Re: Is this group moderated?

[A Williams]

Daniel wrote:

A Williams wrote:


and the 24 hours was chosen deliberately.


Because ??



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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Daniel]

A Williams wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam.
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from
reality.


Well, just at the moment, Paul, you might pick me, as I'm swapping
between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours (o.k., not the
24hrs+ Mr/Mrs/Ms Williams refers to, but...) dependant on which OS I'm
using at the time and if I've remembered to adjust the clock or not!!


Lord Williams of somewhere-or-other


Ah!! I am so sorry, M'Lord. Please forgive my familiarity. ;-)

(Hmm!! I check spelling as I send the post, and the spell-checker 
queried "M'Lord" ... and the only option it offered was "Slumlord"!! ;-) )



and the 24 hours was chosen deliberately.


Because ??

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Because Windows defaults to using *localtime* for the system's 
realtime clock and Linux uses UTC. Getting Windows to use UTC is a 
bit of a pain, so it is much easier to adjust Linux.


Not much of a pain here on Windows 7. Right-click the clock at lower 
right corner of the screen, choose "Adjust date/time," click "change 
time zone," pull down "(UTC) Coordinated Universal Time" from the 
list, OK out and you're done. Very straightforward. You could go the 
long way through Control Panel if you wanted, but why bother?


BTW, in my experience Windows has usually defaulted to US Pacific 
Time out of the box (I guess 'cause that's where M$ lives), so I've 
had to change the time zone whenever I bought a new machine, but once 
it's done and daylight saving time is enabled, I never have to think 
about it again.


That just sets the display of the clock in Windows not when 
referencing the clock set in CMOS. Windows assumes motherboard has 
*localtime* not UTC so if your are not online yet the clock retrieved 
from CMOS will not show the correct timezone...


To use UTC in CMOS and show local time zone in OS in Windows uses a 
registry edit, see:


 



OK, that's a nice hack, but what does it have to do with the price of 
beans? Does it change the date/time stamps on outgoing emails? Aren't 
those read from the OS time?




I was addressing previous issue Daniel voiced:

"I'm swapping between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours"

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Because Windows defaults to using *localtime* for the system's 
realtime clock and Linux uses UTC. Getting Windows to use UTC is a 
bit of a pain, so it is much easier to adjust Linux.


Not much of a pain here on Windows 7. Right-click the clock at lower 
right corner of the screen, choose "Adjust date/time," click "change 
time zone," pull down "(UTC) Coordinated Universal Time" from the 
list, OK out and you're done. Very straightforward. You could go the 
long way through Control Panel if you wanted, but why bother?


BTW, in my experience Windows has usually defaulted to US Pacific Time 
out of the box (I guess 'cause that's where M$ lives), so I've had to 
change the time zone whenever I bought a new machine, but once it's 
done and daylight saving time is enabled, I never have to think about 
it again.


That just sets the display of the clock in Windows not when referencing 
the clock set in CMOS. Windows assumes motherboard has *localtime* not 
UTC so if your are not online yet the clock retrieved from CMOS will not 
show the correct timezone...


To use UTC in CMOS and show local time zone in OS in Windows uses a 
registry edit, see:


 


OK, that's a nice hack, but what does it have to do with the price of 
beans? Does it change the date/time stamps on outgoing emails? Aren't 
those read from the OS time?


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[A Williams]

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam.
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from
reality.


Well, just at the moment, Paul, you might pick me, as I'm swapping
between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours (o.k., not the
24hrs+ Mr/Mrs/Ms Williams refers to, but...) dependant on which OS I'm
using at the time and if I've remembered to adjust the clock or not!!



Lord Williams of somewhere-or-other
and the 24 hours was chosen deliberately.
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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Because Windows defaults to using *localtime* for the system's 
realtime clock and Linux uses UTC. Getting Windows to use UTC is a bit 
of a pain, so it is much easier to adjust Linux.


Not much of a pain here on Windows 7. Right-click the clock at lower 
right corner of the screen, choose "Adjust date/time," click "change 
time zone," pull down "(UTC) Coordinated Universal Time" from the list, 
OK out and you're done. Very straightforward. You could go the long way 
through Control Panel if you wanted, but why bother?


