Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.14 to 2.1
On 7/2/2011 9:06 PM, Johnzy wrote: Hello, Everybody, I was on SeaMonkey today [7/2/1] after a month or a month and half due of my hectic work schedule since I feel like working two jobs [grin] so, anyway, I have the freetime to check on SeaMonkey. I use 2.0.14 as my current version. I clicked Help Check for updates but, no update is available, it says to me. I went to More Projects off the Mozilla's website. Found SeaMonkey. I found out that the latest version is 2.1. I am surprised that SeaMonkey client didn't pick the update. I wonder, is it safe to download the executable file directly from the web browser that I currently use? Let me know. Thanks. John Cunniff President, group owner, machine operator for the school campus Yes it should be completely safe to update, see the Release Notes for known issues. Also of note is that the 2.0-2.1 update offers were not enabled yet, we had to test some backend stuff to make sure that it all worked well. We do plan to offer a 2.0-2.2 update within the next 2 weeks, with our 2.2 release actually happening tuesday, which has very few changes (in SeaMonkey alone) compared to 2.1. Thank You, -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey home page
On 7/2/2011 12:43 PM, fred bisard wrote: i'm getting this trying to access the seamonkey home page. [[snip]] Thank you for reporting this! Unfortunately it was [indirectly] caused by me, and I had to leave before I could notice its bustage. (I work a full-time job without computer access, minimal e-mail access on a non-smartphone). What happened was my website push for our 2.2beta3 release caused errors in the templating code we use, its root cause is unknown at this time. This caused some very prominent portions of the website to go down for 3.5-4.5 hours today. The downtime was particularly long for a few reasons, all of which we will strive to avoid in future website updates: * Mozilla IT (who own and operate the server itself) were relatively away. [USA Holiday Weekend, among some other members of the staff on vacation/holiday caused the automated checks that report to them to be delayed in getting noticed] * I was at work after I pushed the website changes. * KaiRo who is also capable to handle this stuff from our end was traveling/away for the weekend. * Jens who is now the website owner was preparing to leave for a week long vacation/holiday. So coupled with IT's delay in noticing, with their unknowns as far as our templating code/policies/etc. waited on one of our replies on how to proceed delayed this. Luckily for us all Jens was able to notice the e-mail ping before leaving and pop on IRC for a bit to assist with getting the website back into working order. Because of this, we have not (will not, yet) pushed a news announcement on the website for the 2.2 beta 3 release (You can still get it at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.2b3 ). And will delay the official push of 2.2 final until aprox midday Tuesday when Mozilla IT can be around to monitor and help if things go wrong (gives me a bit more padding in the release automation anyway). A BIG THANK YOU for jabba and Jens for their quick action on this issue. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 3 Release -- Introduces New Features
SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 2 is available for free download [1] now in 14
languages and makes a list of new functionality available to a wider
testing audience for the first time. Please note that this pre-release
version is still intended for testers only and might still show some
problems in everyday use. As always, we appreciate any feedback you may
have and encourage users to help us by filing bugs.
This version is built on top of Gecko 5 and features the following new
improvements:
CSS Animations [2] are now supported.
Improved canvas, JavaScript, memory, and networking performance.
Improved standards support for HTML5, XHR, MathML, SMIL, and canvas.
Improved spell checking for some locales.
WebGL content can no longer load cross-domain textures. [3]
Background tabs have setTimeout and setInterval clamped to 1000ms
to improve performance. [4]
Major changes since 2.2b2:
Opening message attachment does not work (Bug 665313)
Added Locales {fi, hu, nb-NO, pt-PT, tr} to bring total
translations up to 20.
The changes page [5] lists a more detailed overview of new features and
fixes relative to our last stable release, SeaMonkey 2.1. [6]
We welcome any and all discussions on this beta on our newsgroups, or
you can even file a bug if you find one. Be sure to check our Known
Issues prior to filing bugs.
SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 3 is available for free download on the SeaMonkey
website. Once you have downloaded and installed this release, we'd like
to encourage you to get involved in discussing and reporting problems as
well as further improving the product.
Thanks for testing and helping us to make SeaMonkey even better!
Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.2b2
[2] - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/CSS_animations
[3] -
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/06/cross-domain-webgl-textures-disabled-in-firefox-5/
[4] - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633421
[5] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/changes
[6] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/
Further Notes not part of announcement:
(2.2 final is slated for Tuesday, midday, this week we'll have users on
beta of 2.0 test updates to 2.2 and within the next 2 weeks we'll issue
release-updates for 2.0 to 2.2)
There is also the *chance* there will be a 2.2.1 sometime in July to
address issues with Mac 10.7, details will follow if that happens.
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Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
I have SM 2.0. 14 and Windows 7. When my Inbox is open in its regular function (i.e., for receiving standard emails, not one of my listed user groups such as this one), do boxes sometimes appear in the middle of the screen saying, for example, 'Confirm. Advance to next unread message in alt.video.dvd?' (I don't think I have used that particular group for months, btw.) All help appreciated. Thanks - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks Don't scroll with Synaptics Trackpad
On 7/1/2011 9:11 AM, Jim Taylor wrote: Jim Taylor wrote: After upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.1 I can no longer scroll bookmarks and history on my HP dv7 laptop using the Synaptics Track Pad scrolling. Track Pad scrolling works everywhere else that I can find except in Bookmarks and History. I was at the latest Synaptics driver on the HP site (15.1.6.64) but I found a later one (v15_2_20_C) on the Synaptics site so upgraded to it. No help. If I connect a real mouse with a middle scroll wheel the bookmarks and history will scroll using the wheel, but they won't scroll using the Track Pad Scroll. The top and bottom autoascroll arrows work on Bookmarks, and I can click and drag the scroll bar in history, but the emulated middle mouse scroll does not work in Bookmarks and History. My OS is 64 bit Windows Home Premium SP1 with all the OS and driver updates. This worked in the previous versions of SeaMonkey and just stopped working after the 2.1 upgrade. Jim I have discovered that changing the Synaptics Pointing Device scrolling option from scroll item under pointer (which is the default) to scroll selected item corrects the problem. Not sure why this makes it work, seems like it should work with the default but I haven't found any down side to using scroll selected item so will leave it that way to get Bookmark scrolling to work because it was a real pain without it. Below is Synaptics definition of the options: Scroll item under pointer Select this option if you want to scroll the window or item that is under the pointer. With this option you do not need to click on a window first in order to scroll it. Scroll selected item Select this option if you want to scroll the currently active window or item. This is usually the last window, part of a window, or item that you clicked on. Jim Wonderful that you found a solution Jim, and thank you for sharing it with us all so that if the issue comes up again we can at least suggest a fix. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: signature
On 7/1/2011 9:47 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Ok, stupid question du jour: why doesn't the SeaMonkey 2.1 installer have a valid digital signature? Sadly we do not yet possess the ability to digitally sign our installer. It needs a few things to accomplish. 1) a machine much more secure than our current machines, and dedicated to just signing. 2) a digital certificate to use for signing, from a valid certificate authority. We have neither of those at this time, we do hope to be in a position to get those. But until then all our release builds are unsigned. Sounds like a finance problem, so what is your business model? In this particular case slightly finance, slightly human resource. We are merely a group of community members without *any* business model atm. Our hosting and servers are all technically owned by The Mozilla Foundation at the moment. As I said, we do intend to change these limitations, but its unclear when/how we will at this point. One option could certainly entail paying out of pocket for the hardware/cert. But either way it involves having the necessary human resources to get it done -- first. Because without that, investing money on it on our own, out of pocket, is not tenable. There are rough options barely explored as well, we'll share more when we learn more. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: My 2.1 Upgrade
JohnW-Mpls wrote: Upgrading from 2.0.14 to 2.1 did not include all of my bookmarks - some groups were missing and most looked like a month ago. I now have the current list - I imported bookmark.html from last week's system backup and then deleted all the ones from the upgrade action. I like the search capability in Bookmark Mana - I just wish it included the group under which I had saved the bookmark. I have over a dozen groups, each with subgroups, and I would like to know where to go to update the bookmark's information (and remove dupes). 2.1 is no better than 2.0.14 at spoofing my local grocery store's website - still need to use IE or FFox. Do you have Advertise Firefox compatibility checked in Preferences Advanced HTTP Networking? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: My 2.1 Upgrade
