Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Le 21 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : If the getting it out of the box was to be so that people could easily get it out of the box, and make it work out of the box' then it would be installable and upgradeable, using package installation. It is. You just dislike to use some Debian repo. I asked for the software to be provided as a packge, that could be installed and upgraded using system package management, for ease of installation and upgrading, and I have been told to get stuffed . No, you've been told it's possible. You just dislike the answer. There is no point in this thread continuing in the to-ing and fro-ing. You knew from the start that Mozilla doesn't provide SM in .deb. So why ask for help if that's the only thing able to satisfy you? (Santa Claus doesn't exist, don't you know?) Indeed, there's no point in helping someone who won't be helped. Still, I wish you a merry christmas. Cheers, -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Lucas Levrel schrieb: (Santa Claus doesn't exist, don't you know?) Don't destroy my beliefs! You clearly must be wrong! ;-) Merry Christmas, Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Le 16 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : In the past, snip verbiage kafkaesque nightmare of using furballs for software. Let me repeat: I'm not suggesting that you try and make it work if it doesn't out of the box. I'm suggesting that you try and see if it does. (And drop it if it doesn't.) And again: Debian stability is at the cost of old software versions. Love it or leave it. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 16 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : In the past, snip verbiage kafkaesque nightmare of using furballs for software. Let me repeat: I'm not suggesting that you try and make it work if it doesn't out of the box. I'm suggesting that you try and see if it does. (And drop it if it doesn't.) And, as I had made it quite clear, the problem is in the getting it out of the box. If the getting it out of the box was to be so that people could easily get it out of the box, and make it work out of the box' then it would be installable and upgradeable, using package installation. If it is to be designed to discourage use, by making it difficult to get working, then , so be it. This thread is going nowhere. I asked for the software to be provided as a packge, that could be installed and upgraded using system package management, for ease of installation and upgrading, and I have been told to get stuffed . That is it - end of story. There is no point in this thread continuing in the to-ing and fro-ing. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Unfortunately this version seems unhappy with 32 bit Linux, and often crashes overnight. The previous 2.0.10 version did not crash since released. I have allowed the crash reporter to send the information, but this is the first time in ages that I've had an issue with stability. Just FYI, I presume the info of interest is in whatever it sends home, but is anyone else seeing this. SM up for 30hr or so and in the morning a crash screen. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Bret Busby wrote: It is above all a question of workforce. I understand there are few people in the SM team. There may be no-one using Debian among them. Is there no person who uses Debian, in the Seamonkey Project? Or, at Mozilla.org, in the development project areas? I for one use Debian on my laptop, but testing/unstable, and not the distribution-provided packages for Mozilla software (SM/TB/FF), but releases and nightlies from ftp.mozilla.org, all installed somewhere below my home directory so I can use the automatic update mechanism. I don't know about others. E.g. KaiRo is using OpenSuSE AFAIK. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Le 15 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : No, I do not try dealing with .tar and .tar.zip or whatever files anymore, for installing software. I have previously stated that my experience of what has been involved, is horrenous - it is like something out of a kafkaesque nightmare. Archives are only containers. That experience you have depends on the contents: sources or binaries. The cited webpage explicitly mentions Lenny as having the required dependencies. It is as pleasant as repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall, until the skull fractures, which, I understand, some people do, but, it is not for me. I'm not suggesting that you try and make it work if it doesn't out of the box. I'm suggesting that you try and see if it does. (And drop it if it doesn't.) BTW, I repeat: Debian stability is at the cost of old software versions. Love it or leave it. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 15 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : No, I do not try dealing with .tar and .tar.zip or whatever files anymore, for installing software. I have previously stated that my experience of what has been involved, is horrenous - it is like something out of a kafkaesque nightmare. Archives are only containers. That experience you have depends on the contents: sources or binaries. The cited webpage explicitly mentions Lenny as having the required dependencies. In the past, with trying to keep up to date with a Mozilla or Netscape web browser suite, by unsing the horrible .tar.zip method of instalation, I had to create a new directory in a particular path, and put the furball into that, then decompress it, and it installed it in a lower level directory, and, due to the way that it all operated, I was having to go down seven levels of directories and beyond, to do the horrible decompress process, and it just became too nasty. And, in all of that, I then had to find where the executable file was located, and work out how to get the software to run by creating bodgy menu entries or the seven plus level paths for the command line statement required to run the software. It kind of leads to an understanding as to why some people prefer to slit their wrists. This is one of the advantages of using package management - it takes care of dependencies, and, it replaces, as needed, software or software components, as they need updating, and, it generally takes care of maintaining menu entries, AND updating software, as updates become available. Using package management for installing and updating software, is much preferable to the kafkaesque nightmare of using furballs for software. It is one reason why software for creating packages, is available for software developers, and it makes Microsoft Access 2 and/or Microsoft Access97, far superior to the current Firefox and Seamonkey development - Microsoft Access 2 and/or 97, had an SDK available, which allowed a developer to create an installable, standalone database, that meant that the software could be installed, by more or less clicking install, and away it went, unlike this nightmarish system of using furballs, instead of installable packages. Unfortunately, it appears that Mozilla, in the Firefox and Seamonkey projects, has not yet advanced to the level of Microsoft Access 2 and 97, or Opera, or, other software that can run on Linux, that uses package management for software installation and maintenance. As I have previously said - it is a question of whether software is written for the benefit of users, or, for the benefit of the software developers. