Re: [biofuel] Another warning
A computer is a terrible thing to wast use LINUX :) Cheers justin On Tuesday 11 December 2001 05:37, you wrote: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have another guy with the virus. Don't open his mail either! That makes the second one from this list today. And, yes, it's the Badtrans. One again - these messages are NOT coming from this list. They're coming from an infected computer where the virus is raiding the address book and sending out disguised messages from counterfeit addresses. There is NO WAY a virus can be transmitted via this list, which DOES NOT ALLOW attachments or html-coded messages, or anything other than PLAIN TEXT. The first address you warned us of is not even a member of this list. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol
Hi all I am keen on making some ethanol to try out on an engine before my CAR... Just wondering if I could use table sugur to start with? Failing that I am going to try with potatos?? I live in South Africa Durban where farmers grow lotsa sugur cane :) Thanks Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unimogs (aha- but:-)
Keith Addison wrote: Too right! And in fact there's a lot wrong with it. *Still* no difflocks, weak half-shafts... etc etc etc. The Series I had a galvanised frame, so why not the rest? Land Rover owners LIKE rust problems, eh? Tut-tut. And they're not reliable, something's always wrong, something always needs doing. Sure, they'll get you there, but you have to keep fixing stuff. At least it's fixable - well, the Series models were. Now thats a hobby! Mogs, on the other hand, ARE reliable. So are G-Wagens. I was told by a G-Wagen owner that his chassis is the same as the Unimog. Cheers for the P4 info. Dave -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol
Hi all I am keen on making some ethanol to try out on an engine before my CAR... Just wondering if I could use table sugur to start with? Failing that I am going to try with potatos?? I live in South Africa Durban where farmers grow lotsa sugur cane :) Thanks Justin Sugar's easiest of all, potatoes not so easy - it's starch, so you need to convert it, and it's probably more difficult than other starches. You'll find information in the two manuals in the Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html There's good information on ethanol from potatoes in the archives, also on sugarcane - do a search: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages By the way, I agree with you about Linux - still needs work, but I think (hope!) it's the future. But for now I'll stick with Macs. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unimogs (aha- but:-)
Dave Preskett wrote: Keith Addison wrote: Too right! And in fact there's a lot wrong with it. *Still* no difflocks, weak half-shafts... etc etc etc. The Series I had a galvanised frame, so why not the rest? Land Rover owners LIKE rust problems, eh? Tut-tut. And they're not reliable, something's always wrong, something always needs doing. Sure, they'll get you there, but you have to keep fixing stuff. At least it's fixable - well, the Series models were. Now thats a hobby! Naah - who needs it? The things are supposed to go, extremely boring when they don't. I'll settle for function thanks. Life's too full for hobbies. Mogs, on the other hand, ARE reliable. So are G-Wagens. I was told by a G-Wagen owner that his chassis is the same as the Unimog. I wonder which one? It's smaller than most of them. Did he say? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Cheers for the P4 info. Dave -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: David Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:43:10 + Subject:Re: [biofuel] Ethanol question Send reply to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Gringo VaLaCasa wrote: Has anyone tried raising algae? Spirulina species- www.earthrise.com They sell dietary supplements made from spirulina. I read one of their technical reports detailing the components particulary lipids (name for oils in their natural state). I also saw something about bd from spirulina somewhere or a suggested use - . wicked memory loss:-) [SNIP] If you have a Phd in microbiology and the money to back you, then fine go for algae. The problem is that whilst they have potential, they still need a lot of research to be done before they are a viable bd source. Also spirulina is useless for biodiesel, it has quite low lipid content. There are better ones kicking around the place. Andrew//***\\ || Two things get me out of the water quickly: || || sharks and toilet paper. || || Billy Connelly || ||***|| || Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng || || Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming|| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *|* Perth, Australia || || www.wht.com.au *|* C, C++, MDL, Java|| \\***// Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unimogs (aha- but:-)
Keith Addison wrote: I was told by a G-Wagen owner that his chassis is the same as the Unimog. I wonder which one? It's smaller than most of them. Did he say? Nope. I did express some disbeleif but as he was a cantankerous old man and seemed convinced I left him to it. Could be one of the new style Unimogs which came out around the time of the G Wagen? Dave -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BioD in the developing world