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:54:18 -0400, WLS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: 2.1 is no better than 2.0.14 at spoofing my local grocery store's website - still need to use IE or FFox. Do you have Advertise Firefox compatibility checked in Preferences Advanced HTTP Networking? I sure did - I was so hopeful. lol -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: My 2.1 Upgrade
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:47:13 -0700, David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 7/2/11 4:43 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote [in part]: 2.1 is no better than 2.0.14 at spoofing my local grocery store's website - still need to use IE or FFox. Some sites -- including my bank's site -- cannot be fooled by a spoof that contains both Firefox and SeaMonkey. I use PrefBar to spoof using just Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1 (not really) Insteresting - where can I get to PrefBar to use your statement? -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: My 2.1 Upgrade
On 7/3/2011 9:33 AM PT, JohnW-Mpls typed: 2.1 is no better than 2.0.14 at spoofing my local grocery store's website - still need to use IE or FFox. Some sites -- including my bank's site -- cannot be fooled by a spoof that contains both Firefox and SeaMonkey. I use PrefBar to spoof using just Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1 (not really) Insteresting - where can I get to PrefBar to use your statement? http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/ You will have to edit install.rdf to install into SM v2.1 since it hasn't been updated to support v2.1+ yet. -- He who storms in like a whirlwind returns like an ant. --Borneo /\___/\ Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is/was listening to a song on this computer: Nexus312 - Sound Is Rising (ID: 430105) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 3 Release -- Introduces New Features
On 07/03/2011 12:57 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: SeaMonkey 2.2 Beta 2 is available for free download [1] now in 14 languages and makes a list of new functionality available to a wider testing audience for the first time. Please note that this pre-release version is still intended for testers only and might still show some problems in everyday use. As always, we appreciate any feedback you may have and encourage users to help us by filing bugs. I think you mean: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.2b3 ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: My 2.1 Upgrade
JohnW-Mpls wrote: Upgrading from 2.0.14 to 2.1 did not include all of my bookmarks - some groups were missing and most looked like a month ago. I now have the current list - I imported bookmark.html from last week's system backup and then deleted all the ones from the upgrade action. I like the search capability in Bookmark Mana - I just wish it included the group under which I had saved the bookmark. I have over a dozen groups, each with subgroups, and I would like to know where to go to update the bookmark's information (and remove dupes). 2.1 is no better than 2.0.14 at spoofing my local grocery store's website - still need to use IE or FFox. So far, 2.1 seems much better at inserting saved passwords. How about a link to your local grocery store's website? Maybe somebody can come up with a work-around for you. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
No v. 2.1 yet?
Help | Check for updates: There are no updates available. SeaMonkey will check periodically for updates. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No v. 2.1 yet?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Help | Check for updates: There are no updates available. SeaMonkey will check periodically for updates. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 I installed 2.1 over my old 2.0.14 with no problem except the problems with add-ons that have been discussed in this newsgroup. 2.2 final is supposed to be coming on Tuesday so you cold wait for that or for the 2.0 to 2.2 update. Here's what he said: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.14 to 2.1 Justin Wood (Callek)replied: We do plan to offer a 2.0-2.2 update within the next 2 weeks, with our 2.2 release actually happening Tuesday, which has very few changes (in SeaMonkey alone) compared to 2.1. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.1.x versions
As speaken before, i said that middle versions did not live enough that a new one appears... Will we see 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.1.3,2.1.14 ? (compared with 2.0 with his last 2.0.14) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.1.x versions
Ray_Net schrieb: As speaken before, i said that middle versions did not live enough that a new one appears... Will we see 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.1.3,2.1.14 ? (compared with 2.0 with his last 2.0.14) No. And in the future, the third number will only be needed if we do a chemspill (or oilspill for the maritime SeaMonkey) release between two planned updates. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: tagzilla phillip chee
