Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus schrieb: Martin Freitag wrote: Rufus schrieb: Martin Freitag wrote: Afaik Mail/News does not execute Javacript in SM2, so you turn it on/off for the browser individually ;-) Yes - that's my point. There are some digital art groups I subscribe to where I'd like to have it on...SM 1.1.18 allowed me to choose - now I can't. You're saying you really getting Mails with Javascripts? I never saw that. What are those scripts doing in an email? not knowing just what form of encryption is being applied where and to what Browser? MailNews? Password and Forms Managers, and when storing or retaining PII in general - it was pretty clear in the past that SM 1.1.x was using strong 128 bit encryption for Password storage...in 2.x.x they dropped the notification text from the dialog, and when it comes to encryption I never assume anything - other than that if you don't specifically tell me otherwise I assume that I'm vulnerable. Hum, okay I never noticed that, I guess that could easily be fixed once a bug is filed. That's the most notable one - though I recently discovered (last night) that there's some funkiness going on with the Customization of the Taskbars too - if you select use small icons it changes both the Navigation and Personal Taskbars to small. If you then select use large icons it changes both the Navigation and Personal Taskbars to large. I cannot confirm that: http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8031/smtoolbarsmall.png http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/340/smtoolbarbig.png Tried several times, no problems switching individually. Only thing I noticed it that the personal bar won't get bigger, no matter what setting is being chosen. And I found I could only right-click up a contextual menu if I right clicked in the Navigation Taskbar - that was the confusing part; I should have been able to select either independently, I would think. That's intuitive. It is, it says settings-bla for _this_ bar and (at last for me) it behaves that way, too. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
NFN Smith wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:28:27 -0700, NFN Smith wrote: snip I have seen the discussion relating to Coral IETab, and I've played with that briefly on a test configuration. Objectively, I would love to see a way to get the necessary plugin support enabled, as I do think that helps with long-term use of Seamonkey (where it's possible to get to IE on the occasions that's needed). Given that SeaMonkey has a little more of an enterprise focus that TB/FF, to some measure, I think that SeaMonkey users may be more likely to bump into sites that require IE, and having the ability to call IE from inside SeaMonkey would allow for use SeaMonkey when they want, without having to do a separate launch of IE for the sites that require IE. Smith Not that I've ever used IE Tab or Coral IE Tab but just sitting here reading, I'm thinking Do those that use these extensions ever bother to contact the site to say My SeaMonkey doesn't work with your site because your site is poorly coded!. Then I thought Wouldn't it be possible to have this function built into the Extension?? so that it happens automatically! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
installationproblem with 2.0 and 2.0.1
I realized that Seamonkey 2.0 and 2.01 behaves different than previous versions during installation. It does not simply overwrite the previous version but installes another file under programme/seamonkey. The previous versions have been installed at programme/mozilla.org/seamonkey. When I simply install it, Seamonkey 2.0 does not find my data. But it does not either when I install user defined under mozilla.org. Even importing data is not possible because 2.0.1 cannot not find them. Can anyone give me an instruction how to install seamonkey 2.0.1? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: installationproblem with 2.0 and 2.0.1
Klaus Weber schrieb: I realized that Seamonkey 2.0 and 2.01 behaves different than previous versions during installation. It does not simply overwrite the previous version but installes another file under programme/seamonkey. The previous versions have been installed at programme/mozilla.org/seamonkey. When I simply install it, Seamonkey 2.0 does not find my data. But it does not either when I install user defined under mozilla.org. Even importing data is not possible because 2.0.1 cannot not find them. Can anyone give me an instruction how to install seamonkey 2.0.1? When the migration wizard does not show up after installing SM2 to a new directory, you can try to invoke it manually: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.asciiribbon.org/index-de.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0 problem
I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was also gone. I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on and start all over again with my research. Bummer! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Daniel wrote: Not that I've ever used IE Tab or Coral IE Tab but just sitting here reading, I'm thinking Do those that use these extensions ever bother to contact the site to say My SeaMonkey doesn't work with your site because your site is poorly coded!. Then I thought Wouldn't it be possible to have this function built into the Extension?? so that it happens automatically! That would be nice. I do use PrefBar, although it's very rare these days that I bump into a site that requires me to do spoofing. When that does happen, I generally squawk at the site owner. I've seen a number of sites that say they want Firefox (but accept SeaMonkey). The ones that really irk me are the ones that say they want Netscape 6. To me, that's indicative of an IE-centric developer, who supports something else because he has to, but doesn't really care to make the effort to do it. Beyond that, for the sites that insist on Firefox as the alternative to IE, for a lot, it seems to be that many haven't bothered to differentiate between the browser itself and the rendering engine, and for those who do, it would seem that many may presume that non-technical users neither know nor want to know the difference -- it's easier just to say Firefox as the majority option, rather than an XUL browser. If it's any consolation to us SeaMonkey users, I presume that Camino users have the same issue. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 problem