Jim Miller wrote: Marc: Where are you located and what is your connection with biodiesel and Phillipines. I'm in Iligan City, on the northeast corner of Mindanao near where the Zamboanga Peninsula joins the mainland of the island. My interest in biodiesel is in connection with a rather ambitious plan I am writing to restructure coconut-based industries here to pull them up out of what is shaping up as a permanent slump. More specifically, I have been asked to advise the Mayor of Iligan in connection with an investor group's plan to set up a modern coconut-based plant here, which may or may not include BD. I'm supposed to head over to Cebu with him soon to confer with these folks. Soon most likely means next year, as with Ramadan here and Christmas approaching, nothing much is going to get done before the New Year. Best, Marc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unimogs (aha- but:-)
Keith Addison wrote: I was told by a G-Wagen owner that his chassis is the same as the Unimog. I wonder which one? It's smaller than most of them. Did he say? Nope. I did express some disbeleif but as he was a cantankerous old man and seemed convinced I left him to it. Could be one of the new style Unimogs which came out around the time of the G Wagen? The G Wagen hit the road in 1979. The original design spec was to use as many bits and pieces from existing Mercedes vehicles as possible, and I guess that would largely have meant the Unimog. Maybe he was right, your cantankerous old man. Keith Dave -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
Thanks Ed, I was hoping you would join in as I consider you our resident SVO expert. I am forming the opinion from the studies I have seen that an optimum system (for maximum engine life) would warm the SVO to 170*C but coolant in engines only gets up to about 170*F. At 170*F SVO is approx. the viscosity of diesel at 10*C...I think. Would it be possible AND a good idea to warm the SVO further via electric heaters to closer to that optimum temperature e.g. 170*C? I realize this would require high temp components downline of such a heater and wonder if an electric heater could be applied to the metal fuel line between the injector pump and the injectors. I can't imagine the injectors would not be able to take the higher temp. but you would likely be more qualified to make that call. This may only be needed for DI engines as I also understand that indirect injection engines are able to warm the SVO enough after injection in the prechamber to avoid deposit accumulation. Unfortunately more and more DI engines seem to be manufactured and fewer vehicles are available with DI as time progresses. I would like to broaden the choice of vehicles for those that wish to convert to SVO and especially with computer controlled DI the only way to cope would seem to be to match the SVO viscosity to diesel as closely as possible. What is your opinion? Would this be redundant/overkill on a indirect inj. engine? As I first posted a perfect conversion would use off the shelf components as much as possible and I am very glad that Neoteric Fuels is able to provide many of them. I am very interested in the heater available from Neoteric and also felt that the do it yourself heaters I mentioned seem pretty crude in comparison...but I am trying to bring together ALL the info I can to provide a complete overview. I have seen one reference to a fuel heater that is essentially a length of metal pipe with a positive electrical connection on one end and a ground on the other. Current was run through this heating the length of pipe in between via elec. resistance. The fuel being run through the section of pipe is warmed as it passes through. Temperature is controlled by a probe on the end of the pipe where fuel comes out. Seemed very simple/reliable but couldn't find it as an off the shelf component. Is this similar to the fuel heater Neoteric sells? If not what is the max. temp Neoterics' fuel heater can achieve? Has anyone considered running an electrical resistance wire down the inside of the fuel/return lines? Kind of a simpler version of the pipe within a pipe concept. Low voltage/wattage? This could be used to warm the fuel enough to allow it to reach around 70*F so it would flow easily and thereby not strain either the injector pump or alternator. The SVO would then flow through a small under hood tank where its temperature would be boosted to coolant temp. and then pass directly to the fuel pump via a solenoid valve. Connections could be made on this tank for a vacuum gauge, a temp. probe, and a vent(for air purging w/ a vacuum source). What is your opinion Ed? If you have not tried this are you open to a collaboration? Thanks for your input. Dana snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - heated SVO tanks
