Re: Aw: Re: Password Manager workaround

2011-07-30 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:28:59 -0700, /David E. Ross/:


On the other hand, I installed Remember Passwords 1.0.1 and tested it.
With it disabled, some passwords were blocked and not saved.  With it
enabled, I have not yet encountered a failure to save passwords.  It
works even for split logins.


The problem with split logins left is it doesn't automatically 
enable autocomplete and remembering of the username field, because 
there's no password field on the form to reliably detect this is an 
username field, therefore associate it with login details.


It would be unwise to unconditionally enable autocomplete everywhere 
at least for stuff like CVV (Card Verification Value).  In such 
cases one could manually opt-in to remember the username field value 
by means of remember password bookmarklet, or similar solution 
removing autocomplete=off from all forms/form fields.  It would 
still require two manual actions, next - removing autocomplete=off 
again to enable to autocomplete of the username filed, then click in 
the field to insert the remembered value.


While the Remember Passwords extension seems enough for traditional 
cases like username/password fields in one form, and for the lone 
password field on split logins, I wonder whether extensions like 
Secure Login [1] or QuickPasswords [2] don't provide more complete 
solution (haven't tried them myself yet) including handling of the 
lone username on split logins and dynamically generated forms - does 
anyone have experience with these?


[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/secure-login/
[2] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/quickpasswords/

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Re: Aw: Re: Password Manager workaround

2011-07-30 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:33:31 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:


While the Remember Passwords extension seems enough for traditional
cases like username/password fields in one form, and for the lone
password field on split logins, I wonder whether extensions like
Secure Login [1] or QuickPasswords [2] don't provide more complete
solution (haven't tried them myself yet) including handling of the
lone username on split logins and dynamically generated forms - does
anyone have experience with these?

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/secure-login/
[2] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/quickpasswords/


I've found another one which looks interesting:

Saved Password Editor 
https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/saved-password-editor/


readily packaged as SeaMonkey compatible.

... this thread has become quite big.  I guess I'll need to compile 
some document (at least for myself) describing the different use 
cases, the current problems, relevant Bugzilla references, possible 
solutions and workarounds (including extensions).


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Re: HELP - Composer - not working!

2011-07-30 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:04:41 -0700, /Michael Gordon/:


If you want a WYSIWYG HTML editor try Komposer, it was based on the
old Netscape composer. Along with creating W3C compliant documents
it also supports CSS.

http://kompozer.net/screenshots.php


There's also BlueGriffon from the original Composer author - Daniel 
Glazman (glazou):


http://bluegriffon.org/

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Re: Aw: Re: Password Manager workaround

2011-07-30 Thread Philip Chee
On 30/07/2011 16:44, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:33:31 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:
 
 While the Remember Passwords extension seems enough for traditional
 cases like username/password fields in one form, and for the lone
 password field on split logins, I wonder whether extensions like
 Secure Login [1] or QuickPasswords [2] don't provide more complete
 solution (haven't tried them myself yet) including handling of the
 lone username on split logins and dynamically generated forms - does
 anyone have experience with these?

 [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/secure-login/
 [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/quickpasswords/
 
 I've found another one which looks interesting:
 
 Saved Password Editor 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/saved-password-editor/
 
 readily packaged as SeaMonkey compatible.
 
 ... this thread has become quite big.  I guess I'll need to compile 
 some document (at least for myself) describing the different use 
 cases, the current problems, relevant Bugzilla references, possible 
 solutions and workarounds (including extensions).

You could put it in the wiki:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/

Perhaps as:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/PasswordManagementTips

Phil

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Show remote content

2011-07-30 Thread Danny Kile
Is there a way to make SM show remote content from a domain 
automatically without have to always click on show remote content 
button? I get update from xyz.com and always want to see the remote 
content. Perhaps an about:config option I could add.


Thank you for your help in this matter,

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Re: HELP - Composer - not working!

2011-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen

ADKART wrote:

I rarely use the SeaMonkey browser, but I learned how to build web
pages with Netscape Composer and when SeaMonkey became the replacement
for Netscape, I switched to it. Have used it for quite a while, doing
pretty complex things with Composer. But now I cannot edit the pages I
previously created. HELP! I can open my files, but I cannot edit them.
I manage 5 web sites and I can't do anything with Composer 2.2. Should
I go back to an earlier version?


