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the life of the jews since 1913

2014-12-13 Thread GerardJan


http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/unbelievable-video-footage-from-israel-in-1913/

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Re: Flashblock 1.5 can be made to work in SeaMonkey 2.31!

2014-12-13 Thread Ed Mullen


Daniel wrote on 12/12/2014 8:27 PM:

On 13/12/14 03:26, Ed Mullen wrote:

Daniel wrote on 12/12/2014 7:14 AM:

On 12/12/14 02:51, David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/11/2014 12:30 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 11/12/14 14:12, David E. Ross wrote:


Snip


Flashblock 1.5.18 is for Firefox.  The latest version for
SeaMonkey is
1.3.21, which should be good even for SeaMonkey versions starting
with
3.nnn.


What SeaMonkey versions start with 3.nnn.?? Or do you mean SM 2.3nn,
David??



No, I really meant 3.nnn.  The install.rdf file for Flashblock 1.3.21
anticipates a future SeaMonkey version number beginning with 3.  Note
the em:maxVersion in the following fragment from that install.rdf
file:
!-- Seamonkey TNG --
 em:targetApplication
 Description
 em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:id
 em:minVersion2.1/em:minVersion
 em:maxVersion3.*/em:maxVersion
 /Description
 /em:targetApplication


Ahh!! So it should work for every edition up to and *excluding* ver
3.n!! That seems reasonable.



Err, I think that means up to and INCLUDING ver. 3.x.


So does that mean it's good up to Ver 3.99??


Yes.


I thought the maxVersion
was the Version at which it would stop working!!



It stops working when the version exceeds what is specified.  In this 
example, the extension would not be compatible with SM version 4.x.



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Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in? - SOLVED

2014-12-13 Thread Miles Fidelman


Thanks Paul!

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Miles Fidelman wrote:


Hi Folks,

So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if
it's older than a certain version.  But.. the update button takes one to
a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions:


You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time.


1. How does one update it?, or


If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume 
you're referring to 
http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html 
or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. 
Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through 
all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player 
Download Center near the bottom.



2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is
no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for
extensions).

(Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh)


On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- 
it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though 
it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315




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Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?

2014-12-13 Thread Ed Mullen


Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM:

Miles Fidelman wrote:


Hi Folks,

So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if
it's older than a certain version.  But.. the update button takes one to
a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions:


You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time.


1. How does one update it?, or


If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume
you're referring to
http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html
or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center.
Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all
the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player
Download Center near the bottom.


2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is
no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for
extensions).

(Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh)


On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's
not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does
generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here:
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315



Why not go directly there?

https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html

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Re: Seamonkey 2.31 chase web site

2014-12-13 Thread NoOp

On 12/12/2014 03:12 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:
 Marisa Ciceran wrote:
 Same problem here as of the start of this weekend. I've been on the
 phone several times with Chase support about this and this time the
 agent I spoke to said he sent a note to their compatibility developers.

 I am on 64-bit Windows 7 Pro on on ASUSI7 4790k processor.

 Marisa

 NoOp wrote:
 On 12/08/2014 10:21 AM, Lemuel Johnson wrote:
 On 12/8/2014 10:52 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 12/08/2014 05:23 AM, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
 Ken Rudolph wrote:
 Ron wrote:
 Just got the 2.31 upgrade  now I can't log in to my account on
 chase.com I hit logon  it just reloads the log on page. Works in
 IE and
 Seamonkey 2.30
 Same thing happening here.  This is frustrating.  Can I go back to
 Seamonkey 2.30?  Or maybe spoof the browser to firefox (which used to
 work when bank sites didn't accept SeaMonkey)?
 Same problem here: worked great with IE  2.30, not at all with 2.31.
 sigh Is there a Bugzilla entry for this yet?  -JW

 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109471
 ( Unable to login at chase.com due to NS_ERROR_FAILURE (SeaMonkey
 only))
 and for reference, here is a previous one that was fixed last year:
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924025
 (Unable to log in at chase.com)

 I believe that's actually
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094714

 Lem Johnson

 You are correct - thanks for the catch!

 Gary

 
 Well, that is enough reason to hold back from upgrading for me!  I have 
 a Chase account, so until this is fixed or there is a work-around this 
 one is a show-stopper.
 
 Dave
 

There is a workaround:
 Use Firefox to login to your Chase account.
WFM

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Re: Seamonkey 2.31 chase web site

2014-12-13 Thread David H. Durgee


NoOp wrote:

On 12/12/2014 03:12 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

Same problem here as of the start of this weekend. I've been on the
phone several times with Chase support about this and this time the
agent I spoke to said he sent a note to their compatibility developers.

I am on 64-bit Windows 7 Pro on on ASUSI7 4790k processor.