Craig you wrote: I plan on a custom tank for SVO/WVO with a false bottom filled with coolant - most people use a copper loop inside the SVO tanK. Do you mean a tank under the hood? I have seen posts with concerns about coolant leaks into the SVO both with copper loops, false bottoms, and copper pipe in a hose warming systems. Coolant in fuel equals expensive repairs on engine/inj. pump/injectors...In fairness I have not seen reports of this happening but caution is indicated given the stakes. Maybe all diesels have a water in fuel warning light that precludes this problem becomming serious. I may be wrong but I think warming the whole SVO tank to full tmp is not the optimum method IMHO. This is what my initial conversion did and it took quite a while for he whole tank to warm up. It was also redundant as the SVO was warming much more quickly to full temp in the heated line to the fuel pump. Since the lines to and from the SVO tank must be warmed to allow the SVO to flow freely (and not strain the injector pump) if they are long enough they also act as the heat exchanger to brng the SVO up to full coolant temp. Only a small heater is required directly next to the SVO outlet to liquify the SVO enough to be pulled into the line where it is progrssivly warmed as it flows toward the engine.(more on this in a later post) By the time of switchover (full engine temp)the SVO in the lines to and from the SVO tank are also warm as is the small pocket of SVO near the fuel line pickup piont in the SVO tank. Since most return lines seem to discharge near that point once the engine is running on SVO the warmed SVO that is returning to the tank is recirculated back to the engine(minus any air bubbles)along with a bit of new SVO. this mixture is then easily warmed up to full temp on its' journey through the heated fuel line. I beleive that it is important to warm the SVO as much as possible not only to prevent your injector pump from failing but to also promote more complete combustion and thereby raise efficiency and lower the possability of combustion chamber deposits/coking. If you are running cool/viscous SVO to your injectors I beleive you are asking for trouble even with an indirect injection engine. Just my opinion. If you don't want to run coolant hoses to your tank there ARE other possible ways to heat the SVO. See my other post on SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm. Racor seems a little high priced...but definatly high quality as well. Marine components are usually built to last. Thanks for contributing... Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Illinois plans giant ethanol processing plant
http://enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/12/12102001/ethanol_45827.asp - 12/10/2001 - ENN.com Illinois plans giant ethanol processing plant Monday, December 10, 2001 By Environmental News Network Ethanol-powered 2000 Ford Ranger stands on grass that could be used to power its engine. More than 95 percent of Chicago drivers are burning gasoline that contains 10 percent ethanol, an indication of how important the grain based oxygenate is to clean air quality in the Windy City. Over the next two years, construction of a new Illinois based ethanol processing plant will consolidate the state's position in the forefront of ethanol research and production. In January 2003, a new pilot ethanol processing plant will open in Edwardsville, Illinois that will serve as a demonstration of the commercial feasibility of large scale ethanol production. Although ethanol is manufactured commercially in states such as Kansas, Nebraska, and Minnesota, the new Illinois plant is considered essential to the industry's goal of increasing ethanol production from today's two billion gallons a year to 16 billion gallons a year during the next 10 to 15 years. Ethanol is a non-toxic oxygenate prepared from grain that biodegrades quickly in water. Added to gasoline, ethanol enhances engine performance and reduces harmful emissions. Ethanol is an alcohol made from renewable resources such as corn and other cereal grains, food and other beverage wastes and forestry by-products. Ethanol-blended fuel reduces carbon monoxide and volatile organic compound emissions, which are factors in the formation of smog. Ethanol is added to gasoline blends in every state in the nation to meet oxygenate level requirements mandated by the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments and to raise the octane level. The new plant emulates a commercial plant and will be built in modules so any part of the production line can be easily replaced to test new equipment demonstrating technologies that will make ethanol production more competitive with gasoline. It will serve to convince industry to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to retrofit a plant with new technology by testing it on a large scale. Various organizations concerned with ethanol research, including the Illinois Corn Growers Association, the Illinois Department of Energy and Natural Resources, the Illinois Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, and Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville, are sponsoring the new pilot plant. The state of Illinois is providing $6 million towards the construction as the plant is expected to enhance all phases of the Illinois ethanol business. According to the Illinois Corn Growers Association, investment by the ethanol industry in the state exceeds $1 billion, generating 800 jobs in plant operations and 4,000 jobs in the industry related service sector. Illinois ranks second in U.S. corn production with more than 1.5 billion bushels produced each year. Corn grown in Illinois is used to produce 40 percent of the ethanol consumed in the United States. The Agricultural Research Service (ARS) of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is administering the federal government's contributions of $2 million for the design stage and $14 million of the $20 million