Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article. Welcome. No, I never get a login, automatic or otherwise. The page just comes up. Perhaps you're blocking a cookie it wants to set? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. I was not privy to that comment public or private. Fine if he wants to play it that way. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
NoOp wrote: On 08/11/2011 08:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. And the full thread is here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/25595 I reread all my Comments. Didn't see any That justified removal. But, If they wants to play it that way. So be it. looks like a clear cut case of not allowing free speech. I based all my comments on my personal experiences. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Interviewed by CNN on 12/08/2011 00:34, NoOp told the world: Thank goodness you don't use FoxNews... I chose CNN for maximum recognition both here in Brazil and abroad. FoxNews is available on cable here, but it's still pretty obscure -- nobody I know watches it. Their political rhetoric doesn't really play well outside the U.S. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Motorola StarTAC. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article. Welcome. No, I never get a login, automatic or otherwise. The page just comes up. Perhaps you're blocking a cookie it wants to set? Oh wonderfull :-( How do I check? Under Preferences privacy cookies , I accept all cookies. But perhaps it's not a cookie setting. It's flounder, flounder, and flail in the dark maze of options? -- Rostyk Ps. Perhaps master Ilias can offer some concrete debug assistance. :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
On 08/12/2011 07:56 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 12/08/2011 00:34, NoOp told the world: Thank goodness you don't use FoxNews... I chose CNN for maximum recognition both here in Brazil and abroad. FoxNews is available on cable here, but it's still pretty obscure -- nobody I know watches it. Their political rhetoric doesn't really play well outside the U.S. Change it to 'FireFoxNews'. :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
On 11-08-12 12:06 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJones' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? Yes, I removed it from the Mozilla news server, because of Phillip's misinformation like Firefox running itself into the ground, and Mozilla demanding the SeaMonkey council what to do. Justin, Robert, and everyone else shouldn't have to waste their time constantly correcting Phillip. It takes focus and energy away from SeaMonkey support. The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article. If I open a new browser profile having not logged into any sites including google, the URL takes me to the post. So I think perhaps you were already logged in to a Google account for another service (like Gmail) and Google wanted to know if you want to use that account in Groups. That's my guess. It's a Google issue. Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. I thought that master Ilias was pointing me to a copy of PhillipJones' missing article. The part of MR. Jones' post quoted in Mr. Calleks' posting wasn't at all unduly critical of Mozilla and SeaMonkey, and not even mentioning master Ilias Does master Ilias have a grudge feud with Jones, and is playing tin god ? and does he do this with the authority and approval of the SeaMonkey council or on his own whim? See http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/cancellation.html and http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/msg/bac6c88e0dae1fe6 (Sorry, I couldn't find the message on a different archive, but try visiting that URL in a different profile) This discussion itself is OT. If you'd like to reply to this message, please email me with a valid return address, thanks. Replies to this message posted in the newsgroup will be removed. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos schrieb: Then, the third thing: Webkit is a smaller, more focused project than Gecko. Nowadays, even that is a myth. While Webkit doesn't understand all the same standards as full as Gecko does, it grew its own networking library etc. over time because they learned the same lessons Mozilla learned years ago. And it even uses more memory than Gecko nowadays. The cleanness and leanness of Webkit are nothing more than a myth nowadays. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ... I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp. But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with the broom and pooper scooper brigade. Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. Not going to happen, sorry. Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? Because Chris is Chris. nough said. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Keith Whaley wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. keith whaley Obviously Chris is unaware that FireFox 2.3 is about 4 years old or more. The person meant obviously SeaMonkey 2.3. but typed FF 2.3 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2011 16:42, Keith Whaley told the world: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. That's my standard reply quote-header. I customized it to make it a bit funnier. IT'S-A-JOKE. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Olivetti Praxis 20. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator [end quote] -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
On 08/11/2011 07:10 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2011 16:42, Keith Whaley told the world: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. That's my standard reply quote-header. I customized it to make it a bit funnier. IT'S-A-JOKE. Thank goodness you don't use FoxNews... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJones' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Curious. How come your attempt to reach that URL goes through, while mine goes to login page? Curious. Do you get an automatic logon to google groups? Oh and thanks for the copy of the article. Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. I thought that master Ilias was pointing me to a copy of PhillipJones' missing article. The part of MR. Jones' post quoted in Mr. Calleks' posting wasn't at all unduly critical of Mozilla and SeaMonkey, and not even mentioning master Ilias Does master Ilias have a grudge feud with Jones, and is playing tin god ? and does he do this with the authority and approval of the SeaMonkey council or on his own whim? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ... I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp. But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with the broom and pooper scooper brigade. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ... I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp. But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with the broom and pooper scooper brigade. Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
