Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
S. Beaulieu wrote: > JAS wrote: >> I am using SM2 and have no problems with passwords, I have 11 accounts >> and all load automatically. No problems at all. Using Walnut theme and >> Win XP Pro. >> > > Maybe I tried to condense too much and my meaning was lost on the way! > I have no problem with the passwords themselves, just with the boxes > in which I type them. Since I refuse to save my passwords, I have to > type them the forst time I launch Mail every day. In the previous > versions of SM, one password window would appear, I'd type my > password, press enter and then the next window would appear. Lather, > rince, repeat. > > In 2.0, though, all the windows appear nonstop, one over another. That > means that originally, I'd see the first window appear, start typing > my password, but by the time I was done, several other windows had > also appeared, successively stealing focus. Thus, my password was > spread over several windows and by the time I pressed enter, I would > always get a wrong password message (obviously). > > So now, I simply wait until all the windows have appeared, then go > through them one by one, having to click on the next one every time > since focus doesn't get passed over. It's a very minor problem IMHO, > but it's the only one I still have. I remember seing a bug for it > since 2.0 was launched, but I can't seem to find it again. > > I'm running on Win2K SP4 (and will hopefully get my new computer > tomorrow—I'm keeping my fingers crossed!) > > S. OK- I misunderstood and see your problem. I save my passwords and don't experience your problem. I hope they get it fixed for you. Happy Thanksgiving -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
JAS wrote: I am using SM2 and have no problems with passwords, I have 11 accounts and all load automatically. No problems at all. Using Walnut theme and Win XP Pro. Maybe I tried to condense too much and my meaning was lost on the way! I have no problem with the passwords themselves, just with the boxes in which I type them. Since I refuse to save my passwords, I have to type them the forst time I launch Mail every day. In the previous versions of SM, one password window would appear, I'd type my password, press enter and then the next window would appear. Lather, rince, repeat. In 2.0, though, all the windows appear nonstop, one over another. That means that originally, I'd see the first window appear, start typing my password, but by the time I was done, several other windows had also appeared, successively stealing focus. Thus, my password was spread over several windows and by the time I pressed enter, I would always get a wrong password message (obviously). So now, I simply wait until all the windows have appeared, then go through them one by one, having to click on the next one every time since focus doesn't get passed over. It's a very minor problem IMHO, but it's the only one I still have. I remember seing a bug for it since 2.0 was launched, but I can't seem to find it again. I'm running on Win2K SP4 (and will hopefully get my new computer tomorrow—I'm keeping my fingers crossed!) S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
jim wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST), Jim in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I agree. jim One bug they have fixed on the Mac side was clicking command -S to bring up Save menu and the Command -S again actually saving the file. It had been broken since SM 1.1.2 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T."If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
S. Beaulieu wrote: > Ant wrote: >> >> I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still >> using v1.1.18. > > > I had the C&P problem, but that was solved a while ago. The only > "problem" I still have—and it's really minor—is that of the loss of > control over the various successive password boxes for my multiple > email accounts when I launch the Mail client. I have to wait until > they have all appeared to input my password, clicking on each box > separately instead of the control being treansferred automatically to > the next one. > > Nothing more on my end, so I have no idea what those "severe bugs" are > meant to be. > > S. I am using SM2 and have no problems with passwords, I have 11 accounts and all load automatically. No problems at all. Using Walnut theme and Win XP Pro. -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Ant wrote: I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still using v1.1.18. I had the C&P problem, but that was solved a while ago. The only "problem" I still have—and it's really minor—is that of the loss of control over the various successive password boxes for my multiple email accounts when I launch the Mail client. I have to wait until they have all appeared to input my password, clicking on each box separately instead of the control being treansferred automatically to the next one. Nothing more on my end, so I have no idea what those "severe bugs" are meant to be. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
On 11/25/2009 9:48 AM PT, jim typed: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I agree. I miss this conversation. What issues are there right now? I am still using v1.1.18. -- "If they are offered winged ants, people will eat them." --African /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST), Jim in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: >I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs >are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed, >I'll stick with version 1.18. I agree. jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Interviewed by CNN on 4/11/2009 21:20, Ray_Net told the world: > Leonidas Jones wrote: > > I believe that the biggest problem, is that bugs are most of the time > never solved. Or ..too late. Per exemple did you expect a good date for > the patch to solve the copy/cut problem > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525601 ??? Actually, I had a look at that bug. Jens Hatlak suggested checking another bug ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334500 ), for a nearly identical problem that plagued Firefox back in 2006... which turned out to be caused by spyware. So, there's a fair chance that it isn't a Seamonkey bug at all, but a problem caused by spyware. Try some spyware scanner; some good free ones are Ad-Aware, Spybot and Malwarebytes. