Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

[Geoff Welsh]

jcteyssier wrote:

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
out.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/





Updated on 3 computers: works well as expected.
I do not see any difference with previous one (2.53.4)


what types of computers?  OS?  version?
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Re: The New Mail Tab Bar in 2.49.4

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:
OK, I installed 2.49.4 and now I have a tab bar for Mail that I don't 
need.


I am on OSX, so the window itself already displays the info that is 
needlessly repeated in this new tab bar.  I never use Tabs in Mail.


How do I make it go away?

The View options, only remove some icons from the Tab Bar, they don't 
make the bar go away.


GW


OSX shows the Inbox without it being in a tab?


Sorry, I don't understand your question, Walt, but Thomas H had the answer.

(I'm in three pane view, "inbox" is in the Folder tree)
GW
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Re: The New Mail Tab Bar in 2.49.4

[Geoff Welsh]

Thomas Hallgren wrote:

On 2020-09-29 23:50, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Sorry


I MEANT 2.53.4



Geoff Welsh wrote:

OK, I installed 2.49.4 and now I have a tab bar for Mail that I don't need.

I am on OSX, so the window itself already displays the info that is needlessly
repeated in this new tab bar.  I never use Tabs in Mail.

How do I make it go away?

The View options, only remove some icons from the Tab Bar, they don't make the
bar go away.

GW




Try this: goto Preferences -> Browser -> Tabbed Browsing, enable the option
"Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open". It seems that this option applies
to both browser windows and mail windows.

Thomas H



a-HAH!  Genius.

Thank you, Thomas H.

GW
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The New Mail Tab Bar in 2.49.4

[Geoff Welsh]

OK, I installed 2.49.4 and now I have a tab bar for Mail that I don't need.

I am on OSX, so the window itself already displays the info that is 
needlessly repeated in this new tab bar.  I never use Tabs in Mail.


How do I make it go away?

The View options, only remove some icons from the Tab Bar, they don't 
make the bar go away.


GW
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Re: The New Mail Tab Bar in 2.49.4

[Geoff Welsh]

Sorry


I MEANT 2.53.4



Geoff Welsh wrote:

OK, I installed 2.49.4 and now I have a tab bar for Mail that I don't need.

I am on OSX, so the window itself already displays the info that is 
needlessly repeated in this new tab bar.  I never use Tabs in Mail.


How do I make it go away?

The View options, only remove some icons from the Tab Bar, they don't 
make the bar go away.


GW


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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
-


I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to
check, but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to
delete or retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a
setting somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do
with messages downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that
too.  It could also be that they've changed that behaviour to honour
the client's setting (which might have been set to delete messages
all along, but ignored by GMail until now) or changed the options on
their side in some other way.


That is correct, and I had (somehow) figured that out a few years ago, 
when I got them both set-up.  Everything was functioning normally, by 
the time I got to both machines for side by side testing, so a google 
glitch is the likely suspect.  Thank you.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

NFN Smith wrote:
(to GW)


Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be
seeing the exact same thing.

If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple
machines (at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you
really want to adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP
client isn't deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the
other machine doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary
profile, and set mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which
allows any other profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2
weeks of received mail available.

Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed,
somehow.

It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the
tracking of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name
for that, so I won't suggest what you could do to check.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web
client, and see what's on the server.

Smith



Thank you Smith.  By the time I got to both machines for side by side 
comparison, (both IMAP set-up) a few test emails from me, were both 
correctly received by both machines.  So, random glitch on their side is 
all I can conclude.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

(To GW)

It could be something not within your control, perhaps related to this
issue:


Can’t send something on Gmail? If so then you’re in good company, ever
since about midnight ET, people have been complaining about issues
connecting to many of the G suite services, but especially Gmail.


(copied from https://www.engadget.com/gmail-is-down-053821685.html)



Great! Thank you Bill.  I had done a quick search for gmail issues and 
didn't find that.  Also, when I got to the machines later to run 
testing, both were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time 
(from me).  So I must presume Google fixed itself.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Edward wrote:

(to GW)
One thing to check in the settings is to make sure both systems are *not
polling GMail at the exact same time*. If this occurs, it's entirely
possible that GMail would see an abnormal number of simultaneous
connections from your IP address and blocked the second system from
connecting.

Earlier this year, I had a similar problem, although not with SeaMonkey
or Gmail, where a new Android e-mail app I was trying, unexpectedly
caused an excessive number of connections to a provider's IMAP server
all at once, which (1) exceeded the connection limit and (2) resulted in
the account becoming temporarily locked. The app in question was
establishing connections with /every IMAP folder/, which I was told it
should not have been doing.

Hope this helps.



Thank you Edward.  The two machines are (to my knowledge) not awake at 
the same time.  When I got to the machines later to run testing, both 
were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time (from me). 
So I guess it was a random glitch or Google fixed itself.

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SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying a 
computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?


I set up both Mac machines exactly the same, about four years 
agodon't really recall all that much about it100% of the time it 
is not a Mac or SM problem. IMEso I figure somebody else should have 
experienced this.


I have time later to do testing, but figured I'd ask first.

Anyone?
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Re: YouTube Problems

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/18/2020 10:30 AM, EE wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote:

YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on
Edge. Any help?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


I have media.autoplay.enable set to false.  I do not allow cookies for
YouTube.  I use a user-agent override with YouTube.
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/62.0

You might want to change the platform info for Windows, though it
probably does not matter much.



Rejecting cookies breaks some Web sites.  Instead, I makr the file
cookies.sqlite in my profile as read-only.  The Web server thinks it is
setting cookies, but those cookies are lost as soon as I terminate
SeaMonkey.

I default to blocking cookies and make exceptions for those that I 
need.   With sites I visit only occasionally, I limit them to session 
cookies.


How?  I used to do that until Firefox dropped the coding supporting 
the setting of Permissions and Seamonkey had to follow suit.



I bookmarked chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul
You can use that to make exceptions to cookie permissions.  


That's really cool.  I never knew that was there.
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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 13/04/2020 8:41 AM:

closing out my own question, thanks to some google searches;

the new preference to add in about:config to spoof at will is;

general.useragent.override

view message source on this post and it /should/ say Firefox 74

you can put Chrome or webkit or whatever you want.  :-)

Yeap, I see your User Agent as Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 
10.13; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0


but did you notice the pref you listed was "general.useragent.override" 
not the "general.useragent.override.seamonkey" that you quoted first 
time around.




Yes, they changed it.

As I understand it, now that you have it set to 
"general.useragent.override", ever site you visit will think you are 
using FF V78, not SM.




Or whatever I put there.  That was the first copy and paste I had ready.
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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[Geoff Welsh]

closing out my own question, thanks to some google searches;

the new preference to add in about:config to spoof at will is;


general.useragent.override

view message source on this post and it /should/ say Firefox 74


you can put Chrome or webkit or whatever you want.  :-)



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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 12/04/2020 4:53 AM:

Is general.useragent.extra.seamonkey no longer functional?

I had written (at some point);  Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 
10.13; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0



but when I check at- 
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent



it shows me Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Lightning/5.8.1


Geoff, where did you get the preference 
"general.useragent.extra.seamonkey" from??


If you enter "about:config" in the browser address bar, and, then, after 
accepting the warning, if you enter "useragent" in the Search: bar, you 
should see all the preferences which include "useragent" in the preference.


On that screen, do you see listed a preference called 
"general.useragent.extra.seamonkey"?? I don't!!


If you do see that preference, in the column labelled "Status", does it 
say "default" or "user set"?? If the later, you (or someone at your 
computer) have set up a specific useragent to be displayed to a 
'seamonkey'.


'www.whatis mybrowser.com' is not 'seamonkey' so your SeaMonkey is 
displaying its real useragent.


It is also possible that when you installed Lightning, it reset your 
general User Agent string to show SeaMonkey/2.53.1 and then added in the 
Lightning/5.8.1




I got the preference from this newsgroup many years ago.  It's user 
added and set.  It was to replace an old preference that the developers 
dropped around the time the "advertise Firefox compatibility" thing started.


I had been modifying it along the way.  Up until this new (2.53) it was 
still fooling web-sites.  Or at least it was still working the last time 
I checked.  I used to be quite active in this group many years ago, but 
lost track at some point.  I would switch it to whatever to try and get 
sites to display.


As to Lightning, I never added that myslef. That happened on it's own. 
If it is not stock in 2.53.1 then possibly during one of the betas I was 
running.(?)  "They" went back and forth on Ligthning between bundled.


Anyway, my question stands, as to whether 2.53 versions no longer 
recognize the user added pref general.useragent.extra.seamonkey


I know there was a huge back-end re-write between 2.49 and now so it 
would make sense, just looking for input from somebody who knows.

GW
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Useragent question - in about:config

[Geoff Welsh]

Is general.useragent.extra.seamonkey no longer functional?

I had written (at some point);  Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 
10.13; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0



but when I check at- 
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent



it shows me Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Lightning/5.8.1


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Header Tools Lite end of development

[Geoff Welsh]

I just updated to SM 2.53, (on Mac 10.13.6) which broke my favorite 
extension "Header Tools Lite".


I researched, it and found the developer has given up, do to the whole 
back-end change of Mozilla type products;


https://freeshell.de/~kaosmos/index-en.html

Other than rolling back to SM 2.50, I am open to suggestions of similar 
extensions to try out. or if anyone knows ho to hack it, to make it 
functional.


Thank you,


GW, Maui, Hi, USA
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Re: "2.49.5? Where is it? Quick! Call Waldo!"

[Geoff Welsh]

Ant wrote:
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2019/02/04/2-49-5-where-is-it-quick-call-waldo/ 



I know he was being humorous but I have no clue what Ed's OSX comment means.

