[freenet-support] (new) user feedback
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:22:20PM +, Volodya wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of > > technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized > > crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and > > partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer > > social networking sites. > > Actually one of the things we considered was making it non-centralised. Since > no radical > person would want to store their social network on the external server... > getting them to > put it on their computer would be problematic, but asking them to "login and > provide names > of your friends" is impossible. 100% agreed! Post on -chat if you ever get something like this off the ground. It's such a pain to run a web server as a regular netizen, thanks to all the NATs and thanks to the hacks we have to do to work around them which are either themselves centralized or unreliable... :<< (See the current thread on devl) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20070305/73b6099d/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] (new) user feedback
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Toseland wrote: > In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of > technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized > crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and > partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer > social networking sites. Actually one of the things we considered was making it non-centralised. Since no radical person would want to store their social network on the external server... getting them to put it on their computer would be problematic, but asking them to "login and provide names of your friends" is impossible. - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF7JgcuWy2EFICg+0RAlncAKCukzVpzARp86UxKuUD6ptv/VWrcgCgvahO PxUh/gVxryercyyxfeNdpOs= =BSri -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[freenet-support] Installation
Try again (get a new copy of the installer), nextgens fixed the installer. On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:19:39PM -, Michael Garlick wrote: > I've tried to install Freenet three times now. > > After "Setting Up Plug-Ins" > > > > The following is displayed: > > > > "Detecting tcp port availability" > > "Downloading update.cmd" > > "Downloading freenet-ext.jar" > > "Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar" > > "Installing the wrapper" > > "Registering Freenet as a system service" > > wrapper | Freenet 0.7 darknet---- installed. > > The Freenet 0.7 darknet- service is starting... > > The Freenet 0.7 darknet- service could not be started. > > > > A system error has occurred. > > > > System error 1067 has occurred. > > > > The process terminated unexpectedly. > > > > Can anyone give me a solution to the above problem? > > > > Thanks Mike > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ------ next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20070305/4a06bb57/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] (new) user feedback
In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer social networking sites. On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 09:57:40PM +, Volodya wrote: > > I have discussed with some coders an idea of creating a 'radical' friendship > network (sort > of like hi5 or myspace, without any 'fancy' and stupid shit), but we > currently don't have > time to dedicate to it. If that would happen, then rest assured that you'll > have "freenet > connection" option there, to allow people that are already in your network to > connect to > each other. This would have to be Ian's and toad's wet dream, since it would > generate the > proper f2f network. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20070305/f179a55c/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] (new) user feedback
Hi there, i used 'heavy' to describe the node update process a whole --> IRC connections & VS auto-update from nodes to nodes (+ a web site where people might catch/put their node id to get an entry point) concerning your bot particularly, well it is far better than manual update of course, but the looks is still very 'underground' geek programming. nowadays a GUI is a must (even if not necessary) to the dumb-end-user!!! i don't know maybe a web/html front page interfacing your refbot.py would be (nice&easy) enough?? but to me the 'heavy' pb is from the update process itself... may the 'ubuntu'(*) be with you!! have a good day, brice (*) the concept not the distro On 3/5/07, David Sowder (Zothar) wrote: > > Anonymous Coward wrote: > > as 'feedback is the breakfast of champions - the one minute manager' > > here is some: > > > > freenet concept is great and thanks for bringing it to us > > > > > > the 0.7 freenet experience is pretty tricky to the user: > > good points: > > -WEB interfaces to config the freenet is really good > > -WEB access are really faster than w the 0.5 > > > > bad points: > > -node management is really manual, i mean it's a pain-in-the-glass to > > connect IRC, exchange then exchange, > > exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,... that's not > > great. even using the refbot.py is heavy (my point of view) > Any ideas on how using refbot.py could be made less heavy? > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20070305/e438e469/attachment.html>
Re: [freenet-support] (new) user feedback
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:22:20PM +, Volodya wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of > > technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized > > crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and > > partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer > > social networking sites. > > Actually one of the things we considered was making it non-centralised. Since > no radical > person would want to store their social network on the external server... > getting them to > put it on their computer would be problematic, but asking them to "login and > provide names > of your friends" is impossible. 100% agreed! Post on -chat if you ever get something like this off the ground. It's such a pain to run a web server as a regular netizen, thanks to all the NATs and thanks to the hacks we have to do to work around them which are either themselves centralized or unreliable... :<< (See the current thread on devl) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] (new) user feedback
