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 21, in module main.main() File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py, line 121, in main module = __import__(module_name) File /home/olpc/Activities/ReSiStance.activity/ReSiStanceActivity.py, line 33, in module from src.ReSiStance.settings import Settings File /home/olpc/Activities/ReSiStance.activity/src/ReSiStance/settings.py, line 26, in module from configobj import ConfigObj ImportError: No module named configobj 1307952847.033687 DEBUG root: _cleanup_temp_files Exited with status 1, pid 3921 data (None, open file 'fdopen', mode 'w' at 0xb332b78, '07c289065be801b61442e679e7aeb473be3da17e') --- /LOG --- -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse 122: Tabs MIA, suggestion to incl. search in address bar
Gonzalo, thanks a lot for the link, I just installed Browse 122.2 and will test it a little bit tonight. On a related note: Since Browse 121 (on 11.2.0 os22) I'm seeing an odd issue whereby upon starting the activity it's not possible to click into the two search fields on the home page (Google search, OLPC search). Once I do go to another page - regardless of whether it's a content bundle or another URL - and then use the back button to get to the home page it works. This looks like an instance of http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10623, right? Cheers, Christoph On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Probably in os23 we will have tabs enabled again, but I don't know if will be enabled in the production image. I have fixed a few problems, but is a big change for this stage of our release cycle. You can test it downloading 122.2 from http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10779 This activity have the inline PDF viewer too, but is a ugly hack, and is not ready to upstream. Gonzalo On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just installed 11.2.0 os22 on my XO-1.5 and was surprised that Browse (os22 came with 121, I manually installed 122) seems to have dropped the support for tabs. Is that somehow related to Sebastian's patch from late May as there is a corresponding comment in his patch (Not enabling the multiple tabs feature due to a bug in cairo/mozilla)? Oh, and I had originally wanted to suggest the addition of a feature to allow links to be opened in a new tab, something that wasn't possible in the last OS / Browse combo I had running (unfortunately I can't remember which one that was). Last but not least I was wondering whether it would be possible to allow search from within the address bar as both Chrome and Firefox support these days? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse 122: Tabs MIA, suggestion to incl. search in address bar
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Probably in os23 we will have tabs enabled again, but I don't know if will be enabled in the production image. I have fixed a few problems, but is a big change for this stage of our release cycle. You can test it downloading 122.2 from http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10779 This activity have the inline PDF viewer too, but is a ugly hack, and is not ready to upstream. I just tested it with a couple of PDFs from wiki.laptop.org and other Web sites and it worked very well indeed. Kudos on the great work! The one suggestion I have on the UI front is to hide whatever toolbar Browse is showing when a PDF is opened because in combination with the Read toolbar it takes up a good 25% of the screen real estate. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Browse 122: Tabs MIA, suggestion to incl. search in address bar
Hi all, I just installed 11.2.0 os22 on my XO-1.5 and was surprised that Browse (os22 came with 121, I manually installed 122) seems to have dropped the support for tabs. Is that somehow related to Sebastian's patch from late May as there is a corresponding comment in his patch (Not enabling the multiple tabs feature due to a bug in cairo/mozilla)? Oh, and I had originally wanted to suggest the addition of a feature to allow links to be opened in a new tab, something that wasn't possible in the last OS / Browse combo I had running (unfortunately I can't remember which one that was). Last but not least I was wondering whether it would be possible to allow search from within the address bar as both Chrome and Firefox support these days? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Browse 0/2] Add support for Export as PDF
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.comwrote: Hi Sascha, thanks a lot for your work on this front! Requests for print functionality in Sugar have been voiced repeatedly, including during EduJam 2011. Adding support to Browse for exporting the currently loaded document as PDF is a major step in that direction since Browse can render (and thus export as PDF) a variety of file formats, including HTML, bitmap graphics (PNG, JPEG) and SVG. The Portable Document Format (PDF) is designed to preserve the layout of the document and thus is poorly suited for applications like offline reading of web pages (there is no re-flowing to suit the dimensions of the screen). For these tasks there are better solutions like wwwoffle [1], Webified [2] or creating a derivative of the Help activity [3]. FWIW I don't think that PDF is ill-suited for offline reading. In fact reading PDFs of Web sites has consistently been one of my main uses for my XOs, particularly when I'm traveling and therefore offline. Yes, other solutions might be better here but at least for me PDF gets the job done well enough. Direct print support has been deliberately omitted. Anything that gets exported from the learners system should be recorded and preserved in the Journal. Exporting PDFs from individual activities to the Journal and implementing print support in a single, specially designed activity that operates on the PDFs not only ensures that all exports are recorded in the exact form they left the computer, but also relieves activity authors from the need to provide print support in their activity. The user won't get confused by multiple different ways to configure printing from within the various activities. I am somewhat confused about what you're saying here but maybe I'm just misunderstanding something: (1) Are you suggesting that rather than being able to print directly from an activity users will have to export whatever they want to print to PDF, then launch a separate activity or go into the Journal to start the appropriate function and then print from there? If so this frankly speaking sounds like a lot of overhead to me. (2) Assuming my assumption above is correct: Doesn't that mean that the text, image, whatever artifact a user wants to print will be stored twice in the Journal, once as the original (modifiable) object and once as the static PDF? (3) You say that this approach relieves activity authors from the need to provide print support in their activity, yet it seems to me that they will be required to add an export to PDF for printing purposes feature, right? It seems that any such functionality (regardless whether it's direct printing or going through a PDF) would have to be somewhat customizable to activities anyway. In Write for example it can be assumed that print means the whole text yet for example what does printing in Tam Tam look like? A screenshot of the current composition, an export of the actual tunes having been configured,...? Thanks, Christoph Because PDF is a standard interchange format, this also enables more (and better!) ways of sharing documents (while preserving their exact form) than printing. Sascha Silbe (2): Generalise GetSourceListener to SaveListener Add support for exporting (printing) to PDF browser.py| 92 +++- webtoolbar.py | 10 ++ 2 files changed, 93 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) [1] http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified [3] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 -- 1.7.2.5 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Thoughts on Windows 8 UI / touchscreen UIs which could also apply to Sugar on tablets
Hi all, I stumbled across this article called Why Windows 8 Is Fundamentally Flawed as a Response to the iPad ( http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/windows_8_fundamentally_flawed). I think some of the things that are being said there could also apply to Sugar running on tablets and actually ties in very well with some of the related discussions I had with C. Scott and Bert in Uruguay. To me the key phrase in the article can be found in the last paragraph where it says: Apple’s radical notion is that touchscreen personal computers should make severely different tradeoffs than traditional computers — and that you can’t design one system that does it all. Definitely some good food for thought in my opinion... Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] multi-selection in journal