construction project, according to Don Comis of the ARS. At 23,000 square feet of floor space and with a capacity to produce 50,000 gallons of ethanol a year, the two-story plant will be the largest pilot ethanol plant in the country. Among the products ARS scientists might test at the new plant are new enzymes being developed to improve the efficiency and environmental soundness of ethanol production. The Southwest Research Institute determined that a new blend of ethanol and diesel fuel can reduce particulate matter emissions by as much as 41 percent, nitrogen oxides by as much as five percent and carbon monoxide by 27 percent. ARS will likely evaluate and demonstrate its latest ethanol products and processing techniques at this plant as the final stage before commercialization. Other federal researchers, university researchers, ethanol companies and equipment vendors will use the pilot plant as a testing ground for their ethanol research. Each gallon of ethanol produced domestically displaces seven gallons of imported oil, according to USDA scientists. The Bush administration views ethanol as a way to enhance domestic energy production and has ordered that the oxygenate be used in fleets of government vehicles. Ethanol and biofuels are fuels of the future for this country, President George W. Bush told the Farm Journal Forum in Washington during the last week of November. He highlighted ethanol's ability to enhance homeland security, improve the farm economy, and protect the environment. These fuels are gentle on the environment, the President said. They are fuels that can be renewed year after year, and fuels that can expand our farm
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:46:15 -0800 (PST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm- Thanks Ed, I was hoping you would join in as I consider you our resident SVO expert. I am forming the opinion from the studies I have seen that an optimum system (for maximum engine life) would warm the SVO to 170*C but coolant in engines only gets up to about 170*F. At 170*F SVO is approx. the viscosity of diesel at 10*C...I think. Would it be possible AND a good idea to warm the SVO further via electric heaters to closer to that optimum temperature e.g. 170*C? I realize this would require high temp components downline of such a heater and wonder if an electric heater could be applied to the metal fuel line between the injector pump and the injectors. I can't imagine the injectors would not be able to take the higher temp. but you would likely be more qualified to make that call. Dana - I have seen a lot of different optimum temperatures for SVO in varous studies, and these range from 70¼C to 300¼C (!). It depends on the engine type (DI or IDI) and the fuel (type of vegoil) to some extent, but in general DI engines, it seems, really should have higher temps, or thinner fuel blends than is required for IDI engines. That's why I posted on the idea of ethanol blending with SVO a few times. That brought the required temp. (in that study, on that DI engine, on rapeseed oil), down from 150¼C to 80¼C. and also gave significant further particulate emissions reductions compared to rapeseed oil alone, already quite a bit lower than petrodiesel. So as we see wider availability of fuel grade ethanol, that will be interesting to follow since it coincides with wider use of DI engines. Steve mentioned a number of times the role of biodiesel as start/stop fuel and its solvent effect being beneficial in keeping deposits under control and I agree with that. If I am not using biodiesel, I personally use the premium diesel (in winter, for example) as start/stop fuel to get the benefit of the extra additives (Shell Ultra, is what I normally use), since that's what is available locally). I think that the Tessol-NADI product we are now making, blended @ 10% or so in the diesel fuel, may also be useful for this purpose (blending into regular diesel start/stop fuel), and will reduce the emissions of the cold-start-on-diesel phase, the high emissions stage on all engines. So despite its higher cost, as an additive for this purpose it may be of interest in SVO systems if biodiesel is not locally available for blending in with the diesel in winter or use @ B100 in warm weather. I think that trying to heat SVO to the high temperatures you mention might lead to other problems, amperage draw being the greatest problem certainly. This may only be needed for DI engines as I also understand that indirect injection engines are able to warm the SVO enough after injection in the prechamber to avoid deposit accumulation. The IDI engine provides for better mixing and combustion, bascially compensating for the higher viscosity of SVO relative to diesel fuel, even SVO heated to the usual ~70¼C. Unfortunately more and more DI engines seem to be manufactured and fewer vehicles are available with DI as time progresses. I would like to broaden the choice of vehicles for those that wish to convert to SVO and especially with computer controlled DI the only way to cope would seem to be to match the SVO viscosity to diesel as closely as possible. What is your opinion? Would this be redundant/overkill on a indirect inj. engine? Yes it would be overkill. IDI engines do not need the same tactics and temperatures as DI, and especially computer controlled DI which requires the most effort and cost for SVO use