Marisa

NoOp wrote:

On 12/08/2014 10:21 AM, Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 12/8/2014 10:52 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 12/08/2014 05:23 AM, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ron wrote:

Just got the 2.31 upgrade  now I can't log in to my account on
chase.com I hit logon  it just reloads the log on page. Works in
IE and
Seamonkey 2.30

Same thing happening here.  This is frustrating.  Can I go back to
Seamonkey 2.30?  Or maybe spoof the browser to firefox (which used to
work when bank sites didn't accept SeaMonkey)?

Same problem here: worked great with IE  2.30, not at all with 2.31.
sigh Is there a Bugzilla entry for this yet?  -JW


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109471
( Unable to login at chase.com due to NS_ERROR_FAILURE (SeaMonkey
only))
and for reference, here is a previous one that was fixed last year:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924025
(Unable to log in at chase.com)


I believe that's actually
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094714

Lem Johnson


You are correct - thanks for the catch!

Gary



Well, that is enough reason to hold back from upgrading for me!  I have
a Chase account, so until this is fixed or there is a work-around this
one is a show-stopper.

Dave



There is a workaround:
  Use Firefox to login to your Chase account.
WFM



I hate that new FireFox interface, so this is not a reasonable 
alternative to having SeaMonkey work with Chase.


Dave
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Re: Seamonkey 2.31 chase web site

2014-12-13 Thread NoOp

On 12/13/2014 09:37 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 On 12/12/2014 03:12 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:
 Marisa Ciceran wrote:
 Same problem here as of the start of this weekend. I've been on the
 phone several times with Chase support about this and this time the
 agent I spoke to said he sent a note to their compatibility developers.

 I am on 64-bit Windows 7 Pro on on ASUSI7 4790k processor.

 Marisa

 NoOp wrote:
 On 12/08/2014 10:21 AM, Lemuel Johnson wrote:
 On 12/8/2014 10:52 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 12/08/2014 05:23 AM, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
 Ken Rudolph wrote:
 Ron wrote:
 Just got the 2.31 upgrade  now I can't log in to my account on
 chase.com I hit logon  it just reloads the log on page. Works in
 IE and
 Seamonkey 2.30
 Same thing happening here.  This is frustrating.  Can I go back to
 Seamonkey 2.30?  Or maybe spoof the browser to firefox (which used to
 work when bank sites didn't accept SeaMonkey)?
 Same problem here: worked great with IE  2.30, not at all with 2.31.
 sigh Is there a Bugzilla entry for this yet?  -JW

 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109471
 ( Unable to login at chase.com due to NS_ERROR_FAILURE (SeaMonkey
 only))
 and for reference, here is a previous one that was fixed last year:
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924025
 (Unable to log in at chase.com)

 I believe that's actually
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094714

 Lem Johnson

 You are correct - thanks for the catch!

 Gary


 Well, that is enough reason to hold back from upgrading for me!  I have
 a Chase account, so until this is fixed or there is a work-around this
 one is a show-stopper.

 Dave


 There is a workaround:
   Use Firefox to login to your Chase account.
 WFM

 
 I hate that new FireFox interface, so this is not a reasonable 
 alternative to having SeaMonkey work with Chase.
 
 Dave
 

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
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Silverlight not working with SM 2.31

2014-12-13 Thread EE

I updated the Silverlight plugin, since I got a warning that it was 
outdated.  SeaMonkey will not use it.  If I clear the placeholder from 
plugins click-to-play, there is nothing under it.  Firefox and Safari 
both work with Silverlight with no problem.  Is there any way to fix 
Silverlight for SeaMonkey?

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Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?

2014-12-13 Thread EE


Miles Fidelman wrote:

Hi Folks,

So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if
it's older than a certain version.  But.. the update button takes one to
a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions:

1. How does one update it?, or
2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is
no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for
extensions).

(Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh)

Help!

Thanks,

Miles Fidelman

You can install a new version of Flash and it will simply replace the 
old plugin in Mac OS.  I get my Flash plugin from here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html

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Re: Third-party cookie question

2014-12-13 Thread EE


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies),
and then visited nhl.com.

Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my
cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie.

Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy  Security |
Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no
third-party cookies).

So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site?

It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their
own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\

More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block
third-party cookies?


* -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and
must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly
changing; today's version was at
http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1.
And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't
my question.

Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block 
Google cookies, just to make sure.  That works.  I have no Google cookies.


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Re: Flashblock 1.5 can be made to work in SeaMonkey 2.31!

2014-12-13 Thread EE


Daniel wrote:

On 13/12/14 03:26, Ed Mullen wrote:

Daniel wrote on 12/12/2014 7:14 AM:

On 12/12/14 02:51, David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/11/2014 12:30 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 11/12/14 14:12, David E. Ross wrote:


Snip


Flashblock 1.5.18 is for Firefox.  The latest version for
SeaMonkey is
1.3.21, which should be good even for SeaMonkey versions starting
with
3.nnn.


