[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 02/05/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- February 5, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events President's Budget Retains Funds for Efficiency, Renewables President Bush Launches $1.2-Billion Hydrogen Initiative Navy to Demonstrate Potential of Solar-Supplied Hydrogen Los Angeles Proposes to Build a 120-Megawatt Wind Plant Green Power Adopted in North Carolina and Successful in D.C. *Site News DOE Launches Revised EERE Web Site at New Web Address *Energy Facts and Tips Energy Companies Added Significant Oil, Gas Reserves in 2001 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Editor's Note: In coordination with today's launch of the new Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) Web site (see the Site News below), this newsletter takes on a new name, EERE Network News, and a new Web address: http://www.eere.energy.gov/news/. With all those changes, we're also sending this issue out a bit late. We apologize for the delay. President's Budget Retains Funds for Efficiency, Renewables President Bush released his administration's proposed $2.2 trillion federal budget for fiscal year (FY) 2004 on Monday. According to the President, the budget meets the challenges posed by three national priorities: winning the war against terrorism, securing the homeland, and generating long-term economic growth. Despite these three priorities, the budget maintains funding for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs. It assumes enactment of the energy tax incentives proposed in the President's 2003 budget, including tax credits for the use of solar power in residences and for purchases of hybrid electric and fuel cell vehicles. It also proposes a two-year extension in tax credits for electric vehicles, clean-fuel vehicles, and power produced from certain renewable energy sources (the so-called production tax credit). See the budget on the White House Web site at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/. The proposed overall budget for DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) remains nearly steady, increasing about 0.1 percent above the President's request for FY 2003 (the FY 2003 budget has not been finalized, so it is not available for comparison). See page four of the text (page five of the PDF file) of the DOE Budget Request, a 387-KB PDF file, at: http://www.mbe.doe.gov/budget/04budget/content/orgcont.pdf. See also the Energy Supply and Energy Conservation sections of DOE's Budget Highlights, a 3.64-MB PDF file at: http://www.mbe.doe.gov/budget/04budget/content/highlite/highlite.pdf President Bush Launches $1.2-Billion Hydrogen Initiative President Bush announced a $1.2-billion FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative to develop hydrogen-powered fuel cells during his State of the Union speech on January 28th. A single chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen generates energy, which can be used to power a car -- producing only water, not exhaust fumes, said President Bush. With a new national commitment, our scientists and engineers will overcome obstacles to taking these cars from laboratory to showroom, so that the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen, and pollution-free. Read, view, or listen to President Bush's speech on the White House Web site at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html. The FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative will develop the technology needed for commercially viable hydrogen-powered fuel cells to power cars, trucks, homes and businesses. It will include $720 million in new funding over the next five years to develop the technologies and infrastructure needed to produce, store, and distribute hydrogen fuel. It complements the existing FreedomCAR Initiative, which is developing technologies needed for the mass production of safe and affordable fuel cell vehicles. Together, the two initiatives will invest $1.7 billion over the next five years to develop hydrogen-powered fuel cells, hydrogen infrastructure, and advanced automotive technologies. These initiatives will dramatically improve America's energy security by significantly reducing the need for imported oil. See the FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative Web page at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenfuel/. The FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative is part of EERE's Hydrogen, Fuel Cells, and Infrastructure Technologies Program. See the new program Web site at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/. Navy to Demonstrate Potential of Solar-Supplied Hydrogen Proton Energy Systems
[biofuels-biz] Ethanol quote
We can get fuel from fruit, from the sumac by the roadside, or from apples, weeds, saw dust; almost anything. There is enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to cultivate that field for a hundred years. And it remains for someone to find how this fuel can be produced commercially -- better fuel at a better price than we now know. -Henry Ford- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost
Hi David, You are correct that they do not have extra fuel beyond the plan for the mission (they do carry some % of extra just as airlines do for a small contingency reserve) but in this case if they had known that the shuttle was not safe to return to earth they would still have the Retro Burn fuel which is substantial and I believe it would be plenty to have made the adjustments to orbit needed to rendezvous with the Intl. Space Station. Note I said rendezvous not dock as it was pointed out yesterday that they did not carry a docking adapter. It would not have been fun but they could have parked very near the space station and the current space station crew has the EVA suits and jet packs that would have permitted the crew to be moved from the shuttle to the space station in their Pumpkin Suits. They would have to disconnect from life support at the shuttle and live on the trapped air in the suit for the few minutes it would take to move them from the shuttle to the space station. Yes this would be very much out of the box thinking similar to what was used to save the Apollo crew when their ship had the major blow out. Interestingly the then largest problem would be finding a way to safely move the shutle away from the space station and then to find a way to have it deorbit on its own to reduce the space junk problem caused by this large a vehical. Have a good day. Best regards, Vern I believe that they dont take a bunch of extra fuel around just in case they need to get to any object in the earths orbit. Its not like they can just fill up at a station along the way. although this is interesting, they could leave refueling items at various places in orbit, should this need to happen. I don't know about how long items can stay there like that, or if that is really safe though.. a bunch of things waiting to go off like that They are at different altitudes and different locations.Ê If they arent going to take a jet pack for emergencies because of the extra fuel involved, I don't think they will bring along a large amount of extra fuel, just in case. Also, they had already been up there quite a while.Ê They take along X amount of Air also.bringing alot of extra costs a lot. just my two cents.. but then again,, I am no rocket scientist. And even then.. this is assuming that they knew there was a real issue.Ê if they *did* i am certain they would have had 'last messages' etc.. just in case they didnt make it. and I dont beleive they can just flop another shuttle up there on a days notice, even if one was not currently being inspected for things, being upgraded..etc. Message: 10 ÊÊ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:22:54 +0300 ÊÊ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost If they had determined in space that the Shuttle was not safe to return to earth the move would have been to send them to the Intl. Space Station where they could have docked and just sat it out until we could send a different shuttle to get most of them and if there were still two left up there in the Intl. Space Station they could be brought back in one of the Russian ships as they have three seats and can be flown by one person. They may also have been able to stay until the second shuttle arrival if that was determined to be the better solution. Keeping in mind that if the Columbia had been determined to be unsafe in space we may not have felt that it was required to ground the fleet until we have clear answers as to what the cause is and we would know the problem and cause from the information that was developed to determine that they should not try the reentry in it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie
This sort of stuff has been around for ages. It is also used in the steel fabrication industry to cut steel. If memory serves me correctly, in some situations ground industrial diamond is also added to the water for that little extra zing. I have not seen this operation in use personally but the people who have told me about it say that the cut is better than any other method, flame, saw etc. Andrew On 6 Feb 2003 at 5:53, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an out of print book Novel Drilling Technoques that in the second edition talks about cutting sandstone at several meters per second with liquid pressures of that magnitude. Granite I think was 7cm per second if memory serves. Obscure technology. Anyway, you can lose a lot more than just soft tissue. Even a couple hundred psi can inject you like a hypodermic needle. Probably wouldn't be a good thing to happen. Kirk I did some experimentation last winter for a technology development company, using high pressure water to cut wood. At a lower pressure, the water can be used to easily and cleanly remove the bark,(which contains contaminants) then turn the pressure up to thinly slice the wood, removing water soluble extracts. Non-disclosure agreements won't allow further details. Sorry. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie
Motie, High pressure water was commonly used to debark logs in sawmills the US until about 1970 when environmental regulations limited water discharge. Since then most all hydraulic debarkers have disappeared in favor of mechanical debarkers because of the high cost of cleaning the water prior to discharge. It was a clean and efficient method of debarking with very little fiber loss. Tom - Original Message - From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an out of print book Novel Drilling Technoques that in the second edition talks about cutting sandstone at several meters per second with liquid pressures of that magnitude. Granite I think was 7cm per second if memory serves. Obscure technology. Anyway, you can lose a lot more than just soft tissue. Even a couple hundred psi can inject you like a hypodermic needle. Probably wouldn't be a good thing to happen. Kirk I did some experimentation last winter for a technology development company, using high pressure water to cut wood. At a lower pressure, the water can be used to easily and cleanly remove the bark,(which contains contaminants) then turn the pressure up to thinly slice the wood, removing water soluble extracts. Non-disclosure agreements won't allow further details. Sorry. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 02/05/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- February 5, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events President's Budget Retains Funds for Efficiency, Renewables President Bush Launches $1.2-Billion Hydrogen Initiative Navy to Demonstrate Potential of Solar-Supplied Hydrogen Los Angeles Proposes to Build a 120-Megawatt Wind Plant Green Power Adopted in North Carolina and Successful in D.C. *Site News DOE Launches Revised EERE Web Site at New Web Address *Energy Facts and Tips Energy Companies Added Significant Oil, Gas Reserves in 2001 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Editor's Note: In coordination with today's launch of the new Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) Web site (see the Site News below), this newsletter takes on a new name, EERE Network News, and a new Web address: http://www.eere.energy.gov/news/. With all those changes, we're also sending this issue out a bit late. We apologize for the delay. President's Budget Retains Funds for Efficiency, Renewables President Bush released his administration's proposed $2.2 trillion federal budget for fiscal year (FY) 2004 on Monday. According to the President, the budget meets the challenges posed by three national priorities: winning the war against terrorism, securing the homeland, and generating long-term economic growth. Despite these three priorities, the budget maintains funding for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs. It assumes enactment of the energy tax incentives proposed in the President's 2003 budget, including tax credits for the use of solar power in residences and for purchases of hybrid electric and fuel cell vehicles. It also proposes a two-year extension in tax credits for electric vehicles, clean-fuel vehicles, and power produced from certain renewable energy sources (the so-called production tax credit). See the budget on the White House Web site at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/. The proposed overall budget for DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) remains nearly steady, increasing about 0.1 percent above the President's request for FY 2003 (the FY 2003 budget has not been finalized, so it is not available for comparison). See page four of the text (page five of the PDF file) of the DOE Budget Request, a 387-KB PDF file, at: http://www.mbe.doe.gov/budget/04budget/content/orgcont.pdf. See also the Energy Supply and Energy Conservation sections of DOE's Budget Highlights, a 3.64-MB PDF file at: http://www.mbe.doe.gov/budget/04budget/content/highlite/highlite.pdf President Bush Launches $1.2-Billion Hydrogen Initiative President Bush announced a $1.2-billion FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative to develop hydrogen-powered fuel cells during his State of the Union speech on January 28th. A single chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen generates energy, which can be used to power a car -- producing only water, not exhaust fumes, said President Bush. With a new national commitment, our scientists and engineers will overcome obstacles to taking these cars from laboratory to showroom, so that the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen, and pollution-free. Read, view, or listen to President Bush's speech on the White House Web site at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html. The FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative will develop the technology needed for commercially viable hydrogen-powered fuel cells to power cars, trucks, homes and businesses. It will include $720 million in new funding over the next five years to develop the technologies and infrastructure needed to produce, store, and distribute hydrogen fuel. It complements the existing FreedomCAR Initiative, which is developing technologies needed for the mass production of safe and affordable fuel cell vehicles. Together, the two initiatives will invest $1.7 billion over the next five years to develop hydrogen-powered fuel cells, hydrogen infrastructure, and advanced automotive technologies. These initiatives will dramatically improve America's energy security by significantly reducing the need for imported oil. See the FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative Web page at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenfuel/. The FreedomCAR and Fuel Initiative is part of EERE's Hydrogen, Fuel Cells, and Infrastructure Technologies Program. See the new program Web site at: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/. Navy to Demonstrate Potential of Solar-Supplied Hydrogen Proton Energy Systems
[biofuel] Water cutting
snip PS: Water cutting is not considered an obscure technology as it is widely used in precision cutting of hard materials. A polymer is added to the water and sometimes an abrasive. The cutting tip is a saphire with a small hole in it- and it is NOISY!! Blessings, Joe :-). Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