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:45:09PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:38:04AM -0400, Martin Abente wrote: Anyway, I would like to hear everyone's feedback on the current design! 3. http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/journal2.mpeg I like it. It looked nice. I was thinking about a 'move' option? What do you mean by move option? On a related note: It could be interesting to also add the possibility to do batch editing of Journal entries, e.g. for adding tags. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] multi-selection in journal
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:07:17AM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:45:09PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:38:04AM -0400, Martin Abente wrote: Anyway, I would like to hear everyone's feedback on the current design! 3. http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/journal2.mpeg I like it. It looked nice. I was thinking about a 'move' option? What do you mean by move option? I mean there is copy (to a usb stick) and delete (from jounal) move is a combination of 'copy' followed by 'delete'. To remove a bunch of journal entries off of the XO journal and on to an external device Ahh, thanks, I clearly don't have enough caffeine in me yet, should really have been able to figure this out myself;-) Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] multi-selection in journal [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 31, Issue 103]
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:58 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: A journal undo function would be welcome, however. Oh, I've just deleted everything. Undo, undo!. Very good point! I particularly like how Gmail handles this. I can discard the draft of this message, click undo, and voila I'm back where I was before. In my mind this could be a model for similar functionality in the Journal. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Manual de Uso de la XO/Sugar en Peru,
2011/6/2 Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com Hola http://www.perueduca.edu.pe/aprendiendoconlaxo/docs/manual-laptop-xo-aula.pdf Esta muy completo!. Si, es impresionate en cuanto al contenido y la presentación! :-) For the English speakers out there: This is new Peruvian Sugar and XO manuals and it's very impressive both in terms of content and presentation! :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] multi-selection in journal
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:45 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:38:04AM -0400, Martin Abente wrote: Anyway, I would like to hear everyone's feedback on the current design! 3. http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/journal2.mpeg I like it. +1 Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] [IAEP] copy files to/from server
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.au wrote: Interesting. Does WebDAV work as a normal mount, like CIFS or NFS? From the PoV of the user, yes, it looks like a mountpoint. Technically, you can mount it at the linux kernel level, at the gnome IO libraries level, or from Sugar, with a pure python implmentation. What would be the best way to get this working on Sugar? You don't have a lot of time it seems. I'd implement it on top of gnome VFS of in pure Python. In both cases, I'd make it look like another disk from the Journal (as an initial implementation at least). I'd say talk with Martin Abente, he's looking into this problem space. Could we maybe split this thread and keep technical discussions focused on XS-devel and Sugar-devel lists? I think this could also also help in getting some non-technical and/or end-user feedback and suggestion from people on IAEP who aren't into all the technical details (something which I think tch was also interested in). Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] I'd like to put Make Your Own Sugar Activities! on the Kindle store
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Right now the FLOSS Manual Make Your Own Sugar Activities! is available on the FM website, as a bound and printed book from Lulu, as a free PDF download from Lulu, and in PDF, EPUB, and MOBI formats on the Internet Archive. I'd like to add the Kindle Store to this list. I would price it at 99 cents, and in the Introduction I would add some text explaining where the book could be downloaded for free, so if someone got a free preview from the Kindle store he would not be required to pay the 99 cents unless he wished to. The profits from these purchases, if there are any, would go to me. If Oprah chooses the book as one of her Favorite Things I might be persuaded to share the windfall with Sugar Labs and/or FLOSS Manuals. Don't count on this happening. The Amazon Kindle uses the MOBI format, and it will be a fair amount of work for me to convert the EPUB I can get from Booki to what Amazon requires. Among other things I need to create a cover image and a Table Of Contents with links, plus I need to clean up the page formatting. I will not change the licensing of the book or use DRM, but I WILL put my name on the cover image and other places as appropriate. I will use a new cover image because the picture used on the bound and printed book was given to me by the artist with the understanding that I wouldn't be making any money on the book. Right now if you look One Laptop Per Child on the Kindle Store you get three items returned. If what I propose to do works well it might be a good idea to get other FLOSS Manuals, especially OLPC and Sugar-related titles, on there as well. Great idea! And I definitely hope Oprah discovers and subsequently tells the world about it;-) Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Question about 4G shared w/ XOs via normal laptop
Hi all, I just got an e-mail from someone who is trying to get a somewhat nonstandard configuration working for some work he's doing with XO laptops in Afghanistan. Essentially, he's trying to share a 4G USB modem internet connection on a regular (non XO) laptop through the laptop's wireless interface in ad-hoc mode to one or more XO laptops. He's having some issues with ad-hoc mode networking on the XOs and was wondering whether there was any specific steps or things he needed to be aware of. Or are there any guides available when it comes to this kind of setup (I couldn't find anything in a quick search). Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] EduJAM day 3 Tour of Uruguay
Am 03.05.2011 17:54, schrieb David Farning: The theme for day was using the XO to help kids learn. Because this is not my area of expertise I will defer summarizing the day and take a moment to explain the rational for a technical focused summit for an education project. There are two aspect to the OLPC ecosystem, technological and educational. Technologically we face three general classes of problems: hardware, software, and connectivity. When these three aspects of the project work, teachers and students have an outstanding tool. When one or more of these aspects is not working teachers and students have a suboptimal tool. Once the tool is created and understood, educators can train teachers to take advantage of the tool, create content which builds on the affordances of the tool, and create curriculum which enable teachers to build on their understanding and available content to create lessons which align with the needs of their class, school, and country. The vision for EduJAM Montevideo 2011 is to bring people working on the technical aspects together to learn from each other and understand the needs of educators though a series of presentations and conversations. The goal of this process is: 1. Better understand educators needs. 2. Learn how we as developers and engineers can make a product which is more effective for educators. 3. Learn and communicate with our fellow developers and engineers to learn to work more effectively. Ideally, another organization will sponsor a complementary event which focuses on how educators can leverage the tool to enhance learning. These complementary events can form the nucleus for a dialog which drive the project forward. My impressions from the activities yesterday and today can be found at http://olpcuruguay2011.wordpress.com and I've also uploaded some of the photos I took today to http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophd/sets/72157626514302097/ Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Awesome day 0 for eduJAM.
