Proper Menubar Brings Back Google's Trusty Black Bar

[Philip Chee]

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/10/proper-menubar-brings-back-googles-trusty-black-bar/

Chrome/Firefox: Google recently dumped the black navigation bar again.
Many users feel that the new app launcher is a sub-par replacement.
Proper Menubar brings back the cold version with a vengeance.

Phil

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Re: open pgp

[NoOp]

On 10/21/2013 06:57 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote:
> hi, how do i use open PGP  to secure emails? is open PGP usable by the 
> blind or someone who has a sight  disability?
> 


  

mailing list:


To use enigmail you'll need to install GnuPG:

For your Windows:
  
mailing list:

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Re: Java

[regz91]

David E. Ross wrote:

requently visit two particular Web sites that use Java.  Is there
some way to allow the use of Java on those sites without having to
activate the plugin manually each time?  If there is no whitelist, how
do I always activate it?

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Java

[David E. Ross]

I frequently visit two particular Web sites that use Java.  Is there
some way to allow the use of Java on those sites without having to
activate the plugin manually each time?  If there is no whitelist, how
do I always activate it?

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Re: open pgp

[Trane Francks]

On 10/22/13 11:56 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/21/2013 6:57 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote:

hi, how do i use open PGP  to secure emails? is open PGP usable by the
blind or someone who has a sight  disability?



The Mozilla-based E-mail capabilities in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are
NOT compatible with the brand-name PGP application.  They might be
compatible with Gnu Privacy Guard (GPG), which is also an OpenPGP
application.

The problem is that the mail-news components alter outgoing messages
when the Send button is selected and alter incoming messages.  These
alterations prevent decryption.  They also invalidate OpenPGP digital
signatures.

See the following bug reports:

22687 at 
285715 at 
363302 at 
415083 at 

SeaMonkey is compatible with Enigmail/OpenPGP, as far as I know. I used 
Verisign digital IDs for many years. That was wonderfully seamless.


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Re: open pgp

[David E. Ross]

On 10/21/2013 6:57 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote:
> hi, how do i use open PGP  to secure emails? is open PGP usable by the 
> blind or someone who has a sight  disability?
> 

The Mozilla-based E-mail capabilities in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are
NOT compatible with the brand-name PGP application.  They might be
compatible with Gnu Privacy Guard (GPG), which is also an OpenPGP
application.

The problem is that the mail-news components alter outgoing messages
when the Send button is selected and alter incoming messages.  These
alterations prevent decryption.  They also invalidate OpenPGP digital
signatures.

See the following bug reports:

22687 at 
285715 at 
363302 at 
415083 at 

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Re: Printing E-Mail (or attachments) in SM 2.21

[WaltS]

On 10/21/2013 05:16 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote, On 21/10/2013 21:41:

cdr...@ix.netcom.com:

Whenever I am in an e-mail and click the print button to print it,
the print dialog box immediately appears and then disappears.  If I
reduce the size of the e-mail (to the tool bar), the print dialog box
appears and I can then click OK.  This has never happened before in
any previous version of SM.  Any suggestions?  CDR

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918425

Hartmut

The last comment i see in the bug report is:

Next stop will be SM 2.22, thus I'm canceling the comm-release request.


Would that say that the problem did not exhibit anymore if the SM is
greater or equal 2.22 ?

If yes - did you have a release date for SM 2.22 ?




If not delayed SM 2.22 should be released along with Firefox 25.0 on 
2013-10-29

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Re: Printing E-Mail (or attachments) in SM 2.21

[Hartmut Figge]

Ray_Net:
>Hartmut Figge wrote, On 21/10/2013 21:41:

>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918425

>Would that say that the problem did not exhibit anymore if the SM is greater 
>or equal 2.22 ?

Look at the right side of the top.

status-seamonkey2.21:   wontfix
status-seamonkey2.22:   fixed
status-seamonkey2.23:   fixed
status-seamonkey2.24:   fixed

>If yes - did you have a release date for SM 2.22 ?

I do not know and i do not care. I am using 2.24a1. ;)

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Re: re-installing SM Quick Question...

