Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. Oops, sorry list : somehow I forgot to delete the list address. No, Philip, I asked the question on the NG/List, so the reply should have been to the NG/list. Today, I received an e-mail from ChrisI in reply to my post above:- quote That doesn't matter. If his response doesn't belong in the newsgroup, or if he simply wants to take the discussion to email, he should be able to take it to email. If you don't want people replying to you privately, you could not publish your email address, or note somewhere that you don't want people emailing you replies. But there may be cases where replies should be private, but cannot be because there's no way to contact the person privately. For instance http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/cancellation.html. I appreciate you wanting to keep things public, but I think it needs to be made clear why. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: if you simply deleted his address from the reply field (rather than editing it to deobfuscate it), it would be less work for you and nicer to him (or anyone else). Already incorporated into my standard working practice for this list. It takes a chap a little while to get up to speed, don't you know ? :-) ** Phil. Hey, Philip, is there a particular reason why you use the mail list?? Is it just that you were unaware that you could get all these posts any other way?? If it's just because you don't know how, askthere are any number of people here that could advise you how to get to the newsgroup directly. Then you could pick and choose which posts you read, rather than getting each and every one delivered to your mail box. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Hey, Philip, is there a particular reason why you use the mail list?? Is it just that you were unaware that you could get all these posts any other way?? If it's just because you don't know how, askthere are any number of people here that could advise you how to get to the newsgroup directly. Then you could pick and choose which posts you read, rather than getting each and every one delivered to your mail box. Well, I just feel more comfortable using e-mail. It is an everyday part of my life, there is always an e-mail client running on my PC, and I typically send or receive several messages per hour. I also subscribe to a number of online fora. I just don't feel either the need or the inclination to start using yet more media (Usenet news, Twitter, Facebook, etc.). I know that (for example), in the TeX world, many people use Comp.Text.TeX; for them, that is fine; for myself, I prefer the TeXhax mailing list. It's really just a question of horses for courses, and this particular horse just feels more at home using the media that he has used for the last 25 years (or more). ** Phil. [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. Oops, sorry list : somehow I forgot to delete the list address. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: [Sent off-list to keep the list noise level down]. Oops, sorry list : somehow I forgot to delete the list address. No, Philip, I asked the question on the NG/List, so the reply should have been to the NG/list. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: if you simply deleted his address from the reply field (rather than editing it to deobfuscate it), it would be less work for you and nicer to him (or anyone else). Already incorporated into my standard working practice for this list. It takes a chap a little while to get up to speed, don't you know ? :-) Hey, Philip, is there a particular reason why you use the mail list?? Is it just that you were unaware that you could get all these posts any other way?? If it's just because you don't know how, askthere are any number of people here that could advise you how to get to the newsgroup directly. Then you could pick and choose which posts you read, rather than getting each and every one delivered to your mail box. Just out of ornery curiosity, why is it so many folks who regularly (and preferentially?) attend the newsgroup version of this list get so bent out of shape over those of us who, for whatever reason, prefer and use the mail method of message delivery for the very same list? I just read that there is some sort of reciprocity between the mail and newsgroups anyhow, so that posting to one gets to the other ANYhow, so...what's the big deal? keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11-07-28 1:30 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: Just out of ornery curiosity, why is it so many folks who regularly (and preferentially?) attend the newsgroup version of this list get so bent out of shape over those of us who, for whatever reason, prefer and use the mail method of message delivery for the very same list? Please, let's not turn this into a mailing list vs newsgroup debate, unless it is helpful to SeaMonkey users. After all, helping SeaMonkey users is why this forum exists, and that's what we should be focusing on. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. ... I believe NoOp was asking if you were Philip Taylor (one L), whom you are not. As you can see from Philip's message headers, he is accessing the newsgroup via the mailing list feature and not via the NNTP feature as you and I do. You need not protest as he was not addressing you. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I consider it common courtesy not to decode and publish the real email address when your recipient has purposely munged it to foil the spambots. You may well be right. Equally I consider it a common courtesy not to use a fraudulent From: field that causes me to get an error message whenever I use Reply/all without first do-obfuscating said From: field. It was experiencing the latter that led to the former, although it was never a conscious intention to reveal to the list the de-obfuscated addresses. If I were writing to you privately (as I have done, so you know), I would not munge my email, and I would use a friendlier sig. Best practices in public fora are somewhat different, for reasons well known to you. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: If I were writing to you privately (as I have done, so you know), I would not munge my email, and I would use a friendlier sig. Best practices in public fora are somewhat different, for reasons well known to you. I did eventually realise why so many From: fields were deliberately obfuscated, but despite having been a regular user of the Internet and mailing lists since the time of the Arpanet, BITnet and EARN, it was the first time I had encountered a list on which it appeared to be almost universal practice to obfuscate one's address. It therefore took me a little while to realise what was going on, during which period I undoubtedly inadvertently disclosed a number of de-obfuscated addresses to the list, including yours. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Snip Correct ! Having discovered (by virtue of numerous bounce messages) that the majority of subscribers to this list have spurious elements in their From: fields, I now routinely remove these spurii as a matter of course. Philip Taylor So having discovered that you had a problem posting direct to the newsgroup (why you and no-one else, ever??), you deliberately decided to annoy us individually as well!! As you typed, if you didn't remove the .nospam from my address, you would receive a bounce, rather than bugging me, Paul,!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Daniel wrote: Philip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! True. So is Daniel's well-made point. If the message is pertinent to and addressed to the group, it makes little sense to address it to all. If you address your response to Daniel as WELL as the entire group, it looks like you're making a point - to the list membership - of Daniel's getting HIS own copy...for whatever reason. Your response will contain Daniel's name at the top of your return message as a contributor, but now he gets TWO messages, and as he says, not only did he get double what everyone else gets, but it negatively affects his email allowance. He's merely asking for a little consideration. Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That makes very little sense. If I'm reading messages in a Special Interest LIST, any response should GO to the list. But not THIS list. One's normal intention when choosing Reply is to add your personal comment to the subject matter on the LIST, not only the last person entering his opinion ~ but that's how this list has been set up. JMMHO, keith whaley Keith, you make a good point where you say Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. is very valid.a couple of times I have had people email me direct with a response to my newsgroup reply, but they may have been falling victim to the *list*'s problem of replying to individuals rather then the group/list. When this occured, I usually posted the other persons message to me into the thread, and then, if needed replied in the thread. That's what I was expecting here with Phillip's post, but in checking I saw that he had posted to both the NG *AND* to me. Annoying!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 02:42 PM, S. Beaulieu wrote: NoOp a écrit : Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Well, that would explain it! Thanks for the info. S. I've found it helpful to set up a message filter so that I know when someone is using the mail list rather than nntp: Delivered-to|Contains: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Tag Message: Work (that tag turns the Subject yellow so that I can differentiate from the standard black Subject - you can use a different tag/color of course) Of course, NoOp, that would require you looking at the Subject each time. How many times have people here complained about the poster not posting a problem, only to find, later, that the problem had been in the subject?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: more than I feel comfortable citing So what is your point, Keith ? 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) 2) The list is inappropriately configured 3) Seamonkey is not correctly following RFC-822 4) Daniel is unreasonable in his expectations Me?? Unreasonable?? Never!! 5) Something else ? Philip Taylor -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). Here's the screeenshot, where I included an arrow to point at the tiny arrow. http://www.sereenie.com/images/screenshot.jpg OK, you appear to display toolbars as graphics; I display them as text, and see no arrows (there is presumably no textual equivalent to an arrow). NNTP v. IMAP : understood. Philip Taylor Phillip, I have my toolbars set for text only, just like you, however I've done (or had done) the auto-upgrade to SM 2.2, so I've got:- Reply dropdown Reply to Sender only Reply to Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to All dropdown Reply to Sender and Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to all Recipients I reply to the Newsgroup direct. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Philip, I have my toolbars set for text only, just like you, however I've done (or had done) the auto-upgrade to SM 2.2, so I've got:- Reply dropdown Reply to Sender only Reply to Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to All dropdown Reply to Sender and Newsgroup (in bold) Reply to all Recipients I reply to the Newsgroup direct. I think that we are still talking at cross-purposes : what you see as a Newsgroup (and access using NNTP), I see as a mailing list and access using IMAP. The toolbars presented by Seamonkey in IMAP mode and in NNTP mode are not the same, nor could they reasonably be expected to be. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: That's what I was expecting here with Philip's post, but in checking I saw that he had posted to both the NG *AND* to me. Annoying!! No, I had posted to the mailing list (see immediately preceding message) and to the original sender after de-obfuscating his/her address. Any annoyance was purely unintentional. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: So having discovered that you had a problem posting direct to the newsgroup (why you and no-one else, ever??), you deliberately decided to annoy us individually as well!! No, I have no problem posting direct to the mailing list (see two immediately preceding messages for why I am consistently replacing your reference to a newsgroup with my own to a mailing list). As you typed, if you didn't remove the .nospam from my address, you would receive a bounce, rather than bugging me, Paul,!! Yes, I did receive a bounce; several, in fact. So, realising that my messages were not getting through to the original sender, because he/she had obfuscated his/her address, I did the gentlemanly thing and manually removed the obfuscation, so that he/she would receive my intended reply. My intentions were good; it is a matter of regret that my actions resulted in annoyance, which was never intended. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Daniel wrote: So having discovered that you had a problem posting direct to the newsgroup (why you and no-one else, ever??), you deliberately decided to annoy us individually as well!! No, I have no problem posting direct to the mailing list (see two immediately preceding messages for why I am consistently replacing your reference to a newsgroup with my own to a mailing list). As you typed, if you didn't remove the .nospam from my address, you would receive a bounce, rather than bugging me, Paul,!! Yes, I did receive a bounce; several, in fact. So, realising that my messages were not getting through to the original sender, because he/she had obfuscated his/her address, I did the gentlemanly thing and manually removed the obfuscation, so that he/she would receive my intended reply. My intentions were good; it is a matter of regret that my actions resulted in annoyance, which was never intended. ** Phil. You do know that all posts to the mailing lists also show up in the newsgroups? At least that is the way I understand it. I could be wrong and am often WLS (Webmaster Wannabe) -- Using SeaMonkey 2.4a2 on openSUSE 11.3 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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WLS wrote: You do know that all posts to the mailing lists also show up in the newsgroups? Yes, I am slowly learning how this setup works :-) At least that is the way I understand it. I could be wrong and am often WLS (Webmaster Wannabe) Aim higher : I was far far happier as a computer typesetter using TeX than I ever was as a practising webmaster. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : Already incorporated into my standard working practice for this list. It takes a chap a little while to get up to speed, don't you know ? :-) Well, better late than never! S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 02:01 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Thunderbird has a [Reply to list] button; I'm not sure why it's not in SeaMonkey. Because no-one ported it. This one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654009 [Reply to list: automatically determine From: address [SeaMonkey Part]] Mostly, yes, though its scope is currently limited to a subset of the original TB bug. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. ... I believe NoOp was asking if you were Philip Taylor (one L), whom you are not. As you can see from Philip's message headers, he is accessing the newsgroup via the mailing list feature and not via the NNTP feature as you and I do. You need not protest as he was not addressing you. Thanks but he asked who is Phillip and there is more than one. Just getting my end straight. :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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PhillipJones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. ... I believe NoOp was asking if you were Philip Taylor (one L), whom you are not. As you can see from Philip's message headers, he is accessing the newsgroup via the mailing list feature and not via the NNTP feature as you and I do. You need not protest as he was not addressing you. Thanks but he asked who is Phillip and there is more than one. Just getting my end straight. :-) Uh, no, if you were a computer you would know that Philip is not the same as Phillip. ;-) He didn't ask if you were Phillip. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Daniel wrote: So having discovered that you had a problem posting direct to the newsgroup (why you and no-one else, ever??), you deliberately decided to annoy us individually as well!! No, I have no problem posting direct to the mailing list (see two immediately preceding messages for why I am consistently replacing your reference to a newsgroup with my own to a mailing list). As you typed, if you didn't remove the .nospam from my address, you would receive a bounce, rather than bugging me, Paul,!! Yes, I did receive a bounce; several, in fact. So, realising that my messages were not getting through to the original sender, because he/she had obfuscated his/her address, I did the gentlemanly thing and manually removed the obfuscation, so that he/she would receive my intended reply. My intentions were good; it is a matter of regret that my actions resulted in annoyance, which was never intended. Alright, already, we'll be getting a visit from the SPCA soon! (for beating a dead horse) -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/27/2011 10:54 AM, PhillipJones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. ... I believe NoOp was asking if you were Philip Taylor (one L), whom you are not. As you can see from Philip's message headers, he is accessing the newsgroup via the mailing list feature and not via the NNTP feature as you and I do. You need not protest as he was not addressing you. Thanks but he asked who is Phillip and there is more than one. Just getting my end straight. :-) Nonsense, care to quote the message number where I asked that? _Your_ name is Phillip. Philip (as in Philip Taylor) is using the mail list rather than nntp - clear? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip, I was going to ask you why do you go to the trouble to reformatting in an external editor when you could just Re-wrap in SM mail, but I've had a look on the drop down me nus and that function is not available in SM 2.2 (Linux at least) for newsgroup posts (logical) or for email. Well, two reasons. 1) I like semantic line breaks, so I prefer to adjust the line breaks manually having first auto-wrapped to 64 chars or so. 2) In my version of Seamonkey (V2.2, Win/XP;SP3), the functionality is allegedly there (i.e., there is an entry in the drop-down), but it does nothing. (as you can see from your own text, inserted above, which has been selected and told to re-wrap, with no perceivable effect). I wonder why this function was dropped?? Not dropped here, simply dysfunctional. ** Phil. Phillip, did you upgrade from a prior version of SeaMonkey or did you download and install SeaMonkey 2.2 complete?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Philip, did you upgrade from a prior version of SeaMonkey or did you download and install SeaMonkey 2.2 complete?? Well, both. Seamonkey told me V2.2 was available, and would I like to download/install it; then something nasty happened at the end of the download, and it didn't auto-install; so then I ran Check for updates, it found 2.2, told me it was already downloaded and ready to install, then (I think) installed it, or I may have done this last part manually -- no longer sure. Anyhow, I have been a Seamonkey user ever since it was Netscape (via Mozilla Suite), so all of my installations have been in the nature of upgrades. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Daniel wrote: Philip, did you upgrade from a prior version of SeaMonkey or did you download and install SeaMonkey 2.2 complete?? Well, both. Seamonkey told me V2.2 was available, and would I like to download/install it; then something nasty happened at the end of the download, and it didn't auto-install; so then I ran Check for updates, it found 2.2, told me it was already downloaded and ready to install, then (I think) installed it, or I may have done this last part manually -- no longer sure. Anyhow, I have been a Seamonkey user ever since it was Netscape (via Mozilla Suite), so all of my installations have been in the nature of upgrades. Philip Taylor O.K., for Netscape and Mozilla Suite there was no upgrading, it was a case of downloading the entire program and installing it. This might explain why you have yours working right, where as I, who did a (couple of hundred kilobyte) upgrade and don't have the program working right. Don't have Chatzilla available to me, either! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Daniel wrote: Philip, did you upgrade from a prior version of SeaMonkey or did you download and install SeaMonkey 2.2 complete?? Well, both. Seamonkey told me V2.2 was available, and would I like to download/install it; then something nasty happened at the end of the download, and it didn't auto-install; so then I ran Check for updates, it found 2.2, told me it was already downloaded and ready to install, then (I think) installed it, or I may have done this last part manually -- no longer sure. Anyhow, I have been a Seamonkey user ever since it was Netscape (via Mozilla Suite), so all of my installations have been in the nature of upgrades. Philip Taylor Phillip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Daniel wrote: Philip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Weird. If I do an ordinary reply to Daniel (CTRL-R or click the button), I get only the newsgroup. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote : Weird. If I do an ordinary reply to Daniel (CTRL-R or click the button), I get only the newsgroup. Well, here are the (relevant) headers from Paul's message, as displayed by Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client in IMAP mode : From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ? In-Reply-To: mailman.3922.1311687151.4544.