Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[keith_w]

Benoit Renard wrote:

keith_w wrote:

You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as "up to date" as my Firefox
3.0.4?


In terms of security updates, it probably is. But NOT in terms of 
capabilities when it comes to JavaScript and web standards. SeaMonkey 
1.1.x is based on the Gecko 1.8.1 backend, while Firefox 3.0.x is based 
on the Gecko 1.9 backend.


Unless you (Benoit) change your ".x" to real numbers, it doesn't seem 
accurate.


The x stands for all possible numbers. SeaMonkey 1.1.x means SeaMonkey 
1.1.0 through 1.1.14, for instance.


For instance, SeaMonkey 1.1.13 and 1.1.14 are equivalent to FF 
2.0.whatever, but NOT to FF 3.0.x?  Hmmm.



Yes.


Okay, then I DID understand you! Thanks for the confirmation!

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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Benoit Renard]

keith_w wrote:

You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as "up to date" as my Firefox
3.0.4?


In terms of security updates, it probably is. But NOT in terms of 
capabilities when it comes to JavaScript and web standards. SeaMonkey 
1.1.x is based on the Gecko 1.8.1 backend, while Firefox 3.0.x is based 
on the Gecko 1.9 backend.


Unless you (Benoit) change your ".x" to real numbers, it doesn't seem 
accurate.


The x stands for all possible numbers. SeaMonkey 1.1.x means SeaMonkey 
1.1.0 through 1.1.14, for instance.


For instance, SeaMonkey 1.1.13 and 1.1.14 are equivalent to FF 
2.0.whatever, but NOT to FF 3.0.x?  Hmmm.


Yes.
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

keith_w wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

You might want to change Firefox/2.0 to Firefox/3.0


Let's not create side-effects by being a bad citizen and claiming to 
be using a more capable web browser than we are. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is 
equivalent to Firefox 2.0.x, so let's use that.


You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as "up to date" as my Firefox 3.0.4?

Unless you (Benoit) change your ".x" to real numbers, it doesn't seem 
accurate.
For instance, SeaMonkey 1.1.13 and 1.1.14 are equivalent to FF 
2.0.whatever, but NOT to FF 3.0.x?  Hmmm.


SM 1.1.14 seems to have created little problems here and there for some 
people, so I'm waiting a bit, reading the mail.


keith whaley


he's saying that SM 1.1.x and FF 3.x are not the same, 
but rather SM 1.1.x and FF 2.x are.  SM 2 and FF 3 will 
[or rather should] be.


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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[keith_w]

Benoit Renard wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

You might want to change Firefox/2.0 to Firefox/3.0


Let's not create side-effects by being a bad citizen and claiming to be 
using a more capable web browser than we are. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is 
equivalent to Firefox 2.0.x, so let's use that.


You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as "up to date" as my Firefox 3.0.4?

Unless you (Benoit) change your ".x" to real numbers, it doesn't seem accurate.
For instance, SeaMonkey 1.1.13 and 1.1.14 are equivalent to FF 2.0.whatever, but 
NOT to FF 3.0.x?  Hmmm.


SM 1.1.14 seems to have created little problems here and there for some people, 
so I'm waiting a bit, reading the mail.


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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Benoit Renard]

flyguy wrote:

I had previously set my general.useragent.extra.seamonkey string to

Firefox/2.0


Create general.useragent.extra.firefox and set it to Firefox/2.0
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Benoit Renard]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

You might want to change Firefox/2.0 to Firefox/3.0


Let's not create side-effects by being a bad citizen and claiming to be 
using a more capable web browser than we are. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is 
equivalent to Firefox 2.0.x, so let's use that.

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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

flyguy wrote:

Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

Another way if you don't have UA Switcher is got to about:config look 
for user agent String. Then type at the */not Firefox/2.0* at the end 
and close.


I had previously set my general.useragent.extra.seamonkey string to

Firefox/2.0

because I was having an occasional problem. What should I have in place 
of the "whatgoeshere" below:


whatgosehere/not Firefox/2.0

Eric


nothing.  To see what your user agent is, click on 
Help, About SeaMonkey and you'll see: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) 
Gecko/20081204 Firefox/2.0


You might want to change Firefox/2.0 to Firefox/3.0

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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[flyguy]

Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

Another way if you don't have UA Switcher is got to about:config look 
for user agent String. Then type at the */not Firefox/2.0* at the end 
and close.


I had previously set my general.useragent.extra.seamonkey string to

Firefox/2.0

because I was having an occasional problem. What should I have in place 
of the "whatgoeshere" below:


whatgosehere/not Firefox/2.0

Eric
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Mort]

Mort wrote:

Mort wrote:

Hi,

I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..


I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
appear using Firefox.


I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there 
is some sort of plugin that I need.


Thanks.

Morton Linder

Correction:
SeaMonkey 1.1.14.


Hi,

Thanks for the explanations and suggestions, which I do appreciate. I 
did not write down specific links, because there were so many of them, 
that it seemed to be a generic problem.


Morton
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Phillip Jones, CET]

Keith_w wrote:

Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

[...]


*Note:*
I have formerly decide to no longer to answer questions in SeaMonkey 
FireFox, and ThunderBird support groups. Because I usually am 
criticized, due to the fact I am a Mac User. However, I am making a 
one time exception this time. because the information can be used 
regardless of Platform.


Phillip,

That is what we Mac owner/users have put up with since the beginning!
It has improved, but I think we are still in the single digit as a 
percentage of total computer users, so we come out with less importance 
when it comes time to account for a segment of the industry.


