Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Lee wrote:


On 7/10/17, Paul B. Gallagher 
wrote:

Lee wrote:


I was really hoping to skip the discussion of exactly what
"little benefit" means & go straight to how to decide _for
yourself_ if disabling cache is a Good Idea or no.


Fine. Try it, and if you like it better, stick with it. If not,
revert. That's how I'd decide.


Really?!  You wouldn't even try to look at any performance data?

Whatever works for you, but I've seen too many instances where
people see what they want/expect to see instead of what's really
there, so I like looking at the numbers instead of going by feel.


I would happily look at performance data for comparable systems under 
comparable conditions. Got any of that? My point was that systems are so 
varied and conditions are so varied that it's impossible to make a fair 
comparison. All we have is empirical results for our own systems. And 
ultimately that's the bottom line -- is this user happier or not?


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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Lee 
On 7/10/17, Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>
>> I was really hoping to skip the discussion of exactly what "little
>> benefit" means & go straight to how to decide _for yourself_ if
>> disabling cache is a Good Idea or no.
>
> Fine. Try it, and if you like it better, stick with it. If not, revert.
> That's how I'd decide.

Really?!  You wouldn't even try to look at any performance data?

Whatever works for you, but I've seen too many instances where people
see what they want/expect to see instead of what's really there, so I
like looking at the numbers instead of going by feel.

Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread David E. Ross 
On 7/10/2017 7:57 PM, Lee wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> On 7/10/17, Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
>> Lee wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> downloading 500KB instead of 2.5MB is not my definition of "little
>>> benefit"
>>
>> Depends a lot on your connection speed.
> 
> I was really hoping to skip the discussion of exactly what "little
> benefit" means & go straight to how to decide _for yourself_ if
> disabling cache is a Good Idea or no.
> 
> Lee
> 

You might be interestend in my comments about "Internet speed" at
.

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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Lee wrote:


I was really hoping to skip the discussion of exactly what "little
benefit" means & go straight to how to decide _for yourself_ if
disabling cache is a Good Idea or no.


Fine. Try it, and if you like it better, stick with it. If not, revert. 
That's how I'd decide.


With all the variables, speculation from here is just guesswork.

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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Lee 
Hi Paul,

On 7/10/17, Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> downloading 500KB instead of 2.5MB is not my definition of "little
>> benefit"
>
> Depends a lot on your connection speed.

I was really hoping to skip the discussion of exactly what "little
benefit" means & go straight to how to decide _for yourself_ if
disabling cache is a Good Idea or no.

Lee
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Re: Question about Active versus non-active Tabs

2017-07-10 Thread David E. Ross 
On 7/10/2017 2:45 PM, Lee wrote:
> On 7/8/17, Ed Mullen  wrote:
>> On 7/8/17 at 10:08 AM, DoctorBill's prodigious digits fired off with
>> great aplomb:
>>> I am using SM 2.46 right now.  I just lately installed it on my wife's
>>> desktop.
>>> We both are using Windows 7 Pro.
>>> I do not know why, but on my computer, when there are multiple Tabs, the
>>> Tab in use at the moment is light colored.  In Pref's, appearance,
>>> colors, active is set to Red.
>>>
>>> On my wife's computer, all the (Multiple) tabs in use are ALL the same
>>> color, which makes it difficult to tell which tab you are in at any
>>> moment.  Underline links is checked.
>>>
>>> I have looked in preferences to see why my Tabs act that way in order to
>>> fix my wife's system.
>>>
>>> Is this current tab thing a SM thing or a Windows 7 thing ?
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me what to toggle in SM (or Windows 7) to make the
>>> current Tab (when there are multiple tabs) different (light, colored,
>>> something to identify it) ?
>>>
>>> DoctorBill
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Jonathan's reply is good.  You can also go further.
>>
>> 
>>
>> What you see there is done by this code in userChrome.css:
>>
>> /* Change color of active tab */
>> tab[selected="true"] {
>> background: #383 url(tab05.jpg);
>> color: white !important;
>> }
>>
>> /* Make the active tab bold */
>> tab[selected="true"] {
>> font-weight: bold !important;
>> }
>>
>> /* Change color of normal/unselected tabs */
>> tab:not([selected="true"]) {
>> background: #383 url(tab03.jpg);
>> color: blue !important;
>> }
> 
> Anybody else made changes in userchrome.css ?
> 
> /*
>  * Change color of selected tab
>  */
> .tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"],
> .tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"] > hbox {
>margin-left:  0px;
>margin-right: 0px;
>background-color: white !important;
>color: black !important;
>border-bottom: 2px solid #cc6600 !important;
>border-top-left-radius:  12px !important;
>border-top-right-radius: 12px !important;
>}
> 
> Lee
> 