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Errors-To: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org Sender: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org So, in the absence of an explicit Reply-to:, I believe that Seamonkey is correct in sending replies to : Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au and replies/all to Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Daniel wrote: Philip, why did you reply to the newsgroup *AND* to me via email? There is no need and only wastes my available email allowance!! True. So is Daniel's well-made point. If the message is pertinent to and addressed to the group, it makes little sense to address it to all. If you address your response to Daniel as WELL as the entire group, it looks like you're making a point - to the list membership - of Daniel's getting HIS own copy...for whatever reason. Your response will contain Daniel's name at the top of your return message as a contributor, but now he gets TWO messages, and as he says, not only did he get double what everyone else gets, but it negatively affects his email allowance. He's merely asking for a little consideration. Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That makes very little sense. If I'm reading messages in a Special Interest LIST, any response should GO to the list. But not THIS list. One's normal intention when choosing Reply is to add your personal comment to the subject matter on the LIST, not only the last person entering his opinion ~ but that's how this list has been set up. JMMHO, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley wrote: more than I feel comfortable citing So what is your point, Keith ? 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) 2) The list is inappropriately configured 3) Seamonkey is not correctly following RFC-822 4) Daniel is unreasonable in his expectations 5) Something else ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: more than I feel comfortable citing So what is your point, Keith ? Fair enough, Phillip. See below, please. I am assuming you meant thes line items as questions, not statements? I ask, because you had NO punctuation following the last word in each sentence. I've constructed my reply as tho' you meant these to be questions. 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) Perhaps. In that there is virtually no need to send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address, as WELL as the list. Not only that but it works a hardship on him. If there's no rational reason to send him a personal email as well, why do so? Just because it's habit to hit Reply All? I think the reason you and others do this is because there's no choice of Reply To List. IMMHO that should be the default. In place of Reply sending an email to the poster of that message. When I put my mouse cursor over Reply it specifically says Reply to the message. If it actually _did_ that, that would be ideal, but it doesn't. It replies to the last poster, PERSONALLY. That's not what it says it was meant to do. That is simply wrong, IMO. 2) The list is inappropriately configured I've said that for some time now. This list is not alone in being inappropriately configured with respect to sending an answer to a message. I figured out a long time ago how to circumvent that niggling little problem, but the fact that it's inconvenient and illogically constructed is still true. 3) Seamonkey is not correctly following RFC-822 I'm aware of RFC-822, but am not enough familiar with the specific areas to quote section and paragraph. I realize none of this is malicious, or even terribly important in the overall scheme of things, but to ignore a user's angst over his ratcheting email costs is kinda cold, don'tcha think? 4) Daniel is unreasonable in his expectations No, in my opinion he isn't. 5) Something else ? Nossir, not at all. No hidden or unrevealed message. If number one had been properly addressed, there would be no need for all this palaver in the first place! Philip Taylor Best to one and all. keith whaley said with a calm smile ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley wrote: Fair enough, Philip. See below, please. I am assuming you meant these line items as questions, not statements? I ask, because you had NO punctuation following the last word in each sentence. I've constructed my reply as tho' you meant these to be questions. Yes, that was intentional. Itemised lists don't normally require trailing punctuation to make their meaning clear, and I felt that by presenting what I perceived as the five possible options as an itemised list, my meaning would be clear. 1) I am using e-mail inappropriately (in this context) Perhaps. In that there is virtually no need to send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address, as WELL as the list. Not only that but it works a hardship on him. If there's no rational reason to send him a personal email as well, why do so? Just because it's habit to hit Reply All? Ah, but I /don't/ send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address; I use Reply/all, and that generates a To and a CC, the To: being Daniel and the CC: being the list. So I agree that a separate e-mail is being sent to Daniel, but that is not my intent; my intent is to reply to the list, and the only option that Seamonkey offers me with this particular configuration of the list-server is Reply/all. As you have yourself noted, Reply is inadequate, in that it replies to Daniel and not to the list. You might want to argue that having used Reply/all, it is then incumbent on me to remove Daniel's mailbox from the To: field -- I agree that I could do this, but it seems excessively onerous. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote : Weird. If I do an ordinary reply to Daniel (CTRL-R or click the button), I get only the newsgroup. Well, here are the (relevant) headers from Paul's message, as displayed by Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client in IMAP mode : From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ? In-Reply-To: mailman.3922.1311687151.4544.