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Leonidas Jones wrote: Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I really do understand your frustration. To be completely honest with you, you can certainly return to 1.1.18. But you do have to realize that you are sticking with a complete dead end. You can do that. Heck there are people out there still running the last version of the Mozilla suite, Netscape 7.2, even a few still trying to get Communicator to work. The older the abandoned product gets, the less functional it becomes. For a good while, probably quite a while, 1.1.18 will continue to work, and work quite well. But the days are numbered and the clock is ticking. I doubt that you will see any security updates for the 1.1 line. If you value the suite approach, and if you want to have a product that is going to carry you into the future with any certainty, making 2.0 work is the only real way to go. The only other real option is to go Firefox/Thunderbird. Its a good option, but I am willing to bet that you will have just as much conversion problems going that route as you will staying with SeaMonkey. I am sorry this has been so difficult for you. Lee I believe that the biggest problem, is that bugs are most of the time never solved. Or ..too late. Per exemple did you expect a good date for the patch to solve the copy/cut problem https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525601 ??? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Leonidas Jones wrote: Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I really do understand your frustration. To be completely honest with you, you can certainly return to 1.1.18. But you do have to realize that you are sticking with a complete dead end. You can do that. Heck there are people out there still running the last version of the Mozilla suite, Netscape 7.2, even a few still trying to get Communicator to work. The older the abandoned product gets, the less functional it becomes. For a good while, probably quite a while, 1.1.18 will continue to work, and work quite well. But the days are numbered and the clock is ticking. I doubt that you will see any security updates for the 1.1 line. If you value the suite approach, and if you want to have a product that is going to carry you into the future with any certainty, making 2.0 work is the only real way to go. The only other real option is to go Firefox/Thunderbird. Its a good option, but I am willing to bet that you will have just as much conversion problems going that route as you will staying with SeaMonkey. I am sorry this has been so difficult for you. Lee Lee, You are making valid points, but one or two more need to be made. Users who are not eager to experiment with .0 products are wise to stay with the product they are using today *until* the most obvious bugs are ironed out in the next release. This has always been true, and still is today. Personally, I like to keep a middle road, sticking to the previous version of a software while experimenting with a new one. Very seldom do I feel I *need* to switch to a new version. I usually wait to do the switch until, and only until, the new version does at least for me as much as the previous version. I do not move up if doing so means losing some features I find really useful and not being able to replace them by a satisfactory equivalent. In SM 2.0 case, bugs set aside, this means waiting until new add-ons are developed specifically for this version. Knowing the product will not go any further does not matter to me as long as it does the job. And since the best software always have their shares of security holes, new ones showing up as fast as old ones are plugged, I'd rather trust my combination of hardware and software firewall and a good antivirus. I believe that the SM project deserves all the help it can get from its users, and remaining on the sidelines without contributing by pointing out problems, in a non-aggressive manner, is not very productive. The other side of the coin is, developers, although they may feel unduly criticized sometimes, and I can sympathize, should make sure the merits of remarks are duly examined, in an open-minded manner. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Bush wrote: Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I will 2nd the Motion I'm not happy about Forms Manager as was in 1.1.8 being gone. I've been told you can correct mistakes by highlighting entry and then his delete. But it doesn't work. I've tried. I'll deal with it because I am not going back. But I don't like it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T."If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I will 2nd the Motion ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I really do understand your frustration. To be completely honest with you, you can certainly return to 1.1.18. But you do have to realize that you are sticking with a complete dead end. You can do that. Heck there are people out there still running the last version of the Mozilla suite, Netscape 7.2, even a few still trying to get Communicator to work. The older the abandoned product gets, the less functional it becomes. For a good while, probably quite a while, 1.1.18 will continue to work, and work quite well. But the days are numbered and the clock is ticking. I doubt that you will see any security updates for the 1.1 line. If you value the suite approach, and if you want to have a product that is going to carry you into the future with any certainty, making 2.0 work is the only real way to go. The only other real option is to go Firefox/Thunderbird. Its a good option, but I am willing to bet that you will have just as much conversion problems going that route as you will staying with SeaMonkey. I am sorry this has been so difficult for you. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. Wow, you showed them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