PhillipJones wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ... I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp. But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with the broom and pooper scooper brigade. Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. Not going to happen, sorry. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. Not going to happen, sorry. People keep coming back with this switch to Webkit idea like it was a real option, it was easy and it was some sort of magic bullet. It is none of those. First of all, you have to consider that Seamonkey is written in XUL. XUL was created specifically to be a cross-platform user interface development language/environment. The only way to run XUL is on Gecko. There are NO other implementations. So, to port Seamonkey to another platform means rewriting it from scratch. Now comes the second thing: the mail client. Which currently is related to Thunderbird, which also runs on XUL and Gecko. So besides the browser, there is the need to either rewrite the entire mail client or to find a way to integrate a separate, existing client which evolved independently of Webkit browsers. Then, the third thing: Webkit is a smaller, more focused project than Gecko. Meaning it's an HTML rendering engine, and just that. Gecko is a much more ambitious and complex project. This means Webkit is comparatively small and lean. But it also mean that Webkit has nothing that comes even in the same *continent* regarding running an UI. You have to write the UI using native widgets. So that project of rewriting Seamonkey's UI? Now it is *three* separate projects: one for Windows, one for Mac and one for Linux. To sum up... the amount of work involved in porting Seamonkey to Webkit is staggering, several times bigger then to keep updating and improving the current software on Gecko. And the gains, frankly? I expect to be small to nonexistent. Gecko *is* a fine browser engine. Webkit is currently better than Gecko in a number of metrics, but not by that much, and Gecko is improving fast too. But there are points where Gecko is ahead of Webkit -- witness the recent WebGL demos, which run fine on Firefox 5 and Seamonkey 2.2 (current releases), but not on Chrome 13. The losses, though, would be huge. First of all, forget the current extension ecosystem. It would no longer be compatible, plain and simple. To be able to use Chrome extensions, Seamonkey would have to forgo a lot of its own design roots and get very close to the Chrome design. Worse, we would be talking about a few years before having a production-class product. In that time, the current Seamonkey would be languishing without improvements, becoming more and more obsolete and bleeding users. The final product, if it ever saw the light of the day, would look nothing like Seamonkey -- it would be an unholy amalgam of Chromium and some mail client (Evolution, perhaps?), years late, lacking features that Seamonkey has now, less extensible... and no users left by then. I can't imagine a surer way to kill Seamonkey than attempting to move to Webkit. We got to get away from Mozilla and having to following them Lock step. They've all ready Po'd the number one people that use FF by more or less flipping off Businesses. At the rate they are going Mozilla will be just a memory in year or two. Come up with something else. I don't care if it webKit or first aid kit. So long as we have a product we can have something that doesn't break something new every 4-6 weeks. We are being killed with this fast release stuff. tried 2.3.3a and does not do PDF's. Half of my Web site is pdf's I'm have to resort to using Chrome or iCab or Opera to test items I add. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus schrieb: Someone asked for an example of how the SM team could generate some actual revenue...this is one way No, because it's not a product of the SeaMonkey team, but of the Firefox-related teams. It would be their revenue, and they don't need it. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: Someone asked for an example of how the SM team could generate some actual revenue...this is one way No, because it's not a product of the SeaMonkey team, but of the Firefox-related teams. It would be their revenue, and they don't need it. Robert Kaiser ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Babcom. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? You (or somebody) asked how the team could generate revenue - I was suggesting a *way*, and nothing more. It's up to the team as to what they really want to do...personally, I don't think they're at all interested in growing - re: ideas or numbers. But that up to them, in the end. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus schrieb: 99 cent price point for i-apps which augment SM on the iOS platform - cha-ching! If they still want to give the suite away for free, they can still do that. But i-apps and complementary add-ons? Sell away - biz model 2.0! Note that this is not done by the SM team and no money would go to SM in any way. ou can donate to the Mozilla Foundation, there you even can drop it in a bucket that is to be used for SeaMonkey (see https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey). And Mozilla itself has always been doing free software and makes enough money right now from search deals in Firefox that the organization can do a whole lot for its mission of promoting openness, innovation and opportunity on the web that it doesn't need to sell its software, not even on the Apple Store, where 30% of all money would flow to Apple anyhow. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit more of those than Firefox recently. Still, the all-volunteer SeaMonkey team is working on coming closer again. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