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Errors-To: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org Sender: support-seamonkey-bounces+p.taylor=rhul.ac...@lists.mozilla.org So, in the absence of an explicit Reply-to:, I believe that Seamonkey is correct in sending replies to : Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au and replies/all to Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). You may be right about what it /should/ do; I won't quibble over the legalities. But my SM 2.0.14 behaves as I described, notwithstanding the RFC. If v. 2.2 behaves differently, that's a change. Further, assuming that the private address shown here has been munged to defeat spammers, we must infer from the fact that a reply reached him that human intervention was involved (to remove .nospam). -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Keith Whaley a écrit : When I put my mouse cursor over Reply it specifically says Reply to the message. If it actually _did_ that, that would be ideal, but it doesn't. As I said in my previous message, it does here. I've never, ever had it reply to the poster personally. The only way I can do that is by clicking on the tiny arrow that shows on the Reply button and then choose the option to reply to the sender only. The button itself replies to the group, as it should. You must have changed something on your end if that's not the behaviour you see. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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S. Beaulieu wrote: As I said in my previous message, it does here. I've never, ever had it reply to the poster personally. The only way I can do that is by clicking on the tiny arrow that shows on the Reply button and then choose the option to reply to the sender only. The button itself replies to the group, as it should. It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). You must have changed something on your end if that's not the behaviour you see. I don't think that's a valid deduction -- you can quite reasonably assert Something must be different, but not you must have changed something. So let's start by enumerating what we have and what we see. Here : Seamonkey 2.2 Windows XP/PRO;SP3 Server: IMAP Headers : already sent. Behaviour : Reply : reply-to-one-sender Reply All : reply-to-one-sender, cc-list. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: You may be right about what it /should/ do; I won't quibble over the legalities. But my SM 2.0.14 behaves as I described, notwithstanding the RFC. If v. 2.2 behaves differently, that's a change. OK, trying now with Seamonkey 2.0.11 in a Virtual PC -- Reply = Reply-to-one-sender Reply All = Reply-to-one-sender, cc-to-list. So identical behaviour here between 2.0.11 2.2 See immediately preceding message asking those who experience something different to provide more details of their installation and of the headers they see. Further, assuming that the private address shown here has been munged to defeat spammers, we must infer from the fact that a reply reached him that human intervention was involved (to remove .nospam). Correct ! Having discovered (by virtue of numerous bounce messages) that the majority of subscribers to this list have spurious elements in their From: fields, I now routinely remove these spurii as a matter of course. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11-07-26 11:16 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I used reply/all; if I don't, it goes only to you. ** Phil. Weird. If I do an ordinary reply to Daniel (CTRL-R or click the button), I get only the newsgroup. He's posting via the mailing list, not the newsgroup. See https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey. Messages from the newsgroup are sent to his email address, and when he replies via sending a message to the list address, that message is posted to the newsgroup. The list administration configuration has the option of adding the list address to the Reply-To header of each message, but that makes it hard for people to reply to each other privately. Thunderbird has a [Reply to list] button; I'm not sure why it's not in SeaMonkey. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). Here's the screeenshot, where I included an arrow to point at the tiny arrow. http://www.sereenie.com/images/screenshot.jpg SM2.0.14 (still waiting for the automatic update!) on WinXP SP3. And since this is a newsgroup, I'm using an NNTP server. Behaviour: Reply: Replies only to the newsgroup Reply all: Replies to the NG and the sender Reply to sender: Replies only to the sender S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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S. Beaulieu wrote: It would help if you could post a screenshot shewing this mysterious arrow; I see none here (Seamonkey 2.2 under Win/XP PRO;SP3). Here's the screeenshot, where I included an arrow to point at the tiny arrow. http://www.sereenie.com/images/screenshot.jpg OK, you appear to display toolbars as graphics; I display them as text, and see no arrows (there is presumably no textual equivalent to an arrow). NNTP v. IMAP : understood. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : OK, you appear to display toolbars as graphics; I display them as text, and see no arrows (there is presumably no textual equivalent to an arrow). Can you try switching to text+graphics or just graphics to see if the behaviour changes? S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. See this http://www.screencast.com/t/Ed4zTltF3zEr It grayed out here because its in this newsgroup Email and some newsgroups they are active. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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PhillipJones a écrit : See this http://www.screencast.com/t/Ed4zTltF3zEr It grayed out here because its in this newsgroup Email and some newsgroups they are active. It's basically the same thing I see. Is it possible you sort of double-click on the tiny arrow (that looks like an inverted triangle) by mistake rather than clicking on the button itself? The menu doesn't show for me if I don't click on the arrow. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: Thunderbird has a [Reply to list] button; I'm not sure why it's not in SeaMonkey. Because no-one ported it. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp a écrit : Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Well, that would explain it! Thanks for the info. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/26/2011 02:42 PM, S. Beaulieu wrote: NoOp a écrit : Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Well, that would explain it! Thanks for the info. S. I've found it helpful to set up a message filter so that I know when someone is using the mail list rather than nntp: Delivered-to|Contains: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Tag Message: Work (that tag turns the Subject yellow so that I can differentiate from the standard black Subject - you can use a different tag/color of course) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/26/2011 02:01 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Thunderbird has a [Reply to list] button; I'm not sure why it's not in SeaMonkey. Because no-one ported it. Greetings, Jens This one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654009 [Reply to list: automatically determine From: address [SeaMonkey Part]] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/26/2011 08:29 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: ... according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). See: RFC-2369 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt [The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields] Thunderbird resolved this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 [Reply to List [button/(context) menu item] but it took quite some time to do. Related SM bug is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654009 [Reply to list: automatically determine From: address [SeaMonkey Part]] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Ah, but I /don't/ send a separate email to Daniel's specific email address; I use Reply/all, and that generates a To and a CC, the To: being Daniel and the CC: being the list. So I agree that a separate e-mail is being sent to Daniel, but that is not my intent; my intent is to reply to the list, and the only option that Seamonkey offers me with this particular configuration of the list-server is Reply/all. As you have yourself noted, Reply is inadequate, in that it replies to Daniel and not to the list. You might want to argue that having used Reply/all, it is then incumbent on me to remove Daniel's mailbox from the To: field -- I agree that I could do this, but it seems excessively onerous. I consider it common courtesy not to decode and publish the real email address when your recipient has purposely munged it to foil the spambots. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. Years ago when I was using Netscape Navigator I had to sign up to be allowed to even post to list But have always used NNTP Connection. I had to be invited and give my email address and name but once invited. I subscribe to Netscape the Communicator Mac, the Mozilla , then SeaMonkey, FireFox, and Thunderbird. I've since unsubscribed from Thunderbird and for rare post I really only read FF. But not once have I ever received a Post from and email list from Mozilla/Netscape. even after I signed up. My email address is the one I have been using for years, when I first Started it didn't have the 1 in it. I've never made any attempt hide my email address or my name. my name is the one I was born with. The CET designation stands for Certified Electronics Technician. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I consider it common courtesy not to decode and publish the real email address when your recipient has purposely munged it to foil the spambots. You may well be right. Equally I consider it a common courtesy not to use a fraudulent From: field that causes me to get an error message whenever I use Reply/all without first do-obfuscating said From: field. It was experiencing the latter that led to the former, although it was never a conscious intention to reveal to the list the de-obfuscated addresses. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 08:29 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: ... according to my understanding of RFC-822 (which is probably long superseded, but almost certainly the last RFC that I actually understood). See: RFC-2369 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt [The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields] Thunderbird resolved this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 [Reply to List [button/(context) menu item] but it took quite some time to do. Related SM bug is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654009 [Reply to list: automatically determine From: address [SeaMonkey Part]] Interesting, but I am less than clear as to what happens when the requirements of RFC-822 and this more recent RFC come into conflict. In the case under discussion, I believe that Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client is behaving correctly in sending REPLYies to the mailbox specified in the From: field and REPLYies/ALL to the same, CC-ing the mailbox specified in the To: field at the same time. If Seamonkey were to be modified to follow the Thunderbird paradigm, then would I be right in thinking that REPLY would continue to honour RFC-822 whilst REPLY/LIST would implement RFC-2369 ? If that is the case, then rather than my eye/brain/finger system having to decide on a case-by-base basis whether REPLY or REPLY/LIST were the preferred option, it would be better if there were a user- configurable option to auto-detect messages containing RFC-2369-style metadata and adjust the behaviour of REPLY accordingly. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Just attempted to reply to a friend's e-mail having first reformatted the original text in an external editor to have line breaks at or before column-72 (he is one of those annoying people who insist on sending infinitely long lines), only to find that right-click Paste as quotation has disappeared. It is still possible from the Edit menu, but I am so used to accessing it from a right-click that I feel distinctly lost without it. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Daniel wrote: Phillip, I was going to ask you why do you go to the trouble to reformatting in an external editor when you could just Re-wrap in SM mail, but I've had a look on the drop down me nus and that function is not available in SM 2.2 (Linux at least) for newsgroup posts (logical) or for email. Well, two reasons. 1) I like semantic line breaks, so I prefer to adjust the line breaks manually having first auto-wrapped to 64 chars or so. 2) In my version of Seamonkey (V2.2, Win/XP;SP3), the functionality is allegedly there (i.e., there is an entry in the drop-down), but it does nothing. (as you can see from your own text, inserted above, which has been selected and told to re-wrap, with no perceivable effect). I wonder why this function was dropped?? Not dropped here, simply dysfunctional. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Just attempted to reply to a friend's e-mail having first reformatted the original text in an external editor to have line breaks at or before column-72 (he is one of those annoying people who insist on sending infinitely long lines), only to find that right-click Paste as quotation has disappeared. It is still possible from the Edit menu, but I am so used to accessing it from a right-click that I feel distinctly lost without it. Philip Taylor Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. I did have to select Edit, Rewrap. So I guess it depends on what you're using as your external editor? -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? I did have to select Edit, Rewrap. So I guess it depends on what you're using as your external editor? I don't see how it can be. Surely all that is necessary is to have something on the clipboard ? If I am offered paste, then that confirms that there is something on the clipboard, so what reason might there be that I was not also offered paste as quotation ? Note : in the current e-mail dialogue, right-click/paste- as quotation has re-appeared. Very odd indeed. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? Sorry, the answer to that is clear from your original message; not sure how I failed to spot it on the first pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? I did have to select Edit, Rewrap. So I guess it depends on what you're using as your external editor? I don't see how it can be. Surely all that is necessary is to have something on the clipboard ? If I am offered paste, then that confirms that there is something on the clipboard, so what reason might there be that I was not also offered paste as quotation ? Note : in the current e-mail dialogue, right-click/paste- as quotation has re-appeared. Very odd indeed. Philip Taylor Strange that it disappeared. I'll try using a different text editor: This was copied from WordPad and then right mouse click, Edit paste as quotation. I'll go qo a little longer so Wordpad and wrap the line. It did not wrap the lines. I had to use Edit, Rewrap. So, I'm not sure what the problem is. As you say, it's only pasting what is in the clipboard, which shouldn't hold any formatting. Back to Notepad and I'll do the line lengths to see if that makes a difference. That's the only thing you were doing different, wrapping your lines. Maybe somebody else will come along with a solution. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: JD wrote: Here is my paste as quotation: I tried what you said, by copying something from notepad with no line length and this is how it looks using a right mouse click and selecting paste as quotation. A question : Where did you find Paste as quotation : was it from Right-click at intended point of insertion, or from Edit/Paste as quotation ? I did have to select Edit, Rewrap. So I guess it depends on what you're using as your external editor? I don't see how it can be. Surely all that is necessary is to have something on the clipboard ? If I am offered paste, then that confirms that there is something on the clipboard, so what reason might there be that I was not also offered paste as quotation ? Note : in the current e-mail dialogue, right-click/paste- as quotation has re-appeared. Very odd indeed. Philip Taylor Hey! SM is just beginning to become self aware and is, albeit clumsily, exploring its capabilities, like a baby babbling. Surely you don't want the coder developers to curtail these developments, and force machine like repeatable behaviour. :-) -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
