[biofuels-biz] Re: [evworld] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:50:25 -0800, you wrote: James Slayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for the price of gas in the US rising to European prices, so then it will give biofuels a chance. I'd rather it be a conscious decision rather than the economic wreckage we'd all experience with really high oil prices - after all right now, biodiesel is about 1/3 the cost of petroleum diesel right now, yes? James and I others have been discussing this off and on in a couple of heavy-traffic groups called biofuel and biofuel-biz that you can join here, depending on your areas of interest. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/?yguid=109391995 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/?yguid=109391995 I think I also have some confusion as to the cost of biodiesel, but my working take on it is: 1. If you make it entirely on your own, get the best possible deals on waste from restauraunts, etc., you can get your costs below $1.00 per gallon (maybe even well below that), so then, yes, your answer would be about right. 2. The present retail price of biodiesel at the pump can be taken from a couple of places we've been discussing in the northern California area and is about $2.75 per gallon. I'm not sure how we get from under $1.00 per gallon to nearly $3.00 per gallon, how much of that is increased raw materials cost, labor and other overhead, taxes, transport, etc. While this retail price seems high when so many do-it-yourselfers have been extolling to us the very low costs of making biodiesel, I think it's a real triumph to be able to say you can go buy it at thus-and-such station, with no hassle so the higher cost to me was a secondary matter that can perhaps be discussed going forward. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
Dear Keith and Prof. Allen, I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant (100 l) to produce ethanol based biodiesel. I have read a lot of information in the archives and the Journey to Forever site about of troubles when dealing with ethanol and the same old question is back: if ethanol is used, it is better to change the catalyst from NaOH to KOH. However, even in this case, success is not guaranteed as the separation between glycerine and ester may not occur. The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). There is no clear explanation about why glycerol does not separate well or what can be done to avoid it (without mixing methanol). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! Does anybody know a paper which explains in details the chemical reasons of separation problems (or any additive to help it). I have in hands a brazilian handbook to produce biodiesel from several brazilian vegetable oils. It was written in 1985!!! In all recipes, biodiesel is successfully made by mixing reactants in the following proportions: 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with 1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120¼C and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60¼C, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. Does anybody know the basis of this method? Is it a too old method? Thank you for your future comments. Murilo D.M. Innocentini Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: ethanol biodiesel
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:48:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel Murilo writes: The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120¼C and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60¼C, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for methanol, but I would use twice as much NaOH for ethanol, and KOH would be better still. All that said, I don't think I'd have much trouble with refined oil (what's acidic index mean in terms of % FFA?) and anhydrous ethanol. The problem comes when you try to use waste oil and ethanol that have water contamination. -K Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
Hello Murilo Dear Keith and Prof. Allen, I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant (100 l) to produce ethanol based biodiesel. I have read a lot of information in the archives and the Journey to Forever site about of troubles when dealing with ethanol and the same old question is back: if ethanol is used, it is better to change the catalyst from NaOH to KOH. However, even in this case, success is not guaranteed as the separation between glycerine and ester may not occur. The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). There is no clear explanation about why glycerol does not separate well or what can be done to avoid it (without mixing methanol). So mix methanol, you're still using 80% less. And use good oil. He does tell you how to avoid it. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! Does anybody know a paper which explains in details the chemical reasons of separation problems (or any additive to help it). I have in hands a brazilian handbook to produce biodiesel from several brazilian vegetable oils. It was written in 1985!!! In all recipes, biodiesel is successfully made by mixing reactants in the following proportions: 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with 1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120¼C and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60¼C, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. Does anybody know the basis of this method? Is it a too old method? So did you try it or not? Keith Thank you for your future comments. Murilo D.M. Innocentini Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: ethanol biodiesel
Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for methanol, but I would use twice as much NaOH for ethanol, and KOH would be better still. All that said, I don't think I'd have much trouble with refined oil (what's acidic index mean in terms of % FFA?) and anhydrous ethanol. The problem comes when you try to use waste oil and ethanol that have water contamination. -K Dear Ken, Thank you for coming to discussion. In fact, the salt mixed with the oil is sodium carbonate, and I think they use it to retain possible water in form of bicarbonates, which would not affect the reaction efficiency. But the whole question is the miscibility between ester and glycerine. Apparently, the point of using HCl is to enhance phase separation, which I don't know if it is true. As Keith has asked me, I haven't tried it yet, since it is difficult to me try every goodrecipe found in the net. For instance, the Idaho group claims that washing can be carried out without previous glycerol separation. On the other hand, you say that without glycerol separation we hardly get any good product (in fact mostly soap). I have recently found in the biofuels archives someone who had the same problem: no double phase and only one soapy white product during washing. And in my case, I used the Idaho recipe exactly: for each liter of oil, 0.2738 times the volume of alcool (5:1 ratio EtOH - oil) and volume oil/85 for the mass of KOH catalyst (1.43 wt% - basis oil). It did not work at all for phase separation!! You suggested me to use twice the amount of catalyst when dealing with ethanol (the recipe which I used says 3.5 g/liter of oil). Well, it menas then twice the amount of catalyst used in the method proposed by the Idaho group for ethanol, which is easily available for newcomers in the Jorney to Forever site!! Do you rely on their recipe or not? What is wrong? Best wishes, Murilo Daniel Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] EU Biofuels Legislation Set to Include Pure Plant Oil Ammendments
Looks as if the lobbying efforts to have a more prominent position for pure plant oil will be paid off. Well done everybody who was involved in pushing this. Pity the targets ended up voluntary. However this gives a good foundation for SVO (or PPO) advocates to work from. Darren Hill -Original Message- From: Woodland B.V. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 March 2003 15:53 To: castan.lako Subject: biobrandstoffen.jan mulder.doc Dear Pure Plant Oil Friends, Please find attached a press release by Dutch MEP Jan Mulder who together with his European parliament members has strongly supported us in our efforts to get P.P.O. officially listed on the list of biofuels for the forthcoming European legislation on biofuels for transport purposes. Quote: EUROPEAN LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS JAN MULDER MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT Pressrelease Jan Mulder (VVD) (12-03-2003) European Parliament supports EU targets for the use of biofuels for transport The European Parliament adopted today the European targets that 5,75 % of the transport fuels upto the year 2010 should consist of biofuels. It represents a compromise with the Council of Ministers stating that these indicative targets only under specific circumstances can be altered by the memberstates.According to the agreement already in 2005 , 2 % of the market should consist of biofuels upto 5,75 in 2010. It took quite some time for a legislation on biofuels. Liberal/Democrat Jan Mulder : Biofuels are offering big advantages for the environment and the European agriculture. Now finally we are getting somewhere. I would have appreciated mandatory blending, but this is a first good step. Also an amendment of Jan Mulder and his collegues was adopted to acknowledge Pure Plant Oil as biofuel.This biofuel is not blended with conventional fuels, but can be used in pure form in modified dieselengines. It is expected , on short notice, that the Council of Ministers will approve this European directive at the same time with a directive for voluntary taxexempt on biofuels. Unquote regards The Aberson's/solaroilsystems/Friesland/Netherlands Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
I am looking into different crops and oil costs as well. I did some checking on Sunflower oil but the numbers were discourageing. For 23 metric tons of crude Sunflower oil the cost is 960.00 US dollars PER metric ton. Or 22080.00 US dollars. 23 Metric tons is 48,000 pounds. That translates roughly into 6857 gallons, you do the math! Anyone have any suggestions on what oils I might look into that are more cost effective? -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=858672942 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
The price of Dinodiesel in Texas right now is 1.70 per gallon. -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:22 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper than the diesel at the pump. The heating oil is better to compare with, as I have done. Because the low taxation in US for automotive use, it might be the same thing. Distributor pricing in large quantities for production of biodiesel must be an other deal, since I heard that biodiesel at the pump is around $3 +/- 10% per gallon. In Europe the heating oil is now between 55 cents to 80 cents, depending on country, which is in parity with biodiesel and veg oil with same taxes. Buying rape seed and cold press it give a substantially lower cost for the veg oil and with commercial conversion to biodiesel give a price around 55 cents per liter and 55-70 cents depending on taxation. This with 10 years depreciation of investments and minimum 1.5 million liter production per year. Net profit 10-15%. At current heating oil prices it is close to parity between BD and DD. Hakan At 04:50 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=321727885 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech:
Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper than the diesel at the pump. The heating oil is better to compare with, as I have done. Because the low taxation in US for automotive use, it might be the same thing. Distributor pricing in large quantities for production of biodiesel must be an other deal, since I heard that biodiesel at the pump is around $3 +/- 10% per gallon. In Europe the heating oil is now between 55 cents to 80 cents, depending on country, which is in parity with biodiesel and veg oil with same taxes. Buying rape seed and cold press it give a substantially lower cost for the veg oil and with commercial conversion to biodiesel give a price around 55 cents per liter and 55-70 cents depending on taxation. This with 10 years depreciation of investments and minimum 1.5 million liter production per year. Net profit 10-15%. At current heating oil prices it is close to parity between BD and DD. Hakan At 04:50 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
I do. Can you guess? Keith Addison wrote: From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Awareness Day- March 18th, Santa Rosa, CA
Biodieselers in a few communities are celebrating March 18th as international biodiesel awareness day. The Santa Rosa California/Sonoma County biodiesel community is hosting the following event. Special thanks to the Colorado biodiesel folk who instigated the whole March 18th idea... Tuesday, March 18th Join the Bay Area biofuels community in celebrating the 145th birthday of Rudolph Diesel and the First Annual International BioDiesel Veggie-Fuel Awareness Day! Dr. Diesel first presented his engine to the public at the 1898 Exhibition Fair in Paris running on peanut oil! The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and coal tar products of the present time. ~ Rudolph Diesel, German Engineer - 1912 6:00pm ~ Snack on foods highlighting the wide variety of oil sources ~ Live music by Jeff Falconer, Sonoma singer-songwriter offering his own heartfelt, often-humorous tunes (CDÕs available!) ~ Tables hosted by local organizations ~ Schmooze party with others in the biofuels community 7:00p ~ Satirical social commentary by Jeff Falconer 7:15p ~ Cinema ala Veggie-Power - Fat of the Land In response to petroleum dependence in the United States, five women sought to prove that fuel resources can be as accessible as the burger joint down the street. The Lard Car is an ordinary, unmodified diesel van powered by distilled vegetable oil, known as biodiesel, which they made using a simple do-it-yourself chemical procedure. Join this intrepid band on their historic and sometimes hilarious 1995 cross-country journey. Beginning in New York state and heading westward, the gals stop at greasy spoons, fish fry stands and hamburger joints, asking for leftover kitchen grease to fuel the vehicle. And like any road trip across the U.S., there are plenty of side-trips through the nation's heart and soul. 8:15p ~ Biofuels Panel Discussion, Emcee Lindsay Hassett, with: - 'girl Mark', Berkeley Biodiesel Collective DIY/Skillshare - Kumar Plocher, Yokayo Biofuels in Ukiah, CA - Mark Armstrong, SRJC Alternative Fuels Instructor Mobile Diesel Mechanic - Rusty Davis, Biofuels Research Cooperative This event is a membership drive and fundraiser for the SoCo BioDiesel Co-op. ItÕs FREE, but donations will be enthusiastically accepted! The SoCo Biodiesel Co-op is a new community-based organization whose mission is to promote, produce, and provide vegetable-oil based fuel. The co-opÕs central goals are to educate the public and policy-makers regarding biofuels--specifically biodiesel; foster cooperative ventures in this field; and to encourage and ease the transition from fossil fuels to alternative fuels. New College of California/North Bay Campus 99 Sixth Street (@ Wilson), near Railroad Square, 1 block north of AÕRoma Roasters Santa Rosa, CA 95401 For more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 707-431-7837 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