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Le 11 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : It is apparently included in a testing or unstable version of Debian Linux, yet to be released as stable. Can't you install some packages from the testing repository? It is a question of for whom software is written - whether it is written for It is above all a question of workforce. I understand there are few people in the SM team. There may be no-one using Debian among them. the users (in which case, amongst other things, it is provided in the different packages, for the different distributions), or, whether it is written for the developers of the software (in which case, the design (including the interface) is designed to suit the developers, and the software might be released only as binaries, to make it difficult for users to install, restricting who may use the software). I'm not sure what you call binaries... Packages precisely ship binaries. So does the tarball offered by seamonkey-project.org. So, the question is, are developers of an operating system, expected to adapt software packages that may run on their syetem, to be easily installed on their system, or, are the software developers expected to develop their software to be able to be installed with a minimum of fuss (and, thus, as packages that can be easily installed using the operating system package management), on the operating systems on which the software is said to be able to run? Neither and both... SM like many other apps is built in a standard way that allows ditribution maintainers to easily package it. OpenSUSE for example does that (packaging it). Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) I am using Debian lenny, which is the current Debian stable version. etch is now oldstable and obsolete. So did you even try to install the package offered on seamonkey-project.org? I just cited their page telling Lenny fulfills the requirements! Installing the binary, or whatever the tar/zip or whatever files is, is, from my experience, messy and difficult, and I had done that in the past, with a netscape or mozilla browser suite, and ended up having to instal, seven dfirectories down. You seem to mix binaries and sources. The tarball on seamonkey-project.org has ready-to-use software. No compiling required. It has been my experience, that, for the most part, Debian has been a more stable system than some others, and, that package installation and maintenance, when using the Debian package management, has been superior. Debian stability is at the cost of old software versions. I'd recommend, as Robert did, openSUSE, which is actively maintained, and has a reactive community (very helpful forums), recent software, and an easy-to-use and well documented administration tool. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 11 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : It is apparently included in a testing or unstable version of Debian Linux, yet to be released as stable. Can't you install some packages from the testing repository? The problem with doing that, is that it generally has issues with dependencies, thus leading to a system haveing to be made a hybrid; eg, goinf from stable to becoming a stable/testing hybrid, or, as happened when my wife otiginally was looking at mono, a testing/unstable hybrid. Mixing versions, to create a hybrid system, to meet dependency requirements, caused by usinga package from a less stable version, creates its own problems. It is a question of for whom software is written - whether it is written for It is above all a question of workforce. I understand there are few people in the SM team. There may be no-one using Debian among them. Is there no person who uses Debian, in the Seamonkey Project? Or, at Mozilla.org, in the development project areas? the users (in which case, amongst other things, it is provided in the different packages, for the different distributions), or, whether it is written for the developers of the software (in which case, the design (including the interface) is designed to suit the developers, and the software might be released only as binaries, to make it difficult for users to install, restricting who may use the software). I'm not sure what you call binaries... Packages precisely ship binaries. So does the tarball offered by seamonkey-project.org. The .tar.zip or the .tar or whatever files Simply download these files then decompress them, using the required procedure... So, the question is, are developers of an operating system, expected to adapt software packages that may run on their syetem, to be easily installed on their system, or, are the software developers expected to develop their software to be able to be installed with a minimum of fuss (and, thus, as packages that can be easily installed using the operating system package management), on the operating systems on which the software is said to be able to run? Neither and both... SM like many other apps is built in a standard way that allows ditribution maintainers to easily package it. OpenSUSE for example does that (packaging it). Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) I am using Debian lenny, which is the current Debian stable version. etch is now oldstable and obsolete. So did you even try to install the package offered on seamonkey-project.org? I just cited their page telling Lenny fulfills the requirements! No, I do not try dealing with .tar and .tar.zip or whatever files anymore, for installing software. I have previously stated that my experience of what has been involved, is horrenous - it is like something out of a kafkaesque nightmare. It is as pleasant as repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall, until the skull fractures, which, I understand, some people do, but, it is not for me. Installing the binary, or whatever the tar/zip or whatever files is, is, from my experience, messy and difficult, and I had done that in the past, with a netscape or mozilla browser suite, and ended up having to instal, seven dfirectories down. You seem to mix binaries and sources. The tarball on seamonkey-project.org has ready-to-use software. No compiling required. Whatever is the nature of the file that is to be downloaded, it is one of those .tar.zip things, which, to me, is to be avoided at all costs. It has been my experience, that, for the most part, Debian has been a more stable system than some others, and, that package installation and maintenance, when using the Debian package management, has been superior. Debian stability is at the cost of old software versions. I'd recommend, as Robert did, openSUSE, which is actively maintained, and has a reactive community (very helpful forums), recent software, and an easy-to-use and well documented administration tool. I have similarly tried Ubuntu, that has been similarly portrayed, and the experience was not good. -- LL -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:11:59 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote: Pure FUD! ? I guess WLS was answering to: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:56:22 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/: I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. Please use a standard signature delimiter line of -- , that is two dashes followed by a space, in order to have your over-lengthy signature stripped automatically on reply. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:11:59 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote: Pure FUD! ? I guess WLS was answering to: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:56:22 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/: I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. Please use a standard signature delimiter line of -- , that is two dashes followed by a space, in order to have your over-lengthy signature stripped automatically on reply. Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces like, um, Outlook Express ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29 Regarding his allegation that Microsoft owns SUSE ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions says that it is a Novell product... so maybe there is the FUD! :-) Yes, Mr Busby's sig block exceeds the recommended max of four lines. -- -bts -whose newsreader also recognizes -- g ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:30:57 -0600, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces like, um, Outlook Express ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29 Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for some years now. I don't have references handy to backup these statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using Outlook Express number of times. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces like, um, Outlook Express ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29 Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for some years now. I don't have references handy to backup these statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using Outlook Express number of times. Perhaps it depends upon the individual users' settings. Did you have the OE-QuoteFix installed? (supposed to cure the problem) I don't have an OE to test, as I stopped using Windows over five years ago. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Bret Busby schrieb: I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. That's not just Bullshit, it's also some badly informed FUD-spreading. In fact, openSUSE is not even owned by Novell-now-subsidiary-of-Attachmate, it's completely a community distro, even though it's heavily sponsored by them. And Attachmate, who now owns Novell (who acquired the commercial SUSE branch and founded the openSUSE community) is not owned by Microsoft in any way I know of. It's just that a Microsoft-affiliated company acquired some patents from Novell when the latter was acquired by Attachm,ate. Please inform yourself before talking trash. As for the rest of the message, I have already addressed those issues, in a previous posting just sent by me to the list. As did I in the message you don't think you reasonably want to reply to. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for some years now. I don't have references handy to backup these statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using Outlook Express number of times. Perhaps it depends upon the individual users' settings. Did you have the OE-QuoteFix installed? (supposed to cure the problem) I don't have an OE to test, as I stopped using Windows over five years ago. I think it doesn't depend on user's settings. During my tests I didn't have OE-QuoteFix installed, although I had used it many years ago for a short period I had primarily used Outlook Express for Mail and News. I've found: OE signature separator in news messages not RFC compliant - Fixed http://www.insideoe.com/problems/bugs.htm#sigseparator The cumulative update which fixes the problem appears dated 10/30/2002. It goes on to say that Windows XP SP1 is required for that update (leaves out Windows 2000/Windows 98 users), and that it was not an automatic update. This is not a critical update and so will probably not appear on Windows Update. -- which might indicate that many never got it. The trailing space problem was not only about the sig-sep, but about the entire body as well, as I recall. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:39:19 -0600, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/: The trailing space problem was not only about the sig-sep, but about the entire body as well, as I recall. Mozilla Mail has always stripped trailing spaces (excluding the standard sig' delimiter). This is more or less required when sending format=flowed (the default), but is also true when sending format=flowed is disabled. Don't know how bad this is. Here's a relevant Bugzilla entry: paste unwrapped/preformatted to plain-text mail https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475712 -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: !!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