Hey I hope i didnt come across badly in earlier post. I was just trying to say that political systems are different. I dont think one is designed more than another to let one in who 'didnt really win' If you take various other democracies, say you have 4 main runners. one gets 40 one gets 30 one gets 20 and the other 10. Some systems may 'give' victory to the 40% winner flatout. Others will say that 'no one had a majority, so lets keep the top two and rerun. In the above the third and 4th could have been offshoots of the 2nd guy's party, so those voters will now vote for the second guy.Now all of a sudden, the second guys wins 60-40. assuming no one else 'shows up to vote, and didn't vote the first time' Now.. I can see how people representing the first guy might feel 'robbed' of victory, but that is the way it works. If he had just won the first time with 51%, he wouldnt have been robbed. they are just different.. but they all have rules layed out ahead of time... thanks. RE: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!??? From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie
Hey Motie, How long is that Non-disclosure in effect? I like the idea of not using a dirty / messy chain saw. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 22:53 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie I did some experimentation last winter for a technology development company, using high pressure water to cut wood. At a lower pressure, the water can be used to easily and cleanly remove the bark,(which contains contaminants) then turn the pressure up to thinly slice the wood, removing water soluble extracts. Non-disclosure agreements won't allow further details. Sorry. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] high pressure fluids----------Introduction and so me questions - Newbie
Here is something about high pressue and dangers.. This is a video taken in 6000 feet of water. An undersea robot is sawing a 3mm wide slit (1/10th of an inch ... remember that width) in a pipeline. The pressure inside the pipeline is 0 psig, while the pressure outside is 2700 psi, or 1.3 tons per square inch. Then a crab comes along http://crustacea.nhm.org/~dean2/crabvspipe1.mpg dont be a crab heh.. and no jokes from you mean peeples :) Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:49:49 -0700 From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Introduction and some questions - Newbie There is an out of print book Novel Drilling Technoques that in the second edition talks about cutting sandstone at several meters per second with liquid pressures of that magnitude. Granite I think was 7cm per second if memory serves. Obscure technology. Anyway, you can lose a lot more than just soft tissue. Even a couple hundred psi can inject you like a hypodermic needle. Probably wouldn't be a good thing to happen. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10562 The Election Story Never Told Greg Palast, MediaChannel.org March 6, 2001 Here's how the president of the United States was elected: In the months leading up to the November balloting, Florida Governor Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, ordered local elections supervisors to purge 64,000 voters from voter lists on the grounds that they were felons who were not entitled to vote in Florida. As it turns out, these voters weren't felons, or at least, only a very few were. However, the voters on this scrub list were, notably, African-American (about 54 percent), while most of the others wrongly barred from voting were white and Hispanic Democrats. Beginning in November, this extraordinary news ran, as it should, on Page 1 of the country's leading paper. Unfortunately, it was in the wrong country: Britain. In the United States, it ran on page zero -- that is, the story was not covered on the news pages. The theft of the presidential race in Florida also was given big television network coverage. But again, it was on the wrong continent: on BBC television, London. Was this some off-the-wall story that the Brits misreported? A lawyer for the U.S. Civil Rights Commission called it the first hard evidence of a systematic attempt to disenfranchise black voters; the commission held dramatic hearings on the evidence. While the story was absent from America's news pages (except, I grant, a story in the Orlando Sentinel and another on C-Span), columnists for The New York Times, Boston Globe and Washington Post cited the story after seeing a U.S. version on the Internet magazine Salon.com. As the reporter on the story for Britain's Guardian newspaper (and its Sunday edition, The Observer) and for BBC television, I was interviewed on several American radio programs, generally alternative stations on the left side of the dial. Interviewers invariably asked the same two questions, Why was this story uncovered by a British reporter? And, Why was it published in and broadcast from Europe? I'd like to know the answer myself. That way I could understand why I had to move my family to Europe in order to print and broadcast this and other crucial stories about the American body politic in mainstream media. The bigger question is not about the putative brilliance of the British press. I'd rather ask how a hundred thousand U.S. journos failed to get the vote theft story and print it (and preferably before the election). Think about investigative reporting. The best investigative stories are expensive to