I also maintain numerous small sites using the SM composer, and haven't had that 
problem.


Therefore, how about something a little more specific about you mean by can't 
do anything such as does composer not start? When you type in composer do the 
keystrokes not echo? When you save does it not happen? What platform are you 
using for the edit, Mac?


I have just edited the web site for an organization using the composer, so 
can't do anything is not a universal issue.


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Re: SM 2.3 Changelog

2011-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/28/11 9:43 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

David E. Ross schrieb:

That is sometimes called lemming behavior, which might be appropriate
in this case.  After all, the legend is that lemmings follow each other
off a cliff, into the ocean, and to their deaths.


You mean Firefox will die just as Chrome has and SeaMonkey has before?

Robert Kaiser



 From my long experience (30+ years) in software QA, the long-term cost
of frequently churning out versions with new features and not merely
bug-fixes will eventually either weaken necessary QA through shortcuts
to meet schedules or else consume developer resources to the point of
weakening the organization.  It appears that frequent releases might
already be driving away users who otherwise not only have to update the
product but also find that needed extensions no longer work.

Extensions constitute one of the major features of Mozilla-based
applications.  Today, the problem with extensions results from the fact
that, like SeaMonkey itself, most extensions are developed as hobbies by
volunteers who are not paid.  With frequent new versions of
Mozilla-based applications, extension developers find themselves in the
same situation as the Red Queen in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking
Glass, running as fast as they can just to stand still and having to
run faster than they can to make progress -- while still having to earn
a living.


+1

I'm a fan of feature release followed by n (n=1) bug fix releases, so you get a 
usable version fairly often, like stability releases for the Linux kernel, that 
kind of thing.


In other words, having versions the (majority of) users find better than the 
last stable version. Having people generally feel that your QA has vanished is 
particularly bad when doing volunteer work, since the only reward you get is 
people thinking you have produced something great.


The fact that 2.2, with broken address book, was not considered a brown bag 
release and quickly followed by 2.2.1 indicates that quantity is more important 
than quality. If you never add names to your address book, 2.2 is fine. If you 
get 5-10 new addresses a day in Collected addresses and have to type them into 
the production AB by hand because you can't move them with drag and drop, it's 
worth the pain to fall back to an earlier (working) version, and disable 
automatic updates.


I know SM uses some shared TBird code, the one person I know who uses TBird 
tells me address book is still broken in the nightly she tried. Sigh.


I'm grateful for the work people do, but I think the whole Mozilla effort has 
lost its way. It feels as if Firefox is the only thing which still gets QA 
resources and fixes in a timely manner. And IIRC the fixes in SM address book 
were rejected for TBird, so it would have to be maintained in SM long term.


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Re: SM 2.3 Changelog: “TODO”

2011-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen

get-funky.dig wrote:

I'm afraid... seeing this concerns me.

Please don't let Seamonkey become Firefox's “red-headed-stepchild”. Please let us not 
suffer the nonsensical patterns of late from that cr*p-factory (i.e. paraphrased, 
following more the Update Schedule, and borrowed nomenclature; updates scheme of 
Google Chrome) for the In-Kids' Club.


The reason Chrome can run that way is that Google has resources to provide fixes 
in parallel with features. Mozilla seems to have decided to go to a mostly new 
features resource allocation (I say seems, based on what's released). SM lacks 
the resources to do that, when new features take 100% of the resources there's 
little effort put into bug fixes. The project is allowed to exist but treated 
like a charity, from what I see. Note that I am not inside, I just read the 
endless posts from SM people saying we don't have the resources to do that.


Which is why users can't code stuff themselves and get it into the SM releases, 
accepting a feature  would mean maintaining it forever.


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Re: DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO PREVIEW

2011-07-30 Thread Bill Davidsen

WLS wrote:

Abhishek Chakraborty wrote:

DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO
PREVIEW


Translation.

When I type the div element into the normal pane of Composer (with
content I suspect) it doesn't show up in the Preview pane.


Could you give just a small example of that? I know how to do div in source 
pane, how do you do it in normal?


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Re: DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO PREVIEW

2011-07-30 Thread WLS

Bill Davidsen wrote:

WLS wrote:

Abhishek Chakraborty wrote:

DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO
PREVIEW


Translation.

When I type the div element into the normal pane of Composer (with
content I suspect) it doesn't show up in the Preview pane.