$1.88 here in NJ. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel The price of Dinodiesel in Texas right now is 1.70 per gallon. -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:22 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper than the diesel at the pump. The heating oil is better to compare with, as I have done. Because the low taxation in US for automotive use, it might be the same thing. Distributor pricing in large quantities for production of biodiesel must be an other deal, since I heard that biodiesel at the pump is around $3 +/- 10% per gallon. In Europe the heating oil is now between 55 cents to 80 cents, depending on country, which is in parity with biodiesel and veg oil with same taxes. Buying rape seed and cold press it give a substantially lower cost for the veg oil and with commercial conversion to biodiesel give a price around 55 cents per liter and 55-70 cents depending on taxation. This with 10 years depreciation of investments and minimum 1.5 million liter production per year. Net profit 10-15%. At current heating oil prices it is close to parity between BD and DD. Hakan At 04:50 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17050641 89:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp ?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=321727885 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech:
Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
3.22 / gallon is about what we paid today in 4.3 gallon quantities. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I am looking into different crops and oil costs as well. I did some checking on Sunflower oil but the numbers were discourageing. For 23 metric tons of crude Sunflower oil the cost is 960.00 US dollars PER metric ton. Or 22080.00 US dollars. 23 Metric tons is 48,000 pounds. That translates roughly into 6857 gallons, you do the math! Anyone have any suggestions on what oils I might look into that are more cost effective? -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17050641 89:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22l p?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=858672942 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are
Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
Thank you for info, if others have prices, please give me them. I would also like heating oil in US if someone know. It is very good if I get more prices all over the world, because it is really difficult to get references and a pattern. It is there, but I need more data, to see the politics behind it. Hakan At 09:18 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: 3.22 / gallon is about what we paid today in 4.3 gallon quantities. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
Hi Steve We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. We've had quite a lot of discussion about it here before - re subsidies etc, remember? But we never did get to the bottom of all this. Heavily subsidized crop, and the oil is largely a *by-product*, with the seedcake the main product for livestock feed, *and* it's in surplus to the tune of billions of gallons... and yet you're paying $140 / barrel. Clearly a testament to corporate efficiency, the economies of scale, and the wonders of Big and Central. And of ADM, Monstanto and Dow-Cargill. What always tickles me about all this is how if you go along with it all you're supposed to be helping the farmers rather tha helping ADM, Monstanto and Dow-Cargill, and their open-pocketed pals in high places. :-( But I guess this is what you get, in the US and elsewhere, while there's no real energy policy and biofuels crops are seen as an agriculture issue rather than an energy issue. Not to say that the energy sector is any less a mafia than the agriculture one, obviously not, but at least it's the right sector. Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
Try palm oil or even better kernal oil from palm. That would be the cheapest oil you can get. Best of Luck Richard W Lee Hong Kong - Original Message - From: Steve Spence To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel 3.22 / gallon is about what we paid today in 4.3 gallon quantities. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I am looking into different crops and oil costs as well. I did some checking on Sunflower oil but the numbers were discourageing. For 23 metric tons of crude Sunflower oil the cost is 960.00 US dollars PER metric ton. Or 22080.00 US dollars. 23 Metric tons is 48,000 pounds. That translates roughly into 6857 gallons, you do the math! Anyone have any suggestions on what oils I might look into that are more cost effective? -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17050641 89:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22l p?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=858672942 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:22:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel And here is a testiment to Ken's process. I spent last saturday morning with Ken making a batch or methel-ethel-esters and it went just fine. The process is very low tech and although there are some specifics; no water in the oil or eth/meth, more KOH, titrated oil below 1ml, glyc remix. The process is very organic and can be done by anyone, so try not to think of this as some mystery conversion. Ken also has ways to massage batches that have some trouble with conversion with a methoxide 'kicker'. I think that the real important parts of doing a meth-eth conversion are as little water as possible (ie. boil off water), and low titration on the oil (ie. good oil). The batch we made titrated at .5 and was a mix of restaurant oil and crude olive oil. Ken showed me a batch of coconut-methel-ethel-esters which smelled like you could eat it (pinapple/coconut scent). It was just awesome! BTW, Follow the directions accurately, to the tee and don't add other process confusion into it. James Slayden On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Ken Provost wrote: Murilo writes: The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120ºC and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60ºC, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for methanol, but I would use twice as much NaOH for ethanol, and KOH would be better still. All that said, I don't think I'd have much trouble with refined oil (what's acidic index mean in terms of % FFA?) and anhydrous ethanol. The problem comes when you try to use waste oil and ethanol that have water contamination. -K Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jet Chip and Biodiesel
I thought this topic was already discussed but I could not find it in the archives. I wanted to know if anyone has any experience with the Jet chip and biodiesel fuel. I thought someone had posted that they had no problems with the jetchip and their biodiesel fuel and that it ran quite well. I also remember someone stating they thought the jetchip would wear out the engine quicker. The manufacturer claims you will get a 2-4 mpg increase which would be significant for my truck. I would think that biodiesel would work even better than dinodiesel with this chip but I wanted to get some feedback from those that have tried it, or are very knowledgeable in the area. Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
See my other post. It was a mistake. I was talking about a crop someone alluded to and I remembered the crop incorrectly. m I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:50:25 -0800, you wrote: James Slayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for the price of gas in the US rising to European prices, so then it will give biofuels a chance. I'd rather it be a conscious decision rather than the economic wreckage we'd all experience with really high oil prices - after all right now, biodiesel is about 1/3 the cost of petroleum diesel right now, yes? James and I others have been discussing this off and on in a couple of heavy-traffic groups called biofuel and biofuel-biz that you can join here, depending on your areas of interest. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/?yguid=109391995 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/?yguid=109391995 I think I also have some confusion as to the cost of biodiesel, but my working take on it is: 1. If you make it entirely on your own, get the best possible deals on waste from restauraunts, etc., you can get your costs below $1.00 per gallon (maybe even well below that), so then, yes, your answer would be about right. 2. The present retail price of biodiesel at the pump can be taken from a couple of places we've been discussing in the northern California area and is about $2.75 per gallon. I'm not sure how we get from under $1.00 per gallon to nearly $3.00 per gallon, how much of that is increased raw materials cost, labor and other overhead, taxes, transport, etc. While this retail price seems high when so many do-it-yourselfers have been extolling to us the very low costs of making biodiesel, I think it's a real triumph to be able to say you can go buy it at thus-and-such station, with no hassle so the higher cost to me was a secondary matter that can perhaps be discussed going forward. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO
Hi Keith, I have been in touch with Mike for a while now and he told me that he was working on a new machine and would let me know when it was finished so I'll get back to him. Thanks, Hi Chris Mike might be able to help you. What are you planning, exactly? You're in a 3rd World country, right? Or at least the plant will be. Which one, if I might ask? We're much interested in biofuels as a rural development option in 3rd World countries, and currently dealing with exactly that here in Japan. We had a demo here on Tuesday, with local organic farmers running their tractors on our biodiesel (first local production), and a visiting delegation with government people and Japan's version of the Peace Corps, 10 agricultural technology guys from South Africa on a government-sponsored study tour, the press, Midori, and me doing my song and dance act. Which was apparently much appreciated. Went very well. The South Africans are interested in small-scala, local projects, as are we (and so are the organic farmers here). But that doesn't sound like a small-scale local project you're devising... 1,000 litres an hour, WVO - city-based? regards Keith Chris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Slayden wrote: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html There are various plant manufactures listed. On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, chris53bradley wrote: I would like any info for plant design for use in processing WVO for biodiesel production. I'm looking for a plant that could handle 1000 litres an hour of waste vege oil either in a mobile plant or a stationary plant. The one at Biodiesel Technologies is cost restrictive, for me at least. Thank you That's where the Biodiesel Technologies contact came from James - Chris has been there, done that. Chris, I suggest you have a look at Mike Pelly's new processor, pictured here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html ... and write to Mike, telling him what you're after. Say I said so. Mike Pelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Only legumes do nitrogen-fixation - or at least the colonies of microorganisms in their root nodules do it. So you're asking for a GMO, and should perhaps consider the record of GMO crops so far. Anyway, what's all the fuss about nitrogen? Overrated - nitrogen is easily arranged. Deep-rooters are more important in most cases. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
sunflowers are 102 gallons / acre, rapeseed (canola) is 127 gallons. a difference, yes, but not enough to say sunflower stinks, canola is best. castor beans is even better at 151. only grows well in tropical and subtropical climates. it's been grown in England, but only produces beans once every 10 years. Keith, could you add a ideal climate column to your yield page? the indicated gallons / acre may be one range in one climate, but more or less in another. interesting thing about castor . http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_738404.html?menu= Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Mustard is not nitrogen fixing. But this is what it can do. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Maybe, maybe not. Probably, if you're thinking in terms of monocrops and industrialized production systems. Yet there are many parts of the world where it's grown that way (as well as sustainably), with results that are not perceived as stinking. Anyway, you don't seem to have considered what Ed was saying about intercropping. Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Maybe, again, if you're really lucky - more likely on 1 acre than on 1,000. These are average yields (US gal/acre): sunflowers 102 cocoa (cacao) 110 peanuts 113 opium poppy 124 rapeseed 127 olives 129 castor beans 151 pecan nuts 191 jojoba 194 jatropha 202 macadamia nuts 240 brazil nuts 255 avocado 282 coconut 287 oil palm 635 I was just talking to some African ag-tech guys who didn't think sunflower yields stink. They were also talking about oil palm, which originates in Africa - compared with which rapeseed/canola stinks. If, that is, you're that impressed by yields, which I'm not. Focusing on alleged high-yielding crops to the exclusion of all else doesn't make much sense (same as the focus on nitrogen). In fact what yields best, overall, not just in sheer quantity, almost always depends more on local factors than on ideal yield potentials. Have a look at these archives articles: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1801list=BIOFUELS-BIZ Going for yields and nitrogen and monocrops will end up simply substituting Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Dow-Cargill et al for Big Oil, and rather more is required of the potential of biofuels than that. Best Keith Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?