[Chris Ilias]

On 2013-10-21 11:20 AM, NO wrote:

I have had to just re-install my W8 and had my SM files on another
drive, I cannot figure out how to get my emails and settings back to the
previous state, if at all possible???

Please guide me, if possible or do I need to start from the beginning?
Especially with emails...


This article will show you: 
.


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Re: Printing E-Mail (or attachments) in SM 2.21

[Ray_Net]

Hartmut Figge wrote, On 21/10/2013 21:41:

cdr...@ix.netcom.com:

Whenever I am in an e-mail and click the print button to print it, the print 
dialog box immediately appears and then disappears.  If I reduce the size of 
the e-mail (to the tool bar), the print dialog box appears and I can then click 
OK.  This has never happened before in any previous version of SM.  Any 
suggestions?  CDR

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918425

Hartmut

The last comment i see in the bug report is:

Next stop will be SM 2.22, thus I'm canceling the comm-release request.


Would that say that the problem did not exhibit anymore if the SM is greater or 
equal 2.22 ?

If yes - did you have a release date for SM 2.22 ?

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Re: safe mode

[Dave]

Well, Daniel, I didn't find any "prefs.js" files, so, after backing 
up my important data to my external drive (I was overdue for it anyway)
I went to the location of the four profiles, created a file called 
"archive", transferred all the profiles but the one I wanted into that 
file, changed the name of the old file to that of the new and the new to 
that of the old.

Ran SM and everything appears to be fine!
Thanks, Daniel, for your help.  Now if I could just figure what prompted 
Sea Monkey to go "safe" on me to begin with.  Hopefully, I eliminated 
the problem when I ran Malwarebytes Anti-malware.

Thanks again.

Dave
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Re: Printing E-Mail (or attachments) in SM 2.21

[Hartmut Figge]

cdr...@ix.netcom.com:
>Whenever I am in an e-mail and click the print button to print it, the print 
>dialog box immediately appears and then disappears.  If I reduce the size of 
>the e-mail (to the tool bar), the print dialog box appears and I can then 
>click OK.  This has never happened before in any previous version of SM.  Any 
>suggestions?  CDR

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918425

Hartmut
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Printing E-Mail (or attachments) in SM 2.21

[cdrose]

Whenever I am in an e-mail and click the print button to print it, the print 
dialog box immediately appears and then disappears.  If I reduce the size of 
the e-mail (to the tool bar), the print dialog box appears and I can then click 
OK.  This has never happened before in any previous version of SM.  Any 
suggestions?  CDR
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Re: I really can't agree with that, Paul Gallagher; one hundred and four characters is a very small number in the great scheme of things, and I am sure that I can very easily come up with a Subject l

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Philip Taylor wrote:

[nothing]

Do the math: If a typical indent is five characters (I think it's less) 
and a typical subject is 30 characters (I think it's less), then 104 
characters will show you an entire subject plus 74 characters of indent, 
or 15 levels. If you use a more realistic indent of three characters, 
that gets you 25 levels.


For your example, indented four times, I see:

Re: I really can't agree with that, Paul Gallagher; one hundred and four 
characters is a very small  number in the great scheme of things, ...


I remember in my high school calculus class they began by explaining 
about limits, and no matter what number we chose, the teacher could 
choose another that was larger (or smaller, as he pleased). So no matter 
what layout we provide, you can always devise a subject that won't fit, 
but that's not the practical target we need to hit. Realistically, how 
many subject lines are so long and also contain useful information after 
the cutoff?


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Re: Cannot retrieve files for SM 2.21

[Geoff Welsh]

Ray_Net wrote:

Philip Taylor wrote, On 21/10/2013 11:32:


Ray_Net wrote:


Ray Davison wrote, On 21/10/2013 02:59:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

Thanks Ray ...but  :-)

WaltS gives me
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21
In fact i prefer http://ftp. over ftp://ftp
But, both solutions are equal :-)

FTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 1.0 above 1.0.1
and not below 1.0.9 as presented by HTTP, so you are more likely to
spot the version you seek if you use the FTP display.

