Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: On 8/19/2020 4:20 AM, Edward wrote: I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'. The information on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why '20' is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'? Maybe it is because of the older Gecko version? Don't know. I changed it to -1 and restarted. Did not notice any difference in performance. I assume the '20' reference is 200Mb. I also made another couple of changes so that it currently uses the memory for the cache, instead of the disk, to see how SM performs. -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User. Since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/19/2020 4:20 AM, Edward wrote: David H. Durgee wrote: How fast is your internet connection? If it is high speed you might find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and have only a memory cache. Disk access is much slower than memory access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow response if you have a high speed connection. I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'. The information on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why '20' is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'? Maybe it is because of the older Gecko version? -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Edward wrote: Edward wrote: Edward wrote: In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here. I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, some ads were still being blocked. The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 'ublock'), once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, some ads continue to be blocked. It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants of it still installed. I tested this against https://canyoublockit.com/ and the results indicated there is still an ad-blocker installed, so removing that add-on, did NOT remove all remnants of it. WARNING: There are two options at Cam You Block It. Please be aware that choosing their Extreme Test will display/load pop-ups that are NSFW (not suitable for work)! Their Simple Test did not display the described pop-ups. -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User, since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Edward wrote: Edward wrote: In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here. I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, some ads were still being blocked. The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 'ublock'), once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, some ads continue to be blocked. It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants of it still installed. I tested this against https://canyoublockit.com/ and the results indicated there is still an ad-blocker installed, so removing that add-on, did NOT remove all remnants of it. -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User, since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Edward wrote: In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here. I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, some ads were still being blocked. The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 'ublock'), once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, some ads continue to be blocked. It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants of it still installed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
David H. Durgee wrote: How fast is your internet connection? If it is high speed you might find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and have only a memory cache. Disk access is much slower than memory access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow response if you have a high speed connection. I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'. The information on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why '20' is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'? -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User, since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 2:18 PM, NFN Smith wrote: Ant wrote: On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote: ... UO Legacy (v1.16.4.24) here too. Yeah. :( As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least temporarily. If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than Seamonkey itself. Interesting. That diabled UO made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads. I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that uBlock may be a part of your problem. Still, it's hard to tell if that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock is merely the symptom. I wonder what is causing it. It currently shows 146,392 network filters ＋ 70,867 cosmetic filters. Here's what my settings look like from my uploaded screen shot/capture: https://screenshot.cz/KG/KGLP5/uo.gif. :) One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how frequently do you clear it? I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per month. Last one was last week. Also, how full is your hard disk? I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :) That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying. I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey. I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors. Funny, I ran GSsmartControl yesterday and it had no errors after its two short tests. I didn't try its long tests yet (take about five hours!). If it was HDD related, then I would have issues outside of SM too. -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 1:50 PM, David H. Durgee wrote: ... I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :) How fast is your internet connection? If it is high speed you might find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and have only a memory cache. Disk access is much slower than memory access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow response if you have a high speed connection. 200/20 on cable, but sometimes I have to use my iPhone 6+'s hotspot that is slow as dial-up and unstable due to rural location. Also, I like to restore tabs a lot with my inputted forms (assuming they get remembered). I'd hate to lose things like that. :( -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote: ... UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :( As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least temporarily. If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than Seamonkey itself. Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads. I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that uBlock may be a part of your problem. Still, it's hard to tell if that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock is merely the symptom. One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how frequently do you clear it? I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per month. Last one was last week. Also, how full is your hard disk? I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :) That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying. I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey. I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: > On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote: > ... >>> UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :( >> >> As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least >> temporarily. >> >> If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe >> that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than >> Seamonkey itself. > > Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but > I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads. > > >> One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how >> frequently do you clear it? On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I >> think it's not a problem to go even smaller than that. In the current >> Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is >> assumed, cache is far less important that it was in the days of >> dial-up connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go >> away with clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages. > > I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per > month. Last one was last week. > > >> Also, how full is your hard disk? If you're running at more than 75% >> capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate >> space for system usage and burst demand. If your disk is that full, >> then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser >> cache, as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports, >> emptying your trash, etc. > > > I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: > drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :) How fast is your internet connection? If it is high speed you might find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and have only a memory cache. Disk access is much slower than memory access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow response if you have a high speed connection. Dave ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote: ... UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :( As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least temporarily. If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than Seamonkey itself. Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads. One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how frequently do you clear it? On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I think it's not a problem to go even smaller than that. In the current Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is assumed, cache is far less important that it was in the days of dial-up connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go away with clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages. I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per month. Last one was last week. Also, how full is your hard disk? If you're running at more than 75% capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate space for system usage and burst demand. If your disk is that full, then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser cache, as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports, emptying your trash, etc. I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :) -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 11:58 AM, EE wrote: ... When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the swap file got fragmented. I was able to move it to the beginning of another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, and windows was more efficient after that. I used third party defraggers to move them offline (outside of Windows) in the past. -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Edward wrote: David H. Durgee wrote: Sounds like you are swapping a lot. How much memory do you have? For example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system. If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out other programs to free up memory. If your memory is maxed out and you are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware. Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they used to be. Not much else can be done about it. Dave I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap. When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the swap file got fragmented. I was able to move it to the beginning of another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, and windows was more efficient after that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote: How much RAM do you have? 6 GB of RAM. Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming from Seamonkey? Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe. To me, that combination should be OK, but has been noted elsewhere, it does indicate that there's memory swapping happening. What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing filters? Last updated: Tue Aug 18 2020 10:50:00 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time) User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3 Extensions (enabled: 6) * ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs) * DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0 * Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith) * PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/) * uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy) I'm a PrefBar fan, but I've never seen that to cause issues. Beyond uBlock Origin, I'm not familiar with the others, but none look like they should be a problem. On uBlock, how many subscriptions do you have, especially more than the default? You might want to see what happens when you temporarily disable that one. Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site. Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes). That's the way I use gmail, as well. Log in, see what I want to see, log out again. With NoScript, I'm aggressive about blocking scripts, but at an official Google site, I've found that it's necessary to not block any Google scripting hosts (including gstatic) if I want things to behave properly. The only exceptions I've found is that it's safe to block google-analytics, and if I'm not explicitly trying to get something from YouTube, it's safe to block that, as well. Now that I think of it, I know that FRG has noted that there's an increase of issues between Seamonkey and Google, especially video-related stuff, and things that Google is doing that aren't compatible. I think I've seen commentary about issues with YouTube, although I haven't had any issues there, but I don't make a lot of use of YouTube. OTOH, the one thing that I've encountered is that at Google's main search page, the cursor display in the search bar is about half a line offset. I also don't use that page regularly, and the offset of cursor and text is mostly annoyance, but I found that when I use PrefBar to show a User Agent string that's stock Firefox (and no mention of Seamonkey) that fixes the problem. Rather than using PrefBar to do temporary spoofing (and having to remember to remove spoofing when I'm done), I found that it's easier to simply tell Google that I'm running Firefox ESR, by going to about:config and setting general.useragent.override.google.com to show Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 . Although UA spoofing may not fix this particular problem, it does seem that google is happier if you don't confuse them with the presence of Seamonkey in your UA. If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting from previously-opened tabs in the browser. I've found that sometimes running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve performance a little. I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and unresponsive! Definitely painful. I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those forms that launches a script for every single field. Everything was really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful. The only reason I didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over from the beginning again. Oh, I hate those!! Yep. One of the effects of NoScript is that if I'm at a purchasing site, and I get to the end of a form, and find that there's an essential scripting host that hasn't been enabled, enabling that extra host causes the form to clear, and I have to start over. Maybe I should see what happens if I adjust NoScript to not do a form reload if permissions get changed. I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads). All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active overnight. UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :( As noted, see what happens when
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote: Ant wrote: Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently again? :( What about your computer(s)? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :) How much RAM do you have? 6 GB of RAM. Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming from Seamonkey? Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe. What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing filters? Last updated: Tue Aug 18 2020 10:50:00 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time) User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3 Extensions (enabled: 6) * ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs) * DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0 * Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith) * PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/) * uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy) Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site. Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes). It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, although I've never seen anything hammer just one core. I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that. I know that when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts. A restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem. Yes, that but I can reproduce that within minutes like on YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc. If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting from previously-opened tabs in the browser. I've found that sometimes running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve performance a little. I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and unresponsive! I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those forms that launches a script for every single field. Everything was really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful. The only reason I didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over from the beginning again. Oh, I hate those!! I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads). All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active overnight. UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :( -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
NFN Smith wrote: I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads). All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active overnight. Smith In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here. -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User, since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
On 8/18/2020 10:34 AM, David H. Durgee wrote: Ant wrote: Hello. Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently again? :( What about your computer(s)? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :) Sounds like you are swapping a lot. How much memory do you have? For example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system. 6 GB of RAM, but SM was only using 1 GB. :/ Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they used to be. Not much else can be done about it. This agree like with YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc. but Gmail wasn't like this. It looks the same? I was curious if anyone else noticed this Gmail problem too or is it just me? It only happens after I use and log off Gmail. -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, illnesses (e.g., COVID-19/2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, stresses, heat waves, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.ma.cx / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org | |o o| | Axe ANT from its address if shown & e-mailing privately. \ _ / Please kindly use :( Ant nickname & URL/link if crediting. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently again? :( What about your computer(s)? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :) How much RAM do you have? Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming from Seamonkey? What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing filters? It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, although I've never seen anything hammer just one core. I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that. I know that when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts. A restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem. If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting from previously-opened tabs in the browser. I've found that sometimes running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve performance a little. I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those forms that launches a script for every single field. Everything was really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful. The only reason I didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over from the beginning again. I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads). All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active overnight. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
David H. Durgee wrote: Sounds like you are swapping a lot. How much memory do you have? For example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system. If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out other programs to free up memory. If your memory is maxed out and you are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware. Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they used to be. Not much else can be done about it. Dave I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap. -- Netscape -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. User, since 1997. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?
Ant wrote: > Hello. > > Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's > single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond > for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big > time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently > again? :( What about your computer(s)? > > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :) Sounds like you are swapping a lot. How much memory do you have? For example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system. If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out other programs to free up memory. If your memory is maxed out and you are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware. Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they used to be. Not much else can be done about it. Dave ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