Could you give just a small example of that? I know how to do div in
source pane, how do you do it in normal?



The same way you do it in the source pane I would suspect.

But that was my interpretation of the original complaint, and it could 
be wrong.


What exactly does he mean? I have no clue, and they seem to have decided 
not to continue the dialog, explaining the statement.

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Re: Paste as quotation, text disappears

2011-07-30 Thread Daniel

Zanqeutil wrote:

Saemonkey 2.2 Windows 2000 (SP4)

When I compose an email and want to paste a part of another email as
quoted text,I use 'Paste as quotation' from the right-click menu.

I see the quoted text, the cursor is at the end of the last pasted
character.
When I *press enter* to type the rest of the email, the quoted text
instantly disappears.

Sometimes I can move the cursor with the arrrow-down key to a position
below the last quoted sentence and I'm able to type the rest of the
massage.

Paste (normal) works correct as does
Paste Without Formatting, no problem.

Is this a bug ?

regards,

Zanqeutil.


Zanqeutil, when you paste the text into the e-mail, is it still 
highlighted, so the when you press Enter the still highlighted text is 
replaced by a carriage return??


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Re: SM 2.3 Changelog

2011-07-30 Thread Jens Hatlak

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm a fan of feature release followed by n (n=1) bug fix releases, so
you get a usable version fairly often, like stability releases for the
Linux kernel, that kind of thing.


Me too, but as I explained in some other post, we don't have much of a 
choice anymore for the most part. As far as the address book breakage is 
concerned: We could have done a minor version update for that if we had 
found the issue earlier (the breakage on the development branch, trunk, 
was known and much larger, but the release branch dd issue was unknown) 
*and* had a reviewed (!) fix in hand. The fix that I'm talking about has 
only been finished about a week ago, in time for SM 2.3, which is not 
too far off anymore (currently in beta), so releasing a 2.2.1 at this 
point doesn't make much sense.



The fact that 2.2, with broken address book, was not considered a brown
bag release and quickly followed by 2.2.1 indicates that quantity is
more important than quality.


2.2 was rushed, so much is true.


I know SM uses some shared TBird code, the one person I know who uses
TBird tells me address book is still broken in the nightly she tried. Sigh.


I don't think that's true. The TB developers made a change that broke us 
(because we were missing a part on our side), not the other way around.



I'm grateful for the work people do, but I think the whole Mozilla
effort has lost its way. It feels as if Firefox is the only thing which
still gets QA resources and fixes in a timely manner.


90% true. The other 10% is for TB. [Note: IMO]


And IIRC the fixes in SM address book were rejected for TBird,

 so it would have to be maintained in SM long term.

Again, I think you got something wrong there.

Greetings,

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Re: HELP - Composer - not working!

2011-07-30 Thread Robert Gault

ADKART wrote:

I rarely use the SeaMonkey browser, but I learned how to build web
pages with Netscape Composer and when SeaMonkey became the replacement
for Netscape, I switched to it. Have used it for quite a while, doing
pretty complex things with Composer. But now I cannot edit the pages I
previously created. HELP! I can open my files, but I cannot edit them.
I manage 5 web sites and I can't do anything with Composer 2.2. Should
I go back to an earlier version?


I think I know what your problem is but don't have a perfect solution. Seems 
like a bug in Seamonkey 2.2.


When I open web pages saved on my hard drive with Composer and right click on 
links, Link Properties is grayed out. Composer is in Normal mode.
If I then go to HTML Tags mode via the menubar at the bottom of the page, right 
clicking on links gives an active Link Properties. Going back to Normal mode 
seems to retain the ability to get to Link Properties with a right click.


Clearly there is a problem with Seamonkey. Also switching back and forth between 
Normal and Tags does not always make Link Properties available in Normal mode. 
There may be other functions that don't work quite right in Composer.


Testing was done on a WinXP SP3 system.
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Moving contacts between address books

2011-07-30 Thread Alex
With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts between 
different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Thank you, Alex
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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-07-30 Thread Jens Hatlak

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts between
different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.

HTH

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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-07-30 Thread Alex

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts between
different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.

HTH

Jens


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Re: SM 2.3 Changelog: “TODO”

2011-07-30 Thread Chris Ilias

On 11-07-30 9:26 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

get-funky.dig wrote:

I'm afraid... seeing this concerns me.