Philip Taylor

I have carefully examined both solutions, and both did not have the
correct order.
Your exemple shows an error with http, but i see a similar error with
ftp like
2.2 before 2.21 and 2.3 after 2.21 :-)
So i say, like you, but the other way around:
HTTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 2.3 above 2.21
and not after 2.21.
I think that the best order is when the list is ordered by the release
date.



that would indeed make the most sense, especially to someone new to the 
whole thing.  The world could also stop using decimals incorrectly but 
that ship sailed.   :-)


GW
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Re: Does not support UIDL or XTND XLST

[NoOp]

On 10/21/2013 02:02 AM, Neil wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>>On 09/30/2013 01:21 AM, Neil wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>NoOp wrote:
>>>
The POP3 mail server (pop.att.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND 
XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum 
Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail, 
turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in the 
Account Settings window.

This typically happens if I've left the browser open for some time (over 24 
hours). Email does not get downloaded until reset. If I close and restart 
SeaMonkey the problem goes away.

>>>Might it be worth creating a POP3 protocol log?
>>>https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging
>>>
>>Happened again today. Log is located at:
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> That's weird. I split the log into its two halves and removed irrelevant 
> data (i.e. fetching of the actual messages, sequence numbers, etc.) The 
> one remaining difference was as follows:
> 1738831680[7f2b66742480]: POP auth: server caps 0x21CB2, pref 0x1C00, 
> failed 0x0, avail caps 0x1C00
> 1738831680[7f2b66742480]: POP auth: server caps 0x21C82, pref 0x1C00, 
> failed 0x0, avail caps 0x1C00
> 
> The server caps are flags that list all of the supported functions, as 
> follows:
> 0x2: Don't know whether server supports GURL
> 0x00010: Server supports UIDL
> 0x00020: Don't know whether server supports XTND XLST
> 0x00080: Don't know whether server supports TOP
> 0x00400: Server supports USER
> 0x00800: Server supports AUTH LOGIN
> 0x01000: Server supports AUTH PLAIN
> 0x2: Server supports RESP CODES
> 
> So in the failing case, the code failed to find UIDL or XTND XLST, which 
> is why it threw up the dialog, but in the successful case, the code 
> found UIDL and didn't bother with XTND XLST.
> 
> Interestingly the code doesn't use the CAPA response to detect UIDL, 
> instead it assumes UIDL is available until a UIDL command fails, in 
> which case it assumes that it's unavailable. (There is a flag for UIDL 
> unknown but it is treated the same way as if it is available.) By my 
> reading of the code this can happen in one of two ways: 1) Connection 
> failure 2) Response to UIDL not starting with a +. I don't see either of 
> those in the log, so I'm at a loss to explain what happened there. Sorry 
> about that.
> 

Thanks for taking the time to have a look Neil. I still have it in the
same state & will leave it like that for a few more hours. I have 3
other pop3 accounts that use the same pop servers & they aren't having
issues.

I've logged onto the account via the web interface and I can see two
unread messages; 1 is a valid msg from VMware & the other is an obvious
spam ("AT%T Security Center"). I moved both msg's to different folders
one at a time & after the move tried to fetch mail from SeaMonkey - same
results. Also backed up the mail folder s(o I can review later if
necessary) & tried 'repair', deleting all of the msf files, &
popstate.dat - no change. Not sure where else to look.


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re-installing SM Quick Question...

[NO]

Hello all,

I have had to just re-install my W8 and had my SM files on another 
drive, I cannot figure out how to get my emails and settings back to the 
previous state, if at all possible???


Please guide me, if possible or do I need to start from the beginning? 
Especially with emails...


TIA - SamuelS

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Re: Cannot retrieve files for SM 2.21

[WaltS]

On 10/21/2013 10:28 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Philip Taylor wrote, On 21/10/2013 11:32:


Ray_Net wrote:


Ray Davison wrote, On 21/10/2013 02:59:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

Thanks Ray ...but  :-)

WaltS gives me
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21
In fact i prefer http://ftp.over ftp://ftp
But, both solutions are equal :-)

FTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 1.0 above 1.0.1
and not below 1.0.9 as presented by HTTP, so you are more likely to
spot the version you seek if you use the FTP display.