BTW, in my experience Windows has usually defaulted to US Pacific Time 
out of the box (I guess 'cause that's where M$ lives), so I've had to 
change the time zone whenever I bought a new machine, but one it's done 
and daylight saving time is enabled, I never have to think about it again.




That just sets the display of the clock in Windows not when referencing 
the clock set in CMOS. Windows assumes motherboard has *localtime* not 
UTC so if your are not online yet the clock retrieved from CMOS will not 
show the correct timezone...


To use UTC in CMOS and show local time zone in OS in Windows uses a 
registry edit, see:


 



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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Because Windows defaults to using *localtime* for the system's realtime 
clock and Linux uses UTC. Getting Windows to use UTC is a bit of a pain, 
so it is much easier to adjust Linux.


Not much of a pain here on Windows 7. Right-click the clock at lower 
right corner of the screen, choose "Adjust date/time," click "change 
time zone," pull down "(UTC) Coordinated Universal Time" from the list, 
OK out and you're done. Very straightforward. You could go the long way 
through Control Panel if you wanted, but why bother?


BTW, in my experience Windows has usually defaulted to US Pacific Time 
out of the box (I guess 'cause that's where M$ lives), so I've had to 
change the time zone whenever I bought a new machine, but one it's done 
and daylight saving time is enabled, I never have to think about it again.


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


A Williams wrote:


Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to
see blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than
24 hours in the future.


Why?? You could always find out the "real" posting time if you needed
it!


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam. 
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from 
reality.


Well, just at the moment, Paul, you might pick me, as I'm swapping 
between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours (o.k., not the 
24hrs+ Mr/Mrs/Ms Williams refers to, but...) dependant on which OS I'm 
using at the time and if I've remembered to adjust the clock or not!!




Because Windows defaults to using *localtime* for the system's realtime 
clock and Linux uses UTC. Getting Windows to use UTC is a bit of a pain, 
so it is much easier to adjust Linux.


edit file:
sudo nano /etc/default/rcS

change line from:
UTC=yes

To:
UTC=no

Reboot and now your clock will be the same in Windows and Linux.


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/8/2018 at 5:57 AM, Daniel created this epitome of digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


A Williams wrote:


Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to
see blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than
24 hours in the future.


Why?? You could always find out the "real" posting time if you needed
it!


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam. 
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from 
reality.


Well, just at the moment, Paul, you might pick me, as I'm swapping 
between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours (o.k., not the 
24hrs+ Mr/Mrs/Ms Williams refers to, but...) dependant on which OS I'm 
using at the time and if I've remembered to adjust the clock or not!!




Umm, Windows can automatically adjust the PC clock.  Cannot Linux do the 
same?


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Daniel]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:


A Williams wrote:


Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to
see blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than
24 hours in the future.


Why?? You could always find out the "real" posting time if you needed
it!


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam. 
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from 
reality.


Well, just at the moment, Paul, you might pick me, as I'm swapping 
between Linux and Win7. My clock varies by eleven hours (o.k., not the 
24hrs+ Mr/Mrs/Ms Williams refers to, but...) dependant on which OS I'm 
using at the time and if I've remembered to adjust the clock or not!!


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:


A Williams wrote:


Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to
see blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than
24 hours in the future.


Why?? You could always find out the "real" posting time if you needed
it!


Because such an invalid time stamp is proof that the message is spam. 
Real people don't keep their computer date and time so far off from reality.


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Daniel]

A Williams wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

rickman wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2017 2:30 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different
fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups
that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of
moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that
violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you
want to
call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable
posts to
this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I 
do?


And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail.
At most
it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it
happens to
real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


Do any spammers get the ax?  I have seen no indication of that.


Except for the ones in Italian I see zero spam or drama in this group.


Neither have I recently!! After I got the filter working correctly.

I'm guessing they only make it here because they come via Google groups
... and nobody dares upset them!!


Why would blocking a spammer upset Google?


Because Google doesn't care who posts what ... as long as they use Google!!

Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to see 
blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than 24 hours 
in the future.


Why?? You could always find out the "real" posting time if you needed it!

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[A Williams]

Daniel wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

rickman wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2017 2:30 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different
fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups
that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of
moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that
violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you
want to
call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable
posts to
this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I do?