Billy wrote: I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was also gone. I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on and start all over again with my research. Bummer! Unless you deliberately, manually, removed your old profile, it is still there, but apparently did not get migrated when you first started SM2 (you'll find a number of other instances of this occurring if you do a little searching in this newsgroup). You just need to find it. You might try re-installing the previous version of Seamonkey: it should find and use your old profile. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: inhibit asking for plugins
Leonidas Jones schrieb: I'm not seeing this, however, Chatzilla, the IRC chat client, which useful for accessing developer discussions, and test days, among other things, and the DOM inspector, which is useful for troubleshooting, are both pre-installed extensions as a part of the suite. If you prefer not to use these components, they can be removed via Tools??Addons. Hi Lee, i found it and told SM to deinstall. No i hope it will do as promissed ;-) Thank You -- Liebe Grüße, Gerd Satelliten FAQ, PC-Tipps, Katzen, Mopped, Garten, Heimwerken: http://www.satgerd.de/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer
MCBastos wrote: Again, it's a matter of manpower. SM *was* going somewhat independently from Firefox for the last few years, on the 1.1 branch -- and what was the result? The rendering engine was looking more and more dated every day, ditto for the Javascript engine and other core stuff. That had nothing to do with using XPFE instead of toolkit, though. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to import seamonkey 1.x to Seamonkey 2.0
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:24:31 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: That's a good idea,... but what programming knowledge is required to help ? (if we don't have it , should we learn it ? (i have knowledge of cobol, fortran, rpg, Linc-4GL, VisualBasic4.0, DMSII, UPL SDL, Mainframes-Harware, MCPII ... would this help ?) When I first started contributing to Flashblock, not even to SeaMonkey (or Mozilla Suite at that time) the languages I knew were RPG III, PL/SQL, xBase (Clipper, FoxPro, xHarbour), a bit of TurboPascal, FORTRAN, COBOL. At university I learnt Algol68 and BCPL. Fast forward five years later and I've suddenly become the Flashblock owner *and* am listed as a active SeaMonkey developer. Go figure. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Don't crij... You can format drive C:, can't you? * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 problem
On 12/22/2009 5:10 AM, Billy wrote: I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was also gone. I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on and start all over again with my research. Bummer! All of your address books, e-mail, settings, etc. are stored in your Profile. None of the instructions should have told you to delete your profile. It sounds more like you installed SM 2.0 and your SM 1.1.X profile was not migrated properly. When you run SM 2.0, you won't see any of your personal data, and this can look shocking. Assuming you're willing to work with the folks here trying to help (your message implies otherwise), then just ask and see who can help. Best of luck. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
NFN Smith wrote: Daniel wrote: it's easier just to say Firefox as the majority option, rather than an XUL browser. A web browser doesn't need to use XUL to use the Gecko rendering engine. Look at K-Meleon for a good example. I think Camino doesn't use XUL either. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web Developer Toolbar question
»Q« wrote: With Firefox, the Web Developer Toolbar extension provides a toolbar button which can be used to hide/unhide the WDT. With SeaMonkey 2.0.1, I don't see that button available in the Customize dialog. I'll take this to the author's registration-required web forum, but first I thought I'd check here to see if it's just something peculiar to my system. You are correct, there is no button. I wish there was, and it shouldn't be too big a deal for Chris to add, one would think. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Change font/font size in Seamonkey2.0
Hi, up to now i run SM1.1.18 under eCS2.0RC6a and tried to see how SM2.0 is usable for me. I am disappointed concerning windows display. The font size used are to large to describe the buttons and all other stuff including contents of some windows. My old window size is mostly to small to keep the text. The used times roman font is also not my favorite. My question is: how can i modify or add which statements to about:config to adapt SM2.0 to look like SM1.1.18. Thanks and have a nice day. Karl ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Change font/font size in Seamonkey2.0
Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:11:01 +0100, /Karl/:
up to now i run SM1.1.18 under eCS2.0RC6a and tried to see how SM2.0 is
usable for me. I am disappointed concerning windows display. The font
size used are to large to describe the buttons and all other stuff
including contents of some windows. My old window size is mostly to
small to keep the text. The used times roman font is also not my favorite.