produce, risky and upset the wisdom of the established order. Do profit-conscious enterprises, whether media companies or widget firms, seek extra costs, extra risk and the opportunity to be attacked? Not in any business text I've ever read. I can't help but note that the Guardian and Observer is the world's only leading newspaper owned by a not-for-profit corporation, as is BBC television. But if profit-lust is the ultimate problem blocking significant investigative reportage, the more immediate cause of comatose coverage of the election and other issues is what is laughably called America's journalistic culture. If the Rupert Murdochs of the globe are shepherds of the new world order, they owe their success to breeding a flock of docile sheep, the editors and reporters snoozy and content with munching on, digesting, then reprinting a diet of press releases and canned stories provided by officials and corporation public relations operations. Take this story of the list of Florida's faux felons that cost Al Gore the election. Shortly after the UK and Salon stories hit the worldwide web, I was contacted by a CBS network news producer ready to run their own version of the story. The CBS hotshot was happy to pump me for information: names, phone numbers, all the items one needs for a quickie TV story. I also freely offered up to CBS this information: The office of the governor of Florida, brother of the Republican presidential candidate, had illegally ordered the removal of the names of felons from voter rolls -- real felons, but with the right to vote under Florida law. As a result, thousands of these legal voters, almost all Democrats, would not be allowed to vote. One problem: I had not quite completed my own investigation on this matter. Therefore CBS would have to do some actual work, reviewing documents and law, and obtaining statements. The next day I received a call from the producer, who said, I'm sorry, but your story didn't hold up. Well, how did the multibillion-dollar CBS network determine this? Why, we called Jeb Bush's office. Oh. And that was it. I wasn't surprised by this type of investigation. It is, in fact, standard operating procedure for the little lambs of American journalism. One good, slick explanation from a politician or corporate chieftain and it's case closed,
Re: [biofuel] high pressure fluids----------Introduction and some questions - Newbie
Cool viedo! Greg H. - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 09:27 Subject: RE: [biofuel] high pressure fluids--Introduction and some questions - Newbie Here is something about high pressue and dangers.. This is a video taken in 6000 feet of water. An undersea robot is sawing a 3mm wide slit (1/10th of an inch ... remember that width) in a pipeline. The pressure inside the pipeline is 0 psig, while the pressure outside is 2700 psi, or 1.3 tons per square inch. Then a crab comes along http://crustacea.nhm.org/~dean2/crabvspipe1.mpg dont be a crab heh.. and no jokes from you mean peeples :) Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:49:49 -0700 From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Introduction and some questions - Newbie There is an out of print book Novel Drilling Technoques that in the second edition talks about cutting sandstone at several meters per second with liquid pressures of that magnitude. Granite I think was 7cm per second if memory serves. Obscure technology. Anyway, you can lose a lot more than just soft tissue. Even a couple hundred psi can inject you like a hypodermic needle. Probably wouldn't be a good thing to happen. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol to Africa
I need to get between 5,000 and 10,000 liters of methanol per month to Banjul, The Gambia, West Africa, for a Biodiesel project. I've tried to contact a number of methanol producers in the U.S. and Europe, but I've been told that the quantity I need is too small for them to deal with, or that they don't ship to that region. Any suggestions? Tim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] washingtonpost.com: Effort Stalls To Pump Up Ethanol Use
a local TV station did a similar report -- you can see the video here: http://cf.nbc4.com/dc/sh/videoplayer/video.cfm?ID=1960251owner=dc I wish either of them would have been a bit more specific about what makes a vehicle suitable for using this fuel! It is interesting that 2 of the 3 pumps in the DC area seem to be restricted to military only (based on the locations of the 2 pumps, and the reference to the third pump being open to the public, which implies that the others are not). http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32480-2003Feb5?language=printer washingtonpost.com Effort Stalls To Pump Up Ethanol Use Group Finds Slow Going For Grain-Based Fuel By Annie Gowen Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, February 6, 2003; Page HO06 The first gas station pump in Maryland to dispense clean-burning ethanol -- a fuel made largely from corn or other grains -- opened in Laurel to great fanfare in November 2001. More than a year later, however, the pump is rarely used by motorists and has broken three times. It's been slow going, said Lynne Hoot, executive director of the Maryland Grain Producers Association, part of a group of farmers and environmentalists pushing for greater use of ethanol in the Washington region. So far, Hoot and others said, their campaign has been hindered by administrative glitches, lack of