Am 01.05.2011 08:20, schrieb Bert Freudenberg: On 01.05.2011, at 07:22, David Farning wrote: Yesterday was have picture perfect start to eduJAM! The day was planned by the Ceibal-volunteer associations as part of their annual (sometime biannual) meeting. For lack of a better word, my Spanish is still rather fuzzy, I will use the term Ceibal-volunteer associations to describe Ceibal-Jam, Rap-Ceibal, and Flordeceibo. Many of us in Sugar Labs are familiar with Ceibal-Jam, the software-arm of the project, from the public work at http://ceibaljam.org/ . Particularly interesting is their work on Sugar activities at http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/?q=lista_proyectos . Rap-Ceibal is the volunteer support organization. There public work is at http://rapceibal.blogspot.com/ . They are doing really interesting work creating regional centers. Basic service and support happens in the schools, while more complicated or specialized service and support happen in the regional centers. It is a great model. Thirdly, Flordeceibo, is the education arm that builds on the technical work of Ceibal-Jam, Rap-Ceibal, and other organization to enable a efficient and effective education for student in Uruguay. http://www.flordeceibo.edu.uy/ The morning started with the groups giving status reports of current projects and roadmaps for next year. It was a great example of people saying, 'we see a problem and we are trying to fix it.' The afternoon was a series of videoconferences with distant schools. Groups from various school shared their experiences and concern. This was followed by an open discussion on how to meet their needs. Midafternoon we broke up and shared a meal, ( The proper translation for the dish was 'delicious heart attack on a plate' ) with others planning on attending the Tour of Uruguay. Overall two thumbs up to everyone involved. As special shout out to Antel, a Uruguayan telecommunications firm, for providing the facilities -- which included an video conferencing system that would make any hacker want to get in there and take in apart to figure out how it works :) The moderator, Latise (sp?) did an outstanding job of keeping the program running smoothly and on schedule. Which can be harder than it appeared when you have a room full of smart, curious, and passionate people. david Second that. It was very refreshing to see all these different volunteer groups doing great stuff, even if my missing Spanish skills did not allow me to understand much ;) Also, when we left the building, we were greeted by an awesome drum-and-dance performance: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9643745/2011-UY-Dance1.mp4 Caryl also set up a blog at http://olpcuruguay2011.wordpress.com where a couple of us are documenting the experiences and impressions we make at the tour and summit. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Some quick comments on the Journal in 11.2.0 build 16 and Dextrose 508
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 16:47 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: I used my 12h plane ride to Montevideo to play around with 11.2.0 build 16 and Dextrose 508 on my two XO-1.5 machines. I thought I'd brielfy comment on some observation I made in the Journal: * When copying large files (in my case a 700MB video) over from a USB drive to the Journal there's no indication of the progress of the copy-process. For small files I do remember seeing the gray-screen with some sort of progress-bar but for this one it really looked as though the system was simply frozen all throughout the copy process (which also seemed to take ages compared to doing it on my regular laptop). [11.2.0 / Dextrose] This is indeed a big usability problem. My thoughts exactly. * 11.2.0 (not sure about previous versions) also shows the available Journal space after hovering over the Journal icon when a USB drive is connected. This is really handy when trying to decide whether to copy over large files from external media so I think it would be great if Dextrose also integrated it (which it currently doesn't seem to do). You mean on the journal icon on the device toolbar, in the bottom-left corner? This shouldn't be too hard to back-port from Sugar 0.92. Yes, that's what I meant. * Last but not least: allowing the selection of multiple Journal entries. IIRC this does appear on the to-do list for Dextrose 3 but I was wondering whether there's a chance it can also make it into 11.2.0? Maybe it's much harder than I imagine but could this be an item to tackle during the Sugar Camp in Montevideo? This will indeed take a lot of rework. Perhaps it could be started (and maybe finished) in a sprint session at the Sugar Camp. Overall I was very impressed by these latest software versions and can't wait to test them more over the coming days and weeks:-) Thanks for taking the time to test *and* report back! :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Some quick comments on the Journal in 11.2.0 build 16 and Dextrose 508
Hi all, I used my 12h plane ride to Montevideo to play around with 11.2.0 build 16 and Dextrose 508 on my two XO-1.5 machines. I thought I'd brielfy comment on some observation I made in the Journal: * When copying large files (in my case a 700MB video) over from a USB drive to the Journal there's no indication of the progress of the copy-process. For small files I do remember seeing the gray-screen with some sort of progress-bar but for this one it really looked as though the system was simply frozen all throughout the copy process (which also seemed to take ages compared to doing it on my regular laptop). [11.2.0 / Dextrose] * 11.2.0 (not sure about previous versions) also shows the available Journal space after hovering over the Journal icon when a USB drive is connected. This is really handy when trying to decide whether to copy over large files from external media so I think it would be great if Dextrose also integrated it (which it currently doesn't seem to do). * Last but not least: allowing the selection of multiple Journal entries. IIRC this does appear on the to-do list for Dextrose 3 but I was wondering whether there's a chance it can also make it into 11.2.0? Maybe it's much harder than I imagine but could this be an item to tackle during the Sugar Camp in Montevideo? Overall I was very impressed by these latest software versions and can't wait to test them more over the coming days and weeks:-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Permission denied error in ReckonPrimer Activity
