Re: Moving SM Mail Files

2020-04-10 Thread NFN Smith

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:




2.49.5 is available as a 64-bit version, it is also backwards compatible 
with 2.49.4 (apart from some issues with the Lightning Calendar add-on).
I'm not sure if that information is useful or not, I agree with the rest 
of your post ;-)



Good clarification.

I think that 2.49 versions were not officially supported in 64 bit, but 
definitely usable.  The limit on backward compatibility was something 
that Firefox introduced at around FF 55, and since 2.53 is based on FF 
56, then that's in place.


For moving from 32 to 64, I know that FRG has noted that you really want 
to make sure you uninstall anything 32 bit before installing 64 bit.


Smith

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Re: Moving SM Mail Files

2020-04-10 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son

NFN Smith wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
On a 64 bit Dell Optiplex running 64 bit Win 7 Pro, I presently have 
SM 2.49.4 installed.  I am not certain whether existing SM mail is 32 
bit or 64 bit as it has been in use for several years.


I want to change the company providing the mail service and change the 
name of the mailbox.  In the process, however, I want to keep all of 
the existing inbox and sent mail files.


Can I simply copy the old inbox and sent mail files and paste these 
two files into a new mail account I establish with the new mail provider?





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What I suggest starting with the structure of Seamonkey (current version 
and 64 bit) before you start tinkering with data, especially server 
settings. I also think you can get to what you need from Seamonkey 
without digging in files and folders within your profile, other than 
making backups.


1) Get a backup of your current profile.  In Windows use the Explorer to 
go to to %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey and copy the entire contents 
somewhere else.  That way, if there's problems, you still have all your 
data that you can restore. Make sure that Seamonkey isn't open when you 
do this.


2) Upgrade to a 64-bit install of 2.53.1 As Don Spam noted, chances are 
high that you're running a 32-bit version of Seamonkey. 64-bit hasn't 
been available as a supported version before the recent release of 
2.53.1, a few weeks ago, and the only way of updating Seamonkey is to 
download and install.


It's fine to move to a 64-bit version, but before you do that, you want 
to uninstall your existing 32-bit version, first.  Be aware also that 
once your profile has been touched by 2.53.1, you can't downgrade to a 
previous version, unless you also copy in your backups.  That's 
something that's been imposed by Firefox, that profiles are no longer 
backward-compatible.


Make sure that everything is working correctly before going further than 
this.




snip



Smith




2.49.5 is available as a 64-bit version, it is also backwards compatible 
with 2.49.4 (apart from some issues with the Lightning Calendar add-on).
I'm not sure if that information is useful or not, I agree with the rest 
of your post ;-)


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Re: Moving SM Mail Files

2020-04-09 Thread NFN Smith

Henrik37 wrote:
On a 64 bit Dell Optiplex running 64 bit Win 7 Pro, I presently have SM 
2.49.4 installed.  I am not certain whether existing SM mail is 32 bit 
or 64 bit as it has been in use for several years.


I want to change the company providing the mail service and change the 
name of the mailbox.  In the process, however, I want to keep all of the 
existing inbox and sent mail files.


Can I simply copy the old inbox and sent mail files and paste these two 
files into a new mail account I establish with the new mail provider?




Don Spam has good advice, but I can add a little bit further.

You're proposing doing more than one change, and that's not a problem, 
but you need to go carefully, and not try to do everything all at once.


What I suggest starting with the structure of Seamonkey (current version 
and 64 bit) before you start tinkering with data, especially server 
settings. I also think you can get to what you need from Seamonkey 
without digging in files and folders within your profile, other than 
making backups.


1) Get a backup of your current profile.  In Windows use the Explorer to 
go to to %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey and copy the entire contents 
somewhere else.  That way, if there's problems, you still have all your 
data that you can restore. Make sure that Seamonkey isn't open when you 
do this.


2) Upgrade to a 64-bit install of 2.53.1 As Don Spam noted, chances are 
high that you're running a 32-bit version of Seamonkey. 64-bit hasn't 
been available as a supported version before the recent release of 
2.53.1, a few weeks ago, and the only way of updating Seamonkey is to 
download and install.


