Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Can someone explain how to change the useragent setting? Do you need PrefBar to do this? Are you familiar with about:config ? Go there, search for: useragent and find general.useragent.extra.seamonkey Right-click on it, choose Modify, and add the text NOT Firefox 3.6.8 at the end of the string. No, you don't need the PrefBar for that, but there are many other nice features of that extension -- including the UA spoofing. You can even add more UA strings if you wish. From Customize, select Useragent then click the Edit button in the middle of the two panels. Add/edit at will. Does this change affect anything else? No. Test your efforts here if you like: http://tekrider.net/general/tektest.php Is this how the line should look, with a space after the 9? SeaMonkey/1.1.19 NOT Firefox 3.6.8 Yes, that looks good. You could add a slash between the word Firefox and the version number (which I should have included above). NOT Firefox/3.6.8 I changed it to that, but the Hotmail page still doesn't work. Try clearing cookies for hotmail. Maybe they implant something in a cookie about your browser. I've tried it with my 1.1.17 and it works. My wife uses SeaMonkey and has a hotmail account. Also, what should show up on the tekrider page? Mine says this: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090605 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 NOT Firefox/3.6.8 (Ubuntu-1.1.17+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) The code on my page just reads the UA string, same as all those other web sites do, trying to determine your browser. Obviously, it will vary depending on versions and operating system, but will be very similar. Thanks - that worked! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [SeaMonkey/Hotmail/UA string:] Thanks - that worked! Hey hey, glad you got it sorted. Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to contact Microsoft and convince them to update the Hotmail website with proper coding practices! [This post will self-destruct in five seconds.] :-) -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ant wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed: [attributes were stripped] Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. I have the same problem. :( Have you tried either of the solutions I mentioned yesterday? Yes for Prefbar, but we shouldn't be changing our User Agent. Oh, I agree with that. g However, if you want your hotmail mail, you may have to take some 'extraordinary' steps. After all, it is Microsoft (the Home of Internet Explorer) you're dealing with. I posted our issue in http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=3a053e16-fcfe-4396-a2b4-04bd3db0585f Ok, let's see what kind of responses you get. I also saw a couple of other people's posts and support replied that SeaMonkey is unsupported which is bad: [delete dupe link of above] http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=abc463ef-70c4-4cf5-bd8c-ea76b2268e96 Not much help there. However, the current version of Firefox DOES support the new Hotmail. That's a misplaced statement; it should read the current version of Hotmail refuses Firefox older than 3.0. and refuses SeaMonkey, and refuses every browser except a select few... you get the picture. All it would take would be for a Microsoftie to add a few more strings to the sniffer JavaScript. Should take five minutes .. *if* you could find a responsible person in Redmond. It's like you calling up your ISP asking for email config help with SeaMonkey or Thunderbird or Eudora or ... you get the stock answer we only support Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail. But naturally, any email client will work .. they just don't have scripts for them. We need to fight them to support SM v2! ..or support no specific browser; use 'em all! Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Can someone explain how to change the useragent setting? Do you need PrefBar to do this? Does this change affect anything else? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Can someone explain how to change the useragent setting? Do you need PrefBar to do this? Are you familiar with about:config ? Go there, search for: useragent and find general.useragent.extra.seamonkey Right-click on it, choose Modify, and add the text NOT Firefox 3.6.8 at the end of the string. No, you don't need the PrefBar for that, but there are many other nice features of that extension -- including the UA spoofing. You can even add more UA strings if you wish. From Customize, select Useragent then click the Edit button in the middle of the two panels. Add/edit at will. Does this change affect anything else? No. Test your efforts here if you like: http://tekrider.net/general/tektest.php -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
