Highlight the effective domain for web sites and FTP locations

2012-09-03 Thread Philip TAYLOR

I am unclear on what basis Seamonkey determined the effective domain.
For a number of sites under my control, I register a top-level domain
(e.g., example.org) and then create a number of different sites
under that domain (e.g., photos.example.org, poems.example.org).
These are completely different sites, yet Seamonkey regards the
effective domain as example.org whereas what I would imagine
is relevant to the visitor is that he/she knows that he/she is
on (e.g.,) poems.example.org and not on photos.example org.

On what basis does Seamonkey determine the effective domain ?

Philip Taylor
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Re: Highlight the effective domain for web sites and FTP locations

2012-09-03 Thread Philip Chee
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:53:02 +0100, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
 I am unclear on what basis Seamonkey determined the effective domain.
 For a number of sites under my control, I register a top-level domain
 (e.g., example.org) and then create a number of different sites
 under that domain (e.g., photos.example.org, poems.example.org).
 These are completely different sites, yet Seamonkey regards the
 effective domain as example.org whereas what I would imagine
 is relevant to the visitor is that he/she knows that he/she is
 on (e.g.,) poems.example.org and not on photos.example org.
 
 On what basis does Seamonkey determine the effective domain ?

We use a gecko service called nsIEffectiveTLDService.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIEffectiveTLDService
This uses the data from:
http://publicsuffix.org/
http://publicsuffix.org/list/

The full list itself can be found here:
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/dns/effective_tld_names.dat

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Re: Composer won't search ctrl+F

2012-09-03 Thread Daniel

Rick Merrill wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

how come Composer will not search text?

Nevermind: NOW it is working!



Don't ya just hate that!?!?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread Daniel

Rufus wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Snip


I get the black bars on either side, too. If I maximize the video,
that's expected because of the 4:3 aspect ratio.

I don't get any doubling, whatever that means, but there does seem to
be an unrelated background image behind the vid:
http://i4.ytimg.com/u/shnCkfV7U6DqR4IHbQbI7Q/new_watch_background.jpg



Yeah - that's what I see, but two half-panes of it split across the
presentation left and right.  Goofy.  I wonder if it could be because of
any one of the ad-blocker add-onns I'm using, like Ghostery or Adblock
Plus?

I hadn't tried maximizing the presentation - just tried, and that
looks/plays just fine.



Interesting that you mention Ghostery, Rufus! I've been trying to catch 
up on part one of a three part T.V. doco, but when I go to:-


http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/video/201/series-2-episode-1

I get a blank screen, not even any of the buttons, volume bar at the 
bottom of the screen.


I do have Ghostery installed and it tells me it's blocked the Twitter 
Button below the screen!.


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:14.0) 
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11


Was going to have another try on Wednesday, when I boot up into my Win7 
entity (to update all my bits and pieces) to see if that works!


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread Daniel

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/2/12 8:06 AM, zfhgfhfj wrote:

I just wanted to remain the devs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

SeaMonkey is still FAT !!!



remain??

I tried that link, both in Safe Mode (no extensions) and normal (a list
of 17 extensions).  It works okay, both the advertisement and the actual
Mad Al.



Ditto.and remain = remind, I think!!

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Re: Highlight the effective domain for web sites and FTP locations

2012-09-03 Thread Daniel

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

I am unclear on what basis Seamonkey determined the effective domain.
For a number of sites under my control, I register a top-level domain
(e.g., example.org) and then create a number of different sites
under that domain (e.g., photos.example.org, poems.example.org).
These are completely different sites, yet Seamonkey regards the
effective domain as example.org whereas what I would imagine
is relevant to the visitor is that he/she knows that he/she is
on (e.g.,) poems.example.org and not on photos.example org.

On what basis does Seamonkey determine the effective domain ?

Philip Taylor


For what it's worth, a couple of years back, in moz.gen I think, I asked 
what was the difference between a site named, e.g., poems.example.org 
and example.org/poems and I thick it was Jay that responded that the two 
sites are effectively the same, but that it would actually be 
quicker/easier for the hosting server to locate poems.example.org


In both cases, example.org was the effective domain.

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browser behaves badly

2012-09-03 Thread Smiles
good day is it now normally for the browser to open behind mail page 
every time you go to a new web site it is aggravating using 2.11


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread zfhgfhfj

Rufus wrote:

I'm on a Mac...registry?  What's that?