and about which there is the most debate re: longer term use of SVO. We still advise against use of SVO in DI engines and especially computer controlled DI, the computer can't deal with even slight changes in viscosity. Since these engines are cleaner in the first place, my opinion is that we want to focus for right now on the millions of older IDI engines that will be in use for decades , and offer affordable systems and devices for those first. As I first posted a perfect conversion would use off the shelf components as much as possible and I am very glad that Neoteric Fuels is able to provide many of them. I am very interested in the heater available from Neoteric and also felt that the do it yourself heaters I mentioned seem pretty crude in comparison...but I am trying to bring together ALL the info I can to provide a complete overview. I have seen one reference to a fuel heater that is essentially a length of metal pipe with a positive electrical connection on one end and a ground on the other. Current was run through this heating the length of pipe in between via
Re: [biofuel] ethanol
You can use sugar cane. Obtain the cane from the processors after they have squeezed the juice from it. It should be free to you. Otherwise get a whole truck load of sugar cane and use that. Better than potatoes! Gerry From: Justin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] ethanol Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:32:37 +0200 Hi all I am keen on making some ethanol to try out on an engine before my CAR... Just wondering if I could use table sugur to start with? Failing that I am going to try with potatos?? I live in South Africa Durban where farmers grow lotsa sugur cane :) Thanks Justin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
To rephrase the question to get my own specific answer: would it be possible to get or make a self regulating electric heater that could raise the temperature of the incoming oil from a coolant heated 70C to the optimum 140C? or maybe only the diff between 25C (ambient) and 70C= 45C (temp rise from ambient), that is, preheat with coolant in the HIH, then heat further with electric to, say, 115C. would this, then allow one to more safely use SVO in a DI engine? anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
It should be possible, but we'll have to prototype one and get back to the group on it in the New Year. This takes time and money every time out, so can I ask for expressions of interest to be emailed to me directly? If we get enough interest in this idea and commitments for at least 20 at $75 US each including relay (plus shipping and applicable taxes), in the next week or two, we'll do our best on pushing it along and get back to those who have committed to them once ready, and ask for payment and actual order at that time. ? Don't say you want one if you're not fairly sure about it though, ok? Thanks! The higher temp. should assist in better droplet formation and hence combustion in the DI engine than would be the case at the lower temp. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:27:10 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm- To rephrase the question to get my own specific answer: would it be possible to get or make a self regulating electric heater that could raise the temperature of the incoming oil from a coolant heated 70C to the optimum 140C? or maybe only the diff between 25C (ambient) and 70C= 45C (temp rise from ambient), that is, preheat with coolant in the HIH, then heat further with electric to, say, 115C. would this, then allow one to more safely use SVO in a DI engine? anton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
Steve, With the Unimog starting price of $84,000 I think I will stick with my F350. It is a bit pricey don't you think? Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
Ed, Sign me up for one - for a 4 cyl. Tdi. And thanks, Anton, for pushing development of this new product. Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: It should be possible, but we'll have to prototype one and get back to the group on it in the New Year. This takes time and money every time out, so can I ask for expressions of interest to be emailed to me directly? If we get enough interest in this idea and commitments for at least 20 at $75 US each including relay (plus shipping and applicable taxes), in the next week or two, we'll do our best on pushing it along and get back to those who have committed to them once ready, and ask for payment and actual order at that time. ? Don't say you want one if you're not fairly sure about it though, ok? Thanks! The higher temp. should assist in better droplet formation and hence combustion in the DI engine than would be the case at the lower temp. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:27:10 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm- To rephrase the question to get my own specific answer: would it be possible to get or make a self regulating electric heater that could raise the temperature of the incoming oil from a coolant heated 70C to the optimum 140C? or maybe only the diff between 25C (ambient) and 70C= 45C (temp rise from ambient), that is, preheat with coolant in the HIH, then heat further with electric to, say, 115C. would this, then allow one to more safely use SVO in a DI engine? anton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