diesel doesn't work at -60c ;-) seriously, if you can get the diesel heated up (big if), then our system will work. It might be best, at those temperature, to combine the features of the our greasel system with ed's veg-therm. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy? On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:30, Steve Spence wrote: We filter to .5 micron on used oil before we put into the tank. We don't prefilter virgin oil. Once it is in there. standard diesel filter ranges (10 - 30 ) micron work fine. When preheating the oil, you do not need to add anything to it, as the heat gets it to a low enough viscosity for safe injection. We have this working at -40 degrees. Steve Spence Greetings Would it be possible to get some details as I would not want a system until it is proven to work at -60 degrees Celsius. Minus 40 sounds great but in Northern Alberta we get that at least a few mornings a year and minus 45 isn't too uncommon either! Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lunch with the Chairman
He was hungry? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: yellowjuice2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Lunch with the Chairman LUNCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN by SEYMOUR M. HERSH Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO
Hi Keith, Yes, I'm trying to get a larger version going in Thailand and also want to settup smaller opperations in the smaller villages here. I've got a couple of contacts here with some political connections and I will have to depend on them to get things through. It's very hard to get through being a foreigner but it does help that I'm now married to a Thai and everything will be listed with her. Thailand is a beautiful place but trying to do any business here can be taxing on the brain. I'll keep in contact. Chris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith, I have been in touch with Mike for a while now and he told me that he was working on a new machine and would let me know when it was finished so I'll get back to him. Thanks, Hi Chris Mike might be able to help you. What are you planning, exactly? You're in a 3rd World country, right? Or at least the plant will be. Which one, if I might ask? We're much interested in biofuels as a rural development option in 3rd World countries, and currently dealing with exactly that here in Japan. We had a demo here on Tuesday, with local organic farmers running their tractors on our biodiesel (first local production), and a visiting delegation with government people and Japan's version of the Peace Corps, 10 agricultural technology guys from South Africa on a government-sponsored study tour, the press, Midori, and me doing my song and dance act. Which was apparently much appreciated. Went very well. The South Africans are interested in small-scala, local projects, as are we (and so are the organic farmers here). But that doesn't sound like a small-scale local project you're devising... 1,000 litres an hour, WVO - city-based? regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processing Plant design for WVO
Hi Keith, Yes, I'm trying to get a larger version going in Thailand and also want to settup smaller opperations in the smaller villages here. I've got a couple of contacts here with some political connections and I will have to depend on them to get things through. It's very hard to get through being a foreigner but it does help that I'm now married to a Thai and everything will be listed with her. Thailand is a beautiful place but trying to do any business here can be taxing on the brain. I'll keep in contact. Chris We've had something to do with biodiesel developments in Thailand, some Thai members here too. Try an archive search of both forums - Thailand at Biofuel (no quotes): http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel And do a search for Michael Allen at the Biofuels-biz archive, follkow the high FFA thread: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuels-biz Regards Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith, I have been in touch with Mike for a while now and he told me that he was working on a new machine and would let me know when it was finished so I'll get back to him. Thanks, Hi Chris Mike might be able to help you. What are you planning, exactly? You're in a 3rd World country, right? Or at least the plant will be. Which one, if I might ask? We're much interested in biofuels as a rural development option in 3rd World countries, and currently dealing with exactly that here in Japan. We had a demo here on Tuesday, with local organic farmers running their tractors on our biodiesel (first local production), and a visiting delegation with government people and Japan's version of the Peace Corps, 10 agricultural technology guys from South Africa on a government-sponsored study tour, the press, Midori, and me doing my song and dance act. Which was apparently much appreciated. Went very well. The South Africans are interested in small-scala, local projects, as are we (and so are the organic farmers here). But that doesn't sound like a small-scale local project you're devising... 1,000 litres an hour, WVO - city-based? regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:12:06 -0300 Subject: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel Dear Keith and Prof. Allen, I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant (100 l) to produce ethanol based biodiesel. I have read a lot of information in the archives and the Journey to Forever site about of troubles when dealing with ethanol and the same old question is back: if ethanol is used, it is better to change the catalyst from NaOH to KOH. However, even in this case, success is not guaranteed as the separation between glycerine and ester may not occur. The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). There is no clear explanation about why glycerol does not separate well or what can be done to avoid it (without mixing methanol). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! Does anybody know a paper which explains in details the chemical reasons of separation problems (or any additive to help it). I have in hands a brazilian handbook to produce biodiesel from several brazilian vegetable oils. It was written in 1985!!! In all recipes, biodiesel is successfully made by mixing reactants in the following proportions: 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with 1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120¼C and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60¼C, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. Does anybody know the basis of this method? Is it a too old method? Thank you for your future comments. Murilo D.M. Innocentini Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
Murilo writes: The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120¼C and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60¼C, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for methanol, but I would use twice as much NaOH for ethanol, and KOH would be better still. All that said, I don't think I'd have much trouble with refined oil (what's acidic index mean in terms of % FFA?) and anhydrous ethanol. The problem comes when you try to use waste oil and ethanol that have water contamination. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union
See also: Bushfood: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20877list=BIOFUEL http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15330 AlterNet: Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union By Carmelo Ruiz-Marrero, AlterNet March 9, 2003 The U.S. government is not very happy with the European Union these days. Washington is calling Europe's stand inmoral, but Europe refuses to budge. No, it's not the Iraq war. The issue is genetically modified (GM) foods. Since 1998 the European Union has required the labelling of all GM foods. This has amounted to a de facto moratorium on U.S. imports of GM foods because Uncle Sam stubbornly refuses to label them. Small wonder, since consumer polls on both sides of the Atlantic show that most shoppers want GM foods labeled, precisely so they can avoid them. U.S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick, recently called the European position on GM foods Luddite and immoral. David Byrne, the European Union's health and consumer protection commissioner, called Zoellnick's remarks unhelpful, unfair and wrong. The U.S. agricultural biotech industry is deadset against labelling. labelling is a sham, said Mary Kay Thatcher, lobbyist for the American Farm Bureau. It would be so expensive, it would shut down our exports. Labelling implies that there is something wrong with genetically modified good, said Elsa Murano, the U.S. Agriculture Department's undersecretary for food safety. It would be another kind of trade barrier. Years of struggle Europe's opposition to eating GM foods did not just happen overnight. Rather, it was the product of years of activism and agitation on the part of activists from all walks of life. Thoughout the 1990's, citizens all over Europe took matters in their own hands, weeding or decontaminating experimental GM plots with garden tools. Many of these civil disobedience acts were done in broad daylight, in front of reporters and flabbergasted policemen. They did not fit the profile of the lone nut or the crazed leftist. They were teachers, artists, farmers, carpenters, middle class housewives. Then came the crop squats: groups weeded GM crops and occupied the plots for days and even weeks, turning them into demonstration organic farms and makeshift community centers. These Gandhi-like revolutionary actions were remarkably similar to those carried out by the European peace movement in the 1980's against the deployment of American MX missiles. One can say that whereas nuclear weapons were a symbol of state power in the cold war, biotech is a symbol of corporate power in the post-cold war. Activism worked. People made a difference. Europe today has no Yankee MX missiles or Yankee GM frankenfoods. Now Old Europe has a de facto moratorium on GM foods, and it won't budge. Uncle Sam is furious. WTO? Be my guest! Washington has repeatedly threatened to bring a case against the European Union to the World Trade Organization (WTO). Unfriendly to social, environmental and public health considerations, the WTO has a dispute resolution mechanism whose workings have been repeatedly denounced by civil society groups as untransparent and undemocratic. When a member country brings a case against another for erecting an unfair trade barrier in the WTO, the accused country is guilty until proven innocent. The accused country has to prove its innocence, the accuser has to prove nothing. The cases are heard behind closed doors by panels of unelected trade bureaucrats. But not to worry, the European Union will win its case if it can prove that its rejection of GM foods is based on sound science. Whatever that means, the Europeans sigh sardonically. In the late 1990's, sound science meant that Europe had to import American beef tainted with growth hormones, even though its scientific authorities had determined that such hormones were an unacceptable health risk. The WTO had simply declared that the European ban on hormone-tainted beef was an unjustified trade barrier. So much for sound science. GM foes in Europe and all over the world breathed a collective sigh of relief last month when the U.S. laid down its challenge. As reported in the Organic Consumers Association web site, Washington decided not to take the matter to the WTO. However, few observers on either side of the issue believe the U.S. has really called it quits. Could this be a quid pro quo? In hopes of winning Europe over to Bush's war on Iraq, perhaps? The U.S. government flatly denies this. Is the U.S. hoping things will cool off and resistance to GM will soften? That would be a gross miscalculation. The European Parliament shows no intention of loosening GM food labelling requirements. Worse yet, last month British Minister of State for the Environment Michael Meacher came out against genetically engineered foods and crops, calling them unnecessary and dangerous. The real problem is whether ten, 20, 30 years down the track
[biofuel] 10 Questions Americans Are Asking as the US Prepares for War
