Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


If you go here, Adobe will tell you what you have installed. If they
say you have it, you have it and the Yahoos are mistaken.




Well I went to that site and it reported that I have 11.2.202.228
installed.
Then I went down to section 3 on the page where it says that the latest
version available for Win7 both 32 and 64 bit is 11.1.102.62
So it seems that the version I downloaded and installed is more recent than
Adobe says is available ??? :)


Fair point, that's f***ed up. ;-)


But it's definitely higher than 9.0


Agreed. Wonder if the Yahoos know that, or if they're sorting 
alphabetically and putting 11 before 9? ;-)


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Re: Some corrupt mail folders or files (Mac)

[Daniel]

Tiger wrote:

I have two Seamonkey profiles: one for normal use and another one for
archiving all my old email.
I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.14 on a PPC G4 based Mac running MacOSX 10.5.8).

Having just reinstalled all my files from a backup drive I'm having
trouble with the "archive" profile (the normal profile works fine). When
choosing the archive profile the crash reporter pops up with the
following message:

--
We're sorry.
The application had a problem and crashed.
Unfortunately the crash reporter is unable to submit a report for this
crash.
Details: The application didn't leave an application data file.

[OK]
---


Remembering that I've run into these problems before I immediately
opened the "Mail" folder inside the archive profile folder
(~/Library/Application
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/PROFILE.NAME/Mail/ACCOUNTNAME) to have a look.
Next (after quitting SM) I created an empty folder within the "Mail"
folder's account-name subfolder and moved all the mail files to it and
restarted SM with the archive folder. Worked fine, confirming that the
Mail folder is the culprit.
Next I move one by one mailbox ("NAME.sbd", "NAME.msf" and "NAME" files)
back into the "Mail/ACCOUNTNAME/" folder followed by restarting SM to
see which file(s) are the problem. Actually it seems many files cause
the problem, but I can't find any pattern or other reasons why. I've
already deleted all the .msf index files inside the archive folder and
its sub-folder) without that solving the problem either.
Any ideas?



Tiger,  not that I think it will help (but you never know) have you 
tried File->Compact Folder on each Archive Filebut this is with-in 
SM, which you say crashes when you address certain folders, so would 
achieve nothing.


Another option.why do you have a separate profile for your 
archivingI archive my various mail folders, each year, under the 
"Local Folders", so my Mail folders sub-folders only contain this years 
stuff.


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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


SM 2.8 on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS

Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
following error message box:

---

Flash required for this application X
Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher
installed and unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download
and install the latest Flash Player _here_

OK
--


where that _here_ is a link to the Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
download page which reports:

Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
Do you have a different operating system or browser?

Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 64-bit
version of Flash Player

To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected
from SM I downloaded and reinstalled it. However the error message
keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail, But if I click on the
X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box goes away and my
webmail session appears to work without crashing or obvious errors.

So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM
and my installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the
connection between my SM and my Flash?


If you go here, Adobe will tell you what you have installed. If they say you
have it, you have it and the Yahoos are mistaken.




Well I went to that site and it reported that I have 11.2.202.228 installed.
Then I went down to section 3 on the page where it says that the latest version
available for Win7 both 32 and 64 bit is 11.1.102.62
So it seems that the version I downloaded and installed is more recent than
Adobe says is available ??? :)
But it's definitely higher than 9.0

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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Daniel]

Michael Gordon wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start
Seamonkey. Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will
remove them from my screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted
through 2.7.2. I have gone as far as I am willing on "try the next
version, that will fix it" and would like some advice on actually
addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I
use all the time.



Bill,

I don't have an answer for your Calendar. You might look into the
Calendar development Team and see if they have resolution.

I don't blame you one bit for not upgrading to the next version, I had
to revert to 2.3.0 to get all my Ad-Ons to function. No more updates
until the SM Team fixes all the Ad-Ons that once worked with 2.0.
Hacking the install.rdf file only fixed one Ad-On.

Michael G



Michael, if you brought yourself a new Ford and then brought yourself a 
Tow Bar which didn't fit your Ford, would it be Fords problem to change 
the car so the Tow bar fits or should it be up to the manufacturer of 
the Tow bar to change the Tow bar to fix the car.


Same situation here, with SM Council producing a program which others 
then produce Add-On's that third parties can add to program. Not 
Councils problem to make sure SM works with Add-On, but *is* Add-On 
writers duty to make sure that Add-On works, as advertised, with program.


IMHO, of course!

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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Paul]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

SM 2.8  on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS

Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
following error message box:

--- 


   Flash required for this application X
Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher 
installed and unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download 
and install the latest Flash Player _here_


   OK
-- 



where that _here_ is a link to the  Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
download page which reports:

Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
Do you have a different operating system or browser?

Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 
64-bit version of Flash Player


To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected 
from SM

I downloaded and reinstalled it.
However the error message keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail,
But if I click on the X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box
goes away and my webmail session appears to work without crashing or 
obvious

errors.

So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM and my
installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the connection
between my SM and my Flash?


Thats odd.  I use att/yahoo web mail when traveling
and it does not require flash and does not use it.
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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


SM 2.8 on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS

Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
following error message box:

---

Flash required for this application X
Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher
installed and unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download
and install the latest Flash Player _here_

OK
--


where that _here_ is a link to the Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
download page which reports:

Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
Do you have a different operating system or browser?

Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 64-bit
version of Flash Player

To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected
from SM I downloaded and reinstalled it. However the error message
keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail, But if I click on the
X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box goes away and my
webmail session appears to work without crashing or obvious errors.

So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM
and my installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the
connection between my SM and my Flash?


If you go here, Adobe will tell you what you have installed. If they say 
you have it, you have it and the Yahoos are mistaken.




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Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

SM 2.8  on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS

Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
following error message box:

---
   Flash required for this application X
Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher installed and 
unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download and install the 
latest Flash Player _here_


   OK
--

where that _here_ is a link to the  Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
download page which reports:

Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
Do you have a different operating system or browser?

Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 64-bit 
version of Flash Player


To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected from SM
I downloaded and reinstalled it.
However the error message keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail,
But if I click on the X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box
goes away and my webmail session appears to work without crashing or obvious
errors.

So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM and my
installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the connection
between my SM and my Flash?
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Bug 724431 - thought resolved, but duplicated in SM 2.7.2

[Rufus]

Please revisit/readdress bug 724431.  Further detail/clarification 
added.  I had lost track of what I was doing to make this happen, just 
rediscovered the example.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[PhillipJones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-31 3:35 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:



It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of
choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep
pretending the issue doesn't exist.


Bill, that is borderline on a personal attack. If you have question
about a change, just ask. Take the time to investigate a change before
making any judgment, and most certainly before judging the attitude of
individual developers.



The comments were not based on any one person, the odds of developers 
reading this forum are slim to none.  There have been many changes to FF 
and SM over the years that users have railed againts from time to time 
yet users opinions were not considered.


This is not an insult to developers, lumped together or individually. It 
just the nature of things. People that are smarter than others 
regardless of what they do tend not to pay attention to or look down 
others not ar fortunate.


After Bill was given enough time to explain his case for the bug it was 
allowed to continue.


Before he wasn't even given opportunity explain.

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[PhillipJones]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/12 12:59 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Bill Davidsen wrote:


Trying to say this nicely, some developers are more concerned than
others what the users think. Does the phrase "it's FOSS, if you don't
like don't use it, or maintain your own version."


"ring any bells" ?  No, but I am quite willing to believe that
such an attitude exists, even though "maintain your own" is
a non-starter for 99.999% of all Windows users, myself included.


I'm just happy that there is a way around it,


I am not.  I am not willing to install an add-on just in order
to work around a design flaw; an add-on that /adds/ functionality
(such as "Prefbar") yes; one that is needed only because of a
perverse design decision, no.

What is clear as that while the developers may be superb coders,
their design skills are not always as finely honed, and the
Seamonkey user community (many of whom go back to Netscape 1.0,
as do I) have certain expectations : expectations, in particular,
that if Seamonkey ain't broke, it ill behoves the developers to
"fix" it.  /That/, I believe, should be the cardinal rule of
Seamonkey development : fix anything that is broken, but ask
the user community's opinion before breaking anything that isn't.

My EUR 0,02.

Philip Taylor


If you have a bugzilla.mozilla.org login, go to bug #738948 at
  and vote for it.



Voted for it.

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[David E. Ross]

On 3/25/12 2:23 AM, Daniel wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 3/15/12 9:56 AM, Jim Taylor wrote:
>>> SeaMonkey 2.8 now displays graphic files (.jpg, .png, .gif) that are
>>> not full screen centered with a black border around the picture.  The
>>> previous way through 2.7.2 was to display them top left justified on a
>>> white screen.  Is this change by design And if so is there some
>>> setting I can change to get the old way back?  Or at least change the
>>> border from black to white?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
>> user-specified background color.  It was closed as WontFix without any
>> explaination of why that would be a bad idea.  I reopened the bug report
>> to request such an explanation.  I don't know how long it will remain
>> open.  See.
>>
>> In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
>> reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
>> configured their browsers.  Here, however, we have a case where someone
>> decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers.
>>   This is just plain wrong.  Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
>> that is not wrong?
>>
> 
> And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you 
> re-opened it.
> 
> Daniel
> 

The bug is now open and has remained open for three days without again
being closed.