Where's the times roman font used - in Web content or in the
SeaMonkey UI?
My question is: how can i modify or add which statements to about:config
to adapt SM2.0 to look like SM1.1.18.
The Mozilla theme engine should pick the settings from the
underlying system UI, but I really don't know what's the state with
OS/2 (isn't eCS2.0 basically the same?) - whether there's an
implementation for it. I guess you could ask the folks over in the
mozilla.dev.ports.os2 group.
In any case, you could customize the UI appearance through your
userChrome.css. You could experiment with the following style rules:
window {
font: 9px sans-serif !important;
}
dialog, wizard, page {
font: 9px sans-serif !important;
}
button, toolbar, .toolbar-holder, toolbarbutton, tree {
font: inherit !important;
}
statusbar, tooltip {
font: 9px sans-serif !important;
}
You may also try using system font keywords [1], like:
dialog, wizard, page {
font: message-box !important;
}
But I guess these should already be employed by the Classic
SeaMonkey theme and if you get only times roman then they are not
accessible from the underlying system UI through the theme engine,
and the engine is falling back to some default (times roman).
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#x11
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How to disable PDF files inline when Sending (Not Forwarding)
I just sent an email (SM 2.0.1) with a PDF file as an attachment. The recipient gets a 7 page email containing PDF code and also receives the PDF as an attachment. The header of the email shows Content Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=090302010906030408030600 but I think it should show Content Type: attachment/file or some such. I have Preferences, Mail Newsgroup Composition Forward Messages check As Attached. That may work for forwarding messages but what about sending messages? How do I make sending a file as an attachment as the default.? Anything in About:config that can fix this? I have both Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended and Acrobat Reader 9.0 installed. I don't know if that may be screwing things up. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.1 upgrade
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: ...not just Sno-Lep. For any install of SM on a Mac you just drag the app from the disk image to where you want it. So I'm left thinking that a truly clean install on a Mac would require wiping out everything associated with SM by using a third party app like App Delete. Which would of course mean you'd also be deleting all of your previous Profile and Pref information. I'm talking about install of Snow leopard system from the DVD. Most all applications either install from a dmg file , Pkg install or drag from dmg to appropriate folder. If you leave the old application in the applications folder (Directory) it will ask if you wish to replace and older version If you move old app to Trash you don't get this message. ...oh, I thought you were talking about a clean install of SM or other apps. As for Mac OS system upgrades, I've always just installed them over the existing system and never had any issues. I do the Repair Permissions dance both before and after system upgrade/install, but other than that nothing special. In previous installs to Snow Leopard You were asked to do either a clean install or Archive and Install, or install over previous install I tried installing X.4 over 3 and never could not get it to work finally I had to use the option of archive and install. I think I've only ever done an Archive and Install once, and I can't remember what the reason was...I must have been troubleshooting something. I installed Sno-Lep right over Lep on my Intel iMac, and Lep right over 10.5.x on my G5 iMac. Which I sort of wish I hadn't done now...I should have partitioned that drive an created a tri-boot capable machine, or dual boot at the very least. I still have uses for OS 9, so one of these days I'll clone that drive, partition, and do the dance to at least make it dual boot. You considered the possibility of using SheepShaver runs OS 9 on Intel machines. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to disable PDF files inline when Sending (Not Forwarding)
Arnie Goetchius wrote: I just sent an email (SM 2.0.1) with a PDF file as an attachment. The recipient gets a 7 page email containing PDF code and also receives the PDF as an attachment. The header of the email shows Content Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=090302010906030408030600 but I think it should show Content Type: attachment/file or some such. I have Preferences, Mail Newsgroup Composition Forward Messages check As Attached. That may work for forwarding messages but what about sending messages? How do I make sending a file as an attachment as the default.? Anything in About:config that can fix this? I have both Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended and Acrobat Reader 9.0 installed. I don't know if that may be screwing things up. Preferences Mail newsgroups Send make sure to have checked the first Item ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose format) either choose HTML or Plain Text but not both. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to import seamonkey 1.x to Seamonkey 2.0