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Toseland wrote: > In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of > technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized > crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and > partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer > social networking sites. Actually one of the things we considered was making it non-centralised. Since no radical person would want to store their social network on the external server... getting them to put it on their computer would be problematic, but asking them to "login and provide names of your friends" is impossible. - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF7JgcuWy2EFICg+0RAlncAKCukzVpzARp86UxKuUD6ptv/VWrcgCgvahO PxUh/gVxryercyyxfeNdpOs= =BSri -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Installation
Try again (get a new copy of the installer), nextgens fixed the installer. On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:19:39PM -, Michael Garlick wrote: > I've tried to install Freenet three times now. > > After "Setting Up Plug-Ins" > > > > The following is displayed: > > > > "Detecting tcp port availability" > > "Downloading update.cmd" > > "Downloading freenet-ext.jar" > > "Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar" > > "Installing the wrapper" > > "Registering Freenet as a system service" > > wrapper | Freenet 0.7 darknet---- installed. > > The Freenet 0.7 darknet- service is starting... > > The Freenet 0.7 darknet- service could not be started. > > > > A system error has occurred. > > > > System error 1067 has occurred. > > > > The process terminated unexpectedly. > > > > Can anyone give me a solution to the above problem? > > > > Thanks Mike > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] (new) user feedback
Brice Neant wrote: > as 'feedback is the breakfast of champions - the one minute manager' > here is some: > > freenet concept is great and thanks for bringing it to us > > > the 0.7 freenet experience is pretty tricky to the user: > good points: > -WEB interfaces to config the freenet is really good > -WEB access are really faster than w the 0.5 > > bad points: > -node management is really manual, i mean it's a pain-in-the-glass to > connect IRC, exchange then exchange, > exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,... that's not > great. even using the refbot.py is heavy (my point of view) Any ideas on how using refbot.py could be made less heavy?
Re: [freenet-support] (new) user feedback
In a nasty centralised way of course, but with the current state of technology and deployment ALL social networking is nasty centralized crap - partly because of NATs, partly because of business models, and partly because nobody has got around to implementing good peer to peer social networking sites. On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 09:57:40PM +, Volodya wrote: > > I have discussed with some coders an idea of creating a 'radical' friendship > network (sort > of like hi5 or myspace, without any 'fancy' and stupid shit), but we > currently don't have > time to dedicate to it. If that would happen, then rest assured that you'll > have "freenet > connection" option there, to allow people that are already in your network to > connect to > each other. This would have to be Ian's and toad's wet dream, since it would > generate the > proper f2f network. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] (new) user feedback
Hi there, i used 'heavy' to describe the node update process a whole --> IRC connections & VS auto-update from nodes to nodes (+ a web site where people might catch/put their node id to get an entry point) concerning your bot particularly, well it is far better than manual update of course, but the looks is still very 'underground' geek programming. nowadays a GUI is a must (even if not necessary) to the dumb-end-user!!! i don't know maybe a web/html front page interfacing your refbot.py would be (nice&easy) enough?? but to me the 'heavy' pb is from the update process itself... may the 'ubuntu'(*) be with you!! have a good day, brice (*) the concept not the distro On 3/5/07, David Sowder (Zothar) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brice Neant wrote: > as 'feedback is the breakfast of champions - the one minute manager' > here is some: > > freenet concept is great and thanks for bringing it to us > > > the 0.7 freenet experience is pretty tricky to the user: > good points: > -WEB interfaces to config the freenet is really good > -WEB access are really faster than w the 0.5 > > bad points: > -node management is really manual, i mean it's a pain-in-the-glass to > connect IRC, exchange then exchange, > exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,... that's not > great. even using the refbot.py is heavy (my point of view) Any ideas on how using refbot.py could be made less heavy? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] (new) user feedback
Brice Neant wrote: > as 'feedback is the breakfast of champions - the one minute manager' > here is some: > > freenet concept is great and thanks for bringing it to us > > > the 0.7 freenet experience is pretty tricky to the user: > good points: > -WEB interfaces to config the freenet is really good > -WEB access are really faster than w the 0.5 > > bad points: > -node management is really manual, i mean it's a pain-in-the-glass to > connect IRC, exchange then exchange, > exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,exchange,... that's not > great. even using the refbot.py is heavy (my point of view) Any ideas on how using refbot.py could be made less heavy? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