Apparently, some Mozilla developer thought I was asking for a NEW
user-set background color specifically for stand-alone images.  Since I
clarified that I merely wanted an option for the same user-set
background color for Web pages that has been a feature since the days of
Netscape Navigator -- and was used for stand-alone images before the
recent disimprovement -- it seems that opposition to my bug report has
been reduced.

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Some corrupt mail folders or files (Mac)

[Tiger]

I have two Seamonkey profiles: one for normal use and another one for 
archiving all my old email.

I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.14 on a PPC G4 based Mac running MacOSX 10.5.8).

Having just reinstalled all my files from a backup drive I'm having 
trouble with the "archive" profile (the normal profile works fine). When 
choosing the archive profile the crash reporter pops up with the 
following message:


--
We're sorry.
The application had a problem and crashed.
Unfortunately the crash reporter is unable to submit a report for this 
crash.

Details: The application didn't leave an application data file.

   [OK]
---


Remembering that I've run into these problems before I immediately 
opened the "Mail" folder inside the archive profile folder 
(~/Library/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/PROFILE.NAME/Mail/ACCOUNTNAME) to have a look.
Next (after quitting SM) I created an empty folder within the "Mail" 
folder's account-name subfolder and moved all the mail files to it and 
restarted SM with the archive folder. Worked fine, confirming that the 
Mail folder is the culprit.
Next I move one by one mailbox ("NAME.sbd", "NAME.msf" and "NAME" files) 
back into the "Mail/ACCOUNTNAME/" folder followed by restarting SM to 
see which file(s) are the problem. Actually it seems many files cause 
the problem, but I can't find any pattern or other reasons why. I've 
already deleted all the .msf index files inside the archive folder and 
its sub-folder) without that solving the problem either.

Any ideas?

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[David E. Ross]

On 3/31/12 12:59 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
> 
>> Trying to say this nicely, some developers are more concerned than
>> others what the users think. Does the phrase "it's FOSS, if you don't
>> like don't use it, or maintain your own version."
> 
> "ring any bells" ?  No, but I am quite willing to believe that
> such an attitude exists, even though "maintain your own" is
> a non-starter for 99.999% of all Windows users, myself included.
> 
>> I'm just happy that there is a way around it,
> 
> I am not.  I am not willing to install an add-on just in order
> to work around a design flaw; an add-on that /adds/ functionality
> (such as "Prefbar") yes; one that is needed only because of a
> perverse design decision, no.
> 
> What is clear as that while the developers may be superb coders,
> their design skills are not always as finely honed, and the
> Seamonkey user community (many of whom go back to Netscape 1.0,
> as do I) have certain expectations : expectations, in particular,
> that if Seamonkey ain't broke, it ill behoves the developers to
> "fix" it.  /That/, I believe, should be the cardinal rule of
> Seamonkey development : fix anything that is broken, but ask
> the user community's opinion before breaking anything that isn't.
> 
> My EUR 0,02.
> 
> Philip Taylor

If you have a bugzilla.mozilla.org login, go to bug #738948 at
 and vote for it.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 4:32 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-31 3:11 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested
in that (and others too I guess!).


1. Made sure any windows recorded were 800x600 by using Sizer

2. Recorded using BBFlashback Express
.
3. Exported to uncompressed AVI file.
4. Converted to webm with Free WebM Encoder
. There are probably better
converters out there now. That's just what I happen to have.


I shoudl add that there more tools listed at 



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Re: Composing a mail add "-- " if the signature is in html

[Ray_Net]

Lucas Levrel wrote, On 31/03/2012 16:08:

Le 31 mars 2012, Ray_Net a écrit :


--
Raymond,
--
 
 etc


Maybe try to toggle "suppress_signature_separator" to true in 
about:config? (I didn't try, but mine shows a default of "false".)


Nice idea  but WHY when false and the signature is in pure plain 
text, SM did not add this separator ?

SM do it only if the signature is in html mode and contain at least one tag.
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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 3:35 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
user-specified background color. It was closed as WontFix without any
explaination of why that would be a bad idea. I reopened the bug report
to request such an explanation. I don't know how long it will remain
open. See.

In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
configured their browsers. Here, however, we have a case where someone
decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers.
This is just plain wrong. Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
that is not wrong?


And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you
re-opened it.


It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of
choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep
pretending the issue doesn't exist.