What SeaMonkey versions start with 3.nnn.?? Or do you mean SM 2.3nn,
David??



No, I really meant 3.nnn.  The install.rdf file for Flashblock 1.3.21
anticipates a future SeaMonkey version number beginning with 3.  Note
the em:maxVersion in the following fragment from that install.rdf
file:
!-- Seamonkey TNG --
 em:targetApplication
 Description
 em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:id
 em:minVersion2.1/em:minVersion
 em:maxVersion3.*/em:maxVersion
 /Description
 /em:targetApplication


Ahh!! So it should work for every edition up to and *excluding* ver
3.n!! That seems reasonable.



Err, I think that means up to and INCLUDING ver. 3.x.


So does that mean it's good up to Ver 3.99?? I thought the maxVersion
was the Version at which it would stop working!!


The max version is the version beyond which it stops working.

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Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?

2014-12-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM:

Miles Fidelman wrote:


Hi Folks,

So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if
it's older than a certain version.  But.. the update button takes one to
a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions:


You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time.


1. How does one update it?, or


If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume
you're referring to
http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html
or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center.
Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all
the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player
Download Center near the bottom.


2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is
no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for
extensions).

(Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh)


On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's
not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does
generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here:
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315



Why not go directly there?

https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html


Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should 
the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to 
ask for it?


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Re: Third-party cookie question

2014-12-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

EE wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies),
and then visited nhl.com.

Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my
cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie.

Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security |
Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no
third-party cookies).

So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site?

It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their
own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\

More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block
third-party cookies?

* -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and
must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly
changing; today's version was at
http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1.

And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't
my question.

Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block
Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies.

That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and
sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear
the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those,
and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has.

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Re: Western vs Unicode - why doesn't SM pick the right one?

2014-12-13 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne


flyguy wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, On 12/12/2014 2:40 PM:

flyguy wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, On 12/11/2014 1:42 PM:

flyguy wrote:

Most of my email displays properly with Western character encoding,
but
about 10-20% requires selecting Unicode from the ViewCharacter
Encoding
list. I've tried to make SM select it automatically, but it still
doesn't. Is there anyway to make it pick the proper character
encoding?


It should pick up the encoding from the Content-Type header of the
email.

Having said that, at one time I used to find the message pane in the
main window didn't switch encodings when moving between emails, but
pressing F8 a couple of times to hide and then show it again sorted it
out. Haven't noticed that problem for a long time now. Even then, fully
opening emails in a separate window did use the correct encoding.

Alternatively, it could be that the problematic emails have the wrong
encoding, or perhaps no encoding, specified in the header. e.g. the
sending application has specified iso-8859-1 in the header but actually
encoded the content in utf-8. If that's the case, at least you've
got an
option to manually override the encoding so that it can be displayed
correctly ;o)


The email has these lines in it:


I hope you mean when looking at the message source; you shouldn't see
these lines when reading normally (I do occasionally see some of the
source in the message pane, but pressing F8 a couple of times to hide
and show the message pane fixes that - which you mention below doesn't
help in your case so I don't think that's it).


Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=_--=_MCPart_1762143897

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed

... and two or three with Content-Type in parenthesis.


The content following Content-Type: text/plain... will be the plain
text version. If there's a text/html alternative SeaMonkey will probably
display that instead, unless you've set View  Message Body As  Plain
Text. I'm not sure what you mean about Content-Type being in
parentheses, but that may be the problem.

It would be interesting to see the complete structure of one of those
emails. If you're not sure what to look for and there's nothing in one
of them you don't mind sharing, it's probably easiest to View  Message
Source, copy the source into a plain text document, and upload it
somewhere (or send as an attachment, but copy my address -
mozilla-lists.mbourne at spamgourmet.com - if you do that as I think the
mailing list strips attachments).



I just forwarded the email to your spamgourment address.


Thanks, but I'd need the original source. Forwarding causes SeaMonkey to 
reformat it, with any additional message you add, so loses any original 
signs of a problem. The following should work (easier than my previous 
instruction to view and copy the source):

- Open the email.
- Make sure it is one of the ones which displays incorrectly.
- File  Save As  File
- For Save as type, select Mail Files (*.eml)
- Save
- Attach that file to an email to me


Oddly, tonight SM is displaying the email properly. The View  Character
encoding shows as Unicode after I click on the email, even if I set it
to Western beforehand. I'm fairly sure I didn't change anything.


I'm not sure, but it's possible that SeaMonkey remembers any manual 
selections for each email and uses them next time it's opened.


Thanks,
Mark.

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Re: Third-party cookie question

2014-12-13 Thread HilsB