vij wrote: This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder !!! Have you set View-Messages to All and View-Threads to All? Does that show your mail?? If not, try Tools-Switch Profiles. Does this show more profiles than you'd expect?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Bret Busby wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:13:19 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update Bret Busby schrieb: Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Ask Debian/ubuntu or whoever you are using it from for help, or use our official .tar.bz2 packages, or use a decent distro that does packages for our software (like openSUSE). We are not doing any distro-specific packaging, that's the job or distros after all. Robert Kaiser I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. As for the rest of the message, I have already addressed those issues, in a previous posting just sent by me to the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Pure FUD! -- SeaMonkey 2.1b2pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Hi, Bret Busby a tapoté, le 10/12/2010 07:24: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1) ) which is about 43 months old. Etch is old, the stable version of debian is Lenny since 2009. -- Stéphane http://pasdenom.info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote: Pure FUD! ? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
Lance Courtland wrote: The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 I do *always*: - re-boot and don't start SM. - uninstall SM. - re-boot. - install the news SM version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
Ray_Net wrote: Lance Courtland wrote: The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 I do *always*: - re-boot and don't start SM. - uninstall SM. - re-boot. - install the news SM version. Rebooting the computer fixed the install, although I have never had to do that before. Lance ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Le 10 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Neither as rpm, etc. It's up to the distro maintainers to do that, so you should ask to a Debian forum. Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) (BTW, why choose Debian if you want a cutting edge and easy to manage distribution?) -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
Bret Busby schrieb: Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Ask Debian/ubuntu or whoever you are using it from for help, or use our official .tar.bz2 packages, or use a decent distro that does packages for our software (like openSUSE). We are not doing any distro-specific packaging, that's the job or distros after all. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - and no prompting
On 12/9/2010 12:30 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. I was completely surprised that this update installed itself without prompting me. The Help instructions say it will prompt, but it didn't; Help also lists many options that are not listed in my Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation list, specifically the When updates to SeaMonkey are found and Show Update History sections. How do I get Seamonkey to check for updates and notify me they are available, but not install them without my permission? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - and no prompting
flyguy wrote: How do I get Seamonkey to check for updates and notify me they are available, but not install them without my permission? You need to change a pref (in about:config; for SM 2.1 alternatively in Preferences): http://kb.mozillazine.org/App.update.auto HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - and no prompting
On 12/10/2010 8:57 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: flyguy wrote: How do I get Seamonkey to check for updates and notify me they are available, but not install them without my permission? You need to change a pref (in about:config; for SM 2.1 alternatively in Preferences): http://kb.mozillazine.org/App.update.auto OK, I've changed the preference using about:config. Do you know why this behavior can't be set in Preferences, and why Help lists options that aren't in the Preferences? As it is, using the Preferences seems to result in two behaviors: 1) automatic update, no questions asked, just does it 2) no update, no notification of updates (I missed several updates until I realized that was happening) And it's been like this, I believe, ever since I got SM 2. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
!!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder !!! Robert Kaiser a écrit : As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
!!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder !!! Robert Kaiser a écrit : As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - and no prompting
flyguy wrote: You need to change a pref (in about:config; for SM 2.1 alternatively in Preferences): http://kb.mozillazine.org/App.update.auto OK, I've changed the preference using about:config. Do you know why this behavior can't be set in Preferences, Because that UI part has been implemented past SM 2.0. It will be in Preferences in SM 2.1, as I wrote. and why Help lists options that aren't in the Preferences? Because Help is text, and text needs to be written, and only so many (~4) people do that--in addition to contributing code or translations, in their free time, after many hours working on their day jobs. As it is, using the Preferences seems to result in two behaviors: 1) automatic update, no questions asked, just does it 2) no update, no notification of updates (I missed several updates until I realized that was happening) For SM 2.0 Preferences, yes. And it's been like this, I believe, ever since I got SM 2. SM 2.0 only receives security updates, that's why (the only exceptions are very safe/simple fixes and Help changes that do not introduce new source files, but for the latter, see above). New features are generally excluded (exceptions prove the rule, of course). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
On 12/10/2010 12:26 AM PT, Lance Courtland typed: The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 I do *always*: - re-boot and don't start SM. - uninstall SM. - re-boot. - install the news SM version. Rebooting the computer fixed the install, although I have never had to do that before. That happened once to me with a previous version updater. :/ -- Many ants kill a camel. --Turkish /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: !!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
vij a écrit : This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder Hum... no. Are you sure you haven't modified a setting without realizing it? There is one that hides all mail older than X days, for example. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: !!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