public awareness and resistance from major oil companies. In the last two years, the Grain Producers Association has obtained $330,000 in federal energy grants, plus $330,000 in state funds and other private donations, to support the ethanol effort in the region. The group had hoped to have 10 pumps in place in the Baltimore-Washington region by the end of last year. So far, though, there are only three: the one in Laurel, at Fort Meade Service Center in the 3200 block of Laurel Fort Meade Road; one at Navy Exchange Gas Station in the 800 block of South Joyce Street in Arlington County; and one run by Montgomery County and open to the public at the county's transportation depot in the 16600 block of Crabbs Branch Way in Rockville. Another is set to open this month at Citgo Quik Mart in the 2000 block of West Street in Annapolis, and pumps are planned in the District and Baltimore. More than 500,000 newer-model cars in the Washington region can run on ethanol fuel -- which mixes alcohol made from the corn and other grains with a small percentage of gasoline -- but the same vehicles also run on gasoline. Most owners of these eco-friendly cars fill their tanks at regular gasoline pumps because of the scarcity of ethanol pumps, said Jill Hamilton, an energy consultant to the Maryland farm group. Despite the problems, sales of the fuel have increased, Hamilton said. The amount of ethanol sold at the Citgo station in Arlington has increased from 1,000 gallons a month three years ago to 2,600 a month last year. The Laurel and Rockville stations have held steady at 5,000 and 2,000 gallons a month, respectively, Hamilton said. Since the 1970s, environmental activists, farmers and politicians from Corn Belt states have touted ethanol as an ecologically friendly alternative to gasoline. Congress began offering tax incentives to automakers for building cars using alternative power sources -- such as electricity or ethanol -- in the late 1980s. Although small percentages of ethanol have been blended into gasoline for years, the first fuel made of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline was introduced in 1993. Proponents tout ethanol as a naturally renewable resource that is produced domestically and reduces pollution and dependence on foreign oil. But the fuel is costly, with prices here ranging from 20 cents to 37 cents more per gallon than gasoline. It is available at just 120 locations in the United States. Environmental benefits of ethanol are widely debated. Critics say the production of ethanol wastes energy and is costly. They say the product's long-term viability is doubtful, especially as automakers explore other types of fuel-efficient cars, such as hybrid gas and electric models and cars that run on hydrogen fuel cells. In their group's quest to find station owners willing to install ethanol pumps, Hoot and Hamilton said, it had to focus on a small number of independently owned stations, because major oil companies were not interested. Oil industry experts say ethanol is not a proven moneymaker. In addition, many stations do not have storage capacity for more pumps, according to Peter Horrigan, president of the Mid- Atlantic Petroleum Distributors Association. The effort to market ethanol also has been complicated by the fact that most ethanol is made in the Midwest. Problems related to licensing and bonding agreements tied up Maryland's ethanol shipments for three months last year, Hamilton said, and the new pumps went dry. Ethanol proponents say they would like to see an ethanol production plant in Maryland within
Re: [biofuel] Methanol CA?
ERC Racing in San Lorenzo. Anyone have a source in the south bay? On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Ken wrote: Can anyone point me to a source for Methanol in sunny California??? Thanks, Ken Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: ethical ethanol was RE: [biofuel] Methanol CA?
Wow!! I just called Parallel Products to get a quote on a 55 gal drum, how funny!! Haven't gotten a response yet, put hoping to soon. James Slayden On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Ken Provost wrote: On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:19 AM, girl mark wrote: the ethanol bulk buy is Ken Provost's project (listmember here as well as at the Burnveggies list...). It's an interesting one but be aware that ethanol is not super useful for complete beginners- ethanol is much harder to work predictably with than methanol. the ethanol supplier that Ken Provost wanted to bulk-buy from is in your L.A. neck of the woods , though- they are a sort of recycler- they make fuel ethanol out of old distressed juice and out of date medicine and other industrial waste. Yeah! Ken (Ken Provost that is), do you wanna elaborate on that and give the name of the company (I've erased it)? Arrggghh! I think everyone else must've also -- I guess I'll just have to go down there by myself (but I'll only be able to bring back one or two drums, and I WON'T SHARE! :-) Anyway, it's Parallel Products in Rancho Cucamonga -- great folks, but I've started worrying about that one gallon of gasoline in every 50 gal. of ethanol (that's their denaturant -- it's called fuel-grade ethanol, and it's what everyone else uses too for that grade). Especially if I sewer or compost my glycerine before recovering alcohol -- I know a goodly portion of the gasoline stays with the ethanol.. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol CA?