Does this mean that, it is eventually the end of all 1.x mail? What about all my filters? Stored Passwords? etc I use this in a corporate environment and it is going to be very painful to tell everyone that this is now the end of their email and they will have to completely start from scratch setting up everything. I think it is a bit irresponsible to just drop all users on the path to 2.0. Sure it is trivial for me to write a bash script to do all you mention below but I am not so sure it will be easy to decipher how to create the same user accounts and folders on 2.0 before the script is used for the migration. And how about filters? Can anyone tell me if filters can be imported? This is pretty serious as they work really great for me as I currently filter on one account and copy the filters to all user accounts which works very nicely. Almost no spam. If full import from 1.9 to 2.0 is not possible, anyone interested in forking development along 1.x ? I guess it will be only us Linux users who want to fork as on Win you lose your data typically within a year anyway, so 2.0 makes more sense for windows. Martin Freitag wrote: No real solution but a possible workaround: - set up new email-accounts like they were im SM1, close SM2 - copy the old mailbox-files (inbox, sent,...) to the new profile over the new empty files. - restart SM2 regards Martin ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...
Hello! I have SM2 configured to keep the last eight (8) days for the Web sites I visited: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9133/screenshotm.gif ... I notice it kept since day 1 (11/26/2009) of SM v2.0.0 on both my Linux/Debian and Windows XP boxes. What's up? Is this a bug, I misconfigured, or missed an option? Thank you in advance. :) -- No, I'd prefer a cooler WITHOUT an ant-door, thank you... --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
»Q« wrote: In news:cfadnyjlv636srlwnz2dnuvz_hidn...@mozilla.org, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:j7qdntbkupghy7pwnz2dnuvz_uwdn...@mozilla.org, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: The form manager feature of SeaMonkey 1.x isn't in SM 2.0.x because the codebase which supports it has been abandoned by the people working on Mozilla core code. Polling users wouldn't make those people re-implement it for the newer codebase, and the SeaMonkey team hasn't (yet) been able to do that themselves. ...so, what you've just told me is that the Form Manager doesn't have a snowball's chance of coming back. That's not at all what I've just told you or even based on what I've just told you. You must have some other reason for thinking there will never again be a form manager in SeaMonkey. ...you used the words abandoned and core. That means no, as far as I'm concerned. You're right that no one will revive the Mozilla 1.8 code, but that certainly doesn't mean that SeaMonkey will never again have a forms manager. ...but as the project is staffed, you can't really tell me when it will...I've been hearing nothing but we don't have someone to work that as opposed to how it could be worked. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
yahoo mail
Anyone remember what the server details are to get mail from yahoo into a seamonkey account? Years ago yahoo was still pop based, but I cannot find any details lately. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to disable PDF files inline when Sending (Not Forwarding)
Phillip Jones wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: I just sent an email (SM 2.0.1) with a PDF file as an attachment. The recipient gets a 7 page email containing PDF code and also receives the PDF as an attachment. The header of the email shows Content Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=090302010906030408030600 but I think it should show Content Type: attachment/file or some such. I have Preferences, Mail Newsgroup Composition Forward Messages check As Attached. That may work for forwarding messages but what about sending messages? How do I make sending a file as an attachment as the default.? Anything in About:config that can fix this? I have both Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended and Acrobat Reader 9.0 installed. I don't know if that may be screwing things up. Preferences Mail newsgroups Send make sure to have checked the first Item ask me what to do (Mail prompts you to choose format) either choose HTML or Plain Text but not both. I checked the first choice but (1) Mail still does not prompt me and (2) I still get the pdf showing inline. See below for a snippet: test pdf accbill.pdf %PDF-1.6 %âãÏÓ 7 0 obj endobj 13 0 obj /Filter/FlateDecode/ID[098692A93BD42C4DA1EB4A755AC6744A098692A93BD42C4DA1EB4A755AC6744A]/Index[7 8]/Info 6 0 R/Length 40/Prev 27093/Root 8 0 R/Size 15/Type/XRef/W[1 2 0]stream hÞbbd`b`Òcb`°ab`\¤21XË21 š ä;�+0Ê endstream endobj startxref 0 %%EOF 14 0 obj stream hÞb```a``üÌ�© ˜€……Á ø$øæKǃxÌ ‡%€4#¿0�·z endstream endobj 8 0 obj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Rufus wrote: A two year cycle is about standard for what I do, and what I manage is WAY more complex than something like SM...the short cycle model works just fine for security and under the hood fixes, the long cycle model works better for major interface changes. You just have more or less said that what you work on is not in the slightest way related with the Internet. In this place, a few weeks or months can mean life or death for a software project. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
