Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Which version are you on? 2.49.1 should behave the same as TB. If not file a 
bug. Maybe try the 2.49.2 candidate or wait till the final is out. Image and 
Link bug fixed there. If you are on an earlier version consider updating.


FRG

Ken Jarstad wrote:

Hey all, thanks for the replies.

I didn't realize that SM Composer was so long-in-the-tooth! It seems pretty 
good to me, but I am an ancient geek (I was a geek before it became 
fashionable!)

I think (maybe) the problem is that since I am using Gmail that it doesn't 
support backgrounds and strips them out. One anomaly however - I went back to 
Thunderbird and found it used the same Templates folder and the three templates 
I test-created showed up there - in both TB and SM Mail! And, if I create a 
complex email template with fancy background in TB, the full template is 
available to SM Mail! So, I'm thinking that SM Mail strips out the 
backgrounds. If I can leave a link you can look at my screenshot here. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wYIkgPCuiXnHTCtOLcUyUuCwEOYl_10E/view?usp=sharing


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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

[Ray_Net]

Ant wrote on 08-02-18 03:31:

On 2/7/2018 4:26 PM, alex zuber wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza 
Company wrote:

Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.


I'm using 2.47


I get that too in my v2.49.1 even after I clicked on "Continue using 
Classic Mail." option. I had to use "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" user agent. Same with 
https://messenger.yahoo.com/. :(
idem with my SM 2.49.1 But clicking on "Continue with Classic Mail" did 
nothing .. still asking forever ...

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.2 is coming soon!

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

On 2/5/2018 8:30 PM, Ant wrote:
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/02/06/quick-update/ and 
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/02/05/next-release-is-2-49-2-and/


Delayed due to issues: 
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/02/08/murphy-is-a-very-very-bad-person/

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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

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alex zuber wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company 
wrote:

Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.


Relly



Still working without complaints here on 2.49.1. One difference might be that I'm 
using it through AT That is, Yahoo is (or was) AT default email provider.


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1
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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

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On 2/7/2018 4:26 PM, alex zuber wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company 
wrote:

Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.


I'm using 2.47


I get that too in my v2.49.1 even after I clicked on "Continue using 
Classic Mail." option. I had to use "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; 
rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" user agent. Same with 
https://messenger.yahoo.com/. :(

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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company 
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> Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.

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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company 
wrote:
> Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.

Relly
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.2 is coming soon!

[Luis Carlos González Moráles]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Luis Carlos González Moráles wrote:
>> If web addons have to be implemented, could that veresion be SeaMonkey 3?
> If you mean WebExtensions as a SeaMonkey 3.0, that is definitely
> a possibility.
>
>> OK, Maybe I'll wait for that version, in case I haven't talked about it.

>> The 2.x versions have like 9 or so years that are developed:
>> I'm a blind user, so advanced things to me didn't affect me.
>> So what happen to the development?, Com on, sea monkey, com on!
> Well, we're playing catchup with the changing code within the
> Gecko codebase and since we only have like a handful of
> developers working on it, it is difficult to keep up.
>
> Oh sad. I don't want this beautyfull project to sece. I want it alive and 
> well...

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Re: my wonderful Seamonkey... an imap question

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sean nathan wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

sean nathan wrote:
Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a 
fresh install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to 
PeppermintOS linux 8 respin 2.


All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account. 
I have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding 
out via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by 
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.


Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from 
the servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail 
removes the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo 
accounts work that way.


IMAP synchronises emails on the PC with the server. Downloaded emails 
stay on the server. If you delete an email from the PC, it also gets 
deleted from the server. If you delete on the server, it will be 
deleted from the PC next time it syncs.


POP3 downloads email from the server to the PC. Whether it is left on 
the server having done so is optional. See the settings at Edit > Mail 
& Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your account) > Server 
Settings, in particular "Leave messages on server", "For at 
most...days" and "Until I delete them".


GMail is different (as always...) When using POP3, the server ignores 
the client's instructions as to whether to delete the email. Instead 
you have to log in to  and go to GMail's 
settings. On the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab is a setting "When 
messages are accessed with POP" with options "keep Gmail's copy in the 
Inbox", "mark Gmail's copy as read", "archive Gmail's copy" or "delete 
Gmail's copy".