Can you translate, Ant?
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Re: W3C compliance: a novel response

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

When I complained about bad browser sniffing at one of my favorite
websites:


I've never understood why web designers prefer to waste time writing
several custom versions of their code for several different browsers
instead of just writing one W3C-compliant version, but whatever.
I'll just keep dismissing the useless nag and go on about my life.


tech support wrote back:


The reason why websites tend not to be W3C-compliant is that while
it may be optimal to do so, it is very costly and takes up a lot of
resources.

Unfortunately, we currently do not have sufficient resources to do
so yet. But we'll definitely aim towards improving it and making it
more accessible to everyone.

Sorry for the inconvenience. If you have any other questions, please
let me know!


First time I've heard that one -- it's more expensive to write
W3C-compliant code than to write several custom versions for supported
browsers.



They would have to start over, instead of just changing little things, 
here and there, along the way, to the system they have now.  Makes sense 
to me.  I used to know several people with that same story about CSS. 
They had hundreds on top of 100's of tables and font tags and always 
said, "yeah, I'm going to be getting to learning CSS some day".

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Re: Weird error from viki.com (SOLVED)

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

.


OT -- my wife is Korean and used to go to this site a lot to watch
Korean movies.


I edit the English subtitles there, have seen 2,969 episodes and 62
movies (there and elsewhere) since 2008.

제 인사를 부인에게 보내주십시오.



PBG, Any good cop shows you could recommend?  I am USA based, but love
the UK ones, maybe something good in Korea?


Please write me off-list. It should be obvious to a human being how to
change my munged email to a valid one.


Sorry, guess I'm not human.  Tried several things that seemed obvious.

GW
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Re: Weird error from viki.com (SOLVED)

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

.


OT -- my wife is Korean and used to go to this site a lot to watch
Korean movies.


I edit the English subtitles there, have seen 2,969 episodes and 62
movies (there and elsewhere) since 2008.

제 인사를 부인에게 보내주십시오.



PBG, Any good cop shows you could recommend?  I am USA based, but love 
the UK ones, maybe something good in Korea?


GW
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Re: 2.46 SeaMonkey and Mac OS 10...

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Hi,

According to posts I have read in this newsgroup Seamonkey 2.46 no
longer supports Mac OS 6-8. Is this true?

I am running 2.46 on a late 2006 iMac running 10.7.5 Seamonkey runs very
well on my iMac. I have not noticed any issues or problems with
SeaMonkey. So why do developers such as Edmund Wong claim that 2.46 will
not run on Mac OS 10.6-8?


It certainly would not install in Mac OS 10.6.



EE, in case you are interested,  I just found and downloaded 2.45a2 and 
it does launch and run on OSX 10.6.8


using it to type this

from  http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/05/

GW


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Re: (Mac 10.6-10.8 )Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hello,

I contributed some additional release notes here



Please feel free to comment, correct, add information, ...

CU

Rainer


Rainer I just read on your release notes

"MAC: AFAIK Support for OSX 10.6 to 10.8 has became discontinued in
2.46. Nothing we can do about it. It is removed from the Gecko 49 engine
and Firefox 49"

I am running 10.7.5 on a late 2006 iMac. Yesterday I went to the help
menu and saw that Seamonkey 2.46 had downloaded and was ready to
install. I installed it and am happily running 2.46 for several hours
and have not encountered any problems or issues.

I would suggest anyone with Mac OS 10.6 to 10.8 try 2.46, BUT a word of
caution as your mileage may vary. Make sure you have a recent backup of
SeaMonkey 2.40 on your Time Machine backup just in case.




I'm gonna try that.  Thanks for posting!

I have three MBP Snow Leopard machines, all were originally cloned 
profiles, from an G5 iMac on 10.4.  WindowShadeX is da bomb.

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Re: How long will SeaMonkey continue to support Mac OS X 10.6-10.8?

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

JD wrote:

I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this, but I'm not sure
exactly where to ask this question.  We've been having a discussion on
another site about the future of web browsers on OS X 10.6-10.8 since
Firefox is dropping support.  After Firefox ESR 45 support ends,
SeaMonkey
will be the only browser (that I know of) that still supports 10.6-10.8.

Does SeaMonkey plan to end support for Mac OS 10.6-10.8 in the
foreseeable
future?  Also, if this is not the place to ask this question, will
someone
point me to the right place to ask it?

Thanks.


SeaMonkey 2.46 does not install into Mac OS 10.6.  No idea about 10.8. I
had to upgrade to use 2.46.  I had to upgrade to 10.11, then I decided
to go all the way to 10.12.



Yikes!  Looks like I picked the right time to start reading the 
newsgroup again.  I almost put 2.46 on my MBP running 10.6.


I have THREE MBP running 10.6 but only one is used for mail (so only one 
has SM).  They are all "mid 2009" models.  (I LOVE WindowshadeX)


Thanks double-E
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Re: Same Old Question

[Geoff Welsh]

DoctorBill wrote:

I am sorry to ask this same old question again, but I can't remember how
to do it - give me a break !

I am running SM 2.12.11 and many sites now won't work.  I get a message
that my Browser is too old to work with their sitedamn !

I have the newer version of SM downloaded, but am reluctant to commit to
installing it and maybe regretting doing so.

Can I install the newer version BUT KEEP the older version as a back-up
in case I have some problem(s) with the newer version ?

Once the new version is running w/o problems, I could THEN drop the
older version.

DoctorBill


I suppose it depends on the OS, but on Mac, I close SM, then rename it 
OldSeamonkey.app then install a new version.  If something is broken, I 
trash it, then go back to the old one.


I have been quite happy for several months with SM 2.34a1 .
Before that I was sticking to SM 2.23 for bug reasons

GW
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Re: Plugin Check

[Geoff Welsh]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


I couldn't see anything on Bugzilla about plugin check not working for
SeaMonkey, so have filed:
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1153573

One way or anther there seems to be a problem - either that plugin check
page should work with SeaMonkey, or SeaMonkey should stop trying to use it.

Mark.



+1

GW
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Re: Updateing Plugins

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:

On 25/03/15 01:19, pjdkru...@gmail.com wrote:

Mozilla never really got any of that part of the Addons Manager
working correctly in Firefox, so SeaMonkey has the same weirdness.
Mozilla is trying to get away from recommending Plugins so I suspect
in the near future some of that stuff will be ripped out. If you want
a specific Plugin, you just need to go to it's official website and
install it... you cannot install Plugins through Firefox/SeaMonkey
anyway... they have to be installed at the OS level.


So how will I find out what plug-ins I need and where to get them from??



When a web page requires a plugin that you don't have, it usually tells 
you just that.


If you want to check on what you already have, put about:plugins in the 
URL bar.


GW
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Re: Changing the subject

[Geoff Welsh]

Onno Ekker wrote:

On 26-3-2015 13:54, Mr. Cheese wrote:

I often receive mail that I want to save in a separate folder. On
occasion the Subject line does not contain meaningful info. How can I
edit the subject line before saving?


Header Tools Lite should do the trick and should work wirh SeaMonkey:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/header-tools-lite

Onno


+1

That is the most useful addon I have!

After it's installed, all you do is control-click the subject, and 
change it.


GW
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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

[Geoff Welsh]

Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 21/03/2015 17:17:

On 03/21/2015 12:03 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56:

Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html



Bout time.

Eric

I did not  see the seamonkey word on this page ...



You need to learn how to navigate the site. Click the right facing
arrow above the text 1 of 11. SeaMonkey is #7 of 11.


OK, I see. thanks.
I nerver use the maximized windows sot the arrows were missing :-)


I maximized the window to get the arrows, but they only work twice then 
stop.  Slide-shows have to be the absolute dumbest thing a page designer 
can do.


GW
OS X, SM 2.34a1
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Re: SeaMonkey on Mac: Toolbar unresponsive

[Geoff Welsh]

ismand...@hotmail.com wrote:

Using SM 2.13.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 (the last supported version for
Mac Leopard).

Every so often the top toolbar freezes and becomes unresponsive. The
only way for me to reactivate it is to restart SM. The right-hand
toolbar (clock, Spotlight etc.) is not affected.

Any ideas?


you must have an Intel machine?  I have a PPC running OSX 10.5.8 and the 
last SM for /this/ is SM 2.0.14, but I have never run into that problem. 
 Obviously the solution is to use these old machines as sparingly as 
possible.  I have an extremely short list of web sites I will dare load, 
that I already know will NOT lock everything up or crash SM,  and just 
use this machine when my modern Mac has killed the battery (due to too 
much Flash on some web page, no doubt).


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Re: SeaMonkey Icon/Logo Idea

[Geoff Welsh]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/16/2015 4:51 PM, G. Ross wrote:

Ronnie wrote:

Hi all,

I'm the maintainer of LXLE Linux, some of you know we recently made the
move to SeaMonkey as our default web browser/suite.

I thought of this a while back but have not mentioned it yet. I think a
good change / update to SeaMonkey to perhaps give it a fresh identity
might be to ditch the blue actual seamonkey icon for perhaps a navigator
wheel similar to the Netscapes with a monkey in a pirate hat behind it
steering it.

Just a thought.

~Ronnie


I always change my icon to a ship's wheel anyway.



I leave the default icon alone for the SeaMonkey executable and for
Internet shortcuts (.URL files).  However, I replace the icon for .htm,
.html, .shtm, and .shtml files with my own enhanced Mozilla icon (the
red dragon's head on a background that shades from pale orange at the
top to dark orange at the bottom).  This helps to distinguish HTML files
from Internet shortcuts.



ah, yesThat old red Mozilla dragon was cool!