http://www.yesmagazine.org/iraq/10questions.htm Beyond Iraq: What kind of America? 10 Questions Americans Are Asking as the US Prepares for War 1. Why go to war with Iraq now? 2. Is Saddam Hussein a threat to the US or other countries? 3. Will war with Iraq make us safer? 4. What is the new Bush Doctrine? 5. Does Saddam Hussein have links to Al Qaeda? 6. What would war look like? 7. Why aren't our allies standing with us on this war? 8. What would it cost to go to war? 9. What would we be fighting for? 10. What alternatives are there to war? 1. WHY GO TO WAR WITH IRAQ NOW? When asked at a Congressional Armed Services Committee hearing about what is now compelling the US to take precipitous actions against Iraq, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said, What's different? What's different is 3,000 people were killed. Is there a link to Al Qaeda and the events of 9/11? So far, the administration has produced no evidence (see question #5 on links to Al Qaeda). The administration also says Iraq every day is getting closer to having nuclear weapons. At a September 7 news conference, President Bush cited an International Atomic Energy Agency report as evidence that Hussein is only six months away from acquiring nuclear weapons. Later that month the IAEA stated that no such report exists. On October 4, the CIA released a report stating that Iraq does not possess nuclear weapons or the materials for making them, but could acquire nuclear weapons by 2010. The report also says that Iraq's ability to produce and store chemical weapons is probably less than it was before the Gulf War, but that its ability to produce biological weapons agents has grown in the last decade. Emerging from a meeting of members of the Senate Intelligence Committee with CIA Director George Tenet, Senator Richard Durbin (D-Ill) said that the report does not tell the whole story and that some information that could weaken the Bush administration's case against Iraq remains classified. According to the Associated Press, Durbin commented, It is troubling to have classified information which contradicts statements made by the administration. READ MORE http://www.yesmagazine.org/iraq/morewhynow.htm 2. IS SADDAM HUSSEIN A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES OR OTHER COUNTRIES? Hussein has never attacked the United States, but has been accused of using chemical weapons against Kurds within Iraq and against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. He launched Scud missiles against Israel during the 1991 Gulf War. He has not launched attacks against any nation since. Most observers believe that the threat is less than it was in 1991, when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The former head of the UN inspection team, Scott Ritter, states that 90 to 95 percent of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were confirmed destroyed and that there is no evidence that Iraq retained any of its weapons or capacity for producing them. Due to 12 years of UN sanctions, Iraq is now an impoverished country, making a large-scale weapons program far less feasible, Ritter said. The current weapons inspectors have found no evidence of a restarted nuclear weapons program or of biological weapons. The inspectors did find 12 empty warheads that could be used for firing chemical weapons and trace amounts of thiodiglycol, which can be used to make mustard gas. Inpectors destroyed the thiodiglycol. They also discovered that Iraq possessed ballistic missiles whose range went beyond prescribed limits. As of February 28, 2003, Iraq had begun destroying these missiles under supervision by inspectors. According to Brookings Institute analyst Michael O'Hanlon, Hussein has not funded Al Qaeda or other Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that target the US, but has given money to anti-Israeli terrorists. O'Hanlon said that Hussein has not passed weapons of mass destruction to those terrorists. The CIA report released October 4, 2002, says that Hussein has weapons that can target his neighbors, but none that can reach the US or Western Europe. READ MORE http://www.yesmagazine.org/iraq/moresaddamthreat.htm 3. WILL WAR WITH IRAQ MAKE US SAFER? Will we be safer going to war and removing Saddam Hussein from power? General Brent Scowcroft, who served as national security adviser to President Bush's father, warned that a war on Iraq could overwhelm US efforts to defeat global terror groups and risks a conflagration in the Middle East. West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd warned that an Iraq war could result both in a civil war among Kurdish, Sunni, and Shiite factions in Iraq and in neighboring states. Faced with his removal from power and potential death, many observers believe Saddam Hussein might be pushed into using whatever weapons he may have at his disposal. Judging by his actions during the Gulf War, if attacked, Hussein is likely to attack Israel. Israeli leaders have said they would be less reluctant to retaliate, if attacked, and Israel is known to
[biofuel] Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=5869 Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor Vice President Gets $1 Million From Firm With Iraq Oil Deal By Robert Bryce in Austin, Texas and Julian Borger in Washington The Guardian March 12, 2003 Halliburton, the Texas company which has been awarded the Pentagon's contract to put out potential oil-field fires in Iraq and which is bidding for postwar construction contracts, is still making annual payments to its former chief executive, the vice-president Dick Cheney. The payments, which appear on Mr Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, are in the form of deferred compensation of up to $1m (£600,000) a year. When he left Halliburton in 2000 to become George Bush's running mate, he opted not to receive his leaving payment in a lump sum but instead have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons. The vice-president's office said yesterday it had nothing to do with the award of Pentagon contracts, and said it would look into the details of the Halliburton payments. The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1m. Nor is it clear how they are calculated. Halliburton is one of five large US corporations - the others are the Bechtel Group, Fluor Corp, Parsons Corp, and the Louis Berger Group - invited to bid for contracts in what may turn out to be the biggest reconstruction project since the second world war. It is estimated to be worth up to $900m for the preliminary work alone, such as rebuilding Iraq's hospitals, ports, airports and schools. The contract winners will be able to establish a presence in post-Saddam Iraq that should give them an invaluable edge in winning future contracts. The defense department contract awarded to the Halliburton subsidiary, Kellog, Brown Root (KBR), to control oil fires if Saddam Hussein sets the well heads alight, will put the company in an excellent position to bid for huge contracts when Iraq's oil industry is rehabilitated. KBR has already benefited considerably from the war on terror. It has so far been awarded contracts worth nearly $33m to build the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for al-Qaida suspects. Asked whether the payments to Mr Cheney represented a conflict of interest, Halliburton's spokeswoman, Wendy Hall, said: We have been working as a government contractor since the 1940s. Since this time, KBR has become the premier provider of logistics and support services to all branches of the military. In the five years Mr Cheney was at the helm, Halliburton nearly doubled the amount of business it did with the government to $2.3bn. The company also more than doubled its political contributions to $1.2m, overwhelmingly to Republican candidates. Mr Cheney sold most of his Halliburton shares when he left the company, but retained stock options worth about $8m. He arranged to pay any profits to charity. Robert Bryce is the author of Pipe Dreams: Greed, Ego, Jealousy and the Death of Enron Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Detailed Analysis of October 7 Speech by Bush on Iraq
Detailed Analysis of October 7 Speech by Bush on Iraq http://www.accuracy.org/bush/ Responses to Bush's 2003 State of the Union Address http://www.accuracy.org/2003/ Institute for Public Accuracy - IPA Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Nukespeak Redux
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15297 Nukespeak Redux By Rory O'Connor, AlterNet March 4, 2003 When the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ruled recently that the threat of terrorism cannot be considered when licensing reactors because the risk is too speculative, and that discussing the issue in licensing hearings would give too much information to terrorists and unduly alarm the public, it was frighteningly reminiscent of equally Orwellian pronouncements issued previously by federal regulators. Remember when our dosage of radiation fallout from aboveground nuclear tests was measured in sunshine units, or claims that nuclear-generated electricity would be too cheap to meter? The commission's latest exercise in Nukespeak concerns a factory that Duke Energy and other companies are seeking to build in South Carolina to turn weapons plutonium into reactor fuel; two existing Duke reactor plants that would use the fuel; a temporary waste-storage project in Utah; and a project to expand fuel storage at the Millstone reactors in Waterford, Connecticut. In the past, design features at nuclear plants proposed to ensure environmental safety have been available for public scrutiny. But the commission now says that security preparations and characteristics of plants that would bear on the success of a terrorist attack must remain secret, and ruled that terrorism could not be considered under the National Environmental Policy Act, the law that requires the government to issue an Environmental Impact Statement when it takes a major action. The commission ruling took note of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but said the proper approach would be to improve security at nuclear sites, on airplanes and around the country generally, rather than to try to determine the environmental effects of a third-party attack on a site. The ruling outraged many nuclear-safety experts, including former commissioner Victor Gilinsky, who complained that at a time when the commission forbids considering terrorism at the Duke plutonium plant, (Attorney General) Ashcroft is changing the Bill of Rights because it is imminent. Peter A. Bradford, another former NRC member, compared the commission's attitude to its view on hydrogen explosions. Before the 1979 accident at Three Mile Island (which regulators called a normal aberration and a plant transient rather than use the word accident) such explosions were considered impossible. After the one at Three Mile Island, he said, the commission still considered them impossible, because now that we had had one, we would be too vigilant for another to occur. The bottom line is that events that have occurred but that can't be dealt with must still be considered impossible, first because they haven't yet occurred, then because they have, Bradford said. The commission has historically declined to speculate about terrorist threats against reactors. In the late 80's and early 90's, it fought off arguments that stronger defenses against truck bombs were needed, despite truck bomb attacks around the world. It argued that in the United States no bomb could be assembled without attracting the notice of the police. But in early 1993, terrorists exploded a truck bomb in an underground garage at the World Trade Center, and a man with a history of mental problems drove his station wagon through a gate and into the turbine building at Three Mile Island. The man, who was not armed, then hid inside the plant for hours. The commission soon revised its rules to cover bombs in small vehicles. But it has yet to institute any rules changes related to the Sept. 11 attacks. Dr. Edwin Lyman, president of the Nuclear Control Institute, an antiproliferation group in Washington, says the commission's reasoning is contradictory. The commission believes it need not consider terrorism, Dr. Lyman points out, because terrorism is entirely independent of the facility. But he adds that ignores the fact that the terrorist threat to a facility is surely dependent on where that facilities is sited, i.e. in a remote or densely populated area. One of the main threats we face today in the U.S. is that many potentially hazardous facilities are located near heavily populated areas, Dr. Lyman recently told the New York Times. This situation is tolerated because severe accidents are considered highly improbable. But surely in the future, it makes sense to consider the possibility of terrorist acts that could intentionally cause large releases when making decisions about the location and design features of hazardous facilities. But the NRC, stuck in mindset based on wishful thinking and still employing a language of euphemism and distortion, disagrees. Saying that it defines risk as a product of the probability of an event multiplied by its consequences, the NRC maintains that when it comes to terrorism and nuclear safety, we have no way to calculate the
[biofuel] what is real security? (Lovins)