Philip Taylor

I have carefully examined both solutions, and both did not have the
correct order.
Your exemple shows an error  with http, but i see a similar error with
ftp like
2.2 before 2.21 and 2.3 after 2.21 :-)
So i say, like you, but the other way around:
HTTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 2.3 above 2.21
and not after 2.21.
I think that the best order is when the list is ordered by the release
date.




The ftp/ftp page seems to be in numerical order.

On the http/ftp page pressing the "END" key will always take you closest 
to the most recent versions. I see SM 2.22b1 as the last entry.

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Re: Cannot retrieve files for SM 2.21

[Ray_Net]

Philip Taylor wrote, On 21/10/2013 11:32:


Ray_Net wrote:


Ray Davison wrote, On 21/10/2013 02:59:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

Thanks Ray ...but  :-)

WaltS gives me
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21
In fact i prefer http://ftp.over ftp://ftp
But, both solutions are equal :-)

FTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 1.0 above 1.0.1
and not below 1.0.9 as presented by HTTP, so you are more likely to
spot the version you seek if you use the FTP display.

Philip Taylor
I have carefully examined both solutions, and both did not have the 
correct order.
Your exemple shows an error  with http, but i see a similar error with 
ftp like

2.2 before 2.21 and 2.3 after 2.21 :-)
So i say, like you, but the other way around:
HTTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 2.3 above 2.21 
and not after 2.21.

I think that the best order is when the list is ordered by the release date.

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open pgp

[Bryan v. Roache]

hi, how do i use open PGP  to secure emails? is open PGP usable by the 
blind or someone who has a sight  disability?

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Daniel]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Bob Henson wrote:

If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!

That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
indented twenty posts!!


Two notes on this:

1) On my 16:9 monitor, with less than two inches allocated for the
Accounts pane on the left, I have enough room for about 150 characters
of Subject, From, Date, Status, etc. In 99% of the cases, that's enough.


Yes, but what about the other 1%??


2) You might tweak the column widths by dragging the dividers (mouse
over the area just left of a column until the mouse becomes a
double-headed arrow, then click and drag). With a large enough column
width (and you may wish to eliminate some useless columns by clicking
the icon at the far right of the column headings), you'll be able to see
the full subject lines without writing your own custom email program.

I just tested by sending a message to mozilla.test with the following
subject line:

0123456789112345678921234567893123456789412345678951234567896123456789712345678981234567899123456789012345678911234567892123456789312345678941234567895123456789


Of that, I was able to see 104 characters in bold (when it was marked as
unread) and 122 in roman (after I marked it as read). For practical
purposes, that'll do.


As you may have noticed, I've replied to your Test post (thinking it was 
testing for another old problem.).


I have eliminated columns I'm not interested in, and changed the widths 
of the remaining columns to more suitable widths, e.g. the title of the 
"Unread" column actually shows as "Un...".


Yes, 104/122 characters is a large number of characters, but still, on 
occasion, the Subject still streams off the right of screen, whilst 
there is unused space at the bottom of the Accounts pane of the screen!!


Example, Phillip Taylor has replied to your post, here, before me, and 
he has changed the Subject and, after my having read Philip's response, 
it's Subject shows on my screen as ...


Quote
I really can't agree with that, Paul Gallagher; one hundred and fou...
End Quote

But then, even in the Subject of the Message Pane, it runs out at 

Quote
I really can't agree with that, Paul Gallagher; one hundred and four 
characters is a very small  number in the great scheme o

End Quote

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130418192405


or

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Build identifier: 20130827183508

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[WaltS]

Daniel wrote:

WaltS wrote:

On 10/21/2013 05:53 AM, Daniel wrote:

Bob Henson wrote:



On 09/10/2013 12:19 PM, Daniel wrote:

I've cross-posted this to both TB and SM newsgroups as it can apply to
both, and then set follow-up to SM as I don't read TB.

I've got my Mail/News screen set up with the Accounts down the left
hand
side, the threads displaying in the top right and the message in the
bottom right. This often results in a lot of wasted, white, screen
space
in the Message display area.

I think, in the preferences/options, somewhere (I cannot find it just
ATT!), this can be changed to, I think, three slices right across the
screen.