Bill, that is borderline on a personal attack. If you have question 
about a change, just ask. Take the time to investigate a change before 
making any judgment, and most certainly before judging the attitude of 
individual developers.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


Actually, it's not an error or a warning. It's an important note to
make sure any visitors know of the browser requirements. If it's
causing confusion, I'll just remove it. A similar text already comes
up for browsers that don't support the video tag. The only exception
is Safari.


If that's your intention, all you have to do is tone down the format. 
The message itself is useful.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 4:08 AM, Christian Riechers wrote:

On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updating!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
.



With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
"The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers."
The webcasts are working though.


Actually, it's not an error or a warning. It's an important note to make 
sure any visitors know of the browser requirements. If it's causing 
confusion, I'll just remove it. A similar text already comes up for 
browsers that don't support the video tag. The only exception is Safari.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 3:11 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested
in that (and others too I guess!).


1. Made sure any windows recorded were 800x600 by using Sizer 

2. Recorded using BBFlashback Express 
.

3. Exported to uncompressed AVI file.
4. Converted to webm with Free WebM Encoder 
. There are probably better 
converters out there now. That's just what I happen to have.



I also see you already have something related to styling bookmarks on
the Personal Toolbar (BTW: It's called Bookmarks Toolbar now since
2.9b1). Care to add a page for hiding entries from the Bookmarks menu?
Like this:

#BMB_unsortedBookmarksFolderMenu,
#BMB_bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu,
#BMB_feedsMenu {display:none !important;}


Thanks. I'll add that when 2.9 comes out.


Which brings me to my last request, which is to offer users an easy way
to provide feedback on each page. I think some people will have
questions, suggest improvements, or maybe find mistakes.


My contact link is at the bottom of every page (part of the footer).

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-30 7:34 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

May I make the albeit simple request (but time consuming to do) of
providing subtitles for the screencasts, optionally turned on.

I am told HTML5 Vid/Aud API allows you to make it even match timing of
the vid without too much effort, which can in theory even allow others
to translate if wanted.

The key reason I ask it is so that people who (a) Don't understand
english well, but can read typed words or can use a translator can get
the help. and (b) people who have a disability in their hearing [and
possibly vision] can get either a transcript or a good account of the
tip/advice being mentioned.


* I wouldn't know how.

* The reason for not including text instructions is because the amount 
of time/work involved was not worth what it added to screencasts.


* In most cases, you can mute the video and still have a very good idea 
of what to do.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Rufus]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Despite
having been a subscriber to this mailing list for quite
some time, I have no recollection of the Seamonkey team
ever saying "We are considering doing so-and-so for
a future release, and would be interested to learn how
the user community feel about it".


In this case it was a by design *core* change that caused it. And as
such we did not come to the *SeaMonkey* user community to explicitly ask
about it.

Though in *theory* we could override the core choice here, I don't see a
strongly compelling reason to do so.


I'll give you one, "print screen." Without the extension installed you
really kind of have to actually save the image and use another tool to
print, since the black border is ugly, and printer ink is even more
expensive than gasoline.



What happens if the user selects "Print" instead of "Print Screen"?

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Rufus]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/15/12 9:56 AM, Jim Taylor wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.8 now displays graphic files (.jpg, .png, .gif) that are
not full screen centered with a black border around the picture. The
previous way through 2.7.2 was to display them top left justified on a
white screen. Is this change by design And if so is there some
setting I can change to get the old way back? Or at least change the
border from black to white?

Jim


I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
user-specified background color. It was closed as WontFix without any
explaination of why that would be a bad idea. I reopened the bug report
to request such an explanation. I don't know how long it will remain
open. See.

In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
configured their browsers. Here, however, we have a case where someone
decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers.
This is just plain wrong. Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
that is not wrong?



And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you
re-opened it.


It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of
choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep
pretending the issue doesn't exist.



...just like with the stupid small buttons.

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Philip TAYLOR]

Bill Davidsen wrote:


Trying to say this nicely, some developers are more concerned than
others what the users think. Does the phrase "it's FOSS, if you don't
like don't use it, or maintain your own version."


"ring any bells" ?  No, but I am quite willing to believe that
such an attitude exists, even though "maintain your own" is
a non-starter for 99.999% of all Windows users, myself included.


I'm just happy that there is a way around it,


I am not.  I am not willing to install an add-on just in order
to work around a design flaw; an add-on that /adds/ functionality
(such as "Prefbar") yes; one that is needed only because of a
perverse design decision, no.

