Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
So many are leaving. I'm hearing of so many losses from all my lists and I've lost a loved one myself. This is over and above the mass tragedy in Asia we're all reading about. I'm finding it hard to understand. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] People of Good Will Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:28:49 -0500 Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Hallo Bob, Monday, 27 December, 2004, 18:47:47, you wrote: b Romans 2:13 is also applicable. It reads: For not the hearers of the law b are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. In other b words it isn't those who pay lip service to the law (i.e basic human b morality) but those who practise it who are seen as just in the eyes of God. b That means that even if you have no belief in God in terms of Christian b ideology, whether from ignorance or choice, it is your actions and not your b beliefs that justify you. b Bob. I believe it is the content of your heart which justifies you and that your actions reflect that content. Perhaps just semantics? Be well and happy brother. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Dear Sir, You have my condolences during these holiday times for the passing of yoiu good friend and the passing of your wife. I am not married and never have been married and can understand your anquish. However, I know that family and companionship are important aspects of our lives. Thanks again to Keith, Midori and others for hosting this website so that people of similar sensibilities can exchange words and thoughts about our world and lives. Daryl - we are here for you on this email community. --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt, It seems that China learned fast, from a game that US used to be quite good at and still is. You only have to look at the post WWII economic and corporate policies by US, which was based on utilizing a firm US control of global oil resources. Things are changing and US have not yet discovered that the key to the future must be a very high degree of energy efficiency. US have for some decades now, tried to base their economic position on a service economy instead of industrial production. This incudes high protection of intellectual properties, innovations, etc. One of the problems in this, is that US in reality never have been very strong on innovations. We will see if this policies can maintain a strong US position. Hakan At 07:29 PM 12/29/2004, you wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Philip and all, thank you for your kind thoughts. It was cathartic for me simply to share my feelings. To be clear, it is not my wife who passed away last month, but her mother. Darryl McMahon Dear Sir, You have my condolences during these holiday times for the passing of yoiu good friend and the passing of your wife. I am not married and never have been married and can understand your anquish. However, I know that family and companionship are important aspects of our lives. Thanks again to Keith, Midori and others for hosting this website so that people of similar sensibilities can exchange words and thoughts about our world and lives. Daryl - we are here for you on this email community. --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Peter, I think that China handled themselves on this occasion. After all, US was spying on them and it is other occasions. When US used commercial aircraft against Russia, when they disappeared with passengers and all. Do not forget that China also lost a plane and pilot, when they tried to take the spy plane down. Maybe the question should be, is US a friend of China? Hakan At 02:51 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
Sounds as if you're dead set on getting this car. If you want to reconsider before Friday, I know a jolly good VW diesel mechanic who's second favorite love is putting rebuilt Dubs back on the road. He's presently working on exchanging a sodden gas block with a turbo diesel in his fiance's Jetta. He put a largely rebuilt Golf on the road this summer for a close friend of mine. I probably feel about her security the same way your husband feels about yours, which says a lot as to how good his work is. It's done close to 20,000 miles in five months with only a minor rear wheel bearing blip. I happen to know a peculiar bird who's got three Golfs sitting in the wings waiting to be stripped and rebuilt. I just hate to see someone drop a third of a mortgage on a horseless carriage. Saving ~$13,000 goes a long way towards photovoltaic, thermal collectors and a wind turbine - not to mention the super-insulated, walk-in, solar-fired, freezer/refrigerator that you've had a yen for. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Greetings Todd, As you stated yourself, IF in capital letters, I knew a decent mechanic. I know a lot of rip off artists, quasi capable of oil change high charge ones but no one I would trust. I have watched too many friends try going the route of the rebuild to even think of going there. When one lives in the middle of nowhere, this option can be very tough. My car has to be super dependable. I travel the highway at night and there are lots of areas where there is no cell phone coverage, if I did carry one. The only reason I am getting a new car now, is that I want a diesel. I know that older does not mean DOA. I am currently driving a 1992 Honda that I am selling to a very close friend. My capital cost on that car has been less than $1000/year. I hope to keep the Golf long enough to match that number. The only reason I bought a new car in 1992, was that my previous one was black with no AC and I moved from Edmonton, Canada to Texas. A change in vehicle was required. I buy new, take good care of the vehicle and try to wear it out. Hubby will be retired before this vehicle is done with, so I will have my own mechanic to keep things going. I want a 4 door car, my Mom comes to visit and she no longer fits in the back seat of a 2 door. At 77, I don't expect her to. The back seat of the Golf is nice and comfortable. Yes, the car is fully loaded with all kinds of electronic gadgets. And yes, I do know from my experience with my Honda that they will quit working at about 100,000 miles. Fully loaded, sun roof, heated seats, [why this option in Texas is beyond me] CD player, ad nauseam the car is 19,585. No interest, I am paying cash. This price is only good until Friday morning, next week it is back at sticker price. That inventory tax can help one buy a car at a good deal, but there is not much selection when it come to color. I used to participate in Parking lot racing in Canada, years ago and I love rack and pinion steering. I have a truck for driving on back roads and in the field. I am not putting a trailer hitch on this car, like the Honda had. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:00 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote: Kim, I don't believe VW offers the TDI in a GL 2-door package. You'll have to go 4-door. Diesel option runs ~$1,400. Also, there is no diesel option other than turbo, unlike years past where turbo/non-turbo was an option. Comes with a cat. You might want to ask about specific diesel fuel requirements (ultra-low sulfur, low sulfur, etc.) to preserve the life of the cat. MSRP + tax (7%), tag title for a bare bones bucket of bolts would be ~$19,000. That includes the discount for present VW owners. Doesn't take into consideration any specific dealer incentives. About the only things I would say in favor of a newer model is that they have air bags and 4-wheel-disc ABS brakes. Way too many electric-remote-this-and-thats which will start to go belly up around the 100,000 mile mark (or sooner). Certainly I'm no fan of the hydraulic-assist, rack and pinion steering. Too much opportunity for over-steer in an adverse situation, experienced drivers or not. Were it me, and I had a qualified VW diesel mechanic in my stable of friends (still paying him or her the going rate) I'd rebuild an '85 or '86 from scratch. There are a lot of 'em out there that have no rust and still run. Put in a rebuilt engine and you've got a spare that can be turned into a backup generator. No worries about the automatic this-and-thats on older models. Same fuel economy as a new model. Just depends if you have the cash up front to pour into a restore/rebuild or if the monthly payments (hopefully a super low APR) fit your bank account better. Patience could save you ~$13,000 and a
[Biofuel] Many thanks
Thanks to all those with responses to my post regarding China. I am certain I will have further questions regarding this topic, but for now I have plenty of reading to do. * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Hutchinson Whampoa owns the trans atlantic port facility and several port facilities around the world. In fact they are the biggest private port operator in the world. Headed by Li Ka Shing, the richest self made Chinaman alive and headquartered in HK, does not make him part of China. He is a capitalist, more capitalist than most Americans. Global Crossing was acquired by Singapore Telemedia, owned by the Singapore Technology Group, listed in Singapore and majority owned by the Singapore Government. Singapore is not part of China. Please check your geography. On the other side of the coin, almost 90% of shoes sold in USA, came from China. China only get US$1.00 to US$2.00 per shoe manufacturing shoes for Americans. This amount pays for the Chinese labour, use of the factory and land, electricity and small amount of raw material. Most of the origianl material came from the USA OEM who contarct manufactured shoes like Nike, Reebok, Kimberly Clark and hundereds of others. Are you saying that China rob Americans of the jobs that there are not so keen to do? Do you realise that China is actually reducing inflation for America? How many pair of shoes must China sell to USA in exchange for a Boeing 747? We are not talking about just shoes but almost every affordable items that retails at Walmart. The profit made by the Walmart and thousands of companies that outsourced their manufacturing to China are held by USA, not China. Most Americans accept facts graciously and are generally kind hearted despite being fed with all kinds of twisted facts by the media vested parties, like puppets on a string . Cheers, CS Chua Jet Propulsion in Pasadena was started by a Chinese engineer from China. After the war, someone in Washington decided that all Chinese are Communists. So this brilliant scientist was deported to China in exchnage for a USA pilot shot while overflying Chinese territory. This Chinese scientist eventually lead China to build its own nuclear bomb, ICBM and space rockets. Now Jet Propulsion is an institution America is most proud off. It is NASA most prized possession. Now care to find out who started it? Eat the humble pie and move on. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Dear Sir, I am appalled. I completely missed your original post. Please accept my sincere condolences during this time of great loss for your family. There is not much comfort one can offer via an email, but please know that all the comfort and healing feelings that can be sent your way, are being sent your way. May you, and your family, know peace returning, strength building, and wisdom deepening as you move forward into this new year. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will Philip and all, thank you for your kind thoughts. It was cathartic for me simply to share my feelings. To be clear, it is not my wife who passed away last month, but her mother. Darryl McMahon Dear Sir, You have my condolences during these holiday times for the passing of yoiu good friend and the passing of your wife. I am not married and never have been married and can understand your anquish. However, I know that family and companionship are important aspects of our lives. Thanks again to Keith, Midori and others for hosting this website so that people of similar sensibilities can exchange words and thoughts about our world and lives. Daryl - we are here for you on this email community. --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi Hakan ; I think you have attached hidden meaning and you have mis-understood my message, thereby diluting it and causing mis-direction. I hate what the US is doing around the world as much as anybody (is that a hate crime?). I watch the mind-numbing apathy of the average American, even members of my own family. I am stunned at the enormous size of an SUV. I watch the towers come down amid astounding and appalling security breaches and no-one has been held accountable. I see depleted uranium scattered across Iraq. I see GW Bush become Man of the Year. I find I need to apologize to my European and Muslim friends for America. So believe me I was not trying to make any statement of America's right or wrong on this incident. If it seemed that way it was definately not my intention. My point is that there was an accident for whatever reason, the plane made an emergency landing, the crew was detained, the plane stripped, the situation threatend to escalate out of control. Now we can endlessly debate who was at fault, but a lot of people who are much more knowledgable than me have done it already with no conclusion. So I have not dared venture into that area. I'm surprised you would. I just say that if an accident happened in another country (I wouldn't say that Russia is a good example of a friend country), the situation would have played out differently. Do you agree? My point is that these are not the actions of a friend. What do we mean by friend ? A friend can be wronged and not retaliate. The US spies on all of it's friends. Personally I don't think this is right, but I rather not get into this debate. Echelon, thought to be operated by the National Security Agency, is present in Thailand with the full support and co-operation of the Thai governemnt. This email is being scanned and archived because there are lot's of trigger words. If that plane had landed in Thailand or Britian or Australia or any European country it would have played out differently. Do you agree? So we can say that China is not a friend of the US or the US is not a friend of China, or who is a friend of who, either way. My important point which got diluted, was that anyone that thinks that China and the US can peacefully exist forever is in for a sorry surprise. Do you agree? China is not a friend of the US, and US is not a friend of China. Walt's good post below lists some of the stage-setting that is going on in preparation for the coming confrontation. The flood of cheap goods from China accomplishes two things. It causes a balance otf trade deficit (China gets more dollars), and destroys US domestic production capacity. When the flood of cheap goods stops (which it will eventually), a lot of people will be without because domestic capacity has been destroyed. This happens to be a factor in why I'm here in Thailand and why I belong to the biofuels list. Not every American can't see the writing on the wall. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, I think that China handled themselves on this occasion. After all, US was spying on them and it is other occasions. When US used commercial aircraft against Russia, when they disappeared with passengers and all. Do not forget that China also lost a plane and pilot, when they tried to take the spy plane down. Maybe the question should be, is US a friend of China? Hakan At 02:51 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi CS ; How many pair of shoes must China sell to USA in exchange for a Boeing 747? Yes, but it is all part of the plan. Most Chinese contracts come with strings that stipulate that parts of the plane must be built in China and generally the plane must be assembled in China. So Boeing needs to etablish a plant and train local workers. This is called technology transfer. The Chinese get plane building technology and when the flow of cheap shoes stops, Americans will not have shoes or anything else. (Some list members will get a certain satisafaction from that). Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi CS ; Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Sincere condolences, from us at JtF. I think that word means to be sad with, so I'll add sympathy, to feel for. Some years ago, after losing the last of my family, as well as many friends in different ways over the years, I started saying, You never get over it, you never stop missing them... but you get good at it after awhile. Philip and all, thank you for your kind thoughts. It was cathartic for me simply to share my feelings. It might be more than that. There have been so many cases (not demonstrated to be replicable, so it's not science) where the focused goodwill of a group of people has had a direct and positive effect, though they may not even know each other, nor even the object of their sympathy. Some people call it prayer, though it seems to be independent of religion, others have other names for it, but whatever you want to call it I'm convinced it's real, or I'd be left with too many mere coincidences for credibility, some of them rather startling, and I'm not a credulous person. I hope that may be the case with you - some solace, and a tangible reminder that it's too soon for despair: Abandon hope all ye who enter here is what it says on the gates of Hades, and we're not there yet. Best wishes Keith To be clear, it is not my wife who passed away last month, but her mother. Darryl McMahon Dear Sir, You have my condolences during these holiday times for the passing of yoiu good friend and the passing of your wife. I am not married and never have been married and can understand your anquish. However, I know that family and companionship are important aspects of our lives. Thanks again to Keith, Midori and others for hosting this website so that people of similar sensibilities can exchange words and thoughts about our world and lives. Daryl - we are here for you on this email community. --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
snip The flood of cheap goods from China accomplishes two things. It causes a balance otf trade deficit (China gets more dollars), and destroys US domestic production capacity. When the flood of cheap goods