In these days where screens often are wider than in by-gone days, I
would like to know if it is, easily, possible to set the screen up so
that the Threads screen is right across the top of the screen, the
Accounts down what's left on the left of the screen and the Message
screen in the bottom right of the screen??

Effectively, leave the Message Pane as is, reduce the height of the
Accounts Pane and increase the width of the Threads Pane.




If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders
squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!

That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
indented twenty posts!!



View > Unread works for that.


but then, Walt, as I understand this setting, messages with-in a thread
*do not* necessarily appear one after another, but are inter-mixed with
messages from other threads. *Or am I wrong??* (Just checking, I suppose
if I had "Sort by subject" . Nupp, not how I work!! ;-)




Everyone works differently.

My headings in the Thread Pane are "Thread", "Subject", "Status", 
"From", "Date", and "Order Received". Sort order is by "Order Received", 
"Ascending", "Threaded".


I don't see any inter-mixed messages.

You could reduce the number of headings in the Thread Pane to make the 
"Subject" heading longer. You may already have done that. You could make 
it the only heading.


I feel your pain on the indentation of the subject. Sometimes I switch 
to View: All, and just shake my head. Some of those topics in m.general 
just go on forever. :)

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Daniel]

WaltS wrote:

On 10/21/2013 05:53 AM, Daniel wrote:

Bob Henson wrote:



On 09/10/2013 12:19 PM, Daniel wrote:

I've cross-posted this to both TB and SM newsgroups as it can apply to
both, and then set follow-up to SM as I don't read TB.

I've got my Mail/News screen set up with the Accounts down the left
hand
side, the threads displaying in the top right and the message in the
bottom right. This often results in a lot of wasted, white, screen
space
in the Message display area.

I think, in the preferences/options, somewhere (I cannot find it just
ATT!), this can be changed to, I think, three slices right across the
screen.

In these days where screens often are wider than in by-gone days, I
would like to know if it is, easily, possible to set the screen up so
that the Threads screen is right across the top of the screen, the
Accounts down what's left on the left of the screen and the Message
screen in the bottom right of the screen??

Effectively, leave the Message Pane as is, reduce the height of the
Accounts Pane and increase the width of the Threads Pane.




If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!

That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
indented twenty posts!!



View > Unread works for that.


but then, Walt, as I understand this setting, messages with-in a thread 
*do not* necessarily appear one after another, but are inter-mixed with 
messages from other threads. *Or am I wrong??* (Just checking, I suppose 
if I had "Sort by subject" . Nupp, not how I work!! ;-)


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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Daniel]

Philip Taylor wrote:



WaltS wrote:


View > Unread works for that.


Assming that that is really View / Messages /Unread,
then it does not have that effect for me.  The messages
are still threaded, and each level of nesting involves
a further level of indention, such that deeply nested
replies have their "Subject: " field truncated.

Philip Taylor


and if I had my screen set up as Bob (and others) had suggested, I'd 
only see white screen for highly indented threads. Not very helpful!


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I really can't agree with that, Paul Gallagher; one hundred and four characters is a very small number in the great scheme of things, and I am sure that I can very easily come up with a Subject line

[Philip Taylor]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>> If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
>>> View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
>>> the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
>>> more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
>>> body to the right of that.
>>
>> Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
>> Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!
>>
>> That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
>> indented twenty posts!!
> 
> Two notes on this:
> 
> 1) On my 16:9 monitor, with less than two inches allocated for the
> Accounts pane on the left, I have enough room for about 150 characters
> of Subject, From, Date, Status, etc. In 99% of the cases, that's enough.
> 
> 2) You might tweak the column widths by dragging the dividers (mouse
> over the area just left of a column until the mouse becomes a
> double-headed arrow, then click and drag). With a large enough column
> width (and you may wish to eliminate some useless columns by clicking
> the icon at the far right of the column headings), you'll be able to see
> the full subject lines without writing your own custom email program.
> 
> I just tested by sending a message to mozilla.test with the following
> subject line:
> 
> 0123456789112345678921234567893123456789412345678951234567896123456789712345678981234567899123456789012345678911234567892123456789312345678941234567895123456789
> 
> 
> Of that, I was able to see 104 characters in bold (when it was marked as
> unread) and 122 in roman (after I marked it as read). For practical
> purposes, that'll do.
> 

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:


Bob Henson wrote:

If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!