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Re: Vertical Thread Lines Missing in 2.33

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

In the mailnews display of threaded messages, there were vertical line
connections showing the relationship (and amount of indenting) between
message comments. In 2.33, I no longer see them. (The amount of
indenting is OK.) Is this a bug?



Most likely. I don't see them either.


I wonder, that might be related to the Folder Tree lines being messed-up 
or missing (in the Folder Pane) and there IS a bug on that but

IDR/IDK the #

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.34b1 information

[Geoff Welsh]

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

2.34b1's release is going to be postponed without any definitive ETA as
we are trying to get our Windows infra updated which is being
coordinated by Justin Wood (tip of the hat to him for his continual
efforts in this regard... it is difficult work indeed).

Given that, the SeaMonkey project really does appreciate everyone's
patience and continual support. :)

Thanks.

Edmund


if anyone on Mac OS X is dying for this Beta, be advised I have been 
running 2.34a1 without any problems for weeks, so don't be afraid to use 
that.


GW
(not on those machines at moment, though)

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Re: FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 03/03/15 04:38, Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 3/2/2015 12:29 PM:

FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?

Hi, can someone tell me the FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?
Thanks.


29


I normally determine the FF equivalent of SM by adding the bits of the
SM version and then adding one, e.g. SM 2.26 ... 2 + 26 + 1 = 29
therefore SM 2.26 is equivalent to FF 29

Don't know how the extra bit works in ... maybe SM 2.26.1 is
equivalent to FF 29.1 and SM 2.27 (if there was one) would have been
equivalent to FF 30.


Interesting!  I found a chart at Mozilla listing the products.
Installed FF 27 on one laptop tonight.
Removed FF 29.
I agree with Geoff.  May install 28.xx on another laptop tomorrow
Then eventually SM 2.23 or so on this machine.


I held at SM 2.23 until the mail addressing autocomplete problems 
introduced after it were fixed.  I'm happy with 2.34a1 now.


GW
(build ID 20150112003001, on various Mac OS X)
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Re: FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

A Williams wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 3/2/2015 12:29 PM:

FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?

Hi, can someone tell me the FF equivalent to SM 2.26.1 ?
Thanks.


29




The last one before Australis?  That has to be a bonus.


Firefox 29 was the beginning of Australis.



I'm still on FF 28 and I couldn't remember why, but I knew there was a 
good reason.


Thanks

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Re: attachments in the Sent Folder (waste of space)

[Geoff Welsh]

cmcadams wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

for a long time, I have tried to remember, that, I should
detach/delete pictures sent
to me as attachments to messages.  But, it just dawned on me that
every time I have
SENT a picture, as an attachment, that picture is saved in my Sent
Folder.

Is there a setting to make that not permanent?

My sent folder goes back ten years, at least.

GW
(on Mac, with SM 2.34a1)


Only way I know is to manually bring up the message, right click on the
attachment and click Delete. No general settings that I'm aware of.


It seems like a design flaw.

the pref  mail.compose.dont_attach_source_of_local_network_links

shows that someone thought about this, but that pref doesn't stop files 
from being stored internally.  IDK /what/ it does.  But it doesn't stop 
this behavior (topic).


GW

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Re: Clicking On Full Screen Button Has No Affect For this Page

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

EE wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

When I click on the Full Screen button of the following page, nothing
happens. It does not work for SM 2.32 (using a Default Profile) but it
does work for Firefox 36, Chrome 40 and Safari 5.1.7.

Can anyone verify that it does or does not work?

http://www.lucentretirees.com/newsletters/mobile/index.html#p=1


It does not work for me with SeaMonkey.  In fact, it seems to set
SeaMonkey to using that keyboard combination to open the filter list for
Adblock Plus rather than going to full screen.  I have to turn off SM
and start it up again to get the full screen to work again.
That button on the page does not work with Firefox but I can get FF to
go into full-screen mode with the keyboard combination.


Correction - something else set SM to changing its behaviour with the
full-screen key combo.  I tried it again from a fresh start and this
time the full screen worked from that page, but not with the button on
the page.


I hadn't realized SM ever added the View / Full-Screen choice.  Thanks 
for that tip.


GW
(on Mac OSX w/ SM 2.34a1)
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Re: Mouse wheel scrolling

[Geoff Welsh]

Roger Fink wrote:

 Original Message 

SeaMonkey never had the best implementation of mouse wheel scrolling,
but in 2.32.1 (and possibly earlier) it appears to be nonexistent. This
is true even in Safe Mode.

By contrast, Fire Fox and Pale Moon work as they should on my Win7 PCs.

Any workaround for this?



In case it wasn't obvious (probably it wasn't) I was referring to
clicking the middle button and then moving the entire mouse N-S-E-W, not
rotating the wheel itself.


yikes!  I'd never even heard of doing that

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attachments in the Sent Folder (waste of space)

[Geoff Welsh]

for a long time, I have tried to remember, that, I should detach/delete 
pictures sent to me as attachments to messages.  But, it just dawned on 
me that every time I have SENT a picture, as an attachment, that picture 
is saved in my Sent Folder.


Is there a setting to make that not permanent?

My sent folder goes back ten years, at least.

GW
(on Mac, with SM 2.34a1)
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it would be nice to lock the view Arrangements

[Geoff Welsh]

us power users, know that what we see, on the computer screen, with SM 
running is infinitely configurable.  We can click on View/Showor 
View/Layout...or click on a myriad of Grippies, or triangles, or 
click-drag the Pane separators, control-click on Menu barswe can 
switch it around anyway (almost) we like.


Does anyone agree it would be nice to lock it down after it's set?  Once 
a week I get an email from a relative who has lost all my folders 
because they have errantly clicked on SOMEthing, and don't know what 
happened.


So I ask,
Does anyone agree it would be nice to lock it down after it's set?

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Re: it would be nice to lock the view Arrangements

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/03/2015 12:48 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:

us power users, know that what we see, on the computer screen, with SM
running is infinitely configurable.  We can click on View/Showor
View/Layout...or click on a myriad of Grippies, or triangles, or
click-drag the Pane separators, control-click on Menu barswe can
switch it around anyway (almost) we like.

Does anyone agree it would be nice to lock it down after it's set?  Once
a week I get an email from a relative who has lost all my folders
because they have errantly clicked on SOMEthing, and don't know what
happened.

So I ask,
Does anyone agree it would be nice to lock it down after it's set?

GW



Not for me, but you might want to go over to the relatives house and
lock their preferences.

[Locking preferences - MozillaZine Knowledge
Base](http://kb.mozillazine.org/Locking_preferences)

Good Luck!



that info looks promising.  Thanks Walt

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Re: Earthlink Home page Loading Incorrectly

[Geoff Welsh]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 12/26/2014 11:50 PM:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

.
It sounds to me more like he isn't loading the CSS file the first time.
The statement loaded page left supports that. Can't say why, though;
maybe if he gave a link to the page, it would become evident.

I have run into a few sites like that in the past.



CSS was such a great idea until the traffic jams at the style sheet
servers started!

GW


It would be pretty odd to have a style sheet on a server other than the
one the HTML is on.



only for tiny companies with home made sites.  Watch the Status Bar when 
page-loads are hanging, for big companies like Amazon, eBay, 
TD-Ameritrade, etc.  The active server calls on a dozen others to create 
the page content


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Re: Query - Security Message - You have requested an encrypted page that contains insecure information. Information that you see or enter on this page could be read by a third party

[Geoff Welsh]

Ben wrote:

Security Message - You have requested an encrypted page that contains
insecure information. Information that you see or enter on this page
could be read by a third party

https://tinychat.com/connectwith5d..


-(many lines of pref info)-

But anyway, does then ultimately mean that seamonkey is far superior to
firefox when it comes to security ?


No, it means that SM has a lot more adjustability and FF is just set how 
it's set, which is to the most secure way as the developers see fit.



Does anybody have an explanation, and is the site
https://tinychat.com/connectwith5d safe to use or not.


When I go to that site I get a message (from SM) across the top that 
says insecure (stuff) on this page was blocked and it has buttons to 
keep it that way or change it.


When I /have/ seen the You have requested an encrypted page that 
contains insecure. message on sites in the past, however, I have 
from time to time, dug into the code and found it's usually a psuedo 
false alarm in the sense that, YES /some/ of the stuff on that page is 
from an insecure server but it's style sheet and image stuff, not the 
input form (or like) important stuff that deals with the password you 
type.  On the odd occasion that I have seen that warning on PayPal I 
just purposely type everything wrong, and the next reload is usually 
straight-up https secure.


as for TinyChat, I have no idea who uses it or why, but I would ask them 
if you are concerned


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Re: Earthlink Home page Loading Incorrectly

[Geoff Welsh]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Larry H wrote:

Am using Seamonkey V2.31 on a windows 7 pc. When I launch my home page
it loads badly misaligned. Many things are loaded page left. Other
items load on top of each other! If I click reload the page does load
correctly. This happens frequently.


If reloading solves it, it's probably a cranky connection.


It sounds to me more like he isn't loading the CSS file the first time.
The statement loaded page left supports that. Can't say why, though;
maybe if he gave a link to the page, it would become evident.

I have run into a few sites like that in the past.



CSS was such a great idea until the traffic jams at the style sheet 
servers started!


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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

[Geoff Welsh]

Ant wrote:

Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version,
v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If
you want v2.26.1, then use
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...


And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the
latest version, go to Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Software Installation
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the Automatically download
and install updates.


Good idea and call. I always disable this feature. Now, if I could
disable the darn reminder!


mine never reminds me.

I'm pretty sure one of the app.update.xyz preferences in about:config 
is why, but IDR/IDK which one it isthere's like 30 of them


GW
(on a OSX v10.6 Mac with SM2.23 right now)
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Re: Meanwhile, on the good news part of the news...