Yes.  My active tab is dark blue with white text.  If I hover my cursor
over my active tab, however, the tab turns pale blue with black text.
The text is slightly larger than the rest of my user interface text.
Here is my CSS:

/* Font size on tabs */
.tabbrowser-tab
{ font-size: 105% !important }

/* Highlight active tab */
.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"] > hbox,
.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"] > .tab-close-button
{   background-color: #7799FF !important;
color: #ff !important }

.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"]:hover > hbox,
.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"]:hover > .tab-close-button
{   background-color: #CCDDFF !important;
color: #00 !important }

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Re: office365 imap connection does not ask for new password

2017-07-10 Thread Jonathan N. Little 

Philip wrote:

I have had seamonkey 2.46 mail working successfully with my company's
office365 mail server for a couple months. Today, I was prompted to
change my password for my domain access for the first time, which I did.
This password change gets reflected to office365 server.

When I restarted seamonkey mail was expecting to get a password failure
message and have seamonkey prompt for a new password, but instead I get
a message:

"Server  has disconnected. The server may have gone down
or there may be a network problem."

It does not prompt for a new password.

I tried to use the password manager to remove the old password, but the
password manager has no record for any password in the office365 domain.

Is there a somewhere I can force seamonkey to prompt for a new imap
password?


Yes go into password manager and remove the existing one.

Tools > Password Manager > Manage Stored Passwords

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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Lee wrote:


...

downloading 500KB instead of 2.5MB is not my definition of "little
benefit"


Depends a lot on your connection speed.

If you have a 300 baud modem, the difference is excruciating (2.5 MB = 
18.52 hours). If you have a gigabit connection, you won't notice it (2.5 
MB = 0.02 second, about the length of the tongue contact in the "d" of 
American English "pedal" or the "r" of Spanish "pero").


Most users are somewhere in between. On my 50 Mbps connection, it takes 
two or three seconds to download 2 MB (the difference between your two 
cases). If I pay attention, I can tell the difference between 500 KB and 
2.5 MB, but I would definitely call it "little benefit." If I had a 1 
Mbps connection and had to wait two minutes, it would be a BFD.


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Re: Question about Active versus non-active Tabs

2017-07-10 Thread Lee 
On 7/8/17, Ed Mullen  wrote:
> On 7/8/17 at 10:08 AM, DoctorBill's prodigious digits fired off with
> great aplomb:
>> I am using SM 2.46 right now.  I just lately installed it on my wife's
>> desktop.
>> We both are using Windows 7 Pro.
>> I do not know why, but on my computer, when there are multiple Tabs, the
>> Tab in use at the moment is light colored.  In Pref's, appearance,
>> colors, active is set to Red.
>>
>> On my wife's computer, all the (Multiple) tabs in use are ALL the same
>> color, which makes it difficult to tell which tab you are in at any
>> moment.  Underline links is checked.
>>
>> I have looked in preferences to see why my Tabs act that way in order to
>> fix my wife's system.
>>
>> Is this current tab thing a SM thing or a Windows 7 thing ?
>>
>> Can someone tell me what to toggle in SM (or Windows 7) to make the
>> current Tab (when there are multiple tabs) different (light, colored,
>> something to identify it) ?
>>
>> DoctorBill
>>
>>
>
> Jonathan's reply is good.  You can also go further.
>
> 
>
> What you see there is done by this code in userChrome.css:
>
> /* Change color of active tab */
> tab[selected="true"] {
> background: #383 url(tab05.jpg);
> color: white !important;
> }
>
> /* Make the active tab bold */
> tab[selected="true"] {
> font-weight: bold !important;
> }
>
> /* Change color of normal/unselected tabs */
> tab:not([selected="true"]) {
> background: #383 url(tab03.jpg);
> color: blue !important;
> }

Anybody else made changes in userchrome.css ?