On 8/16/2010 9:56 AM PT, Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed: I posted our issue in http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=3a053e16-fcfe-4396-a2b4-04bd3db0585f Ok, let's see what kind of responses you get. Nothing so far as I expected. :( I also saw a couple of other people's posts and support replied that SeaMonkey is unsupported which is bad: [delete dupe link of above] http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=abc463ef-70c4-4cf5-bd8c-ea76b2268e96 Not much help there. However, the current version of Firefox DOES support the new Hotmail. That's a misplaced statement; it should read the current version of Hotmail refuses Firefox older than 3.0. and refuses SeaMonkey, and refuses every browser except a select few... you get the picture. All it would take would be for a Microsoftie to add a few more strings to the sniffer JavaScript. Should take five minutes .. *if* you could find a responsible person in Redmond. No kidding. I see this all the time with a lot of Web sites. I have to refer them to http://www.rossde.com/internet/Webdevelopers.html#sniff that David E. Ross shared on 6/27/2010 in this newsgroup. I actually sent one to ranker.com's web team since they said they didn't support SeaMonkey v2. It's like you calling up your ISP asking for email config help with SeaMonkey or Thunderbird or Eudora or ... you get the stock answer we only support Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail. But naturally, any email client will work .. they just don't have scripts for them. We need to fight them to support SM v2! ..or support no specific browser; use 'em all! Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Haha. Clever. -- An anthill increases by accumulation. / Medicine is consumed by distribution. / That which is feared lessens by association. / This is the thing to understand. --Siddha Nagarjuna /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Can someone explain how to change the useragent setting? Do you need PrefBar to do this? Are you familiar with about:config ? Go there, search for: useragent and find general.useragent.extra.seamonkey Right-click on it, choose Modify, and add the text NOT Firefox 3.6.8 at the end of the string. No, you don't need the PrefBar for that, but there are many other nice features of that extension -- including the UA spoofing. You can even add more UA strings if you wish. From Customize, select Useragent then click the Edit button in the middle of the two panels. Add/edit at will. Does this change affect anything else? No. Test your efforts here if you like: http://tekrider.net/general/tektest.php Is this how the line should look, with a space after the 9? SeaMonkey/1.1.19 NOT Firefox 3.6.8 I changed it to that, but the Hotmail page still doesn't work. Also, what should show up on the tekrider page? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. Can someone explain how to change the useragent setting? Do you need PrefBar to do this? Are you familiar with about:config ? Go there, search for: useragent and find general.useragent.extra.seamonkey Right-click on it, choose Modify, and add the text NOT Firefox 3.6.8 at the end of the string. No, you don't need the PrefBar for that, but there are many other nice features of that extension -- including the UA spoofing. You can even add more UA strings if you wish. From Customize, select Useragent then click the Edit button in the middle of the two panels. Add/edit at will. Does this change affect anything else? No. Test your efforts here if you like: http://tekrider.net/general/tektest.php Is this how the line should look, with a space after the 9? SeaMonkey/1.1.19 NOT Firefox 3.6.8 Yes, that looks good. You could add a slash between the word Firefox and the version number (which I should have included above). NOT Firefox/3.6.8 I changed it to that, but the Hotmail page still doesn't work. Try clearing cookies for hotmail. Maybe they implant something in a cookie about your browser. I've tried it with my 1.1.17 and it works. My wife uses SeaMonkey and has a hotmail account. Also, what should show up on the tekrider page? Mine says this: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090605 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 NOT Firefox/3.6.8 (Ubuntu-1.1.17+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) The code on my page just reads the UA string, same as all those other web sites do, trying to determine your browser. Obviously, it will vary depending on versions and operating system, but will be very similar. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. Mark ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Tom Pamin wrote: Does PrefBar work with SM 1.1.19? Yes. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
On 8/16/2010 2:21 AM PT, M van Ketel typed: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. I have the same problem. :( -- When an ant gets wings, it loses its head. --Bosnian Proverb /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Ant wrote: On 8/16/2010 2:21 AM PT, M van Ketel typed: Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. I have the same problem. :( Have you tried either of the solutions I mentioned yesterday? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
On 8/16/2010 6:28 AM PT, Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed: Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. I have the same problem. :( Have you tried either of the solutions I mentioned yesterday? Yes for Prefbar, but we shouldn't be changing our User Agent. I posted our issue in http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=3a053e16-fcfe-4396-a2b4-04bd3db0585f I also saw a couple of other people's posts and support replied that SeaMonkey is unsupported which is bad: http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=3a053e16-fcfe-4396-a2b4-04bd3db0585f http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=abc463ef-70c4-4cf5-bd8c-ea76b2268e96 We need to fight them to support SM v2! -- Not all ants use violence to dominate their world, some use more subtle methods... --E.O. Wilson on NOVA /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz a écrit : Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? Why