Philip Chee sent me the following:: On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:29:10 -0700, sean nathan bean wrote: are you going to be updating this page anytime soon? http://tagzilla.mozdev.org/ or linking it back into the thunderbird and seamonkey addons? sean Sorry I keep forgetting. I'll remember to do this one day. Phil just a nudge... ;) i know you all do this out of your love for the product... but if they can't be linked, i'd suggest dumping one site or the other... its distressing to search and have the not updated since 2004 page pop up first in results... sean -- ... A file that big? It might be very useful. But now it is gone. all taglines brought to you by TagZilla 0.066.2 http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: tagzilla phillip chee
MCBastos sent me the following:: Interviewed by CNN on 30/06/2011 17:29, sean nathan bean told the world: are you going to be updating this page anytime soon? http://tagzilla.mozdev.org/ or linking it back into the thunderbird and seamonkey addons? Tagzilla's page is NOT under the responsibility of Philip Chee. chill out... it was just a friendly nudge... sean -- ... It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required ~ Winston Churchill all taglines brought to you by TagZilla 0.066.2 http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.1.x versions
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: As speaken before, i said that middle versions did not live enough that a new one appears... Will we see 2.1.1, 2.1.2, 2.1.3,2.1.14 ? (compared with 2.0 with his last 2.0.14) No. And in the future, the third number will only be needed if we do a chemspill (or oilspill for the maritime SeaMonkey) release between two planned updates. Robert Kaiser ...that's so familiar it hurts! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
A word ('Why') inadvertently got left off the start of my question, so
here it is, corrected. Thanks for all help, guys.
Ken (almost) wrote:
I have SM 2.0. 14 and Windows 7.
Why, when my Inbox is open in its regular function (i.e., for receiving
standard emails, not one of my listed user groups such as this one), do
boxes sometimes appear in the middle of the screen saying, for example,
'Confirm. Advance to next unread message in alt.video.dvd?' (I don't
think I have used that particular group for months, btw.)
All help appreciated.
Thanks - Ken (in Oz)
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to write. The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform. You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine (the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor extension ecosystem... Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome. ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I think folks would pay that. But if you're not even up to taking a chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's. The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple won't allow Gecko in the App Store. Again - unwillingness to do the work to bring a product to market. It's not impossible, it's not prohibited...the SM folks just don't want to do an iOS implementation of SM functionality. Fine, but a pity. Atomic gets me half of what I want anyway...I'm pretty sure NewsTap will get me the rest. I don't think you understand, it most definitely *is* prohibited, and don't want shows completely no grasp of finite resources or the cost of setting up a distribution channel which would work outside the Apple app store, since SM would not be allowed, however done. Apple claims that a choice of products confuses users, or some such. Google for Jobs+competition+confusion or something, I think the speech is on youtube. I doubt explaining this more clearly will help, your world view seems pretty set. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I also realize this means a *new* product. What I want is the Mozilla feature set brought to iOS...which is why I now have the Atomic browser on my iPad. It's as close as I can get. The thing is, the feature set on Firefox and Seamonkey is completely dependent on the Gecko engine. The user interface is ran by the browser engine, not by the operating system. That's what allows writing such powerful browser extensions, for starters. Gecko was designed from the start to offer this functionality. Webkit does not offer it, and that's why Safari and Chrome extensions are comparatively simpler. I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and interface specifications - not the actual implementation in code to accomplish the task. I like the SM implementation...(completely) new code, same look. Biggest limitation with iOS that I can discern is file transfer...but I can live with hardware/OS limitations, interface issues can in general always be evolved. You are solving the problem from the wrong end, scrap IOS, install Linux, run real SM and be happy. Or at least if you aren't happy you can complain in another group and about different things. ;-) -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
cyberzen wrote: MCBastos a écrit : Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are closely-spaced 16px icons. It's not that hard to click on the wrong one. sorry have you tried CuteButtons Chrystal SVG these little icons make a little tilt when high lighted... Care to provide a place to try, since to 2.1 add-on search function seems hard linked to the Didn't find anything learn more about add-ons screen. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to write. The fact that it works differently on a different OS is of no consequence to me - that's the nature of any platform. You are entirely missing the point of the Mozilla ecosystem and the rebirth of browser development. Ten years ago, there were so-called alternative browsers for Windows that used the preloaded Trident engine (the one in IE). The thing is, they were as slow as IE, had the same rendering bugs as IE, the same security vulnerabilities as IE. If Microsoft had been able back then to forbid Opera and Netscape/Mozilla from installing alternative browser engines, we would be still stagnated with prettier versions of IE 6 (they had in fact disbanded the Trident development team). Meaning: slow Javascript, buggy implementation, poor extension ecosystem... Apple is already growing too comfortable with their effective monopoly of browser engines in iOS: Safari development has been lagging behind other browsers, despite sharing a lot of code with Chrome. ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. SM is given away for free...build it for iOS, charge 99 cents, and I think folks would pay that. But if you're not even up to taking a chance in the first place, then that your issue - not Apple's. The point is: you *can't.* Seamonkey is Gecko-based. EVERYTHING in it is based on Gecko -- the extensions environment, the whole thing. Apple won't allow Gecko in the App Store. Again - unwillingness to do the work to bring a product to market. It's not impossible, it's not prohibited...the SM folks just don't want to do an iOS implementation of SM functionality. Fine, but a pity. Atomic gets me half of what I want anyway...I'm pretty sure NewsTap will get me the rest. I don't think you understand, it most definitely *is* prohibited, and don't want shows completely no grasp of finite resources or the cost of setting up a distribution channel which would work outside the Apple app store, since SM would not be allowed, however done. Apple claims that a choice of products confuses users, or some such. Google for Jobs+competition+confusion or something, I think the speech is on youtube. I doubt explaining this more clearly will help, your world view seems pretty set. No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one that I like better than Atomic...and I like Atomic better than Safari. To say that Apple won't allow competing software on the App store only tells me that you haven't done much surfing on the App store. Go look. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things like A beta user sample of [roughly 4-5x the release users of SeaMonkey] is too small to give us really good data on stability, but so far it looks stable enough to ship this as a final release. :) I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-) Robert Kaiser As one who has read and mostly lurked in this group since its inception, allow me to say that your efforts on behalf of the SeaMonkey Project are greatly appreciated. We all have to step back now and again. But your work as project leader leaves SeaMonkey well established to go forward. Thank you Robert. Same here... another long time reader of this ng and SM user, who greatly appreciates Robert's contribution to the continuation of SM, and helping all of us along the way. Hope you don't stay too far away, Robert. :) bj 2nd that, I have disagreed with Robert at times, but never doubted his efforts represented his best solution to whatever problem was at hand, and were not chosen to be the least work, other than when even the least work was a strain on resources. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I also realize this means a *new* product. What I want is the Mozilla feature set brought to iOS...which is why I now have the Atomic browser on my iPad. It's as close as I can get. The thing is, the feature set on Firefox and Seamonkey is completely dependent on the Gecko engine. The user interface is ran by the browser engine, not by the operating system. That's what allows writing such powerful browser extensions, for starters. Gecko was designed from the start to offer this functionality. Webkit does not offer it, and that's why Safari and Chrome extensions are comparatively simpler. I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and interface specifications - not the actual implementation in code to accomplish the task. I like the SM implementation...(completely) new code, same look. Biggest limitation with iOS that I can discern is file transfer...but I can live with hardware/OS limitations, interface issues can in general always be evolved. You are solving the problem from the wrong end, scrap IOS, install Linux, run real SM and be happy. Or at least if you aren't happy you can complain in another group and about different things. ;-) iOS is just fine...it's young, and it just need to be taught what to do, and how to do it. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one that I like better than Atomic...and I like Atomic better than Safari. To say that Apple won't allow competing software on the App store only tells me that you haven't done much surfing on the App store. Go look. Rufus, when you are in a hole, please stop digging. And please go educate yourself on the issue before continuing to sprout off. Thank you. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey2 - themes issues
My unbuntu 8.04 on my old(ish) laptop computer has just upgraded the Seamonkey to version 2. It has changed the appearance of Seamonkey, to some silly looking theme, that is listed as the default theme. It appears that software developers design software for their own pleasure, and not for the users. The Classic theme will not install. The Littlemonkey theme has some silly looking phallic symbols to the left of the toolbars. Is is possible to get a traditional looking theme for Seamonkey 2.x, so that we can have a decent appearance for Seamonkey, like the themes from Seamonkey 1 or Netscape? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