/*
 * Change color of selected tab
 */
.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"],
.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"] > hbox {
   margin-left:  0px;
   margin-right: 0px;
   background-color: white !important;
   color: black !important;
   border-bottom: 2px solid #cc6600 !important;
   border-top-left-radius:  12px !important;
   border-top-right-radius: 12px !important;
   }

Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Lee 
On 7/10/17, meagain wrote:
> On 6/21/2017 8:59 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>
>> If you have a broadband connection there is little benefit to using a
>> browser cache.  Disable it.
>
> Interesting and clearly true, but I had never heard that recommendation
> previously.

Not clearly true.

try this:

Open SeaMonkey & click on tools / web development / toggle tools
select the network tab + the All tab below that
visit http://blog.patrickmeenan.com/2011/10/testing-for-frontend-spof.html
see what gets loaded & look at # requests, data xfer size & time on
the all/html/css/etc. tab

visit http://fasterdata.es.net/science-dmz/DTN/tuning/
see what gets loaded & how long it takes

click on the back button
see what gets loaded & how long it takes

click on the forward button
see what gets loaded & how long it takes
WTF!?
click on the GET /science-dmz/DTN/tuning line & notice the response header of
  Cache-Control:"no-cache, no-store, max-age=0, must-revalidate, no-transform"

paste "http://blog.patrickmeenan.com/2011/10/testing-for-frontend-spof.html;
into the URL bar
see what gets loaded & how long it takes



I understand that "little benefit" can mean different things to
different people, so type "about:cache" into the url bar
in the disk section, click on list cache entries
how many entries have a fetch count > 1 ?
does that meet your definition of "little benefit"?

I tried visiting reddit & opened 4 threads in new tabs, so there was
no forward/back button clicking & no page reloads
about:cache?storage=disk= shows
https://e.thumbs.redditmedia.com/pF525auqxnTG-FFj.png   500977 byte s
5   2017-07-10 16:11:25 2037-10-24 17:32:41

downloading 500KB instead of 2.5MB is not my definition of "little benefit"

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SeaMonkey wants access to the contact list

2017-07-10 Thread EE 
Why does SeaMonkey keep asking to access my contact list?  I had to use 
Thunderbird for email, since SeaMonkey would not set up IMAP email 
correctly.  Whether I give it permission or not, it still keeps asking 
every few hours.  If I do not use email, why would it need to use the 
contact list?

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Re: Question about Active versus non-active Tabs

2017-07-10 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Daniel wrote:

On 9/07/2017 3:50 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

Can someone tell me what to toggle in SM (or Windows 7) to make
the current Tab (when there are multiple tabs) different (light,
colored, something to identify it) ?


This is what I am talking about - if I can show images herethat
is.
[img]https://s19.postimg.org/v5v708f6r/Sea_Monkey_with_Tabs.jpg[/img]


It looks like you're using a theme other than the default, and the
highlighting might be part of that theme. Make sure your wife's
profile is using the same theme, selected at Tools > Add-ons
Manager > Appearance.

Otherwise, as others have mentioned, it may be that you've customised
the userChrome.css file in your profile to get this effect.


Mark, did you mean that DB should compare Theme settings at
View->Apply Theme??


No, but that does look like another way of doing it.

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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

2017-07-10 Thread Dirk Munk 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Ray_Net  writes:


Only for US to GB ... the regional setting is respected.


I don't know whether you are still talking about Seamonkey, but I have
seen the regional setting ignored for me, here, in the UK. I was 
using a

later version though than I am now. I am now on 2.49.1.


2.49.1 is not affected. Any higher version is. Same for Thunderbird 52.

FRG


It seems this bug is going to be resolved by getting the regional
settings that are actually in use by the OS.