NoOp wrote: On 12/21/2009 11:12 AM, Rufus wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Rufus schrieb: Just been looking over the user options between the two, and I have to say that as far as the user is concerned, 1.1.18 had/has far more user flexibility for configuration, far more informative dialog boxes, buttons I could actually use, and with few exceptions behaved as I wanted it to... Which configuration options and buttons are missing for you now? Have you filed enhancements bugs for them? Martin Not being able to turn Javascript on for the Browser or Mail/News individually, not knowing just what form of encryption is being applied where and to what, smaller non-user friendly buttons, no Forms Manager...to name a few. about:config javascript.allow.mailnews;false set to true. All that is well and good, but far more than an average user should have to do. It's most grievous example of a user selection which was there previously and removed that I can think of - and such a simple one at that. I understand the risks involved with fooling around with about:config if one doesn't know what one is doing...workarounds are fine for experienced users, but not for the masses. You might want to look into prefbar; it essentially is a front end (and more) to about:config settings. You can add your own buttons, and could add a button to toggle that setting with a single click. http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ It's the first thing that I install in SeaMonkey. Also see: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/help/ I'm not in the habit of using plugins, but Prefbar looks like it may have some merit...for other reasons than just the Mail/News script control. Thanks. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What is mozilla-temporary-internal-MDN-receipt-filter?
I noticed a new rule appeared by itself on top of my email rules, for all accounts. It's called mozilla-temporary-internal-MDN-receipt-filter, and checks the X-Yahoo-Forwarded heading for the values multipart/report and disposition-notification. If either is found, it moves the message to the sent folder. There's also a similar rule called SpamAssassinYes that checks the same heading for Yes and for spam on the message title, and if so, moves the message to the spam folder. Now, the second rule *seems* to have something to do with the trust SpamAssassin headers option... but I can't figure what added the first one. Maybe it was the Mail Redirect extension? Another funny thing with this is I think I already used the trust SpamAssassin thing back in 1.1.x, but I don't remember any extra rules (and I do fiddle with my mail rules in a regular basis). Were those two hidden rules that now in version 2 became visible? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #390: Increased sunspot activity. * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus wrote: A two year cycle is about standard for what I do, and what I manage is WAY more complex than something like SM...the short cycle model works just fine for security and under the hood fixes, the long cycle model works better for major interface changes. You just have more or less said that what you work on is not in the slightest way related with the Internet. In this place, a few weeks or months can mean life or death for a software project. Robert Kaiser Exactly...which is why I'm so puzzled at the intransigence of some of the people on the team when I read the bug reports. I would have expected the team to be far more flexible and responsive to user feedback...particularly in light of what has been said about not allowing the project to die. Where is the teams sense of urgency? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Leonidas Jones wrote: [JS in MailNews] As I am sure you know, but for those who do not, in about:config: javascript.allow.mailnews Set to true. That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Javascript.allow.mailnews The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280 HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Jens Hatlak wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: [JS in MailNews] As I am sure you know, but for those who do not, in about:config: javascript.allow.mailnews Set to true. That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Javascript.allow.mailnews The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280 HTH Jens I guess this doesn't surprise me. Just one more example of the interface not being in step with the code...now I can't trust what I see in about:config or what it actually does either? Thanks. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Using firefox add-ons...