And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail.
At most
it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it
happens to
real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


Do any spammers get the ax?  I have seen no indication of that.


Except for the ones in Italian I see zero spam or drama in this group.


Neither have I recently!! After I got the filter working correctly.

I'm guessing they only make it here because they come via Google groups
... and nobody dares upset them!!



Why would blocking a spammer upset Google?
Speaking strictly for myself, there are two categories I'd like to see 
blocked - the other one being posts where the date is more than 24 hours 
in the future.

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Daniel]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

rickman wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2017 2:30 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups 
that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of 
moderation

for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that 
violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you 
want to

call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable 
posts to

this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I do?

And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail. 
At most
it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it 
happens to

real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


Do any spammers get the ax?  I have seen no indication of that.


Except for the ones in Italian I see zero spam or drama in this group.


Neither have I recently!! After I got the filter working correctly.

I'm guessing they only make it here because they come via Google groups 
... and nobody dares upset them!!


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

rickman wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2017 2:30 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you want to
call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable posts to
this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I do?

And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail. At most
it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it happens to
real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


Do any spammers get the ax?  I have seen no indication of that.


Except for the ones in Italian I see zero spam or drama in this group.

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[rickman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2017 2:30 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you want to
call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable posts to
this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I do?

And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail. At most
it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it happens to
real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


Do any spammers get the ax?  I have seen no indication of that.

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that 
violate his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If 
you want to call that moderation, there it is.




You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable posts 
to this specific newsgroup?


I have. I didn't always agree with the assessment, but what could I do?

And it's not like he's fining me or firing me or putting me in jail. At 
most it's an annoyance when it happens to me, and a pleasure when it 
happens to real bad guys like the Italian spammer. ;-)


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[rickman]

WaltS48 wrote on 12/14/2017 11:51 AM:

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that violate
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you want to
call that moderation, there it is.



You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable posts to
this specific newsgroup?

Since this whole thread is off-topic, someone should have by now. :)


I've had a message removed from the group because


Subject: Re: Seamonkey Icons
From: Chris Ilias 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org


On 2017-06-02 1:26 PM, MozUser wrote:



Hi MozUser,
As per the policy at 
, I've removed your 
post from the server, because it contains a personal attack.


I think he addressed the salutation to MozUser because it was my quote of 
his message that contained the objectionable comment.  Something involving 
the word "twit" which in itself I don't think is a problem.  I believe three 
messages were removed, the original and two that quoted it.


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[WaltS48]

On 12/14/17 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that violate 
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you want to 
call that moderation, there it is.




You have received warnings about off-topic, or other unacceptable posts 
to this specific newsgroup?


Since this whole thread is off-topic, someone should have by now. :)

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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of
Netscape.

On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.

YMMV



Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
.  Those newgroups that are
moderated are indicated as such.  There is no indication of moderation
for mozilla.support.seamonkey.


True enough. But in practice, Chris Ilias removes messages that violate 
his criteria and issues warnings both public and private. If you want to 
call that moderation, there it is.


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[David E. Ross]

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> If so, *WHY*?
> 
> I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of 
> Netscape.
> 
> On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting 
> conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.
> 
> YMMV
> 

Mozilla newsgroups are listed at
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Re: Is this group moderated?

[Daniel]

Richard Owlett wrote:

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of 
Netscape.


On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting 
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.


YMMV


"following a different fork of Netscape." ... Wow, that's old!!

Yes, the support groups on the Mozilla news server is moderated ... 
until you establish yourself as a poster in good standing, then you are 
set to "auto-approval"!


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Re: Is this group moderated?

[David E. Ross]

On 12/13/2017 3:45 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> If so, *WHY*?
> 
> I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of 
> Netscape.
> 
> On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting 
> conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.
> 
> YMMV
> 

No, mozilla.support.seamonkey is not moderated.  The moderator for
mozilla.support.thunderbird and mozilla.support.firefox (the same
person) is often far too agressive.  A worse problem is that he is not
available 24 hours per day, 7 days per week; this means that a message
might get delayed several hours or overnight.

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Is this group moderated?

[Richard Owlett]

If so, *WHY*?

I ask because I follow a similar group following a different fork of 
Netscape.


On that group the moderator chastised a poster for suggesting 
conformance to courtesy/productivity issues.


YMMV

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