http://www.yesmagazine.org/21American/lovins.htm what is real security? by Amory B. Lovins and L. Hunter Lovins America's security faces many serious threats. Strategic planners, however, have tended to focus almost exclusively on the military threat. They have largely ignored equally grave vulnerabilities in vital life-support systems such as our energy, water, food, data processing, and telecommunications networks. And they have likewise neglected to safeguard the national assets that form the foundation of our security. In our 1982 Pentagon study Brittle Power: Energy Strategy for National Security, we found that a handful of people could shut down three-quarters of the oil and gas supplies to the eastern states, cut the power to any major city, or kill millions by damaging a nuclear power plant. Such hazards remain real today. Between April 25 and May 11, 2001, for example, infiltrators accessed the computer system of the California Independent System Operator, the agency that operates California's power distribution network, potentially gaining the capability to black out whole cities, and cause physical damage to equipment. Reliance on fossil fuels and their extended pipelines contributes to our insecurity. Even where fuel is extracted from politically stable regions, it must be safely transported via accident-prone ships, trucks, rail, or pipeline. On October 4, 2001, a drunk shot a bullet through the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, shutting it down for 60 hours and spilling 285,000 gallons of oil. Previously, the pipeline has been shot at on over 50 occasions. A disgruntled engineer's plot to blow up critical points then profit from oil futures trading was thwarted by luck two years ago. How, then, can America become less vulnerable to attack and more resilient to mishaps that do occur? How can we prepare for a future that may hold increasing uncertainty, unrest, and even violence? The answer may be found by basing engineering on nature. Natural systems are efficient, diverse, dispersed, and renewable, hence, inherently resilient. The most resilience per dollar invested comes from using energy very efficiently. Minimizing energy waste both eliminates dependence on the most vulnerable sources (such as oil from the Persian Gulf) and makes energy failures milder, slower, and easier to fix. Efficiency is also the cheapest way to meet our energy needs. During 1979-85, energy savings enabled GNP to rise by 16 percent while oil use fell 15 percent and Persian Gulf imports fell 87 percent. This was primarily achieved by making cars more efficient. Just making cars about three miles per gallon more efficient could eliminate all Persian Gulf oil imports. Did we put our young people in 0.6 mile per gallon army tanks because we did not put them in 32 mile per gallon cars? Another key to resilience is to replace centralized energy sources gradually with many richly interconnected dispersed ones. This is the strategy of a tree that has many leaves, each with many veins, so that the random nibbling of insects won't disrupt the vital flow of nutrients. The value of dispersion was proven in the Northeast Blackout of 1965, when a power engineer in Holyoke, Massachusetts, was able to unhook the city from the collapsing grid and connect instead to a local gas turbine. The money saved by not having to black out Holyoke paid off the cost of building that power plant in four hours. More recently, in Sacramento, citizens suffered none of the power shortages or price spikes that other Californians faced. About ten years ago the city voted to shut down the troubled nuclear plant that provided nearly half its power. Instead, Sacramento invested in efficiency and a diverse supply mix emphasizing renewables and distributed generation. These investments boosted county economic output by $185 million and added 2,946 employee-years of net jobs. Efficiency plus a diverse, often decentralized, supply portfolio kept electricity supplies reliable and constant-price during California's power emergencies. As the Sacramento example shows, dispersed energy systems don't cost more; indeed, they're already winning in the marketplace. Major homebuilders nationwide expect to enjoy a marketing edge by providing hundreds of grid-connected rooftop-solar systems on new housing developments; indeed, five Sacramento projects already offer solar power as standard equipment. Central power stations, no matter how well engineered, can't supply really cheap electricity and simply cannot be made secure. The power lines that deliver the electricity cost more than the generators and cause almost all power failures. On-site and neighborhood micro-power is cheaper and eliminates grid losses and glitches. Rooftop photovoltaic systems, fuel cells, or biomass-fed microturbine or engine generators can be built on site to provide power for individual buildings or neighborhoods. When such
[biofuel] World water crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2818615.stm BBC NEWS Wednesday, 5 March, 2003 UN warns of future water crisis The world's water crisis is so severe it could take almost 30 years to eradicate hunger, the United Nations says. A world short of water cannot grow enough food for all http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20055/story.htm Planet Ark : Water crisis to deepen as supplies dry out - UN Water crisis to deepen as supplies dry out - UN FRANCE: March 6, 2003 PARIS/TOKYO - World water reserves are drying up fast and booming populations, pollution and global warming will combine to cut the average person's water supply by a third in the next 20 years, the United Nations said. http://www.enn.com/news/2003-03-06/s_3213.asp Tackling world's water crises would cost up to US$100 billion a year, says U.N. official Thursday, March 06, 2003 By Kenji Hall, Associated Press TOKYO - Most of the world's water crises can be resolved but would require political will and spending from US$50 billion to $100 billion a year, the United Nations' top envoy on water issues said Wednesday. http://ens-news.com/ens/mar2003/2003-03-05-02.asp UN: World Water Crisis Due to Leadership Inertia PARIS, France, March 5, 2003 (ENS) - A global water crisis of the future is taking shape today, due to attitude and behavior problems, on the part of national leaders, says a report made public today written jointly by all United Nations agencies that deal with water. This crisis is one of water governance, essentially caused by the ways in which we mismanage water, the agencies report. http://autofeed.msn.co.in/pandoraV15/output/6DA2FA78-E318-4693-A625-58 FF37E56543.asp MSN India - News Section India ranked 120th in water quality New Delhi (Mar 6): India has been ranked a poor 120th for its water quality in the United Nations system-wide evaluation of global water resources today. Only Morocco and Belgium are ranked lower. http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=5868 World: Water Privatization Under Fire Inter Press News Service March 10, 2003 Privatization of water services has had negative consequences in many countries, says the environmental network Friends of the Earth International, which urges global resistance to the commercialization of this essential resource. --- The World Water Assessment Programme, together with other partners, is developing the World Water Portal, to provide access to a wide body of water information to serve decision makers, water managers, technicians, and the public at large. Before going global, a prototype water portal has been developed for the Americas to test ways of sharing information among local, national and regional water organizations. Visit: http://www.waterportal-americas.org Visit the World Water Day 2003 website at: http://www.waterday2003.org --- World Water Development Report http://webworld.unesco.org/water/wwap/wwdr/index.shtml World Water Assessment Programme (WWAP)| The UN World Water Development Report (WWDR) The UN World Water Development Report - Water for People, Water for Life A collective UN input The World Water Development Report (WWDR) is a periodic, comprehensive review giving an authoritative picture of the state of the world's freshwater resources, and aiming to provide decision-makers with the tools for sustainable use of our water. The World Water Development Report : Water for People, Water for Life Click here to order a copy: sale online at UNESCO Publishing Price: 49.95 euros or 49.95 US $ Available online: The WWDR Table of Contents http://webworld.unesco.org/water/wwap/wwdr/table_contents.shtml The WWDR Executive Summary (7 languages) http://webworld.unesco.org/water/wwap/wwdr/ex_summary/index.shtml The WWDR Facts Figures http://webworld.unesco.org/water/wwap/facts_figures/index.shtml Coordinated by the World Water Assessment Programme, the Report is the result of the collaboration of twenty-three UN agencies and convention secretariats and lays the foundations for regular, system-wide monitoring and reporting by the UN, together with development of standardized methodologies and data. The first edition of this report, Water for People, Water for Life, will be launched on World Water Day (March 22nd) at the Third World Water Forum in Kyoto, Japan. Measuring progress since Rio The World Water Development Report is part of an ongoing assessment project to measure progress towards achieving the goal of sustainable development formulated at Rio in 1992, and the targets set down in the UN Millennium Declaration of 2000. The international community pledged: * to halve by 2015 the proportion of people who are unable to reach, or to afford, safe drinking water; and * to stop the unsustainable exploitation of water resources, by developing water management strategies at the regional, national and local levels, which promote both equitable access and adequate supplies.
Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 05:53, Steve Spence wrote: diesel doesn't work at -60c ;-) seriously, if you can get the diesel heated up (big if), then our system will work. It might be best, at those temperature, to combine the features of the our greasel system with ed's veg-therm. Steve Spence Sorry diesel does work at -60 C. It is not easy but I have run equipment at -56 C, granted it was a major pain to get it started and it caused a lot of problems because of steel's inability to withstand any cold flexure and impact but when you are feeding livestock you MUST run on the cold days. The only time I saw diesels parked was one very cold day when it was -38 C with 35 mph winds with gusts to 50 mph. Then with the wind chill factors the radio announcer said that it was acting like -100 C and it would be even colder for moving vehicles. To reiterate yes diesel does work at -60 C and if a vegetable oil system cannot be made to work at those temperatures then it could not be used for primary feeding equipment!! Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor
What's sad is that we, as Americans, don't require and/or insist on a standard of morality, ethics and character in our leaders. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [biofuel] Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=5869 Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractorsnipe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union
Excellent article...thanks, Jess PS See Keith, we are reading your stuff...) --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [biofuel] Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union See also: Bushfood: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20877list=BIOFUEL http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15330 AlterNet: Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union By Carmelo Ruiz-Marrero, AlterNet March 9, 2003 The U.S. government is not very happy with the European Union these days. Washington is calling Europe's stand inmoral, but Europe refuses to budge. No, it's not the Iraq war. The issue is genetically modified (GM) foods. Since 1998 the European Union has required the labelling of all GM foods. This has amounted to a de facto moratorium on U.S. imports of GM foods because Uncle Sam stubbornly refuses to label them. Small wonder, since consumer polls on both sides of the Atlantic show that most shoppers want GM foods labeled, precisely so they can avoid them. U.S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick, recently called the European position on GM foods Luddite and immoral. David Byrne, the European Union's health and consumer protection commissioner, called Zoellnick's remarks unhelpful, unfair and wrong. The U.S. agricultural biotech industry is deadset against labelling. labelling is a sham, said Mary Kay Thatcher, lobbyist for the American Farm Bureau. It would be so expensive, it would shut down our exports. Labelling implies that there is something wrong with genetically modified good, said Elsa Murano, the U.S. Agriculture Department's undersecretary for food safety. It would be another kind of trade barrier. Years of struggle Europe's opposition to eating GM foods did not just happen overnight. Rather, it was the product of years of activism and agitation on the part of activists from all walks of life. Thoughout the 1990's, citizens all over Europe took matters in their own hands, weeding or decontaminating experimental GM plots with garden tools. Many of these civil disobedience acts were done in broad daylight, in front of reporters and flabbergasted policemen. They did not fit the profile of the lone nut or the crazed leftist. They were teachers, artists, farmers, carpenters, middle class housewives. Then came the crop squats: groups weeded GM crops and occupied the plots for days and even weeks, turning them into demonstration organic farms and makeshift community centers. These Gandhi-like revolutionary actions were remarkably similar to those carried out by the European peace movement in the 1980's against the deployment of American MX missiles. One can say that whereas nuclear weapons were a symbol of state power in the cold war, biotech is a symbol of corporate power in the post-cold war. Activism worked. People made a difference. Europe today has no Yankee MX missiles or Yankee GM frankenfoods. Now Old Europe has a de facto moratorium on GM foods, and it won't budge. Uncle Sam is furious. WTO? Be my guest! Washington has repeatedly threatened to bring a case against the European Union to the World Trade Organization (WTO). Unfriendly to social, environmental and public health considerations, the WTO has a dispute resolution mechanism whose workings have been repeatedly denounced by civil society groups as untransparent and undemocratic. When a member country brings a case against another for erecting an unfair trade barrier in the WTO, the accused country is guilty until proven innocent. The accused country has to prove its innocence, the accuser has to prove nothing. The cases are heard behind closed doors by panels of unelected trade bureaucrats. But not to worry, the European Union will win its case if it can prove that its rejection of GM foods is based on sound science. Whatever that means, the Europeans sigh sardonically. In the late 1990's, sound science meant that Europe had to import American beef tainted with growth hormones, even though its scientific authorities had determined that such hormones were an unacceptable health risk. The WTO had simply declared that the European ban on hormone-tainted beef was an unjustified trade barrier. So much for sound science. GM foes in Europe and all over the world breathed a collective sigh of relief last month when the U.S. laid down its challenge. As reported in the Organic Consumers Association web site, Washington decided not to take the matter to the WTO. However, few observers on either side of the issue believe the U.S. has really called it quits. Could this be a quid pro quo? In hopes of winning Europe over to Bush's war on Iraq, perhaps?