Grin and bear it?
In today's world, if THAT is the only item for which one is 
discriminated against, count thy blessings, sir!


Best to ya!

keith whaley


Followup_To:mozilla.general

Keith I appreciate the kind words, I have been use to the abuse heaped upon Mac 
Users since my days of using a Mac SE/30 (1986), and the days Bulletin Boards and 
WhiteKnight/RedRyder.


But I've simple got tired of adding tips for Mac users having the same identical 
problems.


On the Netscape server each platform had their own users groups. When Mozilla 
Started newsgroups they decided to lump everyone together. So naturally The PC 
people Think they own the servers and no other people need help, because they are 
play toys.


I just tired of when I pipe up and offer information for Mac people for a Given 
people, I am told what amounts to F off the information is not needed or wanted.


So I broke my promise one time to offer information any platform can use. Its a one 
time break.


So the people can take it for what its worth. And if they want to tell me one last 
time to F off, more power to them.


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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[keith_w]

Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

[...]


*Note:*
I have formerly decide to no longer to answer questions in SeaMonkey 
FireFox, and ThunderBird support groups. Because I usually am 
criticized, due to the fact I am a Mac User. However, I am making a one 
time exception this time. because the information can be used regardless 
of Platform.


Phillip,

That is what we Mac owner/users have put up with since the beginning!
It has improved, but I think we are still in the single digit as a percentage of 
total computer users, so we come out with less importance when it comes time to 
account for a segment of the industry.


Grin and bear it?
In today's world, if THAT is the only item for which one is discriminated 
against, count thy blessings, sir!


Best to ya!

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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Phillip Jones, CET]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 01/11/09 17:44, Mort wrote:

Mort wrote:

Hi,

I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..


I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
appear using Firefox.


I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there is 
some sort of plugin that I need.


Thanks.

Morton Linder

Correction:
SeaMonkey 1.1.14.


In general, this type of problem is due to the web site developer "sniffing"
for the type of browser, and doing it incorrectly. The developer probably
thinks there is IE and Firefox, and that's it. So he looked for those two
and panics when he doesn't see them.

However, as you may know, SeaMonkey uses the same basic rendering engine
used by Firefox (as well as a number of other browsers) named Gecko. This
is what the site should actually be looking for.

You could educate the web site developer about their mistake, but that may
not help you in the short term. For now, you can trick the web site into
thinking you are using the Firefox browser by changing the User Agent string
sent by your browser. One easy way to do this is through the use of a
User Agent Switcher. You may want to use this one:

  

You then just need to add the User Agent strings for whatever version of
Firefox you wish to look like you're running. You can get the strings
from many places. Here's one:

  

The nice thing about the User Agent Switcher is it is not only easy to
change the User Agent string, but it goes back to the default when you
quit the browser.

Best Regards,


Another way if you don't have UA Switcher is got to about:config look for user agent 
String. Then type at the */not Firefox/2.0* at the end and close.


That way websites that need to properly identify SeaMonkey, can and the ones that 
the sniffer as written wrong will pick up on the word Firefox.


*Note:*
I have formerly decide to no longer to answer questions in SeaMonkey FireFox, and 
ThunderBird support groups. Because I usually am criticized, due to the fact I am a 
Mac User. However, I am making a one time exception this time. because the 
information can be used regardless of Platform.



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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Mark Hansen]

On 01/11/09 17:44, Mort wrote:
> Mort wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
>> SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
>> browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..
>> 
>> I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
>> appear using Firefox.
>> 
>> I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there is 
>> some sort of plugin that I need.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Morton Linder
> Correction:
> SeaMonkey 1.1.14.

In general, this type of problem is due to the web site developer "sniffing"
for the type of browser, and doing it incorrectly. The developer probably
thinks there is IE and Firefox, and that's it. So he looked for those two
and panics when he doesn't see them.

However, as you may know, SeaMonkey uses the same basic rendering engine
used by Firefox (as well as a number of other browsers) named Gecko. This
is what the site should actually be looking for.

You could educate the web site developer about their mistake, but that may
not help you in the short term. For now, you can trick the web site into
thinking you are using the Firefox browser by changing the User Agent string
sent by your browser. One easy way to do this is through the use of a
User Agent Switcher. You may want to use this one:

  

You then just need to add the User Agent strings for whatever version of
Firefox you wish to look like you're running. You can get the strings
from many places. Here's one:

  

The nice thing about the User Agent Switcher is it is not only easy to
change the User Agent string, but it goes back to the default when you
quit the browser.

Best Regards,
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[ST]

Mort wrote:

Mort wrote:

Hi,

I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..


I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
appear using Firefox.


I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there 
is some sort of plugin that I need.


Thanks.

Morton Linder

Correction:
SeaMonkey 1.1.14.


Hello,

Please provide the problem links?

ST
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Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Mort]

Mort wrote:

Hi,

I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..


I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
appear using Firefox.


I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there is 
some sort of plugin that I need.


Thanks.

Morton Linder

Correction:
SeaMonkey 1.1.14.
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S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

[Mort]

Hi,

I am having a problem with getting maps on several web sites, using 
SeaMonkey 1.1.4. They say the same thing, that I need an advanced 
browser to see their maps, and they suggest Firefox or I.E..


I do not use I.E., but have Firefox on board, and indeed the maps do 
appear using Firefox.


I am puzzled why they do not work with SeaMonkey, and wonder if there is 
some sort of plugin that I need.


Thanks.

Morton Linder
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