What is clear as that while the developers may be superb coders,
their design skills are not always as finely honed, and the
Seamonkey user community (many of whom go back to Netscape 1.0,
as do I) have certain expectations : expectations, in particular,
that if Seamonkey ain't broke, it ill behoves the developers to
"fix" it.  /That/, I believe, should be the cardinal rule of
Seamonkey development : fix anything that is broken, but ask
the user community's opinion before breaking anything that isn't.

My EUR 0,02.

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/25/12 2:23 AM, Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/15/12 9:56 AM, Jim Taylor wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.8 now displays graphic files (.jpg, .png, .gif) that are
not full screen centered with a black border around the picture.  The
previous way through 2.7.2 was to display them top left justified on a
white screen.  Is this change by design And if so is there some
setting I can change to get the old way back?  Or at least change the
border from black to white?

Jim


I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
user-specified background color.  It was closed as WontFix without any
explaination of why that would be a bad idea.  I reopened the bug report
to request such an explanation.  I don't know how long it will remain
open.  See.

In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
configured their browsers.  Here, however, we have a case where someone
decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers.
   This is just plain wrong.  Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
that is not wrong?



And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you
re-opened it.

Daniel



What I do not understand is why, if Kimura is so adamant that the user
should have NO option, the implementation of bug #376997 did not contain
code to block installation of the Old Default Image Style extension.

That may be "fixed" in 2.8.1 in response to a "Users are overriding the 
developers preferred presentation" or some such.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/15/12 9:56 AM, Jim Taylor wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.8 now displays graphic files (.jpg, .png, .gif) that are
not full screen centered with a black border around the picture. The
previous way through 2.7.2 was to display them top left justified on a
white screen. Is this change by design And if so is there some
setting I can change to get the old way back? Or at least change the
border from black to white?

Jim


I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
user-specified background color. It was closed as WontFix without any
explaination of why that would be a bad idea. I reopened the bug report
to request such an explanation. I don't know how long it will remain
open. See.

In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
configured their browsers. Here, however, we have a case where someone
decided to have the browser override how users configure their browsers.
This is just plain wrong. Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
that is not wrong?



And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you
re-opened it.


It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of choice *OR* 
explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep pretending the issue 
doesn't exist.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


In this case it was a by design *core* change that caused it. And as
such we did not come to the *SeaMonkey* user community to explicitly ask
about it.

Though in *theory* we could override the core choice here, I don't see a
strongly compelling reason to do so.


OK, that I understand. But I still have no clear recollection
of the Seamonkey team approaching this list with ideas for
future versions of Seamonkey and asking for feedback on
acceptability. Could you please let me (us) know whether
that is the norm, or are all decisions as to the evolutionary
route taken by a central cadre without seeking the advice
and opinions of the subscribers to this list ?


Trying to say this nicely, some developers are more concerned than others what 
the users think. Does the phrase "it's FOSS, if you don't like don't use it, or 
maintain your own version."


I'm just happy that there is a way around it, but I agree it's a bad default 
because printing the screen uses way too much ink.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Michael Gordon]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2012 10:49, BIll Spikowski wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


Remove cache and cookies to see if that works.



Remove cache, or just delete files in the cache?

Delete ALL cookies? That seems pretty dramatic -- are there some
specific cookies that might interfere with email?




Bill,

If all else fails try mail2web.com.  You will have to have all your 
e-mail account names and passwords to access your mail accounts.  This 
is a web based mail account application and works somewhat like Gmail.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Paul B. Gallagher]

BIll Spikowski wrote:


Jay Garcia wrote:


I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


Remove cache and cookies to see if that works.



Remove cache, or just delete files in the cache?

Delete ALL cookies? That seems pretty dramatic -- are there some
specific cookies that might interfere with email?


What are you worried about? I've had SeaMonkey set to delete all cookies 
on close for years, and never missed them. It's not like your favorite 
busybody websites don't know how to set new cookies to monitor your 
every move...


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Despite
having been a subscriber to this mailing list for quite
some time, I have no recollection of the Seamonkey team
ever saying "We are considering doing so-and-so for
a future release, and would be interested to learn how
the user community feel about it".


In this case it was a by design *core* change that caused it. And as
such we did not come to the *SeaMonkey* user community to explicitly ask
about it.

Though in *theory* we could override the core choice here, I don't see a
strongly compelling reason to do so.

I'll give you one, "print screen." Without the extension installed you really 
kind of have to actually save the image and use another tool to print, since the 
black border is ugly, and printer ink is even more expensive than gasoline.


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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Michael Gordon]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start
Seamonkey. Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will
remove them from my screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted
through 2.7.2. I have gone as far as I am willing on "try the next
version, that will fix it" and would like some advice on actually
addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I
use all the time.