I have Viennese friends who proudly claim the GWagen as Austrian built. I have a friend with one so I will lift the bonnet to see the manufacturer's plate. Thanks - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 18:40 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Unimog
What it takes to make a Ford into something even remotely approaching the capability of the Unimog...$80,000. Might as well buy off the shelf Unimog, it appears, if you really need that level of off-road ability, that is. If not, just go with the Ford. Reflecting twenty-four years of practical experience exploring the backroads of the World, The Turtle IV, has a replacement value of over $80,000. More than seventy companies are involved in its preparation. Quality, Functional Performance and Absolute Reliability governed all modifications. The basic integrity of the Ford F350 4X4, powered by the dependable International Diesel, was never compromised. http://www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle4.htm Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:27:33 -0500 (EST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re:Unimog Steve, With the Unimog starting price of $84,000 I think I will stick with my F350. It is a bit pricey don't you think? Neal Van Milligen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
Thanks Craig. Others? I am starting a folder on the side of the email program to put these into...??? ;-) EB From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:44:20 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm- Ed, Sign me up for one - for a 4 cyl. Tdi. And thanks, Anton, for pushing development of this new product. Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: It should be possible, but we'll have to prototype one and get back to the group on it in the New Year. This takes time and money every time out, so can I ask for expressions of interest to be emailed to me directly? If we get enough interest in this idea and commitments for at least 20 at $75 US each including relay (plus shipping and applicable taxes), in the next week or two, we'll do our best on pushing it along and get back to those who have committed to them once ready, and ask for payment and actual order at that time. ? Don't say you want one if you're not fairly sure about it though, ok? Thanks! The higher temp. should assist in better droplet formation and hence combustion in the DI engine than would be the case at the lower temp. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Graz. Austria. From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:49:13 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog I have Viennese friends who proudly claim the GWagen as Austrian built. I have a friend with one so I will lift the bonnet to see the manufacturer's plate. Thanks - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 18:40 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
also, at what percentage should one mix the ethanol and how stable is the mix? anton It depends on the engine type (DI or IDI) and the fuel (type of vegoil) to some extent, but in general DI engines, it seems, really should have higher temps, or thinner fuel blends than is required for IDI engines. That's why I posted on the idea of ethanol blending with SVO a few times. That brought the required temp. (in that study, on that DI engine, on rapeseed oil), down from 150¼C to 80¼C. and also gave significant further particulate emissions reductions compared to rapeseed oil alone, already quite a bit lower than petrodiesel. So as we see wider availability of fuel grade ethanol, that will be interesting to follow since it coincides with wider use of DI engines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Latest Alternative Fuel News available on-line
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:02 -0700 (MST) From: Wendy Dafoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Latest Alternative Fuel News available on-line The caller_id: 108386 Thank you for helping us reduce costs by subscribing to the online version of the Alternative Fuel News. The latest issue (Volume 5, Issue 3) has been posted on the Web site. The cover story in this isssue is Alternative Fuel School Buses Earn High Marks. Also in this issue, Biodiesel Expands Availability, and information about National AFV Day. The entire issue is available in pdf and html at: http://www.afdc.doe.gov/documents/altfuelnews/ The 2002 Clean Cities Conference will be held in Okalahoma City at the Myriad Convention Center, May 12-15. Complete conference details are available on the Web at http://www.ccities.doe.gov/okconference.shtml. The Department of Energy's Alternative Fuels Data Center strives to provide you with useful information. All e-mail subscribers to the Alternative Fuel News receive this notice, you do not need to reply to this message in order to subscribe. If you have comments, or would like to end your subscription, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For your information, our Web addresses are: http://www.afdc.doe.gov and http://www.ccities.doe.gov. Happy Holidays, Wendy Dafoe Alternative Fuels Data Center Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Unimog