Therein lies my dilemma, I never delete non-spam e'mail, but I do move 
it from the inbox to my decades of archived mail in the local folders. 
It resides on my machine permanently as an interactive diary of sorts...


Only Yahoo seems to be properly configured to allow mail removed from 
"Inbox" to be deleted.


Gmail moves copies into three separate imap folders... and I have to go 
to Cox cable & Outlook webmail to delete previously moved e'mail 
manually...


Gmail allows emails to be given multiple "labels", which it presents as 
folders in IMAP, resulting in copies in multiple IMAP folders. All 
incoming email appears in "Inbox" (or "Spam") and "All Mail". I'm not 
sure what the third one you refer to is?


There are a few settings in Gmail's web interface which might help...

(Gmail) Settings > Labels:

- Untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "All Mail" label
--- Prevents that label from being shown as a folder in IMAP along with 
duplicates of all emails.


- I also untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "Important" label
--- Avoids duplicates showing up in that IMAP folder. You might want to 
keep this one, depending whether you use the "Important" label, but if 
you do you'll need to delete "important" emails from both the Inbox and 
Important IMAP folders. Similarly you might want to untick the "Starred" 
label if you don't use that.


(Gmail) Settings > Forwarding and POP/IMAP:

- When I mark a message in IMAP as deleted: Auto-Expunge off
--- Avoids Gmail immediately deleting messages if SeaMonkey is set to 
mark messages as deleted, so you get the chance to un-delete them before 
compacting the folder to actually delete the messages marked as deleted.


- When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible 
IMAP folder: Immediately delete the message forever
--- If SeaMonkey is set to mark messages as deleted, messages marked as 
deleted in SeaMonkey (shown strike-through in the thread pane) will 
remain in Gmail's until the folder is compacted (expunged) in SeaMonkey, 
at which point messages marked as deleted are also deleted from Gmail.
--- If SeaMonkey is set to move deleted messages to the bin, deleted 
messages appear in the bin folder in both SeaMonkey and Gmail (Gmail 
doesn't immediately delete it at this point, as SeaMonkey has moved the 
message, not deleted it). Strangely, deleting the message from 
SeaMonkey's bin doesn't seem to delete it from Gmail's bin, but that 
seems to be the case regardless of the setting in Gmail and probably 
isn't too bad since Gmail automatically deletes messages from the bin 
after 30 days.


The SeaMonkey setting to mark messages as deleted or move them to the 
bin is at Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your 
account) > Server Settings > "When I delete a message".



Oh well, just have to go hit the delete button once a month I guess...


I find the above seems to work quite sensibly in Gmail. There are still 
a few quirks though. e.g. moving a message from a Gmail IMAP folder to a 
local folder in SeaMonkey leaves the message on Gmail's server (visible 
if you log in to webmail) but it doesn't show up in the IMAP folder on 
SeaMonkey (only in the local folder to which it was moved). If, in 
SeaMonkey, 

Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ken Jarstad]

Hey all, thanks for the replies.

I didn't realize that SM Composer was so long-in-the-tooth! It seems pretty 
good to me, but I am an ancient geek (I was a geek before it became 
fashionable!)

I think (maybe) the problem is that since I am using Gmail that it doesn't 
support backgrounds and strips them out. One anomaly however - I went back to 
Thunderbird and found it used the same Templates folder and the three templates 
I test-created showed up there - in both TB and SM Mail! And, if I create a 
complex email template with fancy background in TB, the full template is 
available to SM Mail! So, I'm thinking that SM Mail strips out the 
backgrounds. If I can leave a link you can look at my screenshot here. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wYIkgPCuiXnHTCtOLcUyUuCwEOYl_10E/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[NFN Smith]

Richard Owlett wrote:
As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It 
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


I take a similar approach. I do some documentation in HTML, and I really 
like the capacity of viewing an HTML document in Seamonkey, and pressing 
ctrl-E to edit it. My one complaint is that the composer turns out 
sloppy HTML.