On 8/8/2011 12:27 PM Robert Kaiser submitted the following: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit more of those than Firefox recently. Still, the all-volunteer SeaMonkey team is working on coming closer again. Robert Kaiser I just wonder how many users of Windows XP or other OSs know what version they are running. M$ updates some automatically others have to ask for updates. What version are YOU running? How do you find out? Look at 'System Info'. How about naming it SeaMonkey2011 and then just update as needed without changing the name. Version number would be hidden just like M$ does with the OS. OK - Just take the suggestion with a grain of salt. But, I'm tired of all the yapping about Version numbers. I'm just as happy with 2.2 as I was with 2.0.15pre. -- Ed http://JonesFarm.us/W3BNR Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit more of those than Firefox recently. Still, the all-volunteer SeaMonkey team is working on coming closer again. Robert Kaiser And how soon the bugs are eliminated :-) Right now bugs, misfeatures, introduced in SM 2.1 are projected to be possibly corrected in 2.5. Them's the new development rules. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: And how soon the bugs are eliminated :-) Right now bugs, misfeatures, introduced in SM 2.1 are projected to be possibly corrected in 2.5. Them's the new development rules. True, we are fixing bugs all the time and releasing every six week to deliver the fixes to users as fast as possible. Those things that need patches going deep enough to only get fixed with 2.5 now (i.e. in about 3 months from now) would have taken a year or more to be delivered to users in the old model. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: 99 cent price point for i-apps which augment SM on the iOS platform - cha-ching! If they still want to give the suite away for free, they can still do that. But i-apps and complementary add-ons? Sell away - biz model 2.0! Note that this is not done by the SM team and no money would go to SM in any way. ou can donate to the Mozilla Foundation, there you even can drop it in a bucket that is to be used for SeaMonkey (see https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey). And Mozilla itself has always been doing free software and makes enough money right now from search deals in Firefox that the organization can do a whole lot for its mission of promoting openness, innovation and opportunity on the web that it doesn't need to sell its software, not even on the Apple Store, where 30% of all money would flow to Apple anyhow. Robert Kaiser Someone asked for an example of how the SM team could generate some actual revenue...this is one way, and again it's back to the idea of a new product and a new strategy. And 70% is still greater than zero. I was just providing an example. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Rufus wrote: *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. Off topic for this NG, *but* Firefox Home is *not* Firefox for iPhone, it is basically Weave/Firefox Sync for the iPhone. Letting you access bookmarks, etc. with the iPhone browser you have, (which is webkit only, and closer to truth Safari only) Yeah, that's what I gather...I just don't get how it does it. I suppose it's some sort of bridge - Atomic can install a scrip that will cross-open a URL in Safari (and vice-versa, I think)...but I can't really think of a reason I'd want to do that. This seems like it could be handy, though. I don't like Atomic's cloud-based bookmark synch even though I do prefer Atomic's feature set over iOS Safari. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. I guess I don't really have an issue with the frequency of updates, and I don't use Quicken or Quickbooks, but I do/could have an issue with quality control...in either case I just need to be a bit more vigilant and pay attention to the release notes and user commentary, as I've said. The new release schedule and numbering don't bother me one bit other than that. *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. This is something they have been working on for years. and finally put out. Shame they haven't come out with one for BlackBerry. iPhone Andriod, and BlackBerry (RIM) are the three major players. MS bringing up the rear. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. I guess I don't really have an issue with the frequency of updates, and I don't use Quicken or Quickbooks, but I do/could have an issue with quality control...in either case I just need to be a bit more vigilant and pay attention to the release notes and user commentary, as I've said. The new release schedule and numbering don't bother me one bit other than that. *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. This is something they have been working on for years. and finally put out. Shame they haven't come out with one for BlackBerry. iPhone Andriod, and BlackBerry (RIM) are the three major players. MS bringing up the rear. I'm rather surprised they don't charge for it - I'd certainly be willing to pay 99 cents for something like this, and I think most users would at a 99 cent price point for a useful companion to the otherwise free desktop browser... There's your biz model/revenue stream, team. Companion i-apps. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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PhillipJones schrieb: the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. The one I replied to obviously didn't. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 15:23, Rufus told the world: I'm rather surprised they don't charge for it - I'd certainly be willing to pay 99 cents for something like this, and I think most users would at a 99 cent price point for a useful companion to the otherwise free desktop browser... There's your biz model/revenue stream, team. Companion i-apps. Why would they? Mozilla has never charged the users for their products. It's just not something that goes well with the non-profit foundation status. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Strawberry. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 15:23, Rufus told the world: I'm rather surprised they don't charge for it - I'd certainly be willing to pay 99 cents for something like this, and I think most users would at a 99 cent price point for a useful companion to the otherwise free desktop browser... There's your biz model/revenue stream, team. Companion i-apps. Why would they? Mozilla has never charged the users for their products. It's just not something that goes well with the non-profit foundation status. I have no issue with anyone making some money if they make something I want...and that was a question elsewhere - how could one come up with a biz model that would allow the Moz/SM team to turn a profit and be able to compensate the team? There's one example - if they want to make some money first thing they have to do is ask. Nobody *has* to volunteer for anything unless they just plain wish to... 99 cent price point for i-apps which augment SM on the iOS platform - cha-ching! If they still want to give the suite away for free, they can still do that. But i-apps and complementary add-ons? Sell away - biz model 2.0! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Repeated it below, but whomever is freaking out on were told that Firefox is not suitable for business use. better sit down and realize that they were likely told / ordered what they would say. MS owns most of corporate America...period. And no, that's not a blanket statement...the likes of Firefox scares MS corporate. Firefox updates FAST, PROPERLY, SAFELY and can be set to automatically update so fast -- on a decent speed machine, be it laptop or desktop, that who the #*#* cares if Firefox updates once every two weeks, two months, or two years? Somebody is passing FUD around, likely a competitor or a frightened IT admin. It doesn't matter if Firefox is used in a corporate, small business, professional at home or common every-day end-user atmosphere. Get a life, people ! BTW, Firefox RARELY -- almost almost-never -- updates every two weeks, and that's a fact. Joe On 8/6/2011 1:40 PM, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world: Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that often, and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable for business use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't learned to use a search engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or slashdot. This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/ Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal. Therefore the end-user MUST install a new version each six weeks. He have other things to do This is why he will decide: I will stay on my version for at least one year ... i am not part of an SM testing group. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Joe Rotello schrieb: Firefox updates This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a Firefox group. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: Joe Rotello schrieb: Firefox updates This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a Firefox group. Robert Kaiser read the title again new 2.3 Now realize that Fire Fox is up to version 5, 6, 7, 8 or whatever. Its obvious that whom ever started the thread clearly men SeaMonkey. Read the subject line people. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: Joe Rotello schrieb: Firefox updates This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a Firefox group. Robert Kaiser The original post meant SeaMonkey. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Interviewed by CNN on 06/08/2011 20:07, Robert Kaiser told the world: Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. I agree. At the more basic level, any version numbering scheme conveys just one thing: the release order of versions. But a numbering scheme CAN be designed to carry additional, useful information. For instance, the traditional major.minor.update.patch numbering scheme was designed to deal with a forked genealogy of releases -- so you can release a minor patch to version 3.0 after 3.1 is already being distributed and 4.0 is in beta, for instance, and make that genealogical information instantly understandable. Now, the Mozilla rapid-release system essentially done away with any secondary meaning in version numbers, since there are no longer maintenance releases for older versions. The only remaining information is in the third number group -- the update release. Which is not intended to be used very much. The lack of secondary meaning in version numbers becomes evident when you realize that Firefox is going full sequential, Seamonkey is going minor-version sequential -- and neither camp has a very compelling argument for their chosen scheme. I think a Year.Month version numbering, a la Ubuntu, would be a better long-term scheme. At least, it has SOME secondary meaning: the release date. I think after a couple years of rapid-fire releases, users will begin to lose track and will no longer be able to tell if Chrome 22, Firefox 17 or Seamonkey 2.15 is the current release or not. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Desktop PC. Yes, running an actual e-mail client. Wanna make something of it? *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser I was referring to the admonition that the thread should be in FireFox. when the op meant SeaMonkey and wrote Firefox. FireFox 2.3 is so old it has a beard as long as mine. Gee I thought I was the one that didn't catch on so quick. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. I guess I don't really have an issue with the frequency of updates, and I don't use Quicken or Quickbooks, but I do/could have an issue with quality control...in either case I just need to be a bit more vigilant and pay attention to the release notes and user commentary, as I've said. The new release schedule and numbering don't bother me one bit other than that. *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus wrote: *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. Off topic for this NG, *but* Firefox Home is *not* Firefox for iPhone, it is basically Weave/Firefox Sync for the iPhone. Letting you access bookmarks, etc. with the iPhone browser you have, (which is webkit only, and closer to truth Safari only) -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