exstore.ExStore at 0xb612559c self._dis = display.Display instance at 0xb613436c self._co = coach.Coach instance at 0xb613428c 23 #self._co.create_exercises() #TODO.WN091101 replace by storing Exerc.s 24 self._calcs = None #pop ! /home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/exstore.py in __init__(self=exstore.ExStore instance at 0xb613438c, display=display.Display instance at 0xb613436c, coach=coach.Coach instance at 0xb613428c) 404 405 # comment to save changes (order of the items) till the next start -- 406 self._root.set_data_in_pickle(self._root) self._root.set_data_in_pickle = bound method Collection.set_data_in_pickle of collection.Collection instance at 0xb613ad8c self._root = collection.Collection instance at 0xb613ad8c 407 408 #Provisorium für impl. treeView-Kollektion /home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/collection.py in set_data_in_pickle(self=collection.Collection instance at 0xb613ad8c, root=collection.Collection instance at 0xb613ad8c) 148 Sets data in pickle file 149 path = os.path.join(os.getcwd(), data/Collection.data) -- 150 f = open(path, wb) f = undefined global open = undefined path = '/home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/data/Collection.data' 151 pickle.dump(root, f) 152 f.close() IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/data/Collection.data' -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Permission denied error in ReckonPrimer Activity
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into an odd issue with the ReckonPrimer Activity some Austrian students have developed for our pilot project. Starting the activity works fine on just about every software version I've tried but unfortunately fails on build 767 which is the one being used in the school at the moment (yes, I'm well aware that's quite outdated hence why I'm looking forward to 11.2.0 and its German support;-). In the log it says IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/data/Collection.data' (for the complete log please see the end of this e-mail) whereby the offending function is in collection.py (.xo file available at http://derndorfer.eu/files/permanent/ReckonPrimer-7.xo): def set_data_in_pickle(self, root): Sets data in pickle file path = os.path.join(os.getcwd(), data/Collection.data) f = open(path, wb) pickle.dump(root, f) f.close() I really don't understand why this causes issues in 767 but none of the other (newer) software versions and I'd appreciate any pointers, thoughts or advice here. :-) Thanks, Christoph '/home/olpc/Activities/ReckonPrimer.activity/data/Collection.data' is not writeable with Rainbow enabled. You should be using activity.get_activity_root() instead of os.getcwd(). Walter, thanks so much for the quick reply, now everything seems to work the way it's supposed to! :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: [cc += christoph] On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 21:25 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: i think i've missed the point of all this. bernie's original mail points to the FSF rationale for GPL3 as the reason for moving sugar to GPL3, but somehow i think there must be more to it. i.e., what exactly are the arguments in favor of _sugar_ changing licenses? i have no stake in this decision at all -- i'm just wondering about the why. Sorry Paul, I had missed your reply to the list. You and Christoph asked similar questions and I'd like to answer both of them comprehensively, but tonight I'm too tired to write more than just a short summary :-) To me, the reasons already given in the GPLv3 quick guide (*) are relevant to most free software, and therefore also to Sugar. Even if some of the reasons for updating the license are of legal nature and we're not lawyers, it doesn't mean there's no tangible advantage for the project. A license is a legal document, after all, so if we're looking for technical advantages, we're simply looking in the wrong place. Christoph also asked what strategic advantages the GPLv3 would bring in the surrounding ecosystem: Sugar is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and has a strong bound with the Free Software Foundation in the form of donated hosting and infrastructure for the past 3 years. In this regard, it makes sense for us to be using the latest published version of their license. If we managed to make Sugar endorsed by the GNU project, or even make it to the high-priority free software list, this could result in extra visibility and funding for development. Currently, Sugar official releases don't even make it to the LWN announcements page, unlike tiny and obscure GNU packages such as m4 and gettext. The main point being debated in this thread is the so-called anti-TiVo clause. For people like me, it's a necessary fix to make the GPL continue to work as intended in this era of locked-down devices and laws prohibiting modifications such as the DMCA. For Martin (and Scott?) the anti-TiVo clause is overly restrictive and the manifestation of a radical political agenda. Since this is the core point of disagreement within the community, the act of accepting or rejecting the GPLv3 assumes for us the deeper meaning of refusing or endorsing TiVo-ization and DRM in conjunction with Sugar. (*) http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html Bernie, thanks a lot for your response, much appreciated. Having said that I'd be lying if I claimed to understand all the details now. Both sides of the argument seem to make some good points though without having any experience in the area nor training in the deeper legal issues I personally think it's hard if not impossible to make a call here. So what I'm more focused on at this point is the process for this decision. You started this