I don't see any problems except for this one link - everything else is
fine.  It's not a problem for me, just strange.


Oh, Registry is the configuration file of Windows, nvm then. Use 
Photobucket or another image/file hosting website to display your error.

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Re: yEnc

2012-09-03 Thread G. Ross

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line
if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet
post.  Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without
coding the appropriate flag in the subject.

I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the
subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts
with =ybegin in the message body?

I have used Nfilter for such uses, but it is an old cranky program. 
You can set it to avoid messages sent from a specific site, or from 
Yahoo, or from  specific persons, certain words in the heading, even 
for posts sent to more than, say, two different newsgroups.  Not sure 
about for certain words in the message, though.


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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread Cruz, Jaime

Neil wrote:

Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. When
those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it prompts
you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It can also be
set as your default news and RSS client.)


Nothing yet... :-(

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Re: yEnc

2012-09-03 Thread Cruz, Jaime

Rufus wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject
line
if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet
post.  Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without
coding the appropriate flag in the subject.

I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the
subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts
with =ybegin in the message body?



Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed
to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a
Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if
Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message.

Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the
Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows
better, please enlighten the both of us.  I'd like to use this sort of
thing myself!



I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers.



Yeah - that's where I get confused.  The Customize dialog says new
message header; does that mean a system generated header in the
message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in
the drop-down list?

It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do
those relate to header information?



Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header 
that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work...



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Re: browser behaves badly

2012-09-03 Thread Hank

Smiles wrote:

good day is it now normally for the browser to open behind mail page
every time you go to a new web site it is aggravating using 2.11

thanks
This is caused by the version of Flash released about 8/25/2012.  I 
replaced it with an earlier version.  I don't know if the real fix 
should come from Adobe or SM.

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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread Hartmut Figge
Cruz, Jaime:
Neil wrote:

 Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. When
 those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it prompts
 you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It can also be
 set as your default news and RSS client.)

Nothing yet... :-(

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm120903.png

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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread Neil

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


Neil wrote:

Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. 
When those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it 
prompts you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It 
can also be set as your default news and RSS client.)


Nothing yet... :-(


You don't seem to be running Linux. You also don't seem to be running 
the nightly, which is an important point that got lost in my editing.


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Re: How can I find my previous profile

2012-09-03 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 02/09/2012 08:10, Alex Beauroy told the world:
 How can I find my previous profile
 I had Seamonkey on a PC with Vista
 My computer went kaput I had to change the Mothercard, the processor,
  in order to be able to connect to internet I upgraded to Windows 7
 Can you help me to restore my previous profiles

Your previous profile, in your old Vista installation, SHOULD be at:

C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles

Same as in Windows 7, in fact.

Now, if you did a full reinstall from the Windows 7 DVD in the same
disk, your old install folders (which include the C:\Windows, C:Program
Files and C:\Users, among others) were probably moved to a separate
folder called C:\Windows.old. So it's possible that your old SM profile
is located at:

C:Windows.old\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread Rufus

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Snip


I get the black bars on either side, too. If I maximize the video,
that's expected because of the 4:3 aspect ratio.

I don't get any doubling, whatever that means, but there does seem to
be an unrelated background image behind the vid:
http://i4.ytimg.com/u/shnCkfV7U6DqR4IHbQbI7Q/new_watch_background.jpg



Yeah - that's what I see, but two half-panes of it split across the
presentation left and right.  Goofy.  I wonder if it could be because of
any one of the ad-blocker add-onns I'm using, like Ghostery or Adblock
Plus?

I hadn't tried maximizing the presentation - just tried, and that
looks/plays just fine.



Interesting that you mention Ghostery, Rufus! I've been trying to catch
up on part one of a three part T.V. doco, but when I go to:-

http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/video/201/series-2-episode-1

I get a blank screen, not even any of the buttons, volume bar at the
bottom of the screen.

I do have Ghostery installed and it tells me it's blocked the Twitter
Button below the screen!.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11

Was going to have another try on Wednesday, when I boot up into my Win7
entity (to update all my bits and pieces) to see if that works!



hmmmnn.  I get quite a bit of blocked areas, but I did get the 
player at the center of the screen with a play button in it - however 
when I clicked it I got a this content is presently unavailable audio 
message.


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Re: yEnc

2012-09-03 Thread Rufus

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Rufus wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject
line
if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet
post.  Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without
coding the appropriate flag in the subject.