Please don't let Seamonkey become Firefox's “red-headed-stepchild”.
Please let us not suffer the nonsensical patterns of late from that
cr*p-factory (i.e. paraphrased, following more the Update Schedule,
and borrowed nomenclature; updates scheme of Google Chrome) for the
In-Kids' Club.


The reason Chrome can run that way is that Google has resources to
provide fixes in parallel with features. Mozilla seems to have decided
to go to a mostly new features resource allocation (I say seems, based
on what's released). SM lacks the resources to do that, when new
features take 100% of the resources there's little effort put into bug
fixes. The project is allowed to exist but treated like a charity, from
what I see. Note that I am not inside, I just read the endless posts
from SM people saying we don't have the resources to do that.

Which is why users can't code stuff themselves and get it into the SM
releases, accepting a feature would mean maintaining it forever.


The changelog for the latest release can be found at 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/changes. There 
are plenty of bug fixes.


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Re: DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO PREVIEW

2011-07-30 Thread Michael Gordon

WLS wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

WLS wrote:

Abhishek Chakraborty wrote:

DIV ELEMENT NOT SHOWING IN SEAMONKEY PREVIEW WHEN I TYPE DIV GO TO
PREVIEW


Translation.

When I type the div element into the normal pane of Composer (with
content I suspect) it doesn't show up in the Preview pane.


Could you give just a small example of that? I know how to do div in
source pane, how do you do it in normal?



The same way you do it in the source pane I would suspect.

But that was my interpretation of the original complaint, and it could
be wrong.

What exactly does he mean? I have no clue, and they seem to have decided
not to continue the dialog, explaining the statement.
Normally the div element is set to default to show no borders, this is 
controllable using CSS and the borders attribute.  Using CSS you can set 
the border size, type, and color; and if you get creative you can 
control each border side independently of the others.


Michael G
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Re: Password Manager workaround

2011-07-30 Thread JD

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:32:23 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:


With a bit of delay, I've uploaded initial version on the AMO site:

https://addons.mozilla.org/bg/firefox/addon/remember-passwords/


Blah. The more friendly URL should be:

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/remember-passwords/



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Re: [Linux] Updating 2.0.14 to 2.2 a disaster for the bookmarks.

2011-07-30 Thread Bernard Mercier
Après mure réflexion, Robert Kaiser a écrit :
 Dale DePriest schrieb:
 I lost my bookmarks as well. Here is what I did to fix it. I did an open
 file and traversed the seamonkey support installation to the location of
 the bookmarks.html file and there they were. So I bookmarked the
 location. Now I can see them and use them whenever I wish.

 You should be able to import exactly that file from the bookmarks 
 manager and then have your bookmarks available just like usual again.

 Robert Kaiser
In my case, the problem is that I don't have a bookmarks.html file in the same
directory as the places.sqlite and places.sqlite.corrupt.
So import will not work.

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Re: [Linux] Updating 2.0.14 to 2.2 a disaster for the bookmarks.

2011-07-30 Thread Bernard Mercier
MCBastos a exposé le 27/07/2011 :
 Interviewed by CNN on 27/07/2011 12:42, Bernard Mercier told the world:

 Even before updating, I didn't have a bookmarks.html file.
 As far as I remember some comment, it is not used anymore and all is in one
 place, places.sqlite.
 Thus such a file can maybe grow considerably.

 Not quite correct. SM 2.0.x still uses the bookmarks.html. One of the
 big changes in 2.1 was precisely moving bookmars into places.sqlite --
 which enabled a number of new features, such as Sync and the new
 click-on-the-address-bar-icon method of bookmarking, similar to
 Firefox's star.

 Still, for a variety of reasons, Seamonkey keeps the ability of
 exporting the bookmarks to an html file automatically on shutdown. I
 don't recall right now if this option is enabled by default.
Then I don't understand why I don't have a bookmarks.html file.

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Re: Norton antivirus and SeaMonkey

2011-07-30 Thread Ant

On 7/27/2011 12:19 PM PT, Cathy Palmer-Lister typed:


Hi, I moved to a new computer,and from XP to Win 7. I cannot get SM to
work with Norton antvirus though they got along just fine in old
computer. I've tried installing SM before the antivirus and vice versa
but same result--some sites do not load at all, some give weird error
messages. Sometimes the FB like button wants to downlaod as a programme
or something. Facebook is the worst, but even google does not always
load in properly.