Bill,

I don't have an answer for your Calendar.  You might look into the 
Calendar development Team and see if they have  resolution.


I don't blame you one bit for not upgrading to the next version, I had 
to revert to 2.3.0 to get all my Ad-Ons to function.  No more updates 
until the SM Team fixes all the Ad-Ons that once worked with 2.0. 
Hacking the install.rdf file only fixed one Ad-On.


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Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Bill Davidsen]

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey. 
Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will remove them from my 
screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as 
far as I am willing on "try the next version, that will fix it" and would like 
some advice on actually addressing the issue.


Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all 
the time.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[BIll Spikowski]

Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 31.03.2012 10:49, BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>  --- Original Message ---
> 
>> This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
>> business trip.
>>
>> On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
>> incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.
>>
>> On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
>> access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
>> webmail (all other websites operated normally).
>>
>> I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
>> I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
>> might be?
> 
> Remove cache and cookies to see if that works.


Remove cache, or just delete files in the cache?

Delete ALL cookies? That seems pretty dramatic -- are there some
specific cookies that might interfere with email?


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Christian Riechers wrote:


On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updating!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
.



With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
"The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers."
The webcasts are working though.


Yeah, the warning is pretty scary, makes visitors think the website is 
already rejecting them. But the screencasts do work, so I need not have 
given up after seeing that.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Jay Garcia]

On 31.03.2012 10:49, BIll Spikowski wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
> business trip.
> 
> On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
> incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.
> 
> On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
> access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
> webmail (all other websites operated normally).
> 
> I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
> I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
> might be?

Remove cache and cookies to see if that works.

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Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[BIll Spikowski]

This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?
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Re: Composing a mail add "-- " if the signature is in html

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 31 mars 2012, Ray_Net a écrit :


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 etc


Maybe try to toggle "suppress_signature_separator" to true in 
about:config? (I didn't try, but mine shows a default of "false".)


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Re: error code help

[Daniel]

Daniel wrote:

Norvin wrote:

hawker wrote:

On 3/30/2012 2:16 PM, Norvin wrote:

Today I start getting an error code of -12263 and was wondering where
I can find the reason/cause. I am using SM1.1.18. The site that I am
trying to get to works with IE.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.


Man that is a way old version of SM and not really supported anymore.
My guess is there are more than a few sites that are not going to work
properly with it as a result.

What is keeping you from updating to the current version of Seamonkey?
The only valid reason I could see to be still using it is if you have
a very old and slow computer with an older OS on it. IE PIII or early
PIV (under 2GHz)


Thanks, that is what I was afraid of. The reason is that my wife is not
very computer savvy and we used to use Mozilla before it became SM. The
only problem we had when we change was that emails became a problem for
the wife. Under Moz. I was able to filter out all addresses of her
friends and put them into her mail box. Then whenever she would
forward/reply to an email, it would show her as the sender and not me. I
know it is a small thing to just change it in address box, BUT, like I
said, she is not very savvy and memory is short. When SM came about I
started using it and was happy and she was still able to use Moz. since
SM 1.x.xx and Moz shared the files. However, when SM 2 hit the road,
there was no more sharing causing some problems with her emailing
friends. After using SM 2.XX for a month or so I had to backtrack to
SM1.1.18 and that is where I am today. I don't really see any problems
with SM 2.XXX, with the above exceptions. After SM2 came out I did asked
how I could make some personal changes to the program, but all I got
was, "if you don't like it, don't use it", which really surprised me
since the different forums have always been so friendly. I have been a
long user starting with Netscape with a 4K dial-up modem.
Thanks for letting me bend your ear, have a good day.


Norvin, for me, SM 2.8 works and looks very much like SM 1.1.18, so, for
me, the changes that the SeaMonkey Consortium have made have been "under
the hood" modifications to keep me safe.

There may be a work-around possible, that will help get both you and
your wife up-to-date, so I'll lay out my suggestion here and those more
in-the-know than me can shoot me down or you can give it a test drive
and see if it works..

Firstly, you will need to update your SM 1.1.18 to SM 2.0, then let it
upgrade to SM 2.8, then .

In SM, you can have more than one mail account, so you can have your
e-mail account (called Norvin or whatever) and you can set up a new
account for your wife (called Beloved or whatever).

Set her SM e-mail account outgoing e-mail up with the identity of
"Beloved"  so her outgoing e-mails will seem to
be from her, and you might be able to set up a filter on your e-mail
account (Tools->Message Filters) so that any e-mails to "Beloved" are
moved to her e-mail account and marked as "Unread". Similarly, any
e-mails that might be downloaded into her account, that are not for her
i.e. not equal to "Beloved", can/might be filtered into your e-mail
account for you to handle.