thread by writing The oversight board is considering a motion to upgrade the license of Sugar from GPLv2 or later to GPLv3 or later. which sounds like SLOBs will be taking an executive decision on this matter, or am I misunderstanding something here? If that is indeed the case then I'd love to hear what other board members think because apart from you and Sebastian nobody has commented on this topic yet. Secondly you wrote Before proceeding to a vote, we'd like to request feedback from the community. In particular, we'd like to know how this change might affect you as a Sugar end-user, distributor, contributor or maintainer. It can be argued that contributors and maintainers have so far spoken up in this thread but users and distributors haven't. I'm not quite sure why this is the case but it's probably safe to assume that David has somewhat of a point when he says that licensing isn't necessarily on the critical path of tasks for users and deployments (which says nothing about whether licensing should or shouldn't be a critical task for Sugar Labs itself IMHO). Additionally I would suggest that reaching out to the relevant people and organisations privately, pointing them to this thread, and encouraging them to post their opinion might get some replies as not everybody follows sugar-devel and IAEP religiously. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie. You can redistribute under a license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it. But if you alter the source files or replace COPYING, you are *changing the license*. That is a different act. You are right but in practice in this case there isn't much difference. Anybody, following GPLv2, can just redistribute it under GPLv3, and you *could* track each file as to GPLv2, v3, or mixed. But that would be a lot of bureaucracy that wouldn't help anyone -- anybody interested in GPLv2 sources should just go to the last commit or release under v2. A more passive-aggressive means to your end might be to announce that SugarLabs will only accept new contributions which are licensed GPLv3+. That will effect the redistribution change you want, while still (a) pissing off parts of the community, and (b) not illegally altering the license on code you do not own. Honestly, option b is rather annoying if relevant authors/owners of the copyright aren't in agreement. But it has notthing illegal. The copyright lines are advisory only, and nonbinding. Of course, courts look unfavourably upon knowing infringers that remove (as upon anyone found hiding evidence) them but they aren't sacred in the normal course of things. Before this thread ends up something that only copyright lawyers really understand I'd like to take a step back and ask what the SLOB's rationale behind the proposed motion to move from GPLv2 to GPLv3 is? In other words: What specific advantages does GPLv3 offer for Sugar, its community and the individuals, groups, and organizations/deployments using it? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Static snapshot of the Sugar HIG
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all, I've finally uploaded a static snapshot of the Sugar HIG. The goal was to pull all the official HIG information from the wiki into a single, fixed document, so we can keep it intact for future reference while we start to rework the live wiki version with all the new design work and material generated over the last year or two! No attempt was made to pull in new Sugar material or designs, it is simply a historical reference point. I can provide an EPub version as well if needed, but I'd say pdf has wider client support at the moment (shout if there is some good reason to upload an EPub version that I've missed). The file is ~1.7MB, but could be good if you like reading from bleached, pulped trees (I've tried to give it a reasonable layout and pagination), or if you need to read it in digital format, offline, under your favourite living tree: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar_Human_Interface_Guidelines.pdf I should note that it took some time digging around the wiki version to pull all the information together, a number of the sections have graphics that fail to show when included in a page via all the nested tempting on the wiki, the wiki.sl.org version has also dropped the whole section on Activity Toolbars (wiki.lt.org has the section included OK). So you might want to take a skim through this static snapshot and see if you've missed out on any interesting items ;-) I'll try and poke the wiki version into better shape, but it might be a while before I get to it (ping me if you want me to point more clearly at the broken bits). Thanks a lot, I think this will come in handy to introduce people to some of the key concepts behind Sugar! :-) Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reasonable number of users sharing an activity instance?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@laptop.org.auwrote: Sugar doesn't seem to place any limits, so conceivably there could be 100 kids trying to access the same instance. I tried a game of Memorise on XOs in a class last week, and I saw errors such as children being able to connect to the session but not actually participate (which basically halted the game when it came to that child's turn). This can be frustrating for the children and the teacher. If we could manage their expectations, they would be much more receptive. Games in other media (board games, console games, etc.) cite a hard limit on the number of players (e.g. 2-4 players). Might it be useful for us to do that in Sugar? This could be implemented as a mere recommendation or a hard restriction in the code. Hi Sridhar, I seem to remember some discussions about an activity or its metadata specifying for how many users its made for (e.g. two users for certain activities and games). Additional users would then be able to observe the collaborative mode in some sort of view only mode. Unfortunately I now can't seem to find the appropriate e-mail threads on the lists... Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Reasonable number of users sharing an activity instance?