What if you want a different form of the language?  That does not 
sound like a solution at all.




Can you explain what you mean please, it's not clear to me.
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Re: Wrong date & time format in mail & news messages

2017-07-10 Thread EE 

Dirk Munk wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Ray_Net  writes:


Only for US to GB ... the regional setting is respected.


I don't know whether you are still talking about Seamonkey, but I have
seen the regional setting ignored for me, here, in the UK. I was using a
later version though than I am now. I am now on 2.49.1.


2.49.1 is not affected. Any higher version is. Same for Thunderbird 52.

FRG


It seems this bug is going to be resolved by getting the regional
settings that are actually in use by the OS.


What if you want a different form of the language?  That does not sound 
like a solution at all.


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Re: Language pack 2.49.1 not working

2017-07-10 Thread EE 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/9/2017 11:10 AM, EE wrote:

Why does Adrian Kalla's en-GB 2.49.1 language pack not work with his
2.49.1 build of SeaMonkey?  I installed it but it does nothing.  I even
tried disabling all the other add-ons before installing, but that made
no difference.



Did you try installing the en-GB localization of SeaMonkey 2.49.1?

Please note that any 2.49.1 version is unofficial and might be buggy.


The only version of SM 2.49.1 I could find was en-US.

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office365 imap connection does not ask for new password

2017-07-10 Thread Philip 
I have had seamonkey 2.46 mail working successfully with my company's 
office365 mail server for a couple months. Today, I was prompted to 
change my password for my domain access for the first time, which I did. 
This password change gets reflected to office365 server.


When I restarted seamonkey mail was expecting to get a password failure 
message and have seamonkey prompt for a new password, but instead I get 
a message:


"Server  has disconnected. The server may have gone down 
or there may be a network problem."


It does not prompt for a new password.

I tried to use the password manager to remove the old password, but the 
password manager has no record for any password in the office365 domain.


Is there a somewhere I can force seamonkey to prompt for a new imap 
password?

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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread Felix Miata 
meagain composed on 2017-07-10 11:28 (UTC-0400):

> Ed Mullen wrote:

>> If you have a broadband connection there is little benefit to using a
>> browser cache.  Disable it.

> Interesting and clearly true, but I had never heard that recommendation 
> previously.

Not clear to me. Where's the proof? Surely this must depend on:

1-broadband speed (some are many times faster than others)

2-whether one habitually restores previous session at startup

3-if restoring, number of tabs open, and depth of each

4-if restoring, number of tabs in which JS is enabled

5-if restoring, number of tabs in which content is no-cache

6-local storage speed (some is magnitudes faster than the fastest broadband)
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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

2017-07-10 Thread meagain 

On 6/21/2017 8:59 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

If you have a broadband connection there is little benefit to using a
browser cache.  Disable it.


Interesting and clearly true, but I had never heard that recommendation 
previously.

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Re: "SeaMonkey v2.46 wants to update your plug-in" ???

2017-07-10 Thread GérardJan 

NFN Smith wrote:

null wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/6/2017 4:11 PM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

I'm running SeaMonkey v2.46 on a Windows 10 Pro 64 bit system with the
Creators Update version 1703 installed.

This morning when I started SeaMonkey, it opened several tabs. Each one
said something like "SeaMonkey v2.46 would like to update your  plug-in. Each of these mentioned a different plug-in.

 >>John

First of all, PrefBar is an extension, not a plugin.  There are
significant differences between the two.  The Mozilla developers did a
serious disservice to users when they decided to lump the two together
under the term "add-on".


I was interested in your above comment because I too have always been rather
confused about the difference between an extension and a plugin, and I'm still
unclear!

Would be great if you could post some clarification of this - I'm sure there
would be others who would also find it helpful.


Answering in context...

A plug-in is an external program, which is normally installed via normal O/S
installation processes, and makes itself available to Seamonkey or other
browsers. And since it's an external program, it runs apart from the browser,
even if the browser provides the UI.  Somewhere in the last couple of weeks
(perhaps in the Firefox support group), I saw a discussion that noted that if a
plugin crashes, it won't bring down the browser.