That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
indented twenty posts!!


Two notes on this:

1) On my 16:9 monitor, with less than two inches allocated for the 
Accounts pane on the left, I have enough room for about 150 characters 
of Subject, From, Date, Status, etc. In 99% of the cases, that's enough.


2) You might tweak the column widths by dragging the dividers (mouse 
over the area just left of a column until the mouse becomes a 
double-headed arrow, then click and drag). With a large enough column 
width (and you may wish to eliminate some useless columns by clicking 
the icon at the far right of the column headings), you'll be able to see 
the full subject lines without writing your own custom email program.


I just tested by sending a message to mozilla.test with the following 
subject line:


0123456789112345678921234567893123456789412345678951234567896123456789712345678981234567899123456789012345678911234567892123456789312345678941234567895123456789

Of that, I was able to see 104 characters in bold (when it was marked as 
unread) and 122 in roman (after I marked it as read). For practical 
purposes, that'll do.


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Re: send later?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jonathan Kamens wrote:


"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:


Note: This is not an add-on, it's an integral part of the SM program.
You can't remove it or update it separately, and there's no separate
version info.


Indeed. But the OP asked about the add-on, so I'm not really
sure how your answer is particularly relevant.


It's relevant if I don't know that you've created an add-on with exactly 
the same name as a built-in feature of the SM program. If the OP had 
asked about "the Print add-on" I probably would have responded analogously.


Sorry for what I hope is a foreseeable and forgivable error.

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Philip Taylor]

WaltS wrote:

> View > Unread works for that.

Assming that that is really View / Messages /Unread,
then it does not have that effect for me.  The messages
are still threaded, and each level of nesting involves
a further level of indention, such that deeply nested
replies have their "Subject: " field truncated.

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[WaltS]

On 10/21/2013 05:53 AM, Daniel wrote:

Bob Henson wrote:



On 09/10/2013 12:19 PM, Daniel wrote:

I've cross-posted this to both TB and SM newsgroups as it can apply to
both, and then set follow-up to SM as I don't read TB.

I've got my Mail/News screen set up with the Accounts down the left hand
side, the threads displaying in the top right and the message in the
bottom right. This often results in a lot of wasted, white, screen space
in the Message display area.

I think, in the preferences/options, somewhere (I cannot find it just
ATT!), this can be changed to, I think, three slices right across the
screen.

In these days where screens often are wider than in by-gone days, I
would like to know if it is, easily, possible to set the screen up so
that the Threads screen is right across the top of the screen, the
Accounts down what's left on the left of the screen and the Message
screen in the bottom right of the screen??

Effectively, leave the Message Pane as is, reduce the height of the
Accounts Pane and increase the width of the Threads Pane.




If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!

That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is
indented twenty posts!!



View > Unread works for that.
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Re: send later?

[Jonathan Kamens]

"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:
>Bryan v. Roache wrote:
>
>> hi, how does the send later adon work? can it send an email even if
>> SeaMonkey is closed? how about if the computer is asleep?

Read the section in the user guide entitled "Thunderbird must
be running for scheduled messages to be sent:

http://blog.kamens.us/send-later/#running

It talks about why this limitation exists and how to work
around it.

(Yes, this section applies to SeaMonkey as well.)

>Note: This is not an add-on, it's an integral part of the SM program. 
>You can't remove it or update it separately, and there's no separate 
>version info.

Indeed. But the OP asked about the add-on, so I'm not really
sure how your answer is particularly relevant.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/send-later-3/

I do my best to follow this newsgroup and respond to
questions here about the add-on, but most of the traffic here
isn't related to this add-on, obviously, so you're better off
sending me email (my address is posted in the user guide as
well as on the AMO page for the add-on) or writing to the
send-later-users mailing list:

http://groups.google.com/group/send-later-users

Regards,

Jonathan Kamens
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Re: safe mode

[Daniel]

Dave wrote:


1. In SeaMonkey, have a look at Tools->Switch Profiles. Are there more
profiles there than you would expect?? If so, select each profile in
turn to see if they contain your missing stuff. If not, then,

2. Have a look at "Local directory" setting of the "Server Settings" for
your e-mail account, note this location. Completely close SeaMonkey and
use the Windows "Find Folders and File" function to search for "Inbox"
(without the inverted commas). If any are found, are they at the
location shown in the "Local directory" or elsewhere??