Am 06.04.2011 um 12:28 schrieb James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:35:49AM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: I seem to remember some discussions about an activity or its metadata specifying for how many users its made for (e.g. two users for certain activities and games). Additional users would then be able to observe the collaborative mode in some sort of view only mode. Unfortunately I now can't seem to find the appropriate e-mail threads on the lists... Perhaps you recall this meme: class MyActivity(Activity): def __init__(self, handle): Activity.__init__(self, handle) self.max_participants = 1 However, I cannot see any code in sugar-toolkit that uses the max_participants property for anything other than deciding whether to show the share-with widget. Hi James, yes, thanks, that field and the lack of code actually doing much with it was definitely a part of those discussions I'm thinking about. Christoph ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Dropbox on the XO
Hi all, thanks a lot for the replies. So I just heard back from the local project coordinator and the main motivation behind using Dropbox is syncing up files between the teacher's XO and the pupils' XOs. One of the things we've been trying to do for awhile is finding a simple way to get pupils' work of the XOs and into other systems as well as enabling them to print out the things they write, pictures they draw, photos they take, etc. If there was a simple way to do this then we'd make 25 pupils and 2 teachers very happy:-) James suggested Sugar Commander to copy the files from the dropbox folder into the Journal, having never used I'm wondering whether it's also possible to do it the other way 'round (Journal - Dropbox folder)? (since that would be the main initial use-case) As per Rudolf's comment I'm now thinking that enabling an easy-sync between the XOs and other computers they children have access to (e.g. at home) might also be an area that's worthwhile investigating. And while I agree that sugar already has many sharing features I don't think they're nearly powerful and flexible enough (which reminds of seeing the expression on Richard Smith's face when I showed him this photo from Peru - http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peruvian_pupils_ingenious_method_for_copying_songs.html - which was simply priceless;-). Cheers, Christoph On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:06:45AM -0400, Rodolfo D. Arce S. wrote: Dropbox is designed based on syncing in multiple machines, if a child has only one machine, then i don't think it to be necessary. I'd like to work on the assumption that Sugar is for a child who has at least one machine, not at most one machine. if n = 0, our software will not run; if n = 1, our software will run; if n 1, our software will still run. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Dropbox on the XO
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 01:02:46PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: James suggested Sugar Commander to copy the files from the dropbox folder into the Journal, ... Not me, probably Other James. Yes, sorry, it was James Simmons and I only realized now that his message didn't go to the list... And while I agree that sugar already has many sharing features I don't think they're nearly powerful and flexible enough (which reminds of seeing the expression on Richard Smith's face when I showed him this photo from Peru - http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peruvian_pupils_ingenious_method_for_copying_songs.html - which was simply priceless;-). Very sad. Not sure why people think it's sad. To me it really is ingenious and I loved how these pupils worked around the software limitations to achieve what they wanted. Have you actually used the feature that sends a journal entry from one laptop to another over wireless? 'Cause if you haven't used it, then perhaps you should retract your opinion until you've had a go at it. There's no point whinging about software written years ago. Sorry if I touched a soft spot here! ;-) On a more serious note I saw that my previous e-mail should read teacher's normal laptop rather than teacher's XO since the main idea is still to make it easy to print children's works. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Dropbox on the XO
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Christopher, Hi Gary, On 1 Apr 2011, at 13:01, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 01:02:46PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: James suggested Sugar Commander to copy the files from the dropbox folder into the Journal, ... Not me, probably Other James. Yes, sorry, it was James Simmons and I only realized now that his message didn't go to the list... And while I agree that sugar already has many sharing features I don't think they're nearly powerful and flexible enough (which reminds of seeing the expression on Richard Smith's face when I showed him this photo from Peru - http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peruvian_pupils_ingenious_method_for_copying_songs.html http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peruvian_pupils_ingenious_method_for_copying_songs.html - which was simply priceless;-). Very sad. Not sure why people think it's sad. To me it really is ingenious and I loved how these pupils worked around the software limitations to achieve what they wanted. Have you actually used the feature that sends a journal entry from one laptop to another over wireless? 'Cause if you haven't used it, then perhaps you should retract your opinion until you've had a go at it. There's no point whinging about software written years ago. Sorry if I touched a soft spot here! ;-) On a more serious note I saw that my previous e-mail should read teacher's normal laptop rather than teacher's XO since the main idea is still to make it easy to print children's works. I'd be happy to see a 3rd party make a nice Dropbox activity (perhaps Dropbox would consider sponsoring a dev seeing as they are a commercial service), pretty sure it is based on WebDAV so should be some standard open source projects about to build a nice focused Sugar Activity UI around. Good idea. Maybe someone really should approach Dropbox. Without getting to off-topic this is something that I've been thinking about for awhile. In the mobile space most people try to support iOS, Android, WebOS, etc. and it would be great if we could convince service providers to do something similar for the Sugar ecosystem. I wanted to raise the bandwidth issue — I do use Dropbox from time to time to share files between my iPad and PowerBook, but I find it painful having to upload and download to the Internet over broadband for more than trivial file sizes, imagine the frustration for one class full of children trying to all sync remotely with a Dropbox account. The solution really needs to use the local network e.g. as achievable via being connected to the class wireless access point, salute (not a remote network jabber server or perhaps a local XS would be OK), and using the Journal 'send to -- friend' feature. This is indeed a good point though for some reason I had thought that Dropbox is as smart as Skype and does direct file-transfer when it detects that the computers are on the same LAN... Will have to investigate this more. FWIW, I've had text chat working between XOs and iChat on a Mac, think I've seen reports of Pidgen working in Gnome as well, but not recently tried testing to see if file transfer works (it didn't used to, but a fair bit of has changed since then). That could be the area most worth some more effort and testing. Excellent point, this is an option I hadn't even considered yet! Thanks, Christoph P.S. Every time I see your name on the mailing-lists I'm reminded of the fact that we still haven't implemented the medal/awards system we discussed at Sean's apartment during Sugar Camp Paris almost two years ago... :-/ -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Dropbox on the XO