[Geoff Welsh]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On 28/11/2014 07:42, Geoff Welsh wrote:


This addressing bug fix has landed;

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

and is fixed in nightlies of TB they say.

Not sure if/how/when that would/might drift over to SM.


https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/98414962486a

All the changes are in /mailnews/ this part of the comm-central source
tree is shared between Thunderbird and SeaMonkey so normally will not
need any further action by the SeaMonkey team.



That's great!

Thanks for the clarification, Phil.

GW



Responding to myself here, but as of right now, running SM 2.34a1, 
because the bug for TBird addressing #970456 is FIXED. the related SM bug


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972690

is Fixed.

Maybe 2.33b has it implemented too IDK, but it's definitely fixed in SM 
2.34a1.


The latest official release did not have the fix when I tried it.

GW
on many a different Mac,

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Re: Printing - SeaMoney only prints first page

[Geoff Welsh]

Ant wrote:

Ditto on my side. We should tell them about this problem:
i...@familystylewithchefjeff.com and
http://www.familystylewithchefjeff.com/#!contact_us/c1ta9 ... I really
dislike the fade effects too. :(


I just got an e-mail:

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:53:11 -0800
From: Family Style with Chef Jeff i...@familystylewithchefjeff.com
To: Ant...
Subject: Re: Web site problems.
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6)

Hello Ant,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. What recipe would you like to
print? We would be happy to send you a PDF version. Unfortunately we
have a very
small web budget so the website was developed on WIX so SeaMonkey
v2.26.1 isn’t
optimal for the WIX platform. We suggest Chrome to view the website.
Thank you
very much.


Best,
Family Style with Chef Jeff
www.familystylewithchefjeff.com
@FamilyStyleCook



To which you should reply, well then, Chef Jeff, I am informing you 
that you were cheated.  You spent money on something that only works for 
20% of the world. Tell them to fix it or you want your money back


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.31b2 released

[Geoff Welsh]

Neil wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:


seems the fix for Bug 970456 that has landed in TB nightlies, has not
drifted over yet.


I assume that this is currently fixed as of SeaMonkey 2.33; you could
make the case to get the patch uplifted to 2.32 but it might be too late
to get it into 2.31 though.



Thanks.  I'm an SM only guy and have no idea how versions 
coincide/relate from TB to SM.  The bug report says Target Milestone: 
Thunderbird 36.0 


But a comment in bug 558931 says fix for bug 970456 will be in 
Thunderbird 31.0 .


If all that translates to SM 2.33, then I thank you, Neil, for the info.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.31b2 released

[Geoff Welsh]

Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

It's been a long time since anyone has officially announced any
SeaMonkey releases, so here goes.

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.31b2.  Please give it a spin.

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.31, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.31 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.31
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.31/


seems the fix for Bug 970456 that has landed in TB nightlies, has not 
drifted over yet.


GW
(still holding at 2.23)
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Re: Meanwhile, on the good news part of the news...

[Geoff Welsh]

Philip Chee wrote:

On 28/11/2014 07:42, Geoff Welsh wrote:


This addressing bug fix has landed;

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

and is fixed in nightlies of TB they say.

Not sure if/how/when that would/might drift over to SM.


https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/98414962486a

All the changes are in /mailnews/ this part of the comm-central source
tree is shared between Thunderbird and SeaMonkey so normally will not
need any further action by the SeaMonkey team.



That's great!

Thanks for the clarification, Phil.

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Re: Bug 1098639 - The Edit Bookmark Panel animates when opening.

[Geoff Welsh]

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 11/28/2014 11:05 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Philip Chee wrote on 11/28/2014 9:16 AM:

STR:
Visit some website
On the right side of the location bar there is a bookmark button (some
sort of diagonal ribbon-like thing).
Click on it will open a add bookmark arrow panel.

Cause: Bug 610545 (arrow panels should animate when opening and when
cancelling).

To prevent panel popups from animating when opening it suffices to add
|animate=false| to the edit bookmark panel:
panel id=editBookmarkPanel

To animate or not to animate.

For: shiny!
Against: Nothing else in SeaMonkey browser animates so it looks out of
place.

I have a patch that turns this animation off. Opinions anyone?

Phil



Clicking the ribbon here does not do anything except silently add the
current page to the Recently Bookmarked folder.  Not seeing any
animation, not seeing any panel.  v. 2.30 release channel.



If you already have the site bookmarked then clicking on the ribbon
animates opening the Edit Bookmark panel (Philip's texts says add
bookmark, his subject is correct).

To answer the question: doesn't bother me either way.

Lem Johnson


I always thought that thing just didn't work.  Now that I understand it, 
from this thread, it seems finenot weirdly animated or whatever.


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Re: Meanwhile, on the good news part of the news...

[Geoff Welsh]

MCBastos wrote:

Thunderbird development (which reflects on Seamonkey), which has been
sort of stalled for a while, seems to be reenergized. Look at this:

https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2014/11/thunderbird-reorganizes-at-2014-toronto-summit/

Among other things, there's now a roadmap for Thunderbird 38 (due next
year):

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Thunderbird38

which includes several worthy goals, such as support for large
mailboxes, finalizing maildir, support for OAuth in Gmail and such.

I expect that the Seamonkey devs will keep an eye on developments there
so they can bring some of these things to our side.



This addressing bug fix has landed;

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

and is fixed in nightlies of TB they say.

Not sure if/how/when that would/might drift over to SM.

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Re: Deleted mail comes back

[Geoff Welsh]

Mike C wrote:


This is exactly what I've done.
AND.. It's the way I have it in lots of other computers.
There must be something else bothering it.



Mike,

I had a problem like that once, and I stopped it by using the web 
browser to access my email (my ISP) web-mail portal and deleted the 
offending (infected) message that way.


(Something about the message date being from 20 years in the future, IIRC.)

It's worth a shot anyway.
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Re: SeaMonkey Trunk

[Geoff Welsh]

Philip Chee wrote:

On 15/11/2014 13:27, MCBastos wrote:

On 14/11/2014 22:34, Ruediger Lahl wrote:

Hallo SeaMonkey-Builders

In June, the Tinderbox-SeaMonkey-Trunk-Builds went offline. Is their any
chance, to get them back online in the nearer feature?


That's probably because Tinderbox has been retired by Mozilla and
replaced by more modern tools. I'm not really familiar with all the ins
and outs of the build process, but there should be another way to get
trunk builds.


Tinderbox has long since been replaced by the TBPL (Tinderbox pushlog -
which doesn't use tinderbox despite the name). More recently the tbpl
has been replaced by treeherder - at least for Firefox and Thunderbird.

So Tinderbox is about two generations ago.

Phil


were they called tinderbox cuz they would burn easily?
I always wondered about that.

GW
(NOT a computer programmer)

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Re: SM and Yosemite

[Geoff Welsh]

PhillipJones wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

HilsB wrote:

How well does SM integrate with Yosemite on Macs?
Any experiences good or bad appreciated.


Well the only issue I have run across is That I can't empty the cache
Unless I have PerfBar installed the empty Trash Button inside the
regular Preferences (Advanced Menu  Cache doesn't work


  supposed to be:

  Well the only issue I have run across is That I can't empty the
cache
  Unless I have PerfBar installed the empty *cache* Button inside the
  regular Preferences (Advanced Menu  Cache doesn't work
 


I am not using Yosemite, but Lion on Mac. I believe the Cache does
indeed work. The preference button does clear the cache, even though
the
cache size number remains unchanged. To prove the cache is cleared use
the preference to clear the cache. Now type about:cache in the
address
bar in the browser window and press return and you will see that the
cache has been reset to zero.

The most recent SeaMonkey did empty cache by going to advanced
preferences and clicking empty cache. After switch to Yosemite. That no
longer works only using the empty cache button on the PerfBar menu.


You can still clear the cache using SeaMonkey's own UI.

1) Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache:
Click the [Clear Cache] button

OR

2) (from a browser window) Tools | Clear Private Data (shortcut:
Ctrl-Shift-Del), provided you have checked the Cache button at Edit |
Preferences | Privacy  Security | Private Data.

And of course, if you've specified in the same dialog that private data
should be cleared on exit, SM will do so automatically each time you
close the program.


The cache empty does work in SeaMonkey up to Mavericks (OSX.9.5)
But does not with Yosemite.  At least I haven't been able to get it to
empty. Except through empty cache button on Prefbar.




if you disabled PrefBar extension, would the internal SM way work then?

Extensions are usually the cause of any problem, after an SM 
updateI'm just extending that logic to an OS upgrade.


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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

[Geoff Welsh]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/13/2014 1:00 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, On 13/11/2014 19:17:

On 11/13/2014 8:07 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

This is the second occurrence: bp-ced0a98a-fbae-4da7-974e-8554d2141113
The first was: bp-5e2bebbb-695b-49e4-96f4-bb2da2141105

Both of them points to bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759749

With the Status: RESOLVED FIXED

But not for me :-) It's not resolved nor fixed.

What can i do to get the correction ? Because reading the text of the
bug 759749 is incomprehensible/abstruse for me.


Although supposedly fixed this past January, several users (not only
you) have reported crashes since then.