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Hey Ken, Have you done any testing with this? Or even heard of it? James Slayden On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Keith Addison wrote: From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel Group of Engineering and Microstructure of Materials Department of Materials Engineering Federal University of Sao Carlos Via Washington Luiz, km 235 13565-905 Sao Carlos - SP - Brasil Tel. 00 55 16 260-8253 Fax. 00 55 16 261-5404 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 10:34 AM, Keith Addison wrote: From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel I knew my obsession with cat litter would pay off someday :-) !!! -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union
Excellent article...thanks, Jess PS See Keith, we are reading your stuff...) Heh! My faith restored. Did you read the Bushfood piece too Jess? I thought that was really interesting. Anyway, the archives reads it all, LOL! Thanks Jess. regards Keith --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [biofuel] Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union See also: Bushfood: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20877list=BIOFUEL http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15330 AlterNet: Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 10:34 AM, Keith Addison wrote: From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300 Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian Group has just claimed that they found a co-catalyst which combined with the traditional one gives a much better reaction efficiency, preventing any miscibility between glycerine and ethyl ester and facilitating the operational separation between both. They dont tell the secret, obviously, but claim that it is based on a very cheap clay-based material. Any ideas? Murilo Daniel I knew my obsession with cat litter would pay off someday :-) !!! -K LOL! You're probably right Ken. Interesting stuff, clay. Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
And here is a testiment to Ken's process. I spent last saturday morning with Ken making a batch or methel-ethel-esters and it went just fine. The process is very low tech and although there are some specifics; no water in the oil or eth/meth, more KOH, titrated oil below 1ml, glyc remix. The process is very organic and can be done by anyone, so try not to think of this as some mystery conversion. Ken also has ways to massage batches that have some trouble with conversion with a methoxide 'kicker'. I think that the real important parts of doing a meth-eth conversion are as little water as possible (ie. boil off water), and low titration on the oil (ie. good oil). The batch we made titrated at .5 and was a mix of restaurant oil and crude olive oil. Ken showed me a batch of coconut-methel-ethel-esters which smelled like you could eat it (pinapple/coconut scent). It was just awesome! BTW, Follow the directions accurately, to the tee and don't add other process confusion into it. James Slayden On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Ken Provost wrote: Murilo writes: The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter of good luck and fervent prayer). I cannot get reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe! 600 g refined oil (for soy oil, 0.2 acidic index) is firstly treated with1.5 g of CaCO3 at 120ºC and filtrated. Then 182 ml anhydrous ethanol previously mixed with 2.5 g NaOH is added to the oil. After 20 min mixing at 60ºC, 3.5g of NH4Cl is added (catalyst poison). Then filtration of the precipitate and addition of 17 ml of HCl (36%). Then settling for a couple of hours, separation and washing with water + bicarbonate. The authors say that the HCl acid is added to enhance settling of glycerol. I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for methanol, but I would use twice as much NaOH for ethanol, and KOH would be better still. All that said, I don't think I'd have much trouble with refined oil (what's acidic index mean in terms of % FFA?) and anhydrous ethanol. The problem comes when you try to use waste oil and ethanol that have water contamination. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020916-28573872.htm Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand By Paul Martin THE WASHINGTON TIMES LONDON ÷ Iraq is already using copies of pirated German equipment to process nuclear material for an atomic weapons program, according to a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who testified before the U.S. Senate this summer. Khidir Hamza, who led a section of the Iraqi nuclear bomb program before his defection in 1994, said the devices may not be discovered even if U.N. inspectors are allowed to return to Iraq. The beauty of the present system is that the units are each very small, and in the four years since the inspectors left, they will have been concealed underground or in basements or buildings that outwardly seem normal, he said. Mr. Hamza was one of the first witnesses at Senate hearings on Iraq in July. But in a series of interviews over the past several weeks, he painted a much more alarming picture than was laid out before the Senate or in a widely discussed report released last week by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. That study concluded that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime could make an atomic bomb within months if it succeeded in acquiring the necessary nuclear fuel from an outside source. But Mr. Hamza said Iraq already has, and is processing some 1.3 tons of low-enriched material bought many years ago from Brazil. He maintained that Iraq has also been processing many tons of its own yellow-cake uranium, which has been extracted from large supplies of phosphates in the north. U.N. inspectors were shown 162 tons of the material before their expulsion in 1998, but Mr. Hamza said there are several other sites that can be used. The amount of uranium it already has ÷ conservatively estimated in a German intelligence report at 10 tons of natural uranium and 1.3 tons of low-enriched uranium ÷ is enough for three nuclear weapons, Mr. Hamza said. Before their expulsion, the inspectors dismantled an illegally imported German centrifuge that had been used in a program that progressively refines natural or low-enriched uranium until it becomes suitable for weapons. But Mr. Hamza, who was the science adviser to the Atomic Energy Establishment and later helped start and direct Iraq's nuclear weapons program, said by then the cat was out the bag. He said he suspects the Iraqis have taken advantage of the four years since the inspectors' expulsion to make numerous copies of the original smuggled centrifuge and are busily refining uranium into the necessary material for nuclear bombs. It's a relatively simple process once you have the plans and some experience operating one or two centrifuges, he said. The key was provided, he said, when German Karl Schaab showed the Iraqis how to build and operate a centrifuge in 1989, and later helped them build a second. Our engineers videoed as it was put up, so they could build identical ones. Then he also provided 130 classified documents and charts detailing every aspect of the construction. When the inspectors took away the original centrifuge, we already had the know-how. I believe there are probably hundreds of copies today, said Mr. Hamza, who now lives in the United States. They are easy to hide ÷ undetectable from satellites if built within or under other buildings. The problem for Iraq, he says, is simply to keep reprocessing the material so that after each run it gets more and more enriched, until it reaches the 90 percent level needed to make a nuclear weapon. The process can be completed more quickly if one begins with low-enriched uranium ÷ which is at 3 percent to 4 percent ÷ rather than only natural uranium, which is at about 0.7 percent. A really efficient weapons program requires thousands of such centrifuges, as each has a very small output of enriched uranium, Mr. Hamzi said. Further evidence that such a program is in place came this month when the United States announced the interception of a shipment to Iraq of highly refined aluminum tubes suitable for making centrifuges. The whole centrifuge method of getting to a bomb is much easier for Iraq than, for example, it was for Pakistan, which took 17 years in going the same route, Mr. Hamza said. They had to get it in bits and pieces, whereas we got a whole centrifuge and all the plans. Experts suggest the method being used by Iraq can take from four to seven years, depending on the number of centrifuges. Mr. Hamza said Iraq would have begun work in earnest as the inspectors left in 1998. This means, unless he's stopped soon, Saddam will have set up a whole nuclear bomb industry, not just have made a couple of bombs, he said. Iraq has repeatedly denied having such a program. It's not that Iraq has no material, said Foreign Minister Naji Sabri in a televised interview last week. From the
RE: [biofuel] Voice of Iraqis
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp February 26, 2003, 10:00 a.m. Voice of Iraqis Why donât antiwar types want to hear them? By Amir Taheri ould I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life? asked the Iraqi grandmother. I spent part of a recent Saturday with the so-called antiwar marchers in London in the company of some Iraqi friends. Our aim had been to persuade the organizers to let at least one Iraqi voice to be heard. Soon, however, it became clear that the organizers were as anxious to stifle the voice of the Iraqis in exile as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The Iraqis had come with placards reading Freedom for Iraq and American rule, a hundred thousand times better than Takriti tyranny! But the tough guys who supervised the march would have none of that. Only official placards, manufactured in thousands and distributed among the spontaneous marchers, were allowed. These read Bush and Blair, baby-killers, Not in my name, Freedom for Palestine, and Indict Bush and Sharon. Not one placard demanded that Saddam should disarm to avoid war. The goons also confiscated photographs showing the tragedy of Halabja, the Kurdish town where Saddam's forces gassed 5,000 people to death in 1988. We managed to reach some of the stars of the show, including Reverend Jesse Jackson, the self-styled champion of American civil rights. One of our group, Salima Kazim, an Iraqi grandmother, managed to attract the reverend's attention and told him how Saddam Hussein had murdered her three sons because they had been dissidents in the Baath Party; and how one of her grandsons had died in the war Saddam had launched against Kuwait in 1990. Could I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life? 78-year-old Salima demanded. The reverend was not pleased. Today is not about Saddam Hussein, he snapped. Today is about Bush and Blair and the massacre they plan in Iraq. Salima had to beat a retreat, with all of us following, as the reverend's gorillas closed in to protect his holiness. We next spotted former film star Glenda Jackson, apparently manning a stand where antiwar characters could sign up to become human shields to protect Saddam's military installations against American air attacks. These people are mad, said Awad Nasser, one of Iraq's most famous modernist poets. They are actually signing up to sacrifice their lives to protect a tyrant's death machine. The former film star, now a Labor party member of parliament, had no time for side issues such as the 1.2 million Iraqis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis who have died as a result of Saddam's various wars. We thought we might have a better chance with Charles Kennedy, a boyish-looking, red-headed Scot who leads the misnamed Liberal Democrat party. But he, too, had no time for complex issues that could not be raised at a mass rally. The point of what we are doing here is to tell the American and British governments that we are against war, he pontificated. There will be ample time for other issues. But was it not amazing that there could be a rally about Iraq without any mention of what Saddam and his regime have done over almost three decades? Just a little hint, perhaps, that Saddam was still murdering people in his Qasr al-Nayhayah (Palace of the End) prison, and that as the Westerners marched, Iraqis continued to die? Not a chance. We then ran into Tony Benn, a leftist septuagenarian who has recycled himself as a television reporter to interview Saddam in Baghdad. But we knew there was no point in talking to him. The previous night he had appeared on TV to tell the Brits that his friend Saddam was standing for the little people against hegemonistic America. Are these people ignorant, or are they blinded by hatred of the United States? Nasser the poet demanded. The Iraqis would had much to tell the antiwar marchers, had they had a chance to speak. Fadel Sultani, president of the National Association of Iraqi authors, would have told the marchers that their action would encourage Saddam to intensify his repression. I had a few questions for the marchers, Sultani said. Did they not realize that oppression, torture and massacre of innocent civilians are also forms of war? Are the antiwar marchers only against a war that would liberate Iraq, or do they also oppose the war Saddam has been waging against our people for a generation? Sultani could have told the peaceniks how Saddam's henchmen killed dissident poets and writers by pushing page after page of forbidden books down their throats until they choked. Hashem al-Iqabi, one of Iraq's leading writers and intellectuals, had hoped the marchers would mention the fact that Saddam had driven almost four million Iraqis out of their homes and razed more than 6,000 villages to the ground. The death and destruction caused by Saddam in our land is the worst since Nebuchadnezzar, he said. These prosperous,
[biofuel] grundfos circulating pumps?
has anyone here ever used a Grundfos or Taco circulating pump (trickle pump used in domestic hot water applications) to run a processor? I'm doing two-stage acid-base with it so agitation speed isn't crucial. I'm mostly interested in any experiences of leaks or lack thereof. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy?