Hi Sebastian, hi James, thanks a lot for your message. I'd definitely love to look at your work when it's done as it really does sounds like a possible solution for the scenario we're looking at. Oh, and I can't wait to see the Neokinok.tv footage:-) Saludos, Christoph On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.orgwrote: Hi Christoph, We're having a similar use case in Peru at the moment. Artists from Neokinok.tv are recording with the children of the Shippibo and Aymara native communities a documentary using XOs and Record. They needed a way to copy the footage as well as other content into a central server. So I have started working with them on using and adapting http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/FileShare. We've run into some constraints like: - Having to share one file by one. (I've made a patch to share all favorites at once) http://git.sugarlabs.org/file-share-activity With a populated journal this crashes, still debugging. - The server script - we'd like it to provide feedback of successful operations and also to extract uploaded files into a regular directory (instead of .xoj journal files). For use with a regular linux desktop for editing video and material. - All children should have permission to upload to server - When testing on localhost the server errors (but doesnt seem to fail) http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2732 When I'm finished writing these patches maybe the activity will be closer to useful for your scenario as well. Let me know if you'd like me to ping you for testing it. I'm copying Justin who is the author. BTW they'll be streaming live today at 7pm EST http://experimentaltv.org/xotv or directly http://stream.neokinok.tv:8000/xotv.ogg Cheers! Sebastian El 01/04/11 07:01, Christoph Derndorfer escribió: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 01:02:46PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: James suggested Sugar Commander to copy the files from the dropbox folder into the Journal, ... Not me, probably Other James. Yes, sorry, it was James Simmons and I only realized now that his message didn't go to the list... And while I agree that sugar already has many sharing features I don't think they're nearly powerful and flexible enough (which reminds of seeing the expression on Richard Smith's face when I showed him this photo from Peru - http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peruvian_pupils_ingenious_method_for_copying_songs.html - which was simply priceless;-). Very sad. Not sure why people think it's sad. To me it really is ingenious and I loved how these pupils worked around the software limitations to achieve what they wanted. Have you actually used the feature that sends a journal entry from one laptop to another over wireless? 'Cause if you haven't used it, then perhaps you should retract your opinion until you've had a go at it. There's no point whinging about software written years ago. Sorry if I touched a soft spot here! ;-) On a more serious note I saw that my previous e-mail should read teacher's normal laptop rather than teacher's XO since the main idea is still to make it easy to print children's works. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Dropbox on the XO
Hi all, and again another question from the Austrian pilot project: Has anyone tried using Dropbox on an XO? I see that Fedora x86 packages are available on http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx and hence I assume that there shouldn't be any problems with GNOME, right? The question now is whether there's an easy way to potential have synced files also show up in the Journal? Thanks in advance, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Sugar UI Dictator
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Maybe it would be help to identify a single dictator and lieutenants Lieutenants are a good idea regardless. On the topic of lieutenants I'd also like to add that it might make sense to try and get people working in deployments to participate in that role. Walter, Bernie, Daniel, and a few others seem to be in a good position to know who one might ask here. Personally I also feel that the decision process regarding the design of new features and Sugar in general could be reworked to try and limit actual decisions to the beginning of the 6-month release cycle. Having a specific time-frame of let's say 2 to 4 weeks in which the core design-issues will be discussed and decided upon could also make it easier to attract people to fulfill the role of the friendly dictator or board. At the moment it seems like there's not enough synchronization between the various design-related efforts which then leads to many seperate ad-hoc decisions which aren't good for the overall consistency of the platform. Regarding the HIG I'd be happy to participate in some sort of sprint to update it, maybe something to plan for the time between Christmas and New Year's? Anyway, thanks to Bernie for getting this discussion started and for everyone's great input, I definitely think that things are moving into the right direction. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ ready for translating 0.90 ?
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, is the translating interface ready for the making the 0.90 translations? German translation show 100% complete for Glucose [1], but the last commit is from March. Do I miss something? Other experiences? As mentioned on the Where can I add / correct Dextrose translations thread I'm also not aware of how/where I can add new and update incorrect translations for Dextrose... :-/ Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 01:52 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: If I remember correctly I had set up XS 0.5 at the school, how would I find out whether the backups were made and if so how do I restore them to the XOs after I install Dextrose on them? Log into the schoolserver and check what's in /library/users. If you see directories named after the serial numbers of laptops, you know that backups have been running. Will do, thanks. The laptops need to register themselves with the schoolserver before they can do backups. Before Dextrose, registration was kind of tricky due to several bugs in Sugar. Okay, I'll keep my fingers crossed that I actually registered the XOs with the schoolserver when I set everything up 1 1/2 years ago... ;-) Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 01:52, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Forwarded Message From: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org To: Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com Cc: dextr...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org, christoph.derndor...@olpc.at Subject: Re: [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:01:04 +0200 On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 18:45 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: as previously mentioned to Bernie I'm thinking about using the international spin of Dextrose on the 25 XO-1s that we're using in our Austrian pilot project. IIRC correctly those XO-1s are currently running 802 and now I was wondering whether there was a way to upgrade them to Dextrose without erasing the Journal (e.g. something like olpc-update but using Dextrose rather OLPC's 10.1.2). For the first upgrade in Paraguay, we used two very simple shell scripts to backup the journal to a tarball on a usb stick. The procedure was somewhat cumbersome: 1) plug in usb stick 2) open terminal 3) /media/USBSTICK/backup_script 4) wait 5) cleanly unmount usb stick 6) reboot 7) flash 8) boot into sugar 9) open terminal 10) /media/USBSTICK/restore_script Thanks a lot for these instructions. Of course, we did this only for specific laptops where the user wanted to preserve information. Many users were perfectly with erasing their journal completely. Some kids asked to save only one or two files. If you have a schoolserver, then you should already have daily backups even with 802. You're just missing a restore function. Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. If I remember correctly I had set up XS 0.5 at the school, how would I find out whether the backups were made and if so how do I restore them to the XOs after I install Dextrose on them? There's quite a bit of info here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:SchoolServer The closest documentation for what I want to do is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_backup_restore#XO-initiated_full_restore but I'm not sure I fully understand it. Basically I need to find out the backup dir for each laptop via an HTTP GET, then rsync on tht dir 3 times and then rebuild the metadata, right? Almost sounds like Bernie's 10 step tarball approach is actually easier here... :-/ Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