Yes, i have also readed that, but in what SM version this bug is
supposed be fixed ?
I have 2.26.1



It was supposed to be fixed with Gecko 29, which is what SeaMonkey
2.26.1 uses.



and when did the new Google Maps start?  Like a month or two ago?
As much as I love SM, Google is making their own sites and their own 
browser, so for YouTube and Google Maps, I use Chrome.  I figure it's 
impossible for SM to keep up with their changes, so why risk SM crashing.


my $0.02

GW
(on Macs of various age all day)

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Re: Outbox in Local Folders

[Geoff Welsh]

Danny Kile wrote:

EE wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

was the Outbox in/under Local Folders always there? or did I just
accidentally create it when I accidentally typed the keyboard shortcut
for send message later ? (which I figured out after several minutes of
wondering why the message I was composing disappeared.)

does everybody else have that folder?

GW on Mac


It appears only when you need it.  It will be there from now on unless
you remove it from the profile.



So where do you go to do this?

Danny



probably the Profile Folder, while SM is not running.  But IDC enough to 
try it.  Report back if you do.


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Re: general.useragent.override x email

[Geoff Welsh]

smatest wrote:

do it is possible to set
general.useragent.override
only for email client?


that doesn't make sense.  Set a browser spoofing preference for NOT the 
browser ?


$0.02

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Re: general.useragent.override x email

[Geoff Welsh]

smatest wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

that doesn't make sense.

Why?
i would send a email with a user agent customized.


since I can't imagine a reason to do that, I figure it is not possible 
to only customize the user-agent string in email.


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Outbox in Local Folders

[Geoff Welsh]

was the Outbox in/under Local Folders always there? or did I just 
accidentally create it when I accidentally typed the keyboard shortcut 
for send message later ? (which I figured out after several minutes of 
wondering why the message I was composing disappeared.)


does everybody else have that folder?

GW on Mac
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Re: SM 2.26: Map doesn't display

[Geoff Welsh]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/7/2014 9:56 AM, EE wrote:

flyguy wrote:

The map on this page does not display in my SM 2.6

http://www.yellowpages.com/listings/470061979/directions?reverse=0start=Richland%2C+WAend=2155+Stevens+Dr%2C+Richland%2C+WA+99354


I've disabled Adblock, and allow all cookies and images. It does display
in IE 11. I haven't had this problem on other sites.

What is keeping it from displaying the map?


I see the map.  It is not Adblock Plus preventing it, since I have it
active, although it might be some subscription that I do not have.  More
likely some other extension.



Since I had the same problem in Safe Mode, I strongly suspect the
problem is NOT related to any extension.  I am still using SeaMonkey
2.26.1 (see my signature below), and that might be the cause of the
problem.



I can see pieces of the image if I strip them out viewing the page in Opera

e.g. 
http://ak.dynamic.t2.tiles.virtualearth.net/comp/ch/02123031203232?mkt=en-usit=G,Lshading=hillog=64n=zkey=AsPOAfiEC7xWEI_vT8ONrVcxV8mZLR8rYQFJyrkdhS812eQNMBtajis0w3nnhtdB


but no whole map in SM.  It must be the code they used to imbed the 
applet (or whatever they are called nowadays) is new and older SM 
doesn't understand.


GW
(happy on any SM less than 2.26 due to addressing bugs)
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Re: Go does not store browsing history

[Geoff Welsh]

t...@hdlabs.com wrote:

The last 3-4 updates have lost the ability to store browsing history
and do not save the previous sites or pages.

As a result, you cannot return to where you just were.  For example,
clicking a link in an email moves to a new site.  However, no
identification from the email is stored.  As a result, you have to
log in to email again to get where you were before.

This is a serious loss of capability.  I hope it will be fixed soon.



what does no identification from the email is stored mean?

are you reading email from a web page portal, NOT from SeaMonkey mail?

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Re: Outbox in Local Folders

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

was the Outbox in/under Local Folders always there? or did I just
accidentally create it when I accidentally typed the keyboard shortcut
for send message later ? (which I figured out after several minutes of
wondering why the message I was composing disappeared.)

does everybody else have that folder?

GW on Mac


It appears only when you need it.  It will be there from now on unless
you remove it from the profile.



that's what I was thinking. Thanks

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Re: SSL 3.0 - Dump ?

[Geoff Welsh]

DoctorBill wrote:

I teach at a local Com College and access their E-Mail web site.

They said something called POODLE has appeared and tell me to disable
SSL 3.0.
...
If I disable SSL 3.0 will bad things happen to me?



the opposite.  Bad things can, apparently, happen if you do NOT disable.

see :

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/10/14/the-poodle-attack-and-the-end-of-ssl-3-0/

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: email in new tab (just like opera)

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 11/02/2014 02:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


For me, it mostly works fine (it's not my taste, but it works).
However, some folders did provoke the about:blank window as described
the first time I visited them. After I reverted to the mail tab and
reattempted, they behaved themselves.



Who wants to do that when reading mail.


Like I said, not my taste.


I suggest the OP use the mail client.


Even in the mail client, we still have to put up with your gray
background. Here's one more vote against that.



+1

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Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:


On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19:

Poldek wrote:

vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since
the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true
to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose
the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other
browsers.

I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long
and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera.
Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac
I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the
other browsers.

Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish.



I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows
3.11 :-)

It's the BEST!


I agree.  It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best
browser available.


I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are
corrected :-)



Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey


or cancel ridiculous ones?

A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows

e.g. !

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Re: Malware Protection

[Geoff Welsh]

David E. Ross wrote:


That is a difference between 2.26.1 and 2.30.  I have been using
Netscape  Mozilla Suite  SeaMonkey for about 20 years and have done
okay without the malware protection.  I can do without it for the time
it takes to fix bug #1064639.



bugs get fixed?  None of the ones I am following have been, and they 
certainly precede that one.


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Re: Malware Protection

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:


On 10/29/2014 08:47 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

The Web pagehttp://www.itisatrap.org/firefox/its-a-trap.html  provides
a test of Gecko's protection of users against phishing Web sites.


Interesting. When I open that link in Firefox34.0b4, I get a Reported
Web Forgery This web page at www.itisatrap.org has been reported as a
web forgery and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
warning.


Pretty sure it's supposed to do that, since I see:

 If you're using Firefox 30 or later, you should have been warned away 
from this page.


withOUT using modern FF or SM

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Re: Email addresses with parenthesis are not pretty-printed

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:



Geoff, the seamonkey developers group is mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey on
this server, but I'm not sure about the news:mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey
format that you give. :-)



well, in SM 2.0,14 and all the way back to the Netscape days, you could 
click on that news:__  hyperlink and SM asks if you would like to 
subscribe to that newsgroup.


Thanks for noticing that doesn't work anymore.  I wonder when that broke.

Does mailto:someb...@somethingelsebroke.com  still work?

gz,

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Re: Email addresses with parenthesis are not pretty-printed

[Geoff Welsh]

Mason83 wrote:

On 24/10/2014 12:42, Mason83 wrote:

Hello,

I posted a bug report a few weeks ago:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069790


As far as I understand, there are two accepted formats for enhanced
email addresses (providing name, along with the address itself)

1) Angle brackets: $NAME $ADDRESS
2) Parenthesis: $ADDRESS ($NAME)

Mozilla uses format 1.

In message lists, format 1 is pretty-printed (showing $NAME only,
omitting $ADDRESS) while format 2 is printed in full (no
pretty-printing)

I am 60% sure that format 2 used to be pretty-printed (showing $NAME
only).

Is it possible to pretty-print format 2?


I have tested Thunderbird (32.something) and it doesn't have a problem
with format 2. (It even seems to convert format 2 to format 1, unless
viewing the actual message source.)

Can anyone reproduce, or is this issue only affecting me?


I can now confirm that the bug was NOT PRESENT in SM 2.26 (I've just tested).
I've updated the Bugzilla entry with my new findings.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069790

Does anybody know where to look to fix the problem?

Regards.




filing the bug report is the only way I know of to get anything fixed, 
but the bugs are really piling up, and I am holding at SM 2.23 do to all 
the adressing bugs, so I cannot confirm your issue (nor do I even 
understand what it is, after trying to read the bug report.  I'm a user, 
not a programmer.)


You might want to post in the Developers newsgroup.

it /might/ be  news:mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey   but IDR for sure

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Re: Getting out of email

[Geoff Welsh]

Brooke Clarke wrote:

Hi:

Yahoo now corrupts email addresses by inserting quote marks.
When I edit them out of the to address and press send they get
reinserted causing the mail to fail.
How to remove the quote mark and have it say removed?



can you clarify the issue with an example?  Are you trying to contact 
somebody who has an @yahoo.com address using SM Mail?  Are you using 
Yahoo IMAP servers with SM Mail?   what are you doing trying to do?


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Re: too much RAM and CPU usage (SM 2.29.1 on Snow Leopard)

[Geoff Welsh]

Gabriel wrote:

There something wrong with the RAM and CPU usage by SeaMonkey! at least
on Snow Leopard.
Even when SM is hidden in background, it doesn't occupy less than 25/30%
CPU and after a few hours of working with it the RAM usage grows up to
3+ GB !!!
Comparing to Firefox which use about 5/6% CPU when in background and
never more than 1GB, it's absurd!

This is happening every time, even when I'm not doing heavy browsing (no
videos, no huge JS execution...).

G.


I don't doubt it.  I have read about so many different problems, here, 
with 2.29 (and 2.29.1) I see no reason to risk it.  I can always use 
Firefox for security-imperative web stuff.