Adobe Flash is a plugin (and in the Add-ons section, it calls itself "Shockwave
Flash", even if Shockwave is a different tool (and also a plugin). Java (i.e.,
JRE) is also a plug-in (and not to be confused with the unrelated JavaScript).
Although the visibility of Java is considerably less than it was a couple of
years ago, it's still out there, and still a productive tool.  It's just that
you don't want to expose Java applications to the Internet through your browser.

The primary weakness of plug-ins is that there's no easy way of authenticating
whether code is legitimate or malicious, and both Flash and Java have history of
being vectors for malware (e.g., drive-by downloads).  Thus, developers are
moving away from doing things by plug-in. In particular, Firefox now has
deprecated access to all plugins except for Flash, and they'll be doing that to
Flash by the end of the year.

I'm currently a contributed build of Seamonkey 2.50, and I see that there are no
plugins visible in the AddOns manager (I quit running Flash some time ago),
although I think that's a development that may be more recent than the official
distribution of 2.46.  In the past, my habit has been to set permissions on a
couple of plugins (such as Flash) to request permission before executing, and
explicitly setting others to access that is permanently denied.  I'm working
from memory, but I know that Citrix (via tools like GoToMeeting or GoToWebinar)
provide plug-ins, and even Microsoft Office provides plugins. For me, since I
have no felt need for access for those tools in my browser (even if I make other
use of them), it's easy deny access to everything.


+1


Extensions are code that connect to your browser, and in the current Mozilla
architecture, normally distributed as .XPI files. The general purpose of
extensions is to extend the capacity of the browser (or in Seamonkey's case, the
mail client, as well), where the developers are not part of the core development
group, and in ways that are much more finely tuned to user preferences.  By the
original Mozilla development philosophy of "light and fast", if users want more
capacity in certain areas, the better way of doing that is to do it through
extension, and let individuals who what that capacity to install the extension
themselves, without burdening all users with a lightly-used feature. The vast
majority of extensions are distributed through addons.mozilla.org, and dating
from a couple of years ago, all extensions there are digitally signed. I don't
know if Mozilla has had much in the way of problems, but I know that Google had
problems with their extensions system, of extensions projects that have been
abandoned, and then where malware writers take over the projects.

The other thing about extensions to be aware of is that Mozilla is in the
process of changing the API used from XUL to using the WebExtensions API used by
Google Chrome.  Stuff done with WebExtensions will be interchangeable with
Chrome, but a lot of Mozilla extensions are done by small developers (and a
long-time evolution) and where they simply don't have the capacity of re-coding
their work for WebExtensions. So far, both Seamonkey and Thunderbird are
continuing to use the old API, but some extension writers who have extensions
that will run on either Firefox or Seamonkey have announced that they're
abandoning their work. Thus, depending on the extension, you may find that
extensions that work well in Seamonkey get abandoned.

For PrefBar (and I'm an enthusiastic user), I haven't yet seen whether the
developer will move to

Re: Message Composer is driving me nuts

2017-07-10 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl 

> by removing the empty line between quoted
> text and my reply.
>
> Is this a known bug?
Depending on the version yes. It should be fixed in 2.53 but I am still not 
sure for html and end of paragraphs. 2.49.1 should be ok but not sure either. 
See Bug 1357920 among others. If you can reproduce it file a bug for mailnews. 
Might be the same for Thunderbird then.

FRG


Mason83 wrote:

Hello,

I only ever write "Plain Text" emails. I have always
considered HTML messages a waste of bits.

Lately, when I reply to a Usenet message, proof-read it,
and send it, I will sometimes find that SM has bungled
formatting, by removing the empty line between quoted
text and my reply.

Is this a known bug?

Regards.



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Message Composer is driving me nuts

2017-07-10 Thread Mason83 
Hello,

I only ever write "Plain Text" emails. I have always
considered HTML messages a waste of bits.

Lately, when I reply to a Usenet message, proof-read it,
and send it, I will sometimes find that SM has bungled
formatting, by removing the empty line between quoted
text and my reply.

Is this a known bug?

Regards.
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