What it takes to make a Ford into something even remotely approaching the capability of the Unimog...$80,000. Might as well buy off the shelf Unimog, it appears, if you really need that level of off-road ability, that is. If not, just go with the Ford. Reflecting twenty-four years of practical experience exploring the backroads of the World, The Turtle IV, has a replacement value of over $80,000. More than seventy companies are involved in its preparation. Quality, Functional Performance and Absolute Reliability governed all modifications. The basic integrity of the Ford F350 4X4, powered by the dependable International Diesel, was never compromised. http://www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle4.htm Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca I strongly suspect that if the Turtle III had been a Unimog they wouldn't have needed to replace it after only 160,000 miles, no matter how tough the going. As for prices, why buy a new Unimog? Second-hand 404s are reasonably priced and will probably outlast most anything straight out of the showroom that's not a Unimog. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:27:33 -0500 (EST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re:Unimog Steve, With the Unimog starting price of $84,000 I think I will stick with my F350. It is a bit pricey don't you think? Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Why people like SUVs
Sorry. It's a selfish survivalist thing. I feel less guilty about consuming so much energy now that I know that an internal combustion engine doesn't need to be run on petrochemicals. Using bio-fuels, it is possible to run any vehicle by an indirect form of solar energy with technology that is available now. I live in an agricultural state, and I think that biofuels might give a boost to the local farm / ranch economy, which is suffering from low grain prices. Does anybody know which oilseed crop would have the highest yield up here at about 42 degrees North? I'm not sure where 42 degrees north is. It also depends a bit on east to west, I believe. I'm at 48 degrees north, and we can grow sunflowers for oil. There may be other oil crops that can be grown, but there is no market for them. Motie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
I strongly suspect that if the Turtle III had been a Unimog they wouldn't have needed to replace it after only 160,000 miles, no matter how tough the going. As for prices, why buy a new Unimog? Second-hand 404s are reasonably priced and will probably outlast most anything straight out of the showroom that's not a Unimog. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Just for amusement, have you got a link to used Unimogs reasonably priced? I don't really need another lawn ornament. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
9% was the figure stated. I know that emulsifiers or cosolvents are used in blending ethanol with diesel (e-diesel), but not sure about what is used, how much, and stability of ethanol in SVO versus in diesel fuel. Also I am not up on any other engine effects of such use positive or negative, short or long term, so I'd like to know more on it before trying it. The emissions results were sure impressive though, and it did bring the viscosity and DI optimum temp. down (to 80¼C from 150¼C). Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:32:19 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm- also, at what percentage should one mix the ethanol and how stable is the mix? anton It depends on the engine type (DI or IDI) and the fuel (type of vegoil) to some extent, but in general DI engines, it seems, really should have higher temps, or thinner fuel blends than is required for IDI engines. That's why I posted on the idea of ethanol blending with SVO a few times. That brought the required temp. (in that study, on that DI engine, on rapeseed oil), down from 150¼C to 80¼C. and also gave significant further particulate emissions reductions compared to rapeseed oil alone, already quite a bit lower than petrodiesel. So as we see wider availability of fuel grade ethanol, that will be interesting to follow since it coincides with wider use of DI engines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Unimog
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 15:27 Subject: [biofuel] Re:Unimog Steve, With the Unimog starting price of $84,000 I think I will stick with my F350. It is a bit pricey don't you think? Neal Van Milligen A Duce and a Half will set you back around $6000.00 + or -. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - From: Arne P. Ryason Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 20:17 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs I live in an agricultural state, and I think that biofuels might give a boost to the local farm / ranch economy, which is suffering from low grain prices. Does anybody know which oilseed crop would have the highest yield up here at about 42 degrees North? How many growing days do you have? That is the question. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol; virus found on this email attachment
McAfee found CARD.DOC.pif attachment which is an unrepairable virus file. McAfee said PWS-gen.Hooker Virus Found From: Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] ethanol _ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
Have you got a source for one in running condition? With power steering and a cab? Motie A Duce and a Half will set you back around $6000.00 + or -. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