I don't know if the separate e-mail account would be able to have a
separate e-mail addressbooks, but, at the very least, you should be able
to set up a list of e-mail addresses that your wife uses, call it
Beloved-list (or whatever) with-in your e-mail addressbook. If your wife
does a bit of browsing, you might be able to do a similar things with
her web bookmarks.

If what I've suggested above is not with-in SM's capabilities, I'm sure
those in the know here will let us both know.



Norvin, it just occured to me that you could also set your wife up with 
a profile of her own, also.


Check out Tools->Switch Profiles.

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Re: error code help

[Daniel]

Norvin wrote:

hawker wrote:

On 3/30/2012 2:16 PM, Norvin wrote:

Today I start getting an error code of -12263 and was wondering where
I can find the reason/cause. I am using SM1.1.18. The site that I am
trying to get to works with IE.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.


Man that is a way old version of SM and not really supported anymore.
My guess is there are more than a few sites that are not going to work
properly with it as a result.

What is keeping you from updating to the current version of Seamonkey?
The only valid reason I could see to be still using it is if you have
a very old and slow computer with an older OS on it. IE PIII or early
PIV (under 2GHz)


Thanks, that is what I was afraid of. The reason is that my wife is not
very computer savvy and we used to use Mozilla before it became SM. The
only problem we had when we change was that emails became a problem for
the wife. Under Moz. I was able to filter out all addresses of her
friends and put them into her mail box. Then whenever she would
forward/reply to an email, it would show her as the sender and not me. I
know it is a small thing to just change it in address box, BUT, like I
said, she is not very savvy and memory is short. When SM came about I
started using it and was happy and she was still able to use Moz. since
SM 1.x.xx and Moz shared the files. However, when SM 2 hit the road,
there was no more sharing causing some problems with her emailing
friends. After using SM 2.XX for a month or so I had to backtrack to
SM1.1.18 and that is where I am today. I don't really see any problems
with SM 2.XXX, with the above exceptions. After SM2 came out I did asked
how I could make some personal changes to the program, but all I got
was, "if you don't like it, don't use it", which really surprised me
since the different forums have always been so friendly. I have been a
long user starting with Netscape with a 4K dial-up modem.
Thanks for letting me bend your ear, have a good day.


Norvin, for me, SM 2.8 works and looks very much like SM 1.1.18, so, for 
me, the changes that the SeaMonkey Consortium have made have been "under 
the hood" modifications to keep me safe.


There may be a work-around possible, that will help get both you and 
your wife up-to-date, so I'll lay out my suggestion here and those more 
in-the-know than me can shoot me down or you can give it a test drive 
and see if it works..


Firstly, you will need to update your SM 1.1.18 to SM 2.0, then let it 
upgrade to SM 2.8, then .


In SM, you can have more than one mail account, so you can have your 
e-mail account (called Norvin or whatever) and you can set up a new 
account for your wife (called Beloved or whatever).


Set her SM e-mail account outgoing e-mail up with the identity of 
"Beloved"  so her outgoing e-mails will seem to 
be from her, and you might be able to set up a filter on your e-mail 
account (Tools->Message Filters) so that any e-mails to "Beloved" are 
moved to her e-mail account and marked as "Unread". Similarly, any 
e-mails that might be downloaded into her account, that are not for her 
i.e. not equal to "Beloved", can/might be filtered into your e-mail 
account for you to handle.


I don't know if the separate e-mail account would be able to have a 
separate e-mail addressbooks, but, at the very least, you should be able 
to set up a list of e-mail addresses that your wife uses, call it 
Beloved-list (or whatever) with-in your e-mail addressbook. If your wife 
does a bit of browsing, you might be able to do a similar things with 
her web bookmarks.


If what I've suggested above is not with-in SM's capabilities, I'm sure 
those in the know here will let us both know.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

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On 3/30/2012 5:21 PM Chris Ilias submitted the following:
> I've finished updating !
> 
> Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is mostly
> screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
> .
> 

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Re: Importing bookmarks from Firefox

[Daniel]

silverfox38 wrote:

On 03/29/2012 21:28, Daniel wrote:

silverfox38 wrote:

On 03/29/2012 12:48, silverfox38 wrote:

On 03/29/2012 09:55, Daniel wrote:

silverfox38 wrote:


Installed SM 2.9 and it did not import bookmarks from Firefox 11 nor
did
I find options to do it. When I had SM before (quite some time
ago!), I
had no such problems, is there a different way to do this type of
importing now? I did find Importing HTML but it wants to import
from a
file? Does not show option to import from Firefox?