Since the code is getting to be very similar, are we going to be able to get firefox add-ons, e.g., autofill forms? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...
Ant wrote: I have SM2 configured to keep the last eight (8) days for the Web sites I visited: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9133/screenshotm.gif ... I notice it kept since day 1 (11/26/2009) of SM v2.0.0 on both my Linux/Debian and Windows XP boxes. What's up? Is this a bug, I misconfigured, or missed an option? You told SeaMonkey to always keep history entries for the last eight days and allowed it to delete history entries that are older when the maximum number of visited pages (in your case 40,000) has been reached. To achieve what you want you should set the maximum number of visited pages to zero. That should have the desired effect since the first pref (Always remember...) takes precedence over the other two. Please read the relevant Help section which explains it in depth. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using firefox add-ons...
me2 wrote: Since the code is getting to be very similar, are we going to be able to get firefox add-ons, e.g., autofill forms? Someone needs to adjust it for full support but it basically works with some simple modifications: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1801e812307fb71 HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web Developer Toolbar question
In news:bqudnevai5yaya3wnz2dnuvz_jri4...@mozilla.org, Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: »Q« wrote: With Firefox, the Web Developer Toolbar extension provides a toolbar button which can be used to hide/unhide the WDT. With SeaMonkey 2.0.1, I don't see that button available in the Customize dialog. I'll take this to the author's registration-required web forum, but first I thought I'd check here to see if it's just something peculiar to my system. You are correct, there is no button. I wish there was, and it shouldn't be too big a deal for Chris to add, one would think. It's the same extension package for Firefox and SeaMonkey, so the button must be in there somewhere, heh. Hopefully you're right and it will be relatively easy for him to get it working with SM. I posted to his forum: http://chrispederick.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=8259 -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.01 seems to keep all my site visit history ...
On 12/22/2009 2:36 PM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: I have SM2 configured to keep the last eight (8) days for the Web sites I visited: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9133/screenshotm.gif ... I notice it kept since day 1 (11/26/2009) of SM v2.0.0 on both my Linux/Debian and Windows XP boxes. What's up? Is this a bug, I misconfigured, or missed an option? You told SeaMonkey to always keep history entries for the last eight days and allowed it to delete history entries that are older when the maximum number of visited pages (in your case 40,000) has been reached. To achieve what you want you should set the maximum number of visited pages to zero. That should have the desired effect since the first pref (Always remember...) takes precedence over the other two. Please read the relevant Help section which explains it in depth. Ah thanks Jens. Is there a way to see how many pages I visited so far? 4 seems too high. I'd like to know how many I have so far now. -- The shadows now so long do grow,... That brambles like tall cedars show,... Molehills seem mountains, and the ant... Appears a monstrous elephant. --Charles Cotton's poem /\___/\ / /\ /\ \Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Rufus schrieb: /snip/ snip If Firefox/Thunderbird are harbingers of what's to become of SM due to the SM team not being able to maintain their own code content for functionality, then I'll just stick with SM 1.1.18 and call it good - like some enterprise users I know that still depend on Netscape. I've tried to get those users to upgrade from NS to SM in the past, I'm not really sure I have a reason to do that any longer. No I don't think so. Isn't the point of the SeaMonkey project to reintegrate the split projects into a workable suite? I would suggest giving it some time. It works very well for my personal use. For business use it may take a while longer. Lee No, Lee, the point of the SeaMonkey Project is (or should that be was) to continue the development of the Mozilla Suite, which was abandoned by Mozilla (org or com or whatever) once Firefox and Thunderbird had become established. Now, as SM is a volunteer enterprise, I've got no problems with the team taking the Open Source FF and TB code and incorporating them as part of the suite (no need to re-invent the wheel, here!!), but, IMHO, SM Suite should never have to become FFTB plus a few bits and pieces. And, Lee, for what it's worth, rather than just siting back bitching, I now intend to assist the SM development as much as I can. Previously, the web account I was on and, even more so, being on dial-up, restricted me from helping but now that I've gone wireless, I have a greater ability to help out with smoke-testing (whatever that is) new releases and dual-booting Win7 and Mandriva Linux, I hope I will be able to do some cross platform comparision work, just as you do! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/21/2009 11:12 AM, Rufus wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Rufus schrieb: snip about:config javascript.allow.mailnews;false set to true. All that is well and good, but far more than an average user should have to do. It's most grievous example of a user selection which was there previously and removed that I can think of - and such a simple one at that. I understand the risks involved with fooling around with about:config if one doesn't know what one is doing...workarounds are fine for experienced users, but not for the masses. One wonders why there is that screen warning about fiddling with about:config, if the average user is now expected to do things in about:config?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Jens Hatlak wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: [JS in MailNews] As I am sure you know, but for those who do not, in about:config: javascript.allow.mailnews Set to true. That won't have any effect. JS in MailNews is gone for good: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Javascript.allow.mailnews The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280 HTH Jens That's mosst unfortunate, but thanks for the information. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using firefox add-ons...
me2 wrote: Since the code is getting to be very similar, are we going to be able to get firefox add-ons, e.g., autofill forms? Go to: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireform and get fireform-0.5.0-mod.xpi. It's an auto form filler that works with Seamonkey 2.0.x. Look on that site (Phil Chee's) for many more Seamonkey 2 add-ons. (They are all Firefox extensions that have been modified to work for Seamonkey but not all work on 2.0.x yet.) Check this site: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19t=500361 for add-ons that have been modified for Seamonkey 2. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Daniel wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Rufus schrieb: /snip/ snip If Firefox/Thunderbird are harbingers of what's to become of SM due to the SM team not being able to maintain their own code content for functionality, then I'll just stick with SM 1.1.18 and call it good - like some enterprise users I know that still depend on Netscape. I've tried to get those users to upgrade from NS to SM in the past, I'm not really sure I have a reason to do that any longer. No I don't think so. Isn't the point of the SeaMonkey project to reintegrate the split projects into a workable suite? I would suggest giving it some time. It works very well for my personal use. For business use it may take a while longer. Lee No, Lee, the point of the SeaMonkey Project is (or should that be was) to continue the development of the Mozilla Suite, which was abandoned by Mozilla (org or com or whatever) once Firefox and Thunderbird had become established. Now, as SM is a volunteer enterprise, I've got no problems with the team taking the Open Source FF and TB code and incorporating them as part of the suite (no need to re-invent the wheel, here!!), but, IMHO, SM Suite should never have to become FFTB plus a few bits and pieces. And, Lee, for what it's worth, rather than just siting back bitching, I now intend to assist the SM development as much as I can. Previously, the web account I was on and, even more so, being on dial-up, restricted me from helping but now that I've gone wireless, I have a greater ability to help out with smoke-testing (whatever that is) new releases and dual-booting Win7 and Mandriva Linux, I hope I will be able to do some cross platform comparision work, just as you do! Daniel Bravo, Daniel. First encouraging words I've heard since 2.x was released! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
On 12/22/2009 05:10 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/22/2009 05:04 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/22/2009 02:02 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: ... The reason that the pref is still appearing in about:config is that the relevant patch applies against core code which follows different time schedules. The pref will be removed from about:config in SeaMonkey 2.1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280 Actually it's still there. Whether or not it still works I don't know as I don't accept email with html javascript. However, this seems to tie back to: Sorry, I read 2.1 as 2.0.1. My apologies. And checking from: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20091222 Lightning/1.1a1pre SeaMonkey/2.1a1pre I see that the option is no longer there. Again, apologies to Jen. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 problem
Billy wrote: I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was also gone. I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on and start all over again with my research. Bummer! Hi, Along these lines, when my Vista Home Premium worked poorly, a commercial computer tech switched my PC to run Windows XP Pro. Most things are stable since then, but I have an address book problem. My old and lengthy address book did not carry over to XP. My hard drive has all my old address book listings under abook., but in narrative text form. Try as I may, I cannot migrate it to the address book in SeaMonkey, where only my newer addresses are listed properly in nested categories that are clickable. Any help with this problem will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mort Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