don't you configure your Hotmail account in SeaMonkey Mail rather than going through the online interface? S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Ant wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed: [attributes were stripped] Yes, with the recent hotmail/live update they sniff wrongly, and redirect the seamonkey user to their mobile site :( They should sniff for functionality and not for browser-names. I have the same problem. :( Have you tried either of the solutions I mentioned yesterday? Yes for Prefbar, but we shouldn't be changing our User Agent. Oh, I agree with that. g However, if you want your hotmail mail, you may have to take some 'extraordinary' steps. After all, it is Microsoft (the Home of Internet Explorer) you're dealing with. I posted our issue in http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=3a053e16-fcfe-4396-a2b4-04bd3db0585f Ok, let's see what kind of responses you get. I also saw a couple of other people's posts and support replied that SeaMonkey is unsupported which is bad: [delete dupe link of above] http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=abc463ef-70c4-4cf5-bd8c-ea76b2268e96 Not much help there. However, the current version of Firefox DOES support the new Hotmail. That's a misplaced statement; it should read the current version of Hotmail refuses Firefox older than 3.0. and refuses SeaMonkey, and refuses every browser except a select few... you get the picture. All it would take would be for a Microsoftie to add a few more strings to the sniffer JavaScript. Should take five minutes .. *if* you could find a responsible person in Redmond. It's like you calling up your ISP asking for email config help with SeaMonkey or Thunderbird or Eudora or ... you get the stock answer we only support Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail. But naturally, any email client will work .. they just don't have scripts for them. We need to fight them to support SM v2! ..or support no specific browser; use 'em all! Try adding the string NOT Firefox 3.6.8 to your useragent setting. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Trouble with hotmail page
When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? http://picasaweb.google.com/FMurtz9/Hotmail?authkey=Gv1sRgCISJpJL83KDIdAfeat=directlink I have this same problem. I posted it a couple weeks ago and no one responded. Just another Microsoft change for the worse. I don't see any fix for it. What I finally did was put a shortcut for IE on my desktop, and I use that only for Hotmail. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
FMurtz wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. It is a problem, but not just a Microsoft problem. Way too many sites with clueless authors test only with major browsers, and include code (usually JavaScript) to see which one you are using. Typically, they test for Internet Explorer (possibly by version), Firefox, Safari, maybe Opera. SeaMonkey is not a common browser and is overlooked, so you don't get some or all of the page. With well-written pages, it is only necessary to test for Internet Explorer, and add code to fix up certain problems only that browser has. The PrefBar I mentioned is available here: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with hotmail page
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: FMurtz wrote: When I try to open hotmail in sea monkey it puts my email list down the left of the page in big letters.The page looks nothing like my old hotmail page that I am used to. The only way to get this old page I am used to is to type www.hotmail.com again in the url space and it sometimes opens up like it used to. (mostly not) It's Microsoft's new browser sniffer. SeaMonkey is not one of their choices, so various parts of the page do not get loaded, including the CSS that lays out the pages. In case posters can not understand my wafflings, I post two pictures of my screen,the first is the unwanted new one that keeps coming up, the second is the page that I am used to.How can I stop the new one coming up all the time? IE usually opens hotmail as sea monkey used to Sea monkey opens up like the first screen photo and I don't want this. Do I have to use IE for hotmail to get around this? No, but you can do one of two things. 1. Use the PrefBar extension to change your UA string. 2. Change your UA string to include the words NOT Firefox I don't have the latest version around, so don't know exactly where that is ... I posted it in three different places including hotmail itself and got no sensible answers,this NG is the only one that seem to even acknowledge that the problem exists. It is a problem, but not just a Microsoft problem. Way too many sites with clueless authors test only with major browsers, and include code (usually JavaScript) to see which one you are using. Typically, they test for Internet Explorer (possibly by version), Firefox, Safari, maybe Opera. SeaMonkey is not a common browser and is overlooked, so you don't get some or all of the page. With well-written pages, it is only necessary to test for Internet Explorer, and add code to fix up certain problems only that browser has. The PrefBar I mentioned is available here: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ I've seen the same problem and Prefbar works great. Sometimes Hotmail doesn't need a spoofed UA but when it happens, I change to a IE8 UA and get the page loaded. then do a reload page with real UA and it's there. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