What version of Norton AntiVirus do you have? And do you have all 
LiveUpdates downloaded and installed?

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Re: Show remote content

2011-07-30 Thread NoOp
On 07/30/2011 04:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
 Is there a way to make SM show remote content from a domain 
 automatically without have to always click on show remote content 
 button? I get update from xyz.com and always want to see the remote 
 content. Perhaps an about:config option I could add.


I've not tried it, but I suspect that these Thunderbird instructions may
also apply to SeaMonkey:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Privacy_basics_%28Thunderbird%29

Give those a try  let us know if it works in SM.

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Re: HELP - Composer - not working!

2011-07-30 Thread Rob Lindauer

Robert Gault wrote:

ADKART wrote:

I rarely use the SeaMonkey browser, but I learned how to build web
pages with Netscape Composer and when SeaMonkey became the replacement
for Netscape, I switched to it. Have used it for quite a while, doing
pretty complex things with Composer. But now I cannot edit the pages I
previously created. HELP! I can open my files, but I cannot edit them.
I manage 5 web sites and I can't do anything with Composer 2.2. Should
I go back to an earlier version?


I think I know what your problem is but don't have a perfect solution.
Seems like a bug in Seamonkey 2.2.

When I open web pages saved on my hard drive with Composer and right
click on links, Link Properties is grayed out. Composer is in Normal mode.
If I then go to HTML Tags mode via the menubar at the bottom of the
page, right clicking on links gives an active Link Properties. Going
back to Normal mode seems to retain the ability to get to Link
Properties with a right click.

Clearly there is a problem with Seamonkey. Also switching back and forth
between Normal and Tags does not always make Link Properties available
in Normal mode. There may be other functions that don't work quite right
in Composer.

Testing was done on a WinXP SP3 system.


I had had the same link properties problem with Composer on Linux (Linux 
Mint 10 / Ubuntu 11.04) - I wasn't clever / persistent enough to find 
the workaround as you did, however, and just switched to using 
BlueGriffon. -RL


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Re: Show remote content

2011-07-30 Thread Bill Spikowski

Danny Kile wrote:

Is there a way to make SM show remote content from a domain automatically
without have to always click on show remote content button? I get update from
xyz.com and always want to see the remote content. Perhaps an about:config
option I could add.



When you're looking at an email whose remote content you wish you could see, 
right-click on the e-mail address, click add to address book, check the allow 
remote content box, then click OK. Next time you get an email from that 
address, the remote content will appear.

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Re: Paste as quotation, text disappears

2011-07-30 Thread Zanqeutil

Daniel schreef:

Zanqeutil wrote:

Saemonkey 2.2 Windows 2000 (SP4)

When I compose an email and want to paste a part of another email as
quoted text,I use 'Paste as quotation' from the right-click menu.

I see the quoted text, the cursor is at the end of the last pasted
character.
When I *press enter* to type the rest of the email, the quoted text
instantly disappears.

Sometimes I can move the cursor with the arrrow-down key to a position
below the last quoted sentence and I'm able to type the rest of the
massage.

Paste (normal) works correct as does
Paste Without Formatting, no problem.

Is this a bug ?

regards,

Zanqeutil.


Zanqeutil, when you paste the text into the e-mail, is it still
highlighted, so the when you press Enter the still highlighted text is
replaced by a carriage return??



No, the text is not highlighted when I press 'enter'(carriage return)

For example:

When you highlight a sentence in MS Word and press enter (carriage 
return) the highligted text will be deleted. That's how it works in MS Word.


SM 2.2
Sometimes when I try a (normal) paste and after that a second 'paste as 
quotation' I'm able to move the blinking cursor below the pasted text
with the arrow-down key. The pasted text (with quotation marks) stays 
put and I can type new sentences.


I did not have this problem in Seamonkey 2.1, I noticed this after the 
update to SM 2.2.


Regards,

Zanqeutil
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Spoofing Old Mail

2011-07-30 Thread JohnW-Mpls

Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
cannot afford to miss those things.

So, I'm switching my browser work to FireFox - hate to leave good old SM -
and I now need to re-establish all my passwords.  I'm also a little
concerned about all the talk about fancy FF add-ins - I doubt I want any but
I dislike being bothered by someone interrupting me to tout some new
capability.