If you can get the diesel started, then vegetable oil works. the diesel gets the vehicle hot, and therefore the vegetable oil. that's the only key. the vegetable oil has to be hot. our issues were once you got the vehicle started, as soon as you got on the road, the tank would gel up. this was the diesel tank, not the vegetable oil. if we had heated the diesel tank as well, we would not have had the problem. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The TDI-SVO controversy? On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 05:53, Steve Spence wrote: diesel doesn't work at -60c ;-) seriously, if you can get the diesel heated up (big if), then our system will work. It might be best, at those temperature, to combine the features of the our greasel system with ed's veg-therm. Steve Spence Sorry diesel does work at -60 C. It is not easy but I have run equipment at -56 C, granted it was a major pain to get it started and it caused a lot of problems because of steel's inability to withstand any cold flexure and impact but when you are feeding livestock you MUST run on the cold days. The only time I saw diesels parked was one very cold day when it was -38 C with 35 mph winds with gusts to 50 mph. Then with the wind chill factors the radio announcer said that it was acting like -100 C and it would be even colder for moving vehicles. To reiterate yes diesel does work at -60 C and if a vegetable oil system cannot be made to work at those temperatures then it could not be used for primary feeding equipment!! Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EU Biofuels Legislation Set to Include Pure Plant Oil Ammendments
Looks as if the lobbying efforts to have a more prominent position for pure plant oil will be paid off. Well done everybody who was involved in pushing this. Pity the targets ended up voluntary. However this gives a good foundation for SVO (or PPO) advocates to work from. Darren Hill -Original Message- From: Woodland B.V. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 March 2003 15:53 To: castan.lako Subject: biobrandstoffen.jan mulder.doc Dear Pure Plant Oil Friends, Please find attached a press release by Dutch MEP Jan Mulder who together with his European parliament members has strongly supported us in our efforts to get P.P.O. officially listed on the list of biofuels for the forthcoming European legislation on biofuels for transport purposes. Quote: EUROPEAN LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS JAN MULDER MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT Pressrelease Jan Mulder (VVD) (12-03-2003) European Parliament supports EU targets for the use of biofuels for transport The European Parliament adopted today the European targets that 5,75 % of the transport fuels upto the year 2010 should consist of biofuels. It represents a compromise with the Council of Ministers stating that these indicative targets only under specific circumstances can be altered by the memberstates.According to the agreement already in 2005 , 2 % of the market should consist of biofuels upto 5,75 in 2010. It took quite some time for a legislation on biofuels. Liberal/Democrat Jan Mulder : Biofuels are offering big advantages for the environment and the European agriculture. Now finally we are getting somewhere. I would have appreciated mandatory blending, but this is a first good step. Also an amendment of Jan Mulder and his collegues was adopted to acknowledge Pure Plant Oil as biofuel.This biofuel is not blended with conventional fuels, but can be used in pure form in modified dieselengines. It is expected , on short notice, that the Council of Ministers will approve this European directive at the same time with a directive for voluntary taxexempt on biofuels. Unquote regards The Aberson's/solaroilsystems/Friesland/Netherlands Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Pine forests may pollute more than traffic, industry
Has anybody read the report from Perrti Hari of the University of Helsinki, Finland? I found this article about smog from plant life. Does anybody know more of the report? Harley http://www.canoe.ca/LondonNews/lf.lf-03-13-0053.html Thursday, March 13, 2003 Pine forests may pollute more than traffic, industry By CP OTTAWA -- Coniferous forests around the world may be emitting more smog-causing nitrogen oxides than traffic and industry combined, suggests a report in the prestigious journal Nature. The report, released yesterday, flies in the face of the accepted view that forests reduce pollution by absorbing it -- a theory Canada relied on in demanding credit for forests as pollution sinks under the Kyoto climate change accord. But environmentalists aren't about to blacklist Scotch pines. They note forest emissions are part of a natural balance that has existed since pre-industrial times and say man-made emissions are behind most pollution and global warming. Scotch pine needles release nitrogen oxides directly into the atmosphere when exposed to ultraviolet light, says a study led by Perrti Hari of the University of Helsinki, Finland. Nitrogen oxides are smog precursors: they combine with other pollutants to form ground-level ozone, a major component of smog. The emissions from Scotch pines increase in proportion to the amount of ultraviolet radiation they receive, the study says. Although this contribution is insignificant on a local scale, our findings suggest that global NOx emissions from boreal coniferous forests may be comparable to those produced by worldwide industrial and traffic sources, the report says. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Awareness Day- March 18th, Santa Rosa, CA
Biodieselers in a few communities are celebrating March 18th as international biodiesel awareness day. The Santa Rosa California/Sonoma County biodiesel community is hosting the following event. Special thanks to the Colorado biodiesel folk who instigated the whole March 18th idea... Tuesday, March 18th Join the Bay Area biofuels community in celebrating the 145th birthday of Rudolph Diesel and the First Annual International BioDiesel Veggie-Fuel Awareness Day! Dr. Diesel first presented his engine to the public at the 1898 Exhibition Fair in Paris running on peanut oil! The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and coal tar products of the present time. ~ Rudolph Diesel, German Engineer - 1912 6:00pm ~ Snack on foods highlighting the wide variety of oil sources ~ Live music by Jeff Falconer, Sonoma singer-songwriter offering his own heartfelt, often-humorous tunes (CDÕs available!) ~ Tables hosted by local organizations ~ Schmooze party with others in the biofuels community 7:00p ~ Satirical social commentary by Jeff Falconer 7:15p ~ Cinema ala Veggie-Power - Fat of the Land In response to petroleum dependence in the United States, five women sought to prove that fuel resources can be as accessible as the burger joint down the street. The Lard Car is an ordinary, unmodified diesel van powered by distilled vegetable oil, known as biodiesel, which they made using a simple do-it-yourself chemical procedure. Join this intrepid band on their historic and sometimes hilarious 1995 cross-country journey. Beginning in New York state and heading westward, the gals stop at greasy spoons, fish fry stands and hamburger joints, asking for leftover kitchen grease to fuel the vehicle. And like any road trip across the U.S., there are plenty of side-trips through the nation's heart and soul. 8:15p ~ Biofuels Panel Discussion, Emcee Lindsay Hassett, with: - 'girl Mark', Berkeley Biodiesel Collective DIY/Skillshare - Kumar Plocher, Yokayo Biofuels in Ukiah, CA - Mark Armstrong, SRJC Alternative Fuels Instructor Mobile Diesel Mechanic - Rusty Davis, Biofuels Research Cooperative This event is a membership drive and fundraiser for the SoCo BioDiesel Co-op. ItÕs FREE, but donations will be enthusiastically accepted! The SoCo Biodiesel Co-op is a new community-based organization whose mission is to promote, produce, and provide vegetable-oil based fuel. The co-opÕs central goals are to educate the public and policy-makers regarding biofuels--specifically biodiesel; foster cooperative ventures in this field; and to encourage and ease the transition from fossil fuels to alternative fuels. New College of California/North Bay Campus 99 Sixth Street (@ Wilson), near Railroad Square, 1 block north of AÕRoma Roasters Santa Rosa, CA 95401 For more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 707-431-7837 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes vs. Volkswagon
sorry I didn't reply to this earlier. Just found it. That's a bit much for an old mb, although the low miles are enticing. I never buy cars from friends. can cause hard feelings later. mb's are expensive as all get out once stuff starts to happen. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patrick McBrady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mercedes vs. Volkswagon Steve, I have an opportunity to buy an 1985 mercedes 300dt turbo diesel for $2995 with 102,000 miles on it. A friend from church has a 1981 mercedes and he says he spends an average of $100- $125 a month for maitenance and repairs. Does that sound about right? Of course that amount each month would put me deeper in the poor house each month. Any advice? Thanks Patrick M - Original Message - From: Steve Spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mercedes vs. Volkswagon I've driven and owned both. The vw's are cheaper to fix. repairs on the merc will drive you into the poor house. the vw's are long lasting units. 200-300 k miles. also look at ford and dodge trucks. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mercedes vs. Volkswagon Hi, I live in Western Pennsylvania and am looking for a good used vehicle to run on biodiesel. My choices have been rather limited to Volkswagons and Mercedes. I know the book, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, recommends used Volkswagons with 5 stars and only gives Mercedes 3 stars. I am skeptical first simply because the Mercedes reputation to build quality vehicles and second because I see a lot of used Volkswagons for sale with rebuilt engines while every used Mercedes I see has its original engine, some with 250,000 plus miles! I am particularly looking at pre-1990 cars, so with used cars dating before 1990, which vehicle do you think is better for biodiesel and why? Sincerely, Dave Lusher Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
Thank you for info, if others have prices, please give me them. I would also like heating oil in US if someone know. It is very good if I get more prices all over the world, because it is really difficult to get references and a pattern. It is there, but I need more data, to see the politics behind it. Hakan At 09:18 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: 3.22 / gallon is about what we paid today in 4.3 gallon quantities. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
Hi Steve We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. We've had quite a lot of discussion about it here before - re subsidies etc, remember? But we never did get to the bottom of all this. Heavily subsidized crop, and the oil is largely a *by-product*, with the seedcake the main product for livestock feed, *and* it's in surplus to the tune of billions of gallons... and yet you're paying $140 / barrel. Clearly a testament to corporate efficiency, the economies of scale, and the wonders of Big and Central. And of ADM, Monstanto and Dow-Cargill. What always tickles me about all this is how if you go along with it all you're supposed to be helping the farmers rather tha helping ADM, Monstanto and Dow-Cargill, and their open-pocketed pals in high places. :-( But I guess this is what you get, in the US and elsewhere, while there's no real energy policy and biofuels crops are seen as an agriculture issue rather than an energy issue. Not to say that the energy sector is any less a mafia than the agriculture one, obviously not, but at least it's the right sector. Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:21:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper than the diesel at the pump. The heating oil is better to compare with, as I have done. Because the low taxation in US for automotive use, it might be the same thing. Distributor pricing in large quantities for production of biodiesel must be an other deal, since I heard that biodiesel at the pump is around $3 +/- 10% per gallon. In Europe the heating oil is now between 55 cents to 80 cents, depending on country, which is in parity with biodiesel and veg oil with same taxes. Buying rape seed and cold press it give a substantially lower cost for the veg oil and with commercial conversion to biodiesel give a price around 55 cents per liter and 55-70 cents depending on taxation. This with 10 years depreciation of investments and minimum 1.5 million liter production per year. Net profit 10-15%. At current heating oil prices it is close to parity between BD and DD. Hakan At 04:50 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] some results