Report back with results!

Hey, Daniel!  I only showed one profile.  However, following your second
suggestion I was delighted to come up with 89 items on a search.  I
managed to find the one relating to what I think is the file in question
and under profile I found a file "2qatbdob.default.
 Within that file were four for my pop files. They were numbered 1
through 4.  #4 was dated this past Wednesday when this mess started. I
checked its properties and it showed a little over 3MB in size.
Checking #2, dated last year had a size over 200MB.
 So!  If I go the #2 and check properties it says I can restore a
previous version.  But #2 isn't currently running.  How do I transfer
the data or tell my pc to use the earlier profile that didn't show up on
Tools->Switch Profiles check?
 On the bright side I raked up 61 bags of leaves today.

Dave


Dave, well done, now, hopefully we can reclaim your lost data.

Dave before doing further, I should advise *Back-up, Back-up, Back-up*. 
Copy the contents of any profiles found to so safe location, you know, 
*just in case!!*


Now, just as last time you did a Windows Search looking for "inbox" 
(without the quotes), this time do a search for "prefs.js" (without the 
quotes). The prefs.js is the file that tells SM how it is set up, where 
other files are located, etc. You should find at least two prefs.js 
files, the one for your #4 (i.e. new) profile and the one for your old 
profile, hopefully.


Note the location of your old profile, maybe something like 
C:\Programfiles\MoreStuff\efvhhbfr.default\prefs.js. Remember the 
C:\Programfiles\MoreStuff\efvhhbfr.default\ bit, whatever it might 
really be.


Now, in SeaMonkey, go to Tools->Switch Profiles->Manage Profiles and 
select to create a new profile, and, on the screen where you get to name 
the new profile (call it ReclaimedOld, or whatever), on that same screen 
selecting "Choose Location" or whatever, then you can tell SM where to 
store this new profile in the location found above 
(C:\Programfiles\MoreStuff\efvhhbfr.default\ or whatever it was!!). When 
you do this, SM should tell you that there is already a profile there 
and ask if you want to use it.


When you do this, you should be able to use the old profile or the new 
profile, which ever you wish. If you want to combine the two profiles, 
ask here!


Hope this gets you back up and running.

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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Daniel]

Bob Henson wrote:



On 09/10/2013 12:19 PM, Daniel wrote:

I've cross-posted this to both TB and SM newsgroups as it can apply to
both, and then set follow-up to SM as I don't read TB.

I've got my Mail/News screen set up with the Accounts down the left hand
side, the threads displaying in the top right and the message in the
bottom right. This often results in a lot of wasted, white, screen space
in the Message display area.

I think, in the preferences/options, somewhere (I cannot find it just
ATT!), this can be changed to, I think, three slices right across the
screen.

In these days where screens often are wider than in by-gone days, I
would like to know if it is, easily, possible to set the screen up so
that the Threads screen is right across the top of the screen, the
Accounts down what's left on the left of the screen and the Message
screen in the bottom right of the screen??

Effectively, leave the Message Pane as is, reduce the height of the
Accounts Pane and increase the width of the Threads Pane.




If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.


Because I want a very wide (width of screen) Thread pane and not so tall 
Accounts pane, as I explained in my original post!


That way, I'll be able to see the full name of a message, even if it is 
indented twenty posts!!


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Re: Cannot retrieve files for SM 2.21

[Philip Taylor]

Ray_Net wrote:

> Ray Davison wrote, On 21/10/2013 02:59:

>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

> Thanks Ray ...but  :-)
> 
> WaltS gives me
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21
> In fact i prefer http://ftp.over ftp://ftp
> But, both solutions are equal :-)

FTP presents the versions in more logical order, with 1.0 above 1.0.1
and not below 1.0.9 as presented by HTTP, so you are more likely to
spot the version you seek if you use the FTP display.

