Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs. I think in 2.1 anything opening in new tabs replaces a currently active blank tab. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 11 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs. Yes, but regular bookmarks behave the same way: they either replace the current tab (blank or not), or open in a new tab (the current being blank or not). Or did I miss some functionality? Before changing my pref, a regular bookmark replaced an existing page or tab, but a groupmark left the existing one intact. Since changing the pref, a groupmark always replaces the existing page or tabs. So for example, I just had three tabs open, two of them blank, and chose a groupmark with four tabs, and I ended with a total of four tabs. The tab with content was lost, and so were the two blank ones. I then tested with one tab having content and five blank tabs, and the four-page groupmark replaced all six with its own set of four. It acted as if it didn't know there were five blank tabs available for it, and forced the tab with content closed even though it didn't have to. I can force the groupmark to open its four tabs in a new window, but I can't tell it to add those four tabs to an existing window or set of tabs. The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a bookmark to open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in new tabs. It's either replace all my open tabs or open in a new window. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Le 12 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a bookmark to open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in new tabs. Yes you can. See Prefs Tabbed Browsing, second frame (don't know its English label), it's about adding vs replacing tabs. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 12 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a bookmark to open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in new tabs. Yes you can. See Prefs Tabbed Browsing, second frame (don't know its English label), it's about adding vs replacing tabs. That was my old setting, before I followed your suggestion. With that setting, an existing tab (blank or not) is preserved, and that was my original complaint. A regular bookmark can be told to replace an existing page or open in a new page, but a groupmark cannot be told to add its tabs to an existing set -- either I open a whole new window for it, or I replace all my existing tabs. I want a third option: add your tabs to my existing set, replacing any blank ones but retaining any tabs with content. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Le 10 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links yields six tabs, one of them blank. Except if you set groupmarks to replace existing tabs in Prefs. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 10 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links yields six tabs, one of them blank. Except if you set groupmarks to replace existing tabs in Prefs. But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up? The HTML file is not the backup, it's just for those users who somehow need or want to have it. HTML files are only for export and import, i.e. the user, not the system itself. The new bookmarks back-end, Places, uses a (transactional) database for storage, and the JSON format (JavaScript) for backups, which are created automatically and can easily be restored using the new Bookmarks Manager. So provided you don't suffer from a hard disk breakage (SM's internal backup of course doesn't free you from creating system backups!), you should never permanently lose any of your bookmarks without your explicit consent. You could get temporary inconsistencies between the internal bookmarks storage and bookmarks.html, though (e.g. if the latter could not be written due to a crash). In that case, just restart SM and exit cleanly or export manually. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Michael Gordon wrote: When is a new bookmark set in the data file? If by data file you mean the Places database SQLite file, then AFAIK that will be a few moments (between milliseconds and seconds) after the bookmark has been created (or otherwise changed, this also applies to changes to existing bookmarks!), i.e. it's asynchronous. Is it set the moment the user sets a web page as a bookmark? AFAIK not the very moment; instead it's first written to memory (RAM), then after some time flushed to disk. If the flushing to disk fails, the change is lost. What the database ensures however is that the it stays consistent, i.e. you either have the state before the change or the state afterward, but never something else (provided the disk is OK of course). Is it set when SM is closed? Of course, if SM is closed, the file is also written to disk if previously accumulated changes have not been written to disk yet. It's only the bookmarks.html export file that is only written to disk upon exiting the application (if you tell it to do that via a pref). If the bookmark is recorded in the data file the instant the user sets a web page as a bookmark it won't matter what happens to SM a few moments later, the bookmark will be set and recorded in the data file and ready for instant use. The system does not guarantee that any change you make stays persistent; I should have been clearer about that. Only changes that have been written to the database completely stay persistent. Those are safe then, though. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: When is a new bookmark set in the data file? If by data file you mean the Places database SQLite file, then AFAIK that will be a few moments (between milliseconds and seconds) after the bookmark has been created (or otherwise changed, this also applies to changes to existing bookmarks!), i.e. it's asynchronous. Is it set the moment the user sets a web page as a bookmark? AFAIK not the very moment; instead it's first written to memory (RAM), then after some time flushed to disk. If the flushing to disk fails, the change is lost. What the database ensures however is that the it stays consistent, i.e. you either have the state before the change or the state afterward, but never something else (provided the disk is OK of course). Is it set when SM is closed? Of course, if SM is closed, the file is also written to disk if previously accumulated changes have not been written to disk yet. It's only the bookmarks.html export file that is only written to disk upon exiting the application (if you tell it to do that via a pref). If the bookmark is recorded in the data file the instant the user sets a web page as a bookmark it won't matter what happens to SM a few moments later, the bookmark will be set and recorded in the data file and ready for instant use. The system does not guarantee that any change you make stays persistent; I should have been clearer about that. Only changes that have been written to the database completely stay persistent. Those are safe then, though. HTH Jens Thank you for clearing up the confusion on the Bookmarks, their storage, and recovery. It sounds to me like you have taken all the precautions possible to save and recover bookmarks. Michael ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Rufus schrieb: ...ahh. I've noticed that during startup if I try to make a bookmark selection before everything is fully started the pane will snap shut on me and I have to start over...I suppose this is why? I have tons of bookmarks. That surely could be connected. Working with a large amount of bookmarks should work better in the database-backed system we have in 2.1, and your bookmarks should also be safer, as it automatically creates and keeps backups of your bookmarks data. How about Master Password behavior in 2.1.x - fixed? No idea. I know we should have some improvements in that area, but I know the details too little to know if your case is fixed or not. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown. -- John P Baker ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
JP. Baker schrieb: I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown. It should work. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
JP. Baker wrote: I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown. This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to bookmark a page (Bookmark This Page), and when I do so (I thought) that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page? When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:13:17 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). The Check this location for updates and associated settings for each bookmark went away as well but then I never used it so didn't miss it. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Hi ! Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? I see only bookmark, folder and separator when managing bookmarks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 1/10/2011 9:16 AM, Larry wrote: JP. Baker wrote: I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown. This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to bookmark a page (Bookmark This Page), and when I do so (I thought) that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page? When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option? The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1. In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file. The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM. You still bookmark this page just as you always have. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Hi ! Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? I see only bookmark, folder and separator when managing bookmarks. I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer. Back in the 1960s. w. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 1/10/2011 4:40 PM, Walter wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Hi ! Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? I see only bookmark, folder and separator when managing bookmarks. I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer. Back in the 1960s. w. Do you believe that is what is being referred to here? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/10/2011 4:40 PM, Walter wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Hi ! Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? I see only bookmark, folder and separator when managing bookmarks. I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer. Back in the 1960s. w. Do you believe that is what is being referred to here? No, just recalling a memory from second generation computers. My apology if it offends anybody. w. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Mark Hansen wrote: The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1. In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file. The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM. You still bookmark this page just as you always have. Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up? I know how to go into a broken HTML file and fix it, but what if the database gets corrupted somehow -- will SM automatically save an empty HTML file on exit? I'm sure I couldn't go in and fix the DB with SM still running... I'm sure you guys have thought this through, but I haven't. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/10/2011 9:16 AM, Larry wrote: JP. Baker wrote: I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown. This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to bookmark a page (Bookmark This Page), and when I do so (I thought) that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page? When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option? The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1. In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file. The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM. You still bookmark this page just as you always have. Got it -- thanks! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use livemarks, saved bookmarks searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the database model). Robert Kaiser Sounds interesting overall - I do use folders extensively for bookmark groupings, so we'll see if I have to work up a new strategy or not. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Ray_Net schrieb: Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its implementation always a bit hackish). Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up? No, actually, things should be written out more often and in smaller chunks and less likely to be destroyed with the database-driven solution - and we also do automated backups that we automatically import in case of corruptions, so things should actually be all in all much more stable and less likely to be lost. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its implementation always a bit hackish). One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links yields six tabs, one of them blank. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:14:00 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1. In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file. The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM. You still bookmark this page just as you always have. Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up? sqlite is ACID a relational database so commits are atomic. In addition the latest nightly builds come with a version of sqlite that has what they call WAL I think that's their name for redo logs. So even if SM crashes, when it starts up again the sqlite code will replay all uncommitted transactions and update the database to a consistent state. (Disclaimer: I spent ten years managing, coding, and customizing enterprise class Oracle Financials databases but I don't know how much of this applies to toy databases like SQLite). I know how to go into a broken HTML file and fix it, but what if the database gets corrupted somehow -- will SM automatically save an empty HTML file on exit? I'm sure I couldn't go in and fix the DB with SM still running... I'm sure you guys have thought this through, but I haven't. Oh yes the Mozilla Storage team has thought long and hard on these and other much more esoteric issues. For example to improve performance, database writes occur asynchronously on multiple background threads. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:54:47 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links yields six tabs, one of them blank. Yeah, opening a bookmark folder in a new window on trunk doesn't leave a blank tab now. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:44:08 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Could you tell me what a groupmark is ? A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its implementation always a bit hackish). As far as I can tell, the physical implementation in bookmarks.html was a normal bookmarks folder with a groupmark flag. :P Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Back to my original question, I'm using 2.0.11 according to help_about so I guess that must be true. I seached the whole CD drive and there's no bookmarks file that matches the one that seamonkey currently displays when its running. Also, none of the files I can find have an edit date of today when I change my current bookmarks. So this is impossible, right? Maybe if I create a new profile? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: Back to my original question, I'm using 2.0.11 according to help_about so I guess that must be true. I seached the whole CD drive and there's no bookmarks file that matches the one that seamonkey currently displays when its running. Also, none of the files I can find have an edit date of today when I change my current bookmarks. So this is impossible, right? Maybe if I create a new profile? Why would you look on a CD? Aren't you running from your hard disk? Or was that a typo? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Rufus schrieb: But can you also import? Yes, you can import and export from/to HTML. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Ray_Net schrieb: Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? Because a database is faster for accessing specific data, needs less memory (we don't need to parse and analyze all data just to display some part of it), allows more efficient and flexible organization (like tags) easily and enables better exchange for things like Sync. We still offer import and export from/to HTML, of course. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? Because a database is faster for accessing specific data, needs less memory (we don't need to parse and analyze all data just to display some part of it), allows more efficient and flexible organization (like tags) easily and enables better exchange for things like Sync. I am using 2.0.x with the flat file bookmarks.html without noticing any slowdown of SM. SM is slow in other parts. IMHO - BTW the actual bookmarks.html have too many unneeded extra items attached per entry. the only need things is a choiced name the url and eventually a directory tree. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: But can you also import? Yes, you can import and export from/to HTML. Robert Kaiser Fantastic. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Ray_Net schrieb: I am using 2.0.x with the flat file bookmarks.html without noticing any slowdown of SM. The slowdowns of the old systems are mostly in startup (and esp. with large bookmarks files), as it needs to load all data into an in-memory datasource structure before displaying anything. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: I am using 2.0.x with the flat file bookmarks.html without noticing any slowdown of SM. The slowdowns of the old systems are mostly in startup (and esp. with large bookmarks files), as it needs to load all data into an in-memory datasource structure before displaying anything. Robert Kaiser ...ahh. I've noticed that during startup if I try to make a bookmark selection before everything is fully started the pane will snap shut on me and I have to start over...I suppose this is why? I have tons of bookmarks. How about Master Password behavior in 2.1.x - fixed? I get SM asking for my Master seemingly at random even though I have it set to only ask the first time it is needed - which shouldn't be unless I manually check messages in Mail or navigate to a web page with a stored password. This used to work, but somehow got broken back around 1.1.17 as I recall...if it asks during a download SM freezes and I have to Force Quit SM and restart to get out of it. I think I wrote a bug on this, but I can't remember...I'd be happy if it just behaved as advertised. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 1/9/11 12:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? Because a database is faster for accessing specific data, needs less memory (we don't need to parse and analyze all data just to display some part of it), allows more efficient and flexible organization (like tags) easily and enables better exchange for things like Sync. I am using 2.0.x with the flat file bookmarks.html without noticing any slowdown of SM. SM is slow in other parts. IMHO - BTW the actual bookmarks.html have too many unneeded extra items attached per entry. the only need things is a choiced name the url and eventually a directory tree. I disagree. Several of my bookmarks also have comments. For example, I usually enable images only from the requested domain, but I have comments on some bookmarks requires all images . Also, I sometimes want to see the last time I went to a bookmarked site. No, I don't want to go to my history file and compare URIs with my bookmarks. In any case, I retain history only 45 days. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/9/11 12:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? Because a database is faster for accessing specific data, needs less memory (we don't need to parse and analyze all data just to display some part of it), allows more efficient and flexible organization (like tags) easily and enables better exchange for things like Sync. I am using 2.0.x with the flat file bookmarks.html without noticing any slowdown of SM. SM is slow in other parts. IMHO - BTW the actual bookmarks.html have too many unneeded extra items attached per entry. the only need things is a choiced name the url and eventually a directory tree. I disagree. Several of my bookmarks also have comments. For example, I usually enable images only from the requested domain, but I have comments on some bookmarks requires all images . Also, I sometimes want to see the last time I went to a bookmarked site. No, I don't want to go to my history file and compare URIs with my bookmarks. In any case, I retain history only 45 days. I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format and not top level functionality... ...at least that's what I hope. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
where is bookmarks.html?
I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Look in here on your Windows XP system: C:\Documents and Settings\user name\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\xxu.Xxx x. is the new profile name if you created a new profile for SM 2.x, if you did not create a new profile SM 2.x will have created one for you ending in Default. Michael ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Assuming you are using Windows you should be able to search for it. start/ search /files and folders/ named *.html Granted you may get back hundreds but just look at the ones related to sm. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: Look in here on your Windows XP system: C:\Documents and Settings\user name\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\xxu.Xxx x. is the new profile name if you created a new profile for SM 2.x, if you did not create a new profile SM 2.x will have created one for you ending in Default. Michael That's exactly where I'm already looking. There's just one profile there, it contains a bookmarks.html but its an empty one, not the one that's currently in use. My current bookmarks file is at C:\Documents and Settings\My Name Here\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default just as described. FWIW. If you want to search for it, I'd search in C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Application Data\Mozilla\ which should cover all SM 2 profiles, and specify that Windows should look in all subdirectories. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the Bookmarks Manager, then Tools = Export HTML in it). Best regards, Tony. -- For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like. -- Abraham Lincoln ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? ...*that* sucks. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the Bookmarks Manager, then Tools = Export HTML in it). Best regards, Tony. But can you also import? Being able to edit bookmarks.html into handy lists with a simple text editor, and even e-mail those to share them was a *feature*, IMO. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:53:13 -0800, Rufus wrote: Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote: In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the Bookmarks Manager, then Tools = Export HTML in it). But can you also import? Being able to edit bookmarks.html into handy lists with a simple text editor, and even e-mail those to share them was a *feature*, IMO. SeaMonkey 2.1 will come with Weave/Sync so you can sync your history and bookmarks (and passwords etc) with other instances of not just SeaMonkey 2.1 but also Firefox, Firefox Mobile (and on iPhone, Firefox Home). And html import still works of course. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:53:13 -0800, Rufus wrote: Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote: In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the Bookmarks Manager, then Tools = Export HTML in it). But can you also import? Being able to edit bookmarks.html into handy lists with a simple text editor, and even e-mail those to share them was a *feature*, IMO. SeaMonkey 2.1 will come with Weave/Sync so you can sync your history and bookmarks (and passwords etc) with other instances of not just SeaMonkey 2.1 but also Firefox, Firefox Mobile (and on iPhone, Firefox Home). And html import still works of course. Phil That's good. I'll more than likely stick with .html files for editing, e-mailing, and sharing. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