GW
(btw, just finished installing Snow Leopard on another MBP, it's the best!)
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Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 105, Issue 89

[Geoff Welsh]

Tim Applegarth wrote:

This is my third attempt to get help with this bug issue in
Seamonkey. Who is it that actually writes these update codes in an
attempt to improve it, but sometimes just makes things worse?  They
are the ones I need to respond, please, and thank you.  I will repeat
the description of the bug issue below. {When I try to access a
secure page, which requires a user name and password, I only get a
partial page.  There is a data entry bar for the user name, but
nothing else; not even a button for executing the entry, or
continuing, or next or anything. I can't proceed any further at
all.  With no password option, I can't access my online financial
accounts.  Seamonkey is now useless to me and I will have to change
to another browser.  This means all my bookmarks will have to be
re-established in another browser; very time consuming; not to
mention some web sites will not recognize the new browser, and I will
have to wade through all kinds of procedure to get everything back.}
Tim



step 1:  Post with a better subject than Re: support-seamonkey Digest, 
Vol 105, Issue 89


step 2: Give a URL that doesn't work

step 3: tell everyone your SM version, and your computer OS/version

step 4: tell us if you have tried the page(s) with all installed SM 
extensions disabled.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

No fix for the address book bug nor for the failure to restore bookmark
backups. I guess we have to wait for 2.30.



Which address book bug (bug #?) and I don't recall seeing a mention here
or in bug form about the bookmark backup issue. Can you please provide a
pointer so we can try and make sure the fixes are in 2.30 if possible?

~Justin Wood (Callek)


I think it is this one, but it affects Mac OS as well as Windows.
Bug 1064664
What about the bug that prevents restoring the bookmark backups? That
also affects Mac OS as well as Windows. The error message with .json is
Unable to restore backup file or something like that, and the message
with .jsonlz4 is Unrecognized file type. I think this is the bug number.
Bug 1060853



Just look at the Duplicates and Blocks lists at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

and you'll see why addressing is a giant mess that keeps getting worse.

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Re: SeaMonkey, Version 2.29, Mac OSX

[Geoff Welsh]

EE wrote:

Blaine Owens wrote:

In View, Show/Hide, how do I get SeaMonkey to retain my tabs when I
reload my
yahoo homepage. I mistakenly chose the wrong option which I think was
never.
Thank you... Blaine


There is no never anywhere in the View menu, and none in the
preference settings for tabs. What do you mean exactly?



OP's question made no sense to me either, EE.

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Re: Cannot start the spell list propositions when an error is in the Subject

[Geoff Welsh]

Ray_Net wrote:

hawker wrote, On 24/09/2014 20:58:

On 9/24/2014 4:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Hello,

When i do an error in the body part of a mail (or a news-post) i see the
bad word red underlined with ~ characters.
Then i select this word and click on the Spell button - i receive a
list of correct words where i can decide which one i want to replace my
bad word.

If i do an error in the Subject part of a mail (or a news-post) i see
also the bad word red underlined with ~ characters.
BUT the Spell Button is greyed - so unusable.

Two solutions to cure the problem:
1. Permit the Spell button to work.
2. Stop underlining bad words in the Subject.


What happens if you right click over the misspelled word?
I just tried it and in subject line it still gives me a list of
choices to change it to so that should work just fine for you.
I did try your method and do see the bug, but the work around in right
click over it, which IMHO is a better way to use spell check anyway.



Thanks for this workaround.it works  but the list obtained by
the right-click is different than the list obtained by clicking on the
Spell button :-) :-)


lol

I never even saw that there /was/ a Spell button.  Been using SM since 
b4 it was SMhilarious.


I remember back when there was no spell-check at all in Subject box and 
that was fixed, long ago, it seems to me, because I have always used 
right-click method.


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Re: Images not appearing in SM2.29

[Geoff Welsh]

Live wrote:

Live wrote:

Smiles wrote:

Smiles wrote:

GerardJan wrote:

Live wrote:

Images inserted or attached to a message in
AnnexCafe newsgroup are not appearing
in SM2.29. Uninstalled it and now I'm using
SM2.28 where I see the images.
Is it a bug in 2.29?


Everything works fine for me, I run the 64bit version of SM 2.29

sincerely,


i had the same problem got a pop up asking for program to open
clicked something then i get an endless number of blank tabs opening

just recreated a new profile going back to2.26

if i use old profile going back to 2001 under a reinstall same issue happens

In 2.16.1 with a new profile here the problem is solved.


Wrong, in 2.6.1 the problem is not solved.


this Newsgroup does not allow images, so you testing here is invalid.

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Re: Wrong page till 2099??

[Geoff Welsh]

Ray_Net wrote:

Daniel wrote, On 21/09/2014 13:47:

On 21/09/14 06:48, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote, On 20/09/2014 21:25:

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote, On 19/09/2014 19:35:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mike C wrote:


Will the Wrong Page post be there until 7-15-2099?


Why would you care? Will you be here in 2099? Will you even be here
reading this newsgroup in 2019?


Mark it as read, and set the application not to load messages that
have been read.


I did not have this option, but i did not want to clear all readed
message.
My retention policy is:
Delete messages more than 20 days old
Therefore i am obliged to see it for the rest of my live !

how can i remove this post ? without removing all the messages ?


I set that up from about:config. You need to determine which mail
server numbers are being used for newsgroups and set up:

mail.server.server#.downloadUnreadOnly - set as true
mail.server.server#.keepUnreadOnly - set as true


Thanks for all suggestions, however i get rid of this post by simply
Right-Clicking on the 2099 post then choice delete ...and that
works !!!


Ray, if you knew how to get rid of this message, why are you asking
how to get rid of it??


You did not understand that i asked how to do it BEFORE i found it BY
MYSELF ?
I was asking the 19/9/2014 at 23h50.
I explained that i found the 20/9.2014 at 8h48.
and you give me consels aboit this issue ...the 20/9/2014 at 15h36
and other people the 20/9/2014 at 21h25.
I other word i ask how to get rid of this message, then i found the way
- then i say to everybody how i was able to do it - just to inform that
i don't need other consels - and also to inform everybody that he can do
the same - BUT you and other people don't care about my explanation on
how i cure it.


I will now hit K to kill this thread, too.  You might try same, Ray.
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Re: Wrong page till 2099??

[Geoff Welsh]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2014-09-20 11:34 AM, Philip Taylor wrote:

Could someone please remind me of the relevance of this topic to
Seamonkey, which our esteemed moderator reminds us from time to time is
the sole permitted topic of discussion here ?


How to hide specific posts/threads in SeaMonkey is most definitely on
topic. While the original post was off-topic, kudos to folks like EE and
Geoff Welsh for turning the focus to SeaMonkey support. :)



since I sort unthreaded, and by date, I knew the OP was talking about 
the one post from a week or two ago that would appear, as last on the 
list, forever, unless Killed (or deleted as the OP figured out).  People 
who sort other ways, including not seeing a Read post anymore, likely 
forgot all about it.


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Re: Wrong page till 2099??

[Geoff Welsh]

Mike C wrote:

Will the Wrong Page post be there until 7-15-2099?


select View, and then Ignore Thread, and it won't be there the next time 
you open the newsgroup


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Re: Message Filters not working?

[Geoff Welsh]

Frosted Flake wrote:

Seamonkey 2.29 on Windows XP.
I have a filter set up and enabled for mozilla.general that has:
 From contains GerardJan
Set to mark as read, ignore thread, and delete message.
This filter has been in effect for a long time and appears to have been
working in the past.
Today, I see a message with the From = GerardJan but the message is
still there.
If I Run the filter on mozilla.general, it does nothing.
Apply filter is set to run manually and also when getting new mail
before junk classification.
The other day, I had another message that was not filtered and I could
not get it to filter either.
I don't remember when Seamonkey did the update to 2.29.

Has something changed with message filtering with 2.29?



I saw a message filter error on my email account in SM 2.29 on my 
MacBook Pro.  and I also couldn't get the restore previous session 
browser start page to work.


Immediately switched back to SM 2.23 since the email address 
autocomplete is complete garbage on anything newer.


GW
(on his PowerBook G4)
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Re: Wrong page till 2099??

[Geoff Welsh]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Will the Wrong Page post be there until 7-15-2099?


select View, and then Ignore Thread, and it won't be there the next time
you open the newsgroup


yikes!

I meant:

 select Message, then Ignore Thread

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Re: RFE: Autocomplete lag

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

The autocomplete feature of the mail address field is very convenient,
unless the typist is slow. Since I have never cleared the Collected
Addresses list, I have thousands of entries, so if I type one character
in the mail address field, SeaMonkey immediately begins searching for
that one character. The result is what seems like a hang, until the
search completes a couple of minutes later. The same thing happens if I
backspace to correct my typing and stop with one character left.

Could we introduce a lag so that SM does not begin searching until, say,
1500 ms of inactivity? Alternatively, could we require at least two
characters before the search activates? (I think the second option would
work better, but I'm not a programmer so I don't know what's easy to code)

Thanks.



you probably know this PBG, but for the casual reader, there are about 
TEN official bugs relating to autocomplete problems, many of which are 
considered duplicates of others.


The so-called autocomplete, is actually a search function, which is the 
root of the whole problem.


the key bug is this one:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

explore idea?  really?  I guess starting to spell names from the 
beginning, is a new idea to the developers.


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Re: stop infinite scrolling?

[Geoff Welsh]

Rob wrote:

Some websites have implemented infinite scrolling.  When you scroll
down to the bottom of the page, more data is loaded and the relative
position and range of the viewport changes.

I find it irritating.  Is there any way to disable this kind of functionality
inside the browser?


yes, disable JavaScript.


There are some checkmarks to limit what javascript
can do in the browser (I presume it is a javascript function that is
doing this), but load more data is not amongst that.


JS is far too complicated for the browser to have toggle switches for 
every imaginable combination, so they just included a few basics from 
many many moons ago.


I think the NoScript extension may do a lot moreI've never tried it.