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Re: Cannot retrieve files for SM 2.21

[Ray_Net]

Ray Davison wrote, On 21/10/2013 02:59:

Ray_Net wrote:


Your solution give the opportunity to install ... but i prefer download
first - collecting what i need in a directory on my disk - used to
install the new version.


Does this help?
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

Ray



Thanks Ray ...but  :-)

WaltS gives me 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21

In fact i prefer http://ftp.over ftp://ftp
But, both solutions are equal :-)
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Re: Does not support UIDL or XTND XLST

[Neil]

NoOp wrote:


On 09/30/2013 01:21 AM, Neil wrote:
 


NoOp wrote:


The POP3 mail server (pop.att.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND XLST, 
which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum Message 
Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail, turn off these 
options in the Server Settings for your mail server in the Account Settings 
window.

This typically happens if I've left the browser open for some time (over 24 
hours). Email does not get downloaded until reset. If I close and restart 
SeaMonkey the problem goes away.


Might it be worth creating a POP3 protocol log?
https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging


Happened again today. Log is located at:


 

That's weird. I split the log into its two halves and removed irrelevant 
data (i.e. fetching of the actual messages, sequence numbers, etc.) The 
one remaining difference was as follows:
1738831680[7f2b66742480]: POP auth: server caps 0x21CB2, pref 0x1C00, 
failed 0x0, avail caps 0x1C00
1738831680[7f2b66742480]: POP auth: server caps 0x21C82, pref 0x1C00, 
failed 0x0, avail caps 0x1C00


The server caps are flags that list all of the supported functions, as 
follows:

0x2: Don't know whether server supports GURL
0x00010: Server supports UIDL
0x00020: Don't know whether server supports XTND XLST
0x00080: Don't know whether server supports TOP
0x00400: Server supports USER
0x00800: Server supports AUTH LOGIN
0x01000: Server supports AUTH PLAIN
0x2: Server supports RESP CODES

So in the failing case, the code failed to find UIDL or XTND XLST, which 
is why it threw up the dialog, but in the successful case, the code 
found UIDL and didn't bother with XTND XLST.


Interestingly the code doesn't use the CAPA response to detect UIDL, 
instead it assumes UIDL is available until a UIDL command fails, in 
which case it assumes that it's unavailable. (There is a flag for UIDL 
unknown but it is treated the same way as if it is available.) By my 
reading of the code this can happen in one of two ways: 1) Connection 
failure 2) Response to UIDL not starting with a +. I don't see either of 
those in the log, so I'm at a loss to explain what happened there. Sorry 
about that.


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Re: Alternate layout for Mail/News screen

[Bob Henson]

On 09/10/2013 12:19 PM, Daniel wrote:
> I've cross-posted this to both TB and SM newsgroups as it can apply to 
> both, and then set follow-up to SM as I don't read TB.
> 
> I've got my Mail/News screen set up with the Accounts down the left hand 
> side, the threads displaying in the top right and the message in the 
> bottom right. This often results in a lot of wasted, white, screen space 
> in the Message display area.
> 
> I think, in the preferences/options, somewhere (I cannot find it just 
> ATT!), this can be changed to, I think, three slices right across the 
> screen.
> 
> In these days where screens often are wider than in by-gone days, I 
> would like to know if it is, easily, possible to set the screen up so 
> that the Threads screen is right across the top of the screen, the 
> Accounts down what's left on the left of the screen and the Message 
> screen in the bottom right of the screen??
> 
> Effectively, leave the Message Pane as is, reduce the height of the 
> Accounts Pane and increase the width of the Threads Pane.
> 


If you have a wide screen - why not set Options > Layout to Vertical
View. On my 16:9 screen, I find that layout with the Folders squashed to
the left (font size reduced in userChrome.css - so it squashes even
more) leaves acres of room for the Message tree next and the message
body to the right of that.

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Re: Order of email accounts

[Connie]

On 21/10/2013 03:25, Danny Kile wrote:

The following extension will get it done for you.

http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#folderpanetools


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