folks - a couple of things have together at once to dramatically improve my results. first, effectively dewatering the oil. bringing to 60deg C, holdig for 30 mins and letting cool over night. then reheating to 140 for processing to allow for cooling with methanol introduction and process time. Additionally, I have added a 20 micron filter to get nasties out of the oil before processing. voila, clear biodiesel. Joy! I am washing tonight, so I will let you know how that stage goes, but at least the first problem is clearing up...literally. I have a somewhat different question to ask folks here (Hakan?) I recently purchased some HOBO data loggers to monitor loads on campus. To my chagrin, though not mush surprise, I am finding that our freezer compressor runs 85% of the time at 14.5 amps. Youch. It is a Beverage Air Restaurant Freezer that has ben recently serviced and cleaned with the thermostat adjusted properly. Maybe just worn out. Two questions: 1) what is the normal duty cycle for a unit like this? 2) any ideas for replacements? Most of the ultra-efficient companies (Sunfrost, etc) do not offer units large enough for our 70 person community. Thanks again for the tips with the clouds. No doubt I will have more questions, but the dialogue here really helped me work through it. cheers. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor
First you would have to have these fine qualities in the bulk of the people so that leaders can come forward with them in place from having been taught them as they grew up and went through school. This sadly does not seem to be the case today. Regards, Vern What's sad is that we, as Americans, don't require and/or insist on a standard of morality, ethics and character in our leaders. --- Jesse ParrisÊ |Ê studio53Ê |Ê 53 maitland rdÊ |Ê stamford, ctÊ 06906 203.324.4371ÊÊÊ www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Why so much focus Was: Iraqi scientist says ... Was: Voice of Iraqis
It just blows me away .. how much focus ... and focus ... and focus ... is put on how bad Saddam is.Or lookey what sneaky thing Iraq is doing. Notice that each sentence ends with and that's why we need this WAR. And that's why we need this WAR.I SAID AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THIS WAR!! I am NOT Saddam's best friend. Yet I see this. I have not seen a single bomb with Iraqi writing on it ... ever drop on US soil. I have not seen a single Iraqi F15 Phantom Fighter ... loaded with heatseekers ... ever come within a thousand miles of California or New York. I have not seen a single Iraqi amphibious command boat ... loaded with Iraqi soldiers ... ever spotted in American Waters heading for our shores. Their cruise missile ... so many Kilometer overranged ... doesn't even threaten US airspace. In other words I don't see any defense mode justification kicking in. Not obviously anyways. All I see ... is a lot of Economic problems on the Homefront. Every State of the Union running a Deficit. Corruption of every kind running amuck. Enron's ... WorldCom's ... everywhere. NorthWest Airlines ... asking for a bail out. Poverty ... Chicago Slums Los Angeles Smog. CAFE and Emission loopholes encouraging the wrong kinds of vehicles to be (or not be) manufactured. The trade deficit looms.The National Debt .. looms. And lastly YES ... our foreign DEPENDENCE is like WAY too high!! (gotta connect it to biofuels somehow!!). I dunno about ALL you guys (not picking on harley .. at all) but I was always brought up with the notion that ... before commenting on some other guy's way of running his household .. GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. And our house ... is DEFINITELY .. NOT in order Now don't get me wrong ... I'm NOT heartless. I'm NOT immune ... to the cry of an Iraqi mother (or grandmother). I don't RELISH the thought of some madman ... terrorizing his own people. But being at another countries backyard IN THE FACE of that countries business right now seems to be like trying to offer a neighbor help while a kitchen fire in your own home has caught on to a drapery and threatens to burn down your house. To me .. at present ... we seem to be in too many people's business ... while all the while OUR OWN HOME is in shambles. Especially, as I have mentioned, in the area of foreign dependence. I dunno ... that's what gets me ... whenever I hear ads trying to pull my heartstrings ... implying why we need this war. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020916-28573872.htm Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand By Paul Martin THE WASHINGTON TIMES LONDON - Iraq is already using copies of pirated German equipment to process nuclear material for an atomic weapons program, according to a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who testified before the U.S. Senate this summer. That study concluded that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime could make an atomic bomb within months if it succeeded in acquiring the necessary nuclear fuel from an outside source. But Mr. Hamza said Iraq already has... This means, unless he's stopped soon, Saddam will have set up a whole nuclear bomb industry, not just have made a couple of bombs, he said. - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp February 26, 2003, 10:00 a.m. Voice of Iraqis Why don't antiwar types want to hear them? By Amir Taheri The Iraqis had come with placards reading Freedom for Iraq and American rule, a hundred thousand times better than Takriti tyranny! These people are mad, said Awad Nasser, one of Iraq's most famous modernist poets. They are actually signing up to sacrifice their lives to protect a tyrant's death machine. The former film star, now a Labor party member of parliament, had no time for side issues such as the 1.2 million Iraqis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis who have died as a result of Saddam's various wars. But was it not amazing that there could be a rally about Iraq without any mention of what Saddam and his regime have done over almost three decades? Just a little hint, perhaps, that Saddam was still murdering people in his Qasr al-Nayhayah (Palace of the End) prison, and that as the Westerners marched, Iraqis continued to die? We then ran into Tony Benn, a leftist septuagenarian who has recycled himself as a television reporter to interview Saddam in Baghdad. But we knew there was no point in talking to him. The previous night he had appeared on TV to tell the Brits that his friend Saddam was standing for the little people against hegemonistic America. The Iraqis would had much to tell the antiwar marchers, had they had a chance to speak. Fadel Sultani, president of the National Association of Iraqi authors, would have
[Biofuel] Bush Sr. Warning Over Unilateral Action
Bush Sr. Warning Over Unilateral Action Roland Watson The Times UK Monday 10 March 2003 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-605441,00.html The first President Bush has told his son that hopes of peace in the Middle East would be ruined if a war with Iraq were not backed by international unity. Drawing on his own experiences before and after the 1991 Gulf War, Mr Bush Sr said that the brief flowering of hope for Arab-Israeli relations a decade ago would never have happened if America had ignored the will of the United Nations. He also urged the President to resist his tendency to bear grudges, advising his son to bridge the rift between the United States, France and Germany. You've got to reach out to the other person. You've got to convince them that long-term friendship should trump short-term adversity, he said. The former President's comments reflect unease among the Bush family and its entourage at the way that George W. Bush is ignoring international opinion and overriding the institutions that his father sought to uphold. Mr Bush Sr is a former US Ambassador to the UN and comes from a family steeped in multi-lateralist traditions. Although not addressed to his son in person, the message, in a speech at Tufts University in Massachusetts, was unmistakable. Mr Bush Sr even came close to conceding that opponents of his son's case against President Saddam Hussein, who he himself is on record as loathing, have legitimate cause for concern. He said that the key question of how many weapons of mass destruction Iraq held could be debated. The case against Saddam was less clear than in 1991, when Mr Bush Sr led an international coalition to expel invading Iraqi troops from Kuwait. Objectives were a little fuzzier today, he added. After the Gulf War, Mr Bush Sr steered Israel and its Arab neighbours to the Madrid conference, a stepping stone to the historic Israeli-Palestinian Oslo accords, in much the same way that the present President has talked about the removal of Saddam as opening the way to a wider peace in the region. In an ominous warning for his son, Mr Bush Sr said that he would have been able to achieve nothing if he had jeopardised future relations by ignoring the UN. The Madrid conference would never have happened if the international coalition that fought together in Desert Storm had exceeded the UN mandate and gone on its own into Baghdad after Saddam and his forces. Also drawing on the lessons of 1991, he said that it was imperative to mend fences with allies immediately, rather than waiting until after a war. He had been infuriated with the decision of King Hussein of Jordan to side with Saddam rather than the US, but while criticising the Jordanian leader in public and freezing $41 million in US aid, he also passed word to King Hussein that he understood his domestic tensions. Mr Bush Jr, who is said never to forget even relatively minor slights, has alarmed analysts with the way in which he has allowed senior Administration figures such as Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, aggressively to criticise France and Germany. There are, however, signs that Mr Bush Sr's message may be getting through. Father and son talk regularly and it was, in part, pressure from Mr Bush Sr's foreign policy coterie, that helped to persuade the President to go to the UN last September. _ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] some results
Hello Jack and others - 1 check the door seal does it fully make contact the door hinges are adjustable 2 free air flow restriction will cause unit cycle times to be as high as you report. 3 how frequently are you letting the cold escape -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: [biofuel] some results folks - a couple of things have together at once to dramatically improve my results. first, effectively dewatering the oil. bringing to 60deg C, holdig for 30 mins and letting cool over night. then reheating to 140 for processing to allow for cooling with methanol introduction and process time. Additionally, I have added a 20 micron filter to get nasties out of the oil before processing. voila, clear biodiesel. Joy! I am washing tonight, so I will let you know how that stage goes, but at least the first problem is clearing up...literally. I have a somewhat different question to ask folks here (Hakan?) I recently purchased some HOBO data loggers to monitor loads on campus. To my chagrin, though not mush surprise, I am finding that our freezer compressor runs 85% of the time at 14.5 amps. Youch. It is a Beverage Air Restaurant Freezer that has ben recently serviced and cleaned with the thermostat adjusted properly. Maybe just worn out. Two questions: 1) what is the normal duty cycle for a unit like this? 2) any ideas for replacements? Most of the ultra-efficient companies (Sunfrost, etc) do not offer units large enough for our 70 person community. Thanks again for the tips with the clouds. No doubt I will have more questions, but the dialogue here really helped me work through it. cheers. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