Esteban, so is this a step I would need to do after following Bernie's 10 point procedure to backup the Journal onto a USB flash drive? Thanks, Christoph On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Esteban Arias ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uywrote: Christoph! you can migrate datastore 0.82 to 0.88. You need to remove the datastore content for 0.88. (/home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/*) And copy the directory /home/olpc/.sugar/datastore/store for 0.82 to this path on 0.88 then restart. 2010/9/13 Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org We have not tried that yet, but dextrose provides a backup/restore to usb stick option that you might find useful. On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:45:22 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, as previously mentioned to Bernie I'm thinking about using the international spin of Dextrose on the 25 XO-1s that we're using in our Austrian pilot project. IIRC correctly those XO-1s are currently running 802 and now I was wondering whether there was a way to upgrade them to Dextrose without erasing the Journal (e.g. something like olpc-update but using Dextrose rather OLPC's 10.1.2). Thanks, Christoph ___ Dextrose mailing list dextr...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/dextrose -- Esteban Arias Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 E-mail : ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of Mon Sep 13 18:45:22 +0200 2010: IIRC correctly those XO-1s are currently running 802 and now I was wondering whether there was a way to upgrade them to Dextrose without erasing the Journal (e.g. something like olpc-update but using Dextrose rather OLPC's 10.1.2). If you have a USB stick or SD card, you could run Backup [1] and Restore [2] prior to resp. after the reflash. Sascha [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4326 [2] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4327 Excellent stuff! I hadn't been aware of these Activities... Thanks a lot, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
Hi all, as previously mentioned to Bernie I'm thinking about using the international spin of Dextrose on the 25 XO-1s that we're using in our Austrian pilot project. IIRC correctly those XO-1s are currently running 802 and now I was wondering whether there was a way to upgrade them to Dextrose without erasing the Journal (e.g. something like olpc-update but using Dextrose rather OLPC's 10.1.2). Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Question about upgrading from 802 to Dextrose
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote:
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Dextrose
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:01:04 +0200
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 18:45 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
as previously mentioned to Bernie I'm thinking about using the
international spin of Dextrose on the 25 XO-1s that we're using in
our
Austrian pilot project.
IIRC correctly those XO-1s are currently running 802 and now I was
wondering whether there was a way to upgrade them to Dextrose without
erasing the Journal (e.g. something like olpc-update but using
Dextrose rather OLPC's 10.1.2).
For the first upgrade in Paraguay, we used two very simple shell
scripts
to backup the journal to a tarball on a usb stick.
The procedure was somewhat cumbersome:
1) plug in usb stick
2) open terminal
3) /media/USBSTICK/backup_script
4) wait
5) cleanly unmount usb stick
6) reboot
7) flash
8) boot into sugar
9) open terminal
10) /media/USBSTICK/restore_script
Thanks a lot for these instructions.
Of course, we did this only for specific laptops where the user wanted
to preserve information. Many users were perfectly with erasing their
journal completely. Some kids asked to save only one or two files.
If you have a schoolserver, then you should already have daily backups
even with 802. You're just missing a restore function.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.
If I remember correctly I had set up XS 0.5 at the school, how would I find
out whether the backups were made and if so how do I restore them to the XOs
after I install Dextrose on them?
Thanks again for all your help,
Christoph
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[Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users
Hi, I just created a new ticket (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2292) to get some discussions started on what changes need to be made to Sugar to work well in an environment where multiple users will work on the same machine (which is how Peru's next 300,000 XOs will be used: http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/peru/peru_between_one_laptop_per_child_and_seven_children_per_laptop.html ). Obviously this touches upon a lot of areas from simple naming of the machine, over the Journal, backups and probably a whole host of other issues that I haven't though of yet. (Additionally it also ties in to the ongoing reorganise home menu discussion: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1206;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC question
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote: On 25 August 2010 19:44, samir menon menon.sa...@gmail.com wrote: So I have hearing a lot about Google Summer of Code on the mailing list (specifically,, Dinko Galetic's project!) What happens when they finish their project? Do the projects (read: Dinko's project) get submitted as a patch for the respective activity (read: Pippy)? Or is the project just for their personal learning experience? I checked Dinko's email, but the attached files didn't seem to be written in python...Are theyhosted somewhere else? Any clarification would be very much appreciated, It is up to the individual maintainers whether or not they merge the work done by students over GSoC. Is there any page on the wiki where I can find out what was achieved by this year's GSoC projects? Looking at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code and its sub-pages I also have a hard time figuring out which projects were actually worked on... Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Corrected instructions re Spellchecker in Write-63
Hi there, sorry for the delay in getting back to you but I finally had time to follow the steps you mentioned and it works great! The only thing I haven't figured out is what the dlgSpell mapping does since I can't really see a difference in the UI... Last but not least I was wondering whether there was a way to use languages other than English for the spellchecker? When I switch Sugar's language to Spanish on build 852 the spellchecker seems to be deactivated from what I can tell. Cheers, Christoph On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:13 AM, rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: Christoph, I fixed a copy and paste error in my previous email. To reveal the spelling checker popup menu open a terminal session and use vi to edit /home/olpc/Activities/Write.activity/keybindings.xml change the line unbind-mappings handler=contextMisspellTest / to !--unbind-mappings handler=contextMisspellTest /-- and if you want to reveal the Spelling dialog access on the menu change unbind-mappings handler=dlgSpell / to !--unbind-mappings handler=dlgSpell /-- rihowa...@gmail.com linux - the best things in life are free On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Since this topic came again up while talking to someone who is working on a smaller deployment in Central America I was wondering whether anybody here knows whether the lack of being able to use the spellchecker is indeed a bug or intended to be like this? Cheers, Christoph On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, while writing an article on the XO-1.5 (build 851, Write-63) I realized that wrongly spelled words were being underlined with red yet there was no way to access the traditional suggestions menu with a right-click or something. I also didn't find any functionality on the tabs that make use of the spellchecker. Am I missing something here or does Write include a spellchecker that's really not quite as powerful and useful as it could be? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