It's fine to move to a 64-bit version, but before you do that, you want 
to uninstall your existing 32-bit version, first.  Be aware also that 
once your profile has been touched by 2.53.1, you can't downgrade to a 
previous version, unless you also copy in your backups.  That's 
something that's been imposed by Firefox, that profiles are no longer 
backward-compatible.


Make sure that everything is working correctly before going further than 
this.



If you're changing your mail provider, that's fine, but it's best to do 
that by adding a mailbox within your profile.  Seamonkey has plenty of 
capacity to do this -- in my own setups, I have nearly half a dozen mail 
accounts (and different providers) all in the same profile.


3) For your new provider, set up a new account -- don't try to tinker 
with any of the settings of your existing account.  Go to File -> 
Account -> New Account, and put in the credentials supplied by your new 
mail provider.  Chances are that the provider may presume that you want 
IMAP (where mail is stored on the server) -- there's reasons to do that, 
but for what you're doing, POP is fine.  Get the new connection working, 
where you can reliably send and receive mail.


4) Once you've set up the new account, you can move all the mail from 
your old account to the new account, with drag-and-drop.


There a couple of variants here:

- I could make a case for leaving all your old mail in the old account. 
Even if the provider isn't there anymore, you don't have to delete the 
account, and you can leave all the mail where it is currently (and I'm 
assuming POP).


- If you want a unified account with both new and old mail, yes, you can 
drag it all into the new account, and then delete the old account entirely.


- If you set up the new account as IMAP, then drag-and-drop will cause 
all the mail you copy to the new account to be mirrored to the server. 
The main benefit of this is that if you want more than one device (e.g., 
an extra computer or a cell phone mail client), both can get to the same 
mail, including folder layouts. However, depending on how much mail you 
have, it's possible that the new provider might have a quota for you to 
live within.  Not everybody has Gmail's nearly-unlimited capacity.


Naming of the account is something that is minor.  When you're viewing 
the folders pane, right-click on the name of the account, select 
Settings, and then you can change Account Name to whatever suits your 
preferences.


Smith


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Re: Moving SM Mail Files

2020-04-09 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son

Henrik37 wrote:
On a 64 bit Dell Optiplex running 64 bit Win 7 Pro, I presently have SM 
2.49.4 installed.  I am not certain whether existing SM mail is 32 bit 
or 64 bit as it has been in use for several years.


I want to change the company providing the mail service and change the 
name of the mailbox.  In the process, however, I want to keep all of the 
existing inbox and sent mail files.


Can I simply copy the old inbox and sent mail files and paste these two 
files into a new mail account I establish with the new mail provider?


Please put any comments in simple language as I am 82 and although I go 
back to the MS-DOS days, I have forgotten more PC-related things than I 
like to admit. Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice, comments, or 
guidance.


Firstly, you almost certainly have the 32-Bit version of Seamonkey - the 
first 64-Bit release-version for Windows was 2.49.5 and has not been 
around for more than a few months.  Not that this really matters in this 
context.  As an aside: If you want to install a newer 64-Bit version 
then you download it, uninstall the old version (backup your profile) 
and install the new version.  You can't upgrade a 32-bit version to a 
64-bit version directly, the data will be ok.


I suppose you could update your email profile to point to the new email 
provider, but if you want to change the name of the Inbox anyway then 
you simply add a new account alongside the old one.  Update the old one 
to stop communicating with the old email provider when you cease using 
it.  You might as well delete the old "Outgoing Server (SMTP)" entry 
around then.


Someone like FRG would need to say if you can actually copy the contents 
of one of those Email directories to another one, if you do then I 
believe you would be better off if you did not copy the .msf files.


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Moving SM Mail Files

2020-04-08 Thread Henrik37 via support-seamonkey
On a 64 bit Dell Optiplex running 64 bit Win 7 Pro, I presently have SM 
2.49.4 installed.  I am not certain whether existing SM mail is 32 bit 
or 64 bit as it has been in use for several years.


I want to change the company providing the mail service and change the 
name of the mailbox.  In the process, however, I want to keep all of the 
existing inbox and sent mail files.


Can I simply copy the old inbox and sent mail files and paste these two 
files into a new mail account I establish with the new mail provider?


Please put any comments in simple language as I am 82 and although I go 
back to the MS-DOS days, I have forgotten more PC-related things than I 
like to admit. Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice, comments, or 
guidance.

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