However, knowing that the composer is not officially supported, I tend 
to use the stand-alone Kompozer (even though it's no longer supported), 
with the hopes that the HTML might be a little cleaner, but I think 
there's minimal difference.  I've also played with Blue Griffon, but 
there's just enough quirks in the UI (and even then, I'm not sure that 
the HTML is cleaner), and I think I'm probably going to go back to using 
the Seamonkey composer, as long as it's available.


That said, I do recognize FRG's point that Mozilla's architectural 
changes may make it impossible to keep the composer.  And I agree that 
mail/news takes developer priority.


Smith

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[cyberzen]

Richard Owlett a écrit :

As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


agree
same for me


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Re: SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/7/2018 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital 
genius:

My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days.
My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has 
noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing 
youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails.


I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media 
like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no 
personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not 
personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away.

You can using Teamviewer.  It's free.

https://www.teamviewer.us/downloads/

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Richard Owlett]

As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It 
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


On 02/07/2018 10:03 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
We try to keep it working. Not sure if we are able to do this in a 
possible future 2.57esr release. A lot of things were removed in the 
mozilla tree and some probably break Composer. We first need to unbreak 
mail/news and then see what goes. Composer will take a backseat here.


FRG

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:
On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital 
genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply 
import a new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I 
create a new web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so 
on I have to copy the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it 
into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my 
wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting the HTML - I find 
that the Compose message box has been stripped of any background 
elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange 
the code! What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98




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SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?

[Richard Owlett]

My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days.
My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has 
noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing 
youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails.


I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media 
like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no 
personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not 
personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away.


A discussion on a user group with a Linux focus causes me to suspect a 
cookie problem. However I've just read an unrelated thread that briefly 
discussed OAuth 2.0 issues. I've just done a preliminary web search. A 
Wikipedia article causes suspicion that it may be part of the problem as 
some of its description jibes with some of the user group thread.


I'm considering suggesting he replace Firefox with SeaMonkey because:
  1. I'm familiar with it.
  2. I suspect using SM's POP email client will give him a more
 comfortable experience. POP has the advantage over IMAP as it has
 option to delete emails from server as they are downloaded. The
 sync capability of IMAP is unnecessary as he has only one computer.
  3. A simple cookie policy should remedy or prevent problems.

Some questions:
  1. Does SeaMonkey's OAuth 2.0 implementation make it simple to set
 allow/disallow connections easily?
  2. Would a cookie policy session cookies only and no third party
 cookies be as useful for him as it has for me?
  3. Have I missed anything?

TIA
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

We try to keep it working. Not sure if we are able to do this in a possible 
future 2.57esr release. A lot of things were removed in the mozilla tree and 
some probably break Composer. We first need to unbreak mail/news and then see 
what goes. Composer will take a backseat here.


FRG

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:

On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a 
new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new 
web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy 
the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose 
dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that 
- but then, inserting the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has 
been stripped of any background elements. And further, examining the HTML 
code in the Compose message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty 
to re-arrange the code! What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put whatever 
HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and choose Template. 
In the future, right-click that template and choose Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98


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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:
On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital 
genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply 
import a new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I 
create a new web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so 
on I have to copy the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it 
into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my 
wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting the HTML - I find 
that the Compose message box has been stripped of any background 
elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose message 
reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital genius:

Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a new 
web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new web page 
with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy the HTML 
source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That 
isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting 
the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has been stripped of any 
background elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[WaltS48]

On 2/6/18 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad wrote:

I am valiantly trying to find a replacement for my wife's favorite email 
program called Incredimail. Incredimail is (or was) a delightfully integrated 
HTML email program that provided rich background templates and animated 
emoticons, all in a unified interface. Alas, the program was sold and the new 
owners are not supporting it well - and it has some obvious problems. I am also 
wanting to get her onto the Linux platform and this Windows only program is the 
last holdout.

I have been experimenting with Thunderbird, thought it looked promising, and 
then thought SeaMonkey might be even better since an HTML composer is included 
- and ought to be integrated. And finally to my question:

Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a new 
web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new web page 
with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy the HTML 
source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That 
isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting 
the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has been stripped of any 
background elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?

-=Ken=-



Both Thunderbird and SeaMonkey have the option to compose in HTML for 
email accounts. I believe it is the default setting in both applications.


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