vij wrote: This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder !!! This was not my experience; all mail messages and folders are intact. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: !!! DANGER !!!! Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
vij wrote: This version just remove all mail marked as read in the inbox folder !!! Not here. Upgraded three separate machines today, none of them showed this behavior. -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 10 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Neither as rpm, etc. It's up to the distro maintainers to do that, so you should ask to a Debian forum. Been there, done that. It is apparently included in a testing or unstable version of Debian Linux, yet to be released as stable. Not available at present, and no Debian person appears inclined to do it, for Debian 5. Some software is available as .deb packages, set up by the software developers of the particular software. Opera is one (and, only one) example, of many applications that are released in the different packages, for installation using the system package management, for the different Linux distributions. It is a question of for whom software is written - whether it is written for the users (in which case, amongst other things, it is provided in the different packages, for the different distributions), or, whether it is written for the developers of the software (in which case, the design (including the interface) is designed to suit the developers, and the software might be released only as binaries, to make it difficult for users to install, restricting who may use the software). So, the question is, are developers of an operating system, expected to adapt software packages that may run on their syetem, to be easily installed on their system, or, are the software developers expected to develop their software to be able to be installed with a minimum of fuss (and, thus, as packages that can be easily installed using the operating system package management), on the operating systems on which the software is said to be able to run? I expect that software developers who want to increase the usage of their particular software, would act to make their software as easy to instal and run, on the particular operating systems for which they profess the software to be usable and compatible, so as to encourage more propsective users, to instal and use the software. It is a bit like some software houses, that provide software that only runs on MS Windows, such as Legacy genealogy software, Quicken accounting software, etc - they have previously advised that they have no intention of porting their software to Linux, and, by so doing, disenfranchise Linux users (unless the particular Linux users are willing and capable, to mess around with MS Windows emulation, if the particular software applications are compatible with Linux based MS Windows emulators). Thus, it includes the issue of the degree to which the software development projects want to increase usage of their product. If they want to increase usage of the product, then they act to make it as easy to instal and use, on as many operating systems, as possible. If not, they simply develop the policy we have developed this product for our benefit - take it or leave it, as it is - we are not interested in making it more usable, or more user-friendly - we are not that bothered, as long as it suits us, which is the apparent known history of Microsoft. And, it is not limited to Microsoft - many web sites exist, that are designed to work only with Internet Explorer, and, many computer peripheral devices, whether they be webcms, printers, or whatever, are designed to work fully with MS Windows, and, not at all, or, with limited funtionality, with Linux. Some companies do well with their hardware devices, Like Samsung, with its printers and multifunction devices, that run well with Linux, using the Samsung Unified Linux Driver, and, others simply treat Linux users with contempt. Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) I am using Debian lenny, which is the current Debian stable version. etch is now oldstable and obsolete. I use the version of Iceape for etch which is, I believe, Debian 4, as that is the latest version of Iceape or a Seamonkey version, that is available to run on mys system, and, as previously mentioned, that version of Iceape is about 4 years old. Installing the binary, or whatever the tar/zip or whatever files is, is, from my experience, messy and difficult, and I had done that in the past, with a netscape or mozilla browser suite, and ended up having to instal, seven dfirectories down. The process is best described as a Kafkaesque nightmare, and, it is probably easier to make friends with a cthulu, or the creature that Gandalf was fighting, when he fell off the bridge. (BTW, why choose Debian if you want a cutting edge and easy to manage distribution?) It has been my experience, that, for the most part, Debian has been a more stable system than some others, and,
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:13:19 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update Bret Busby schrieb: Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Ask Debian/ubuntu or whoever you are using it from for help, or use our official .tar.bz2 packages, or use a decent distro that does packages for our software (like openSUSE). We are not doing any distro-specific packaging, that's the job or distros after all. Robert Kaiser I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. As for the rest of the message, I have already addressed those issues, in a previous posting just sent by me to the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 Lance Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
On 12/9/2010 6:32 PM, Lance Courtland wrote: The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 Try a computer restart, sounds like your system is locking the .exe on you [perhaps a virus scan would do that] -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update - Install fail
Lance Courtland wrote: The 2.0.11 update won't install. Going to Help/check for updates downloads the update. Restarting SM, gives this error: The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. I know there are no other copies of SM running. WFM -- update was uneventful. Windows XP Pro Updating from SM 2.0.10 Me, too. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:30:29 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Followup-To: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. (because of which, I am stuck with Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1) ) which is about 43 months old. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