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Re: Browser - How to Hide Menu Bar without Extension

[Geoff Welsh]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/6/2014 11:25 AM, Edwar Cifuentes wrote:

Interesting. That very same reason is why many people come back to Firefox
after trying Seamonkey. It's a good feature nevertheless and it should made
easier to dissable in Seamonkey (and then brought into Firefox, just as
Menubar should be added to View-Show/Hide on Seamonkey)


Since [View  Show/Hide] is on the menu bar itself, how would you
restore the menu bar once you have hidden it?



by using the keyboard shortcut that this imaginary function would have 
assigned to it.


GW
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Re: Page Display issue help needed

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:

On 05/09/14 00:06, hawker wrote:

0805 COG


Hawker, on my Linux installation, when I go to the digikey.com site, I
cannot enter the 0805 COG into the normal Search file, it just will
not let me type anything there, but, I can enter it into the field below
the normal Search field, and then I go to the same place as you except
that I don't see the big, red, 3M.

HTH



on the digikey.com first page;

the search box wraps if you change font size up and down.  So that 
explains Hawker's experience


The result page, however, looks fine to me. (no 3M)

The number of search results,  9,579, is the same as yours though, so 
that weird 3M you see is a misplaced image or something.


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Re: [Spam] marking email

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

William wrote:


Occasionally an email I receive has the mark [Spam] added to the
subject line.  Most of them are from retailers I have dealt with, so I
don't consider them spam.  I delete them and they sit in my trash file.

I'm a bit concerned that whatever adds this (Spam Assassin, apparently,
will someday wake up and start deleting these before I have a chance to
read and delete them.

I read through preferences and found nothing about Spam Assassin, but
there were a couple of items I had marked so that this type of message
is not deleted until I do the deleting.

So how can I end this spam marking, or is it really not a problem.


Talk to your ISP, they're probably the ones adding it.

Unless of course you're running Spam Assassin locally -- in that case,
RTFM. ;-)



agreed.  It's not a SM function.
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Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/19/2014 09:31 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Patrick Turner pounded out :


I did post recently about how to set text size in SM so other browsers
like Chrome got it right. By trial and error I managed to fiddle
with sizes so this occurs. Thanks to those who commented, and
suggested I used other WYSIWYG composer programs. None worked
properly, and had bigger bothers than SM. Thanks anyway.Even Front
Page is more awkward to use than SM. AL I WANT IS SIMPLE PLEASE.

Sea Monkey always inserts images where I want them but it always
enlarges them and no amount of trying to control image size by zooming
out in compose page or browse page makes any difference. In
Firefox, images appear the same, too big.
But in Chrome, images are exactly as I meant them to be, same as I
made the images when I saved them from an image program. The relative
text size is also correct.

So it seems like SM and derivative stuff from Mozilla don't have
enough settable settings which are then recognized by SM and
derivatives. In other words, SM is like a man whose left hand doesn't
know what the right hand does  does

Also, SM or FireFox does not display text colors or background colors.

The other trouble is with line wrapping while typing text to describe
my images at my pages. I have to do it manually after going over text.
I don't want to do that, and I don't wan the text to extend right
across wide screen before it line wraps, its a 41.5cm wide screen x
25.5cm high.

Example pages of my site are at http://www.turneraudio.com.au

I tried to see if there were major differences in html source which
instructed different browsers in different ways. But it seemed to me
the view source gave me what looked like enormously complex html and
I didn't know what to add or subtract to make it work AS I DAMN WELL
WANT IT TO and not to some vague recipe thought up by some dopey
nerd@somewhere.

Trying to find help anywhere left me feeling I needed help.

Gregariously, Patrick Turner.



After reviewing this entire thread my best advice is this.

1.  Get a good tutorial/book on HTML/CSS
2.  Stop posting your issues here, it's got nothing to do with any
Mozilla product
3.  Subscribe to the following groups and be prepared for the advice

-  comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
-  comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets
-  comp.infosystems.www.authoring

The problems you are having aren't caused by SeaMonkey, they are
caused by your total lack of knowledge of HTML/CSS.  SeaMonkey's
Composer component (or other such programs) are not a panacea for
ignorance.  Nor were they meant to be.

Educate yourself and then come back if you have meaningful questions.




Any money to be made on redoing old sites in HTML5 and CSS3?

I'm having fun redoing Patrick's index page for my own education.



it's definitely a fun hobby, not a good job.
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Re: Seamonkey Mail for .eml

[Geoff Welsh]

JAS wrote:

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Geoff Welsh pounded out :

Trane Francks wrote:

So far, Ray_Net's suggestion to use Thunderbird seems to be the most
viable. Thunderbird will quite happily open/display EML files when
asked
externally. Alternatively, use SM to view the EML file in the browser
(ugly headers and all).

Cheers to you, Geoff.


oh, I see.  It opens in a browser window, not in the mail window.  It's
still quite legible and maintains formatting, at least here on my Mac
anyway.

I don't know why anyone would have a slew of .eml files on their
desktop, so I have certainly never run into this.

GW


Maybe this is a benefit of being retired?  I cannot think of the last
time I communicated with anyone running an Outlook product or anything
else that produced an .eml file.  In fact, since being online since
about 1982, I can only remember one time specifically encountering an
.eml file or Outlook email.


To clarify my original message, the .eml file in question was one
saved from a SeaMonkey mail folder, using Save As  File from the File
menu. Double-clicking the file only opened a blank browser window.


When you save an email to file try renaming it and saving it as an HTML
file and then it will open in the browser.



it should open the .eml in a browser window too.  It works on Mac with 
SM 2.26.1 and it's worked that way since forever, (I am right now using 
SM 2.0.14 on my super-awesome PPC and it works that way too).


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Re: Seamonkey Mail for .eml

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

So far, Ray_Net's suggestion to use Thunderbird seems to be the most
viable. Thunderbird will quite happily open/display EML files when asked
externally. Alternatively, use SM to view the EML file in the browser
(ugly headers and all).

Cheers to you, Geoff.


oh, I see.  It opens in a browser window, not in the mail window.  It's 
still quite legible and maintains formatting, at least here on my Mac 
anyway.


I don't know why anyone would have a slew of .eml files on their 
desktop, so I have certainly never run into this.


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Re: Seamonkey Mail for .eml

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 8/8/14 6:27 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 08/08/14 08:04, Trane Francks wrote:

On 8/8/14 6:57 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Snip


SeaMonkey knows quite well that EML is a mail file; forwarded mail as an
attachment is in EML format. It appears simply that one cannot open
files from the command line in the mail component. Although SM takes
files on the command line, setting the -mail switch does not open the
EML file, it just opens the Mail window.


Just as a test, on my *Linux* SeaMonkey Mail  Newsgroup screen, I
selected File-Open File... and pointed to an .eml file on one of my
Win7 drives and it opened in what looked sort of like a second Mail 
Newsgroups screen except it didn't have the Accounts or Threads Panes.

Is this what the OP was after??


File | Open File... opens EML files just fine. That is not what the OP
wants. He already knows about it and does that. He wants to be able to
open the EML file by double-clicking it from Windows Explorer.



.and he was already told how.

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Re: Popup Manager

[Geoff Welsh]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

When I select Allow Popups From This Website, I get sent to a blank
screen in the Data Manager.

Am I supposed to do something else to 'allow popups from that
website'? Or has it already been taken care of?



Given the lack of response, I'm guessing that being sent to Data Manager
is not normal Seamonkey behavior!

That's not what used to happen; but it's been that way for me for maybe
a year now, but I just go around to inquiring what it means.

Maybe a more useful question is: What happens to other users when they
select Allow Popups From This Website?



I don't remember seeing that in ages.

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Re: Seamonkey Mail for .eml

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 8/9/14 6:14 AM, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 8/8/14 6:27 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 08/08/14 08:04, Trane Francks wrote:

On 8/8/14 6:57 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Snip


SeaMonkey knows quite well that EML is a mail file; forwarded mail
as an
attachment is in EML format. It appears simply that one cannot open
files from the command line in the mail component. Although SM takes
files on the command line, setting the -mail switch does not open the
EML file, it just opens the Mail window.


Just as a test, on my *Linux* SeaMonkey Mail  Newsgroup screen, I
selected File-Open File... and pointed to an .eml file on one of my
Win7 drives and it opened in what looked sort of like a second Mail 
Newsgroups screen except it didn't have the Accounts or Threads Panes.

Is this what the OP was after??


File | Open File... opens EML files just fine. That is not what the OP
wants. He already knows about it and does that. He wants to be able to
open the EML file by double-clicking it from Windows Explorer.



.and he was already told how.

GW



Except for the fact that it doesn't work. ;-)

SeaMonkey cannot open EML files in the Mail component via the command
line, only in the browser (which shows all the ugliness of the mail
headers). What the OP wants to accomplish cannot be done with SeaMonkey.
When I wrote my batch file idea, I thought SM would open files in the
mail window as it does in the browser window. It does not.

It was a nice idea, but FAIL.



really?the OP said Tranes's batch file approach did work with some 
modifications.   on 8/7  (IDR how2 link by mssg-ID)


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Re: Partial Disc Backup Restoration Failure with SM v.2.22

[Geoff Welsh]

HenriK wrote:

In the process of restoring the contents of a 300 gB hard drive that
failed to a new 300 gB hard drive, SM v.2.22 only partially returned
itself to operational status. Specifically, the set-up details (but not
the mail files themselves) of my six e-mail accounts got lost and SM
wants me to set up all of the e-mail accounts from scratch.

What are the names of the actual file(s) storing this e-mail account
SET-UP information?

I have an earlier (by 3 months and presumably uncorrupted) SM backup on
a CD that should contain these e-mail account set-up files from which I
can extract the specific files at issue and paste into the partially
restored SM folders. If, in fact, these set-up files from 3 months
before the old hard drive crashed are uncorrupted, I assume that pasting
them in will hopefully correct whatever it is that is now telling me to
set up all of my e-mail accounts again.