TIA

Charlie


Charlie, is it possible that the last time you installed SeaMonkey and
then deleted it, you left behind a profile, so that when you installed
SM this time, it found that old profile and just carried on??

Was/Is the profile that SM is using now up-to-date??


This is a new d/l, did not have Seamonkey on this computer before, just
d/l to try it out, I could go to Regedit and try to look for any
Seamonkey leftovers if you think that helps?
The only thing that it said was that it was getting TB account, nothing
else, I thought it strange not asking about FF profile, bookmarks, etc.

TIA


Charlie

Cleanned registry of all Seamonkey files, d/l Seamonkey 2.8 this time
and the same thing happened! Can not find bookmarks anywhere!

TIA

Charlie


Sorry, in your original post, you had "When I had SM before (quite some
time ago!)", so I thought you did have SM installed on this computer.
When you removed SeaMonkey, it (normally) does not delete your profile,
which is stored separate from the program, so, again, you may be finding
your old profile.

In any case, in Firefox, find out where it is storing your profile
information such as your bookmarks. I think you might be able to find it
listed somewhere under "Options". If possible, export your Bookmarks as
a HTML file and note where the file is stored.

When you know where FF has your Bookmarks, start SM, select Bookmarks
and then "Manage Bookmarks", select "Tools" and then "import HTML",
point to where you stored your FF bookmarks and away you go.

HTH


Thanks very much to all who helped. Things have certainly changed over
the years how stuff is done here and one does not keep up with it!!!
Taken a bit of info from all, I did find the FF bookmarks and have now
saved it in html form for future reference.

Thanks again.

Charlie


Good to know we've helped you sort your problem.

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Re: Outgong email

[Daniel]

hawker wrote:

On 3/30/2012 6:10 AM, Daniel wrote:

David Guymer wrote:

Over the last few weeks I cannot send any emails via Seamonkey. All
attempts to send emails time out.

I can send from Outlook. And I can send from SM to NewsGoups.

David Guymer


David, have you checked that you have SeaMonkey set-up to the same
outbound account name and password as you do for Outlook??

Your ISP should not care what program you are using to send you e-mail,
as long as the account name and password are correct.


Also make sure you are sending out the same port on each. Perhaps your
ISP closed a port. You may want to try port 587 and port 25 for outgoing
and see if one works better than the other. My money is they closed 25
and you need to use 587 now. This seems to be a common movement.


Yeap, good advice, I always forget port numbers!! (a.k.a. don't 
understand port numbers!!)


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> I've finished updating !
> 
> Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
> mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
> .
> 

With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
"The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers."
The webcasts are working though.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Jens Hatlak]

Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updating !


Bravo! Congrats! This is huge. :-)


Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
.


I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating 
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like 
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know 
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested 
in that (and others too I guess!).


While Justin's comments certainly do apply, I'd like to highlight that 
what you've done now is already a huge win in my eyes. Our support pages 
are lacking some information, though I think I already did some 
improvements (both on the official website and on the wiki), but there's 
always stuff I'd like to do but where I'm lacking time.


I'll assume from now on that your site is up-to-date again (at least for 
the most part) and recommend users to check it out in case of routine 
issues or anything else not already covered by the release notes or 
official website docs. I'll also link it from the wiki User FAQ page in 
a second.


For example I planned to create a wiki page for basic CSS hacks, like 
increasing the menu font size, hiding menu entries (like from the 
Bookmarks menu) or styling MailNews messages. But I think those are much 
better explained using a video accompanied by some prose.


Let's take menu fonts. You already have a page for that, namely 
. I think it's well 
done. I'd only recommend to also explain how to increase the main menu 
font size as well, like so:


menu, menuitem {font-size: 32px !important;}

I also see you already have something related to styling bookmarks on 
the Personal Toolbar (BTW: It's called Bookmarks Toolbar now since 
2.9b1). Care to add a page for hiding entries from the Bookmarks menu? 
Like this:


#BMB_unsortedBookmarksFolderMenu,
#BMB_bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu,
#BMB_feedsMenu {display:none !important;}

Which brings me to my last request, which is to offer users an easy way 
to provide feedback on each page. I think some people will have 
questions, suggest improvements, or maybe find mistakes. If you directed 
them towards your preferred way of communication (easiest: email 
address, best: form with comment box and an internal note from which 
page feedback was submitted; might require Captcha to prevent spam), 
that would relieve the user from asking themselves whether you actually 
want feedback in the first place, and through which channel (which means 
having to search for that information).


Finally, if you need help with small things or clarification, let me know.

Greetings,

Jens

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