NoOp wrote: ---snip--- But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default settings SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that. ---snip--- JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold. and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript. Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot more Dangerous than JavaScript. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: ---snip--- But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default settings SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that. ---snip--- JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold. and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript. Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot more Dangerous than JavaScript. SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X so the reference isn't relevant here. You've also been advocating html javascript in email for as long as I remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a Windows user is perhaps different. Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean that html javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly show you that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
On 12/22/2009 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: ---snip--- But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default settings SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that. ---snip--- JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold. and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript. Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot more Dangerous than JavaScript. SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X so the reference isn't relevant here. You've also been advocating html javascript in email for as long as I remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a Windows user is perhaps different. Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean that html javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly show you that. Sorry, forgot to add: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html#IV-A-9 (you do know who cert is... right?) quote 10. Disable scripting features in email programs Because many email programs use the same code as web browsers to display HTML, vulnerabilities that affect ActiveX, Java, and JavaScript are often applicable to email as well as web pages. Therefore, in addition to disabling scripting features in web browsers (see Disable Java, JavaScript, and ActiveX if possible, above), we recommend that users also disable these features in their email programs. /quote Rufus may have some reason to want to enable javascript in emails, but if so I'd posit that he's working in an environment that is pretty unstable. My recommendation to him (and you) is to find another email client be done with it. I'm sure that both of you Mac users have alternatives... just do it. Simple as that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yahoo mail
ad...@mmri.us wrote: Anyone remember what the server details are to get mail from yahoo into a seamonkey account? Years ago yahoo was still pop based, but I cannot find any details lately. Mine is POP mail server: pop.mail.yahoo.com port:110 Use secure connection: Never Use secure authentication Unchecked. Outgoing Server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com port:25 Use secure connection: No -- Gene S. ;Remove '_' to reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
NoOp wrote: On 12/22/2009 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/22/2009 06:39 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: ---snip--- But apparently do not understand the risks associated with html and javascript in emails. You can of course choose to ignore the default settings SeaMonkey/about:config allows you to do that. ---snip--- JavaScript was in html mail as far as back perhaps Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold. and the h=whole time not once did I experience a Problem And I have viewed many a html or newsgroup post with JavaScript in it and not once a problem. Yet recently there is all the fear of JavaScript. Talk about something dangerous, talk about Active-X. Active-X is a lot more Dangerous than JavaScript. SeaMonkey doesn't run Active-X so the reference isn't relevant here. You've also been advocating html javascript in email for as long as I remember. I wonder how your spam rate is? Also keep in mind that you run a Mac, so the issues of something spinning up on your Mac vs that of a Windows user is perhaps different. Just because you've kept the blinders on all these years doesn't mean that html javascript in emails is a good thing. Google will certainly show you that. Sorry, forgot to add: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html#IV-A-9 (you do know who cert is... right?) quote 10. Disable scripting features in email programs Because many email programs use the same code as web browsers to display HTML, vulnerabilities that affect ActiveX, Java, and JavaScript are often applicable to email as well as web pages. Therefore, in addition to disabling scripting features in web browsers (see Disable Java, JavaScript, and ActiveX if possible, above), we recommend that users also disable these features in their email programs. /quote Rufus may have some reason to want to enable javascript in emails, but if so I'd posit that he's working in an environment that is pretty unstable. My recommendation to him (and you) is to find another email client be done with it. I'm sure that both of you Mac users have alternatives... just do it. Simple as that. ...yeah...most artists are unstable. You just have to accept that and deal with it. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