Thanks for any and all advice.


you're not looking for set-up files you are looking to migrate your 
Profile from the other machine.  I only use Mac so I can't explain that, 
but if you look on any of the Mozilla sites there is step-by-step on how 
to migrate your profile from one machine to another.


this should help:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder


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Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.

[Geoff Welsh]

Patrick Turner wrote:

Daniel Aug 6 (12 hours ago) On 06/08/14 18:40, Patrick Turner wrote:

Snip


Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty ofbig's
and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font
size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say,
9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a
base font size of 12pt!!

Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings.

I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open
SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit-  preferences,
then nothing about appearances.


Patrick, when you click Edit, then click Preferences and new screen
should open up with several topics on the left, the top of these is
Appearance ... click the arrowhead to its left and four sub
sections will show up, the second of which is Fonts ...select it and
then you should see where you can change your font sizes.

Yes, you're right. If I opened SM in composer mode without opening
one of my pages, I could adjust text size from 16 down to 12, and
that made my pages I'd composed recently look OK, BUT, In Firefox,
text looked too small, so I had to zoom out - a bit - and this
increases size of images to being too large, and so zoom applies
itself to images when i damn well don't want it to. Still no ability
to display colors of text or background while in SM composer.

And when trying to change text colors in SM, one can select some
text, select black, and save the change and yet that text appears
blue in Chrome. So I go back and the only way to change colors of the
small part of text is by 'select  all' and change all colors to
black, then change parts of text I want in different colors.

Programs are supposed to work so only a positive outcome is possible,
and use has consistent rules. So both Firefox and SM are still
primitive.


that's completely backwards thinking.  You're not understanding that we 
have complete control, as a user of a web browser, to change how web 
pages appear, regardless of the authors intention.  eg you have 
specified Arial font dozens of times throughout the page, but if I do 
not select allow web pages to set fonts in the SM Preferences, I will 
not see Arial.


Also, using a horrendously outdated product like the discontinued 
Composer section of SM to edit a pages code is not helping matters.  If 
you try to change a color or size using incorrect or outdated 
syntax/code you cannot blame a modern browser for how it ends up.


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Re: SM 2.26 Affected My Scanner?

[Geoff Welsh]

Larry S. wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Larry S. pounded out :

Daniel wrote:

On 07/07/14 04:30, Larry S. wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/21/2014 04:58 PM, Larry S. wrote:

Some time ago my credit union started a process whereby I could
deposit
checks into my account by scanning (which was good, since I live 500
miles away).

Worked great for a year and a half (over two dozen checks). Then
along
came SM 2.26. Ever since then the scanning process fails. Here's the
procedure (a bit simplified):

--Call up the deposit s/w; it starts.
--Answer questions about the account and the check.
--Place check on scanner.
--Click on Scan front of check.

And that where it ends. Scanning never starts.

Prior to SM 2.26, scanning proceeded, then verification, then
receipt.

So, the question is what changed with SM 2.26 that could cause this?
The scanner and scanning s/w didn't change. The scanner is Canon MG
5320
and meets all the requirements for the process. Of course, it
involves
s/w so the support people say we don't work with that particular
scanner, but they did for a year and a half. (Oh, yes, the scanner
works perfectly for any other purpose.)

Sorry for the long story. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Larry S.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0)
Gecko/20100101
Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 (just updated)




Have you tried SeaMonkey in safe mode?

[Safe Mode - MozillaZine Knowledge
Base](http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_Mode)


Thank you, Walt, for the suggestion. I finally got a check to deposit,
so I could try safe mode. Unfortunately, the result is the same. When
it's time to scan, nothing happens. (For other applications, the
scanner
works just fine.)

Guess I won't solve it. Out of ideas and suggestions, in a situation
where it worked perfectly for a year and a half, then suddenly won't
any
more. Sigh...

Larry S.


Larry, have you tried downloading/installing an old version of SM (one
where you *know* it did work!!) and see if you are still able to do it
using that set-up where you knew that you could??

Have you added/removed any add-ons which might have effected things??

This might determine if it's a change in SM or a change at your bank!!


Daniel, thank you for your suggestions. No, I haven't tried to d/l an
older version of SM, partly because I try to keep up to date for
security reasons. Think I might try it.

In that regard, can I have two version of SM on my machine at the same
time? If so, I could use the older one for this single purpose and
thereby minimize security concerns.


Yes, two versions are OK.  But!

Make sure when you install you choose the Custom option and install to a
unique folder (let's say SeaMonkeyOld) in Program Files.

I'd advise using separate profiles for each.  Close SeaMonkey.  Open
Profile Manager and create a new one for the older version of SM, let's
say named OldVer.  Exit PM.

Create a shortcut for the old version.  You can right-click and drag the
shortcut from the SM Start Menu folder and drop it on the desktop.  When
asked choose Create shortcut.  Right-click the shortcut and choose
Properties.  On the Shortcut tab the Target field should be:

[drive]:\Program Files\SeaMonkeyOld\seamonkey.exe -browser -P OldVer

where [drive] is whever you installed it.

For a shortcut for Mail/News substitute -mail for -browser in the
above line.




Thanks for excellent advice, as usual. O.K., ran the old SM (version
that last successfully made an on-line deposit). Still didn't work.
Guess it wasn't SM.

That exhausts the possibilities, so I'm back to snail mail!

Thanks for all the help.



as usual...the web site is the problem
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Re: Google web fonts page is blank with SM 2.26.1

[Geoff Welsh]

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 08/03/2014 05:22 AM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross pounded out :

On 8/1/2014 2:47 AM, Gabriel wrote:

Hi,

I cannot see the content of https://www.google.com/fonts with SM
2.26.1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:29.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1
Build identifier: 20140612182257)


   [snipped]


I do see the correct page with Firefox 31 !

Gabriel


Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

I can view the page while spoofing Firefox WITHOUT any mention of
SeaMonkey.  In this case Advertise Firefox compatibility is
worthless.



If that is the case then the fault lies with the Web page coding and
faulty browser sniffing.

And, yes, confirmed, spoofing a User Agent of only Firefox the page
displays fine in SeaMonkey. .



can you guys remind me how to spoof?  There's more Useragent stuff in
About:config than there was before the whole

Advertise FF Compatibility option

was addedwhich is when I stopped doing it.


I tried changing every Useragent pref every which way, but can't get
it spoofiated (I guess)

GW


For a Site-specific spoof test, I just right-click on about:config's
Preference Name and add a new string
general.useragent.override.(site.domain, for-example google.com), and a
spoof UA string value of something like Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel
Mac OS X 10.9; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0. Just remember it's
in there, and it needs manual updating every time SeaMonkey is upgraded.
I don't use PrefBar (your Add-ons Manager page, and get Add-ons. You
may also need xSidebar), but it may be a better option if you need to
spoof a lot.


noted; thanks!

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Re: Google web fonts page is blank with SM 2.26.1

[Geoff Welsh]

Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross pounded out :

On 8/1/2014 2:47 AM, Gabriel wrote:

Hi,

I cannot see the content of https://www.google.com/fonts with SM 2.26.1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:29.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1
Build identifier: 20140612182257)


   [snipped]


I do see the correct page with Firefox 31 !

Gabriel


Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

I can view the page while spoofing Firefox WITHOUT any mention of
SeaMonkey.  In this case Advertise Firefox compatibility is worthless.



If that is the case then the fault lies with the Web page coding and
faulty browser sniffing.

And, yes, confirmed, spoofing a User Agent of only Firefox the page
displays fine in SeaMonkey. .



can you guys remind me how to spoof?  There's more Useragent stuff in 
About:config than there was before the whole


Advertise FF Compatibility option

was addedwhich is when I stopped doing it.


I tried changing every Useragent pref every which way, but can't get it 
spoofiated (I guess)


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Re: Audio Popups

[Geoff Welsh]

Zeb Carter wrote:

I keep getting audio popups - no visible boxes or ads showing on a page
related to the popup, just audio.

I would like to be able to not have them popping up. Is there a setting
I can change? I have seen them on foxnews.com and cnn.com as well as
other pages.


do you have SW Flash installed and enabled?; try turning it off.

I leave SW Flash set to Ask to Activate  under the preference page 
about:addons   Plugins


just for such media-overloaded pages.

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Re: Possible bug? Autocomplete in address bar takes a few seconds to populate, used to be near instant.

[Geoff Welsh]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

I want to say this behavior started around 2.24 but I could be wrong.
I've noticed that when typing into my address bar that it now takes
around 2-3 seconds before autocomplete populates anything. It used to
be instant. ..



Yes.  It's somehow linked to this one:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970456

but IDR how.  All the bugs about the autocomplete are officially under 
Thunderbird, and the list is extensive.


One of them is definitely

~~~ something something slow autocomplete something ~~~

but great minds DO NOT think alike when it comes to bug naming and tracking.

I think mine makes sense;

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972690

but I got linked to 970456.

Anyway there is a bug about autocomplete being slow, or stalling.  Try 
the search box on the Bug pages and maybe you can find it and join/vote.


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Re: SeaMonkey won't open .pdf files

[Geoff Welsh]

hsm...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:55:46 PM UTC-4, hsmead wrote:

SeaMonkey version 2.26.1 will not open .pdf files.



Howard Smead


Thanks for all the replies. I was using Mavericks. Just loaded the
Beta Yosemite. Same result when trying to open a .pdf, such as this
one:
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_UnderstandingLawEnforcementIntelligenceProcesses_July2014.pdf





I use the PDF browser plug-in from here

http://www.schubert-it.com/

with OSXand it works on that link

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