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 10:27 AM, James Slayden wrote: ERC Racing in San Lorenzo. Anyone have a source in the south bay? I get mine at Kaeding Performance in Campbell. More expensive ($2.75 - 3.00 a gallon), but convenient. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol CA?
That Rocks Ken!! Thanks. Right outside my back door. On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Ken Provost wrote: On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 10:27 AM, James Slayden wrote: ERC Racing in San Lorenzo. Anyone have a source in the south bay? I get mine at Kaeding Performance in Campbell. More expensive ($2.75 - 3.00 a gallon), but convenient. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water cutting
it is also used to cut bread , and no it does not make it soggy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip PS: Water cutting is not considered an obscure technology as it is widely used in precision cutting of hard materials. A polymer is added to the water and sometimes an abrasive. The cutting tip is a saphire with a small hole in it- and it is NOISY!! Blessings, Joe :-). Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles
Steve, What do you find unscientific about the air car? thor --- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:42:14 -0500 From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles Don't confuse the believers with science ;-) Steve Spence __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
Hakan, I agree with most of what you say. Yes Hitler came to power democratically, but that is NOT the same thing as saying that Nazi Germany was democratic. You emphasized the democratic nature of Fascist Italy and Germany in an earlier post, and I believe you wrote that they had elections up until the outbreak of war. That is what I was really disagreeing with. With regards to Nazi air support for the Russians during the Winter War, that might make for an interesting article in a history journal. I have never heard of that before. I asked my father, who almost went to Finland in 39-40 as a Danish volunteer but couldn't get there before the war ended, about that, and he had never heard that either. You might have an historical nugget on your hands. Best, Thor Message: 16 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 04:02:13 +0100 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!??? Dear Thor, I am familiar with this and more, but if you go through democratic systems, without direct or proportional representation, the wrong guy can come to power and this without representing the popular vote. US have such a system and the current president is an example on that. It is true that the Nazis and Hitler hijacked the democracy, I have never claimed anything else, The fact is however that he came to power trough democratic vote and in a democracy. Sharon in Israel have roughly the same popular base as Hitler had in the beginning. It is many other factors to consider in the German history. Among them the piece in Versailles who was enormously stupid and the major reason for creating an environment were such a sick person as Hitler could be seen as a salvation. He also became dictator by democratic means, as you rightfully pointed out. Why Hitler got his powers was because of the terrorist acts that history show was engineered by the Nazis themselves. I think that it was an early version of Homeland defence. Yes, the industrialists saw Hitler as a fairly dumb puppet. That made them underestimate him and they thought that he would deliver, which he also partly did. It is good that you clarified the history a bit and it is a lot more to it. Please read what you wrote a couple of times and draw some parallels with things that happens in some of todays democracies. You will see the picture also and understand why I am worried. I am not saying that it will develop along the same lines, only that it is similarities. If you read what I am saying, you have to agree that Hitler came into power in a democracy. He got his power by democratic means and in a crisis situation, which could be extended by the war situation that the country was in. Yes, it was German resistance and I have even met some of them when I was young in the 50's. Friends of my mother, from the time 1936 to 1937, when she studied in Munich. It was a much larger resistance to Hitler among intellectuals and students than todays history implies. Historic judgements and evaluations can always be made and balanced ones starts to be accepted not until around 100 years after the events. It is difficult to judge before that. I have a mother in law who, during the Spanish civil war, refused to dance with the commander of the socialist forces (not Franco, but the good guys according my Swedish history). The day after, her 16 year old brother was arrested and executed, without any reasons or political involvement. Hakan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Africa 'turns from leaded petrol' vs Air car factory in South Africa
This link was first posted to the list on 25 October 2000, the day following the story's dateline. There was a lot of discussion of it then. [...] The Air Car is coming - its taking longer than we hoped - but its coming ! Don't we just keep hearing this? Just around the corner, it only needs a few more million/billion... Exactly. As Steve has said, time will tell, except that it could be said that over the last 2.5 years, for now, time has told. Zip. Where the heck is it? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water cutting
There is a sculptor in upper Connecticut who uses a water cutter to cut the steel pieces to form his designs. I've visited him and these are pretty cool. http://www.deniscurtisssculptor.com/ --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Robby Davenport [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Water cutting it is also used to cut bread , and no it does not make it soggy. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