I'll keep using SM for the mail and address book - the best arrangement I've
seen (supposedly equaled only by the old Eudora).  One remaining problem in
SM Mail is the inability to automatically delete old messages in more than
just my first account - I'd like the same service in at least six more
accounts.  Or am I missing some setting or option?

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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-07-30 Thread NoOp
On 07/30/2011 04:23 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote:
 
 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
 new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
 me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
 cannot afford to miss those things.
...
Doesn't help much if you don't provide a link to the site.


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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-07-30 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
JohnW-Mpls wrote:

 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites
 - 2.2's new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not
 help, at least for me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM
 just does not see and I cannot afford to miss those things. 

Why don't you try the User Agent Switcher and spoof with a full
Firefox UA string?

 One remaining problem in SM Mail is the inability to automatically
 delete old messages in more than just my first account - I'd like
 the same service in at least six more accounts.  Or am I missing
 some setting or option?

Do you mean something like delete after 30 days? Right-click on the
account name in the left pane, choose Properties, and change each of
those six accounts to what you prefer. Also, you can do this for
specific folders, such as Inbox, Junk (mine is 3 days), or any other.

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Re: SM 2.3 Changelog

2011-07-30 Thread upscope
On Saturday, July 30, 2011 07:19:39 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:
 Bill Davidsen wrote:
  I'm a fan of feature release followed by n (n=1) bug fix releases,
  so you get a usable version fairly often, like stability releases
  for the Linux kernel, that kind of thing.
 
 Me too, but as I explained in some other post, we don't have much of
 a choice anymore for the most part. As far as the address book
 breakage is concerned: We could have done a minor version update for
 that if we had found the issue earlier (the breakage on the
 development branch, trunk, was known and much larger, but the
 release branch dd issue was unknown) *and* had a reviewed (!) fix
 in hand. The fix that I'm talking about has only been finished about
 a week ago, in time for SM 2.3, which is not too far off anymore
 (currently in beta), so releasing a 2.2.1 at this point doesn't make
 much sense.
 
  The fact that 2.2, with broken address book, was not considered a
  brown bag release and quickly followed by 2.2.1 indicates that
  quantity is more important than quality.
 
 2.2 was rushed, so much is true.
 
  I know SM uses some shared TBird code, the one person I know who
  uses TBird tells me address book is still broken in the nightly
  she tried. Sigh.
 
 I don't think that's true. The TB developers made a change that broke
 us (because we were missing a part on our side), not the other way
 around.
 
  I'm grateful for the work people do, but I think the whole Mozilla
  effort has lost its way. It feels as if Firefox is the only thing
  which still gets QA resources and fixes in a timely manner.
 
 90% true. The other 10% is for TB. [Note: IMO]
 
  And IIRC the fixes in SM address book were rejected for TBird,
  
   so it would have to be maintained in SM long term.
 
 Again, I think you got something wrong there.
 
 Greetings,
 
 Jens
Did they fix the export problems with addressbook? When I export a 
distrution list it exports the whole addressbook instead. It also drops 
some of the contacts and a blank field appears to to filled with the 
next field in order. 
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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-07-30 Thread upscope
On Saturday, July 30, 2011 08:06:01 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:
 Alex wrote:
  With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts
  between different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?
 
 Will be fixed in SM 2.3.
 
 HTH
 
 Jens
It also deletes contacts in the personal addressbook when you delete 
them from a distribution list. (SM2.2.1) 
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IE users are dumber .

2011-07-30 Thread question


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/ 



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Re: IE users are dumber .

2011-07-30 Thread Rufus

question wrote:


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/




...Opera?..really?..

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Re: IE users are dumber .

2011-07-30 Thread WLS

question wrote:


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/




May I be allowed to say it is dumb to post this in a support newsgroup?

The OP must be an IE user.
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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-07-30 Thread David E. Ross
On 7/30/11 4:23 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote [in part]:
 
 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
 new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
 me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
 cannot afford to miss those things.

There are some Web sites that not only sniff badly but also reject
Firefox in the user agent (UA) string if SeaMonkey is also present.
 The bank I use has such a site.

I disabled (unchecked the checkbox) for Advertise Firefox
compatibility.  For my bank's Web site, I use PrefBar to spoof Firefox
without any mention of SeaMonkey.  The Web sites for three other
financial institutions where I have accounts accept SeaMonkey and
don't require any spoofing at all.

-- 

David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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