I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the
subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts
with =ybegin in the message body?



Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed
to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a
Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if
Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message.

Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the
Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows
better, please enlighten the both of us.  I'd like to use this sort of
thing myself!



I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers.



Yeah - that's where I get confused.  The Customize dialog says new
message header; does that mean a system generated header in the
message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in
the drop-down list?

It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do
those relate to header information?



Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header
that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work...




And when I look at Show Headers All I can't find one that says Size.

Maybe there's something in Content Type or another Header you could 
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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread Cruz, Jaime

Neil wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


Neil wrote:


Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service.
When those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it
prompts you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It
can also be set as your default news and RSS client.)


Nothing yet... :-(


You don't seem to be running Linux. You also don't seem to be running
the nightly, which is an important point that got lost in my editing.



That was posted from my Windows machine.  Better?


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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread NoOp
On 09/03/2012 08:33 AM, Neil wrote:
 Cruz, Jaime wrote:
 
 Neil wrote:

 Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. 
 When those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it 
 prompts you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It 
 can also be set as your default news and RSS client.)

 Nothing yet... :-(
 
 You don't seem to be running Linux. You also don't seem to be running 
 the nightly, which is an important point that got lost in my editing.
 

gnome-shell is an entire desktop:

$ apt-cache show gnome-shell
Package: gnome-shell
Priority: optional
Section: universe/gnome
... snipped
Description-en: graphical shell for the GNOME desktop
 The GNOME Shell redefines user interactions with the GNOME desktop.
 In particular, it offers new paradigms for launching applications,
 accessing documents, and organizing open windows in GNOME. Later, it
 will introduce a new applets eco-system and offer new solutions for
 other desktop features, such as notifications and contacts
 management. The GNOME Shell is intended to replace functions handled
 by the GNOME Panel and by the window manager in previous versions of
 GNOME. The GNOME Shell has rich visual effects enabled by new
 graphical technologies.
...

There is no such service that I'm aware of:

$ ps -eH | grep gnome
 2720 ?00:00:00   gnome-session
 2796 ?00:00:05 gnome-settings-
 2834 ?00:01:00 gnome-panel
 2844 ?00:00:00 polkit-gnome-au
 2850 ?00:00:00 gnome-fallback-
 2918 ?00:00:00 gnome-screensav
 2709 ?00:00:00   gnome-keyring-d
 3064 ?00:00:04   gnome-terminal
 3070 ?00:00:00 gnome-pty-helpe

How about telling us what to look for and what you'd like us to test
(including which version of SeaMonkey)?
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Re: yEnc

2012-09-03 Thread Rufus

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Rufus wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject
line
if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet
post.  Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without
coding the appropriate flag in the subject.

I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the
subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts
with =ybegin in the message body?



Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed
to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a
Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if
Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message.

Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the
Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows
better, please enlighten the both of us.  I'd like to use this sort of
thing myself!



I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers.



Yeah - that's where I get confused.  The Customize dialog says new
message header; does that mean a system generated header in the
message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in
the drop-down list?

It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do
those relate to header information?



Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header
that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work...




I just took a try at my own suggestion, and it doesn't work...:(

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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-03 Thread WaltS
On 09/02/2012 02:42 PM, Neil wrote:
 Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. When
 those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it prompts
 you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It can also be
 set as your default news and RSS client.)
 

Just installed Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/18.0
Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15a1 Build ID: 20120202003005 to test this, and
when I select Help  Check for Updates..., I get No Updates Found.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread Chris Ilias

On 12-09-02 11:06 AM, zfhgfhfj wrote:

I just wanted to remain the devs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

SeaMonkey is still FAT !!!


If you want to communicate a message to developers, you should post in 
the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. This is a user support 
newsgroup. If you're having a problem, the volunteers here can help you 
solve your problem or at least workaround it. It would help to know what 
you mean by fat. Could you be more specific? We'll also need some more 
info about your SeaMonkey setup. Go to 
Help--Troubleshooting_Information, then click [Copy all to Clipboard]. 
Open a reply to this post, and go to Edit--Paste to paste the info from 
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.12 released

2012-09-03 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 02/09/2012 19:01, zfhgfhfj told the world:
 WaltS wrote:
 On 09/02/2012 11:06 AM, zfhgfhfj wrote:
 I just wanted to remain the devs:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

 SeaMonkey is still FAT !!!

 remain?

 Yep, 3 tabs 200MB+, they have some flash ads on them but still...
 
 M$ Excel opening 2 simple spreadshits uses 39MB, opening 20+ tabs will 
 go 1GB+, there is something really wrong here that hasn't been addressed 
 up to this day...
 

You do know that this is an improper comparison, don't you? Seamonkey is
not a spreadsheet program and Excel is not a browser. The data they deal
with is significantly different too. Excel rarely loads images, to begin
with. simple spreadsheets (the ones you use in your comparison) rarely
contain scripts, while even simple webpages nowadays have four or five
scripts (for ads and such, at the very least). Entirely different
beasts. You aren't comparing apples and oranges; you are comparing Apple
Computers and _the color_ orange.

If you want to offer a valid comparison, show numbers for another
browser. Don't forget about the e-mail client -- if you use a browser
with no built-in mail client (that would exclude just about all major
players except Opera, I think), add a lightweight(*) e-mail program with
a similar setup to your Seamonkey setup.

(*) I say lightweight because of course including the mail client in
the browser gives some savings, and using some overweight beast like
Outlook would be a totally unfair comparison. A lean program like
Pegasus or re-Alpine would make for a fairer comparison.

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

2012-09-03 Thread Ed Mullen

zfhgfhfj wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...

See how many clicks  pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
Nope. Not there.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
Nope. Not there.
SeaMonkey isn't a Product.
Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
see how easy it is for you to find it.

When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.

My we are a select  special project group aren't we?

[1] http://www.findwaldo.com/
http://waldo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page


Yes, I complained about this to Mozilla and they said if SeaMonkey hit 1
million download they'd put it next to Firefox on their front page,
which is BS since people can't find it easily, I told them that and that
previously SeaMonkey was next to FireFox on Mozilla front page, but they
played the fool. I think is because Goocle Chrome passed FireFox
downloads in 1 month/week and they want to boost FF download number.


Philosophically, I think this boils down to two things.

1.  The desire of Mozilla to promote Firefox as a brand and downgrade 
SeaMonkey to a project rather than a product.  It's a brand identity 
thing.


2.  The SeaMonkey brand is little known in the community 
comparatively.  And Mozilla probably (I'm guessing now) would rather not 
detract from the Firefox brand by acknowledging SeaMonkey's existence at 
all.  It is the little engine that could.  But they give it scant 
support so how could they support it other than Web resources, 
developmental infrastructure, etc. and still achieve their desired 
branding goal of having Firefox be their premier product?  They can't.


Just my tow cents, adjusted for inflation.


Personally, I find this and affront.  Practically?  I understand.

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Re: Non-Flash games interferes with keys?

2012-09-03 Thread Ed Mullen

Rufus wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 9/1/2012 6:56 PM PT, Rufus typed:

  http://www.atari.com/arcade#!/arcade/combat/play


I assume this is HTML5 based and it seems like when I hit my keys, SM
thinks I am doing a quick find. Is there a way around this beside
disabling this feature?

Thank you in advance. :)


Use the up, down, right, and left arrow keys to move and the space bar
to shoot.


...that was sorta fun!


Yeah, sort of but it got very slow and choppy for me when too many
things were on screen. Did you have that problem? The games were mainly
designed for IE. :(


Yeah - the smoke from the shots and explosions never seemed to reset
or clear.  At one point I had so much of it on the screen at one point
that it crashed and just froze.  But I was able to kill five tanks to
that point...



I go to the page and all I ever get is a static screen that says: 
Downloading with no active progress indicator. I can leave it up there 
for hours and nothing happens.


Current releases for SeaMonkey and Firefox.

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Wrong/Incorrect default dictionary for Windows' Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) v2.12 spellchecker bug in web pages' forms?

2012-09-03 Thread Ant

Hi!

I currently have four English dictionaries installed (United Kingdom 
(UK), Canada, United States (US), and Australia). In SM's Appearances - 
Spelling, I have its language set to English/United States for its 
Langauge. When I run a manual spellcheck in web pages' forms, it keeps 
picking English/UK? I want US' dictionary to be the default.


E-mail and newsgroup composers appear to be correct. Is there a bug or 
something with spellchecker with multiple dictionaries in SeaMonkey 
v2.12's web browser for its forms? I can't remember if earlier versions 
had this problem too. I cannot reproduce this problem in my 
Debian/Linux's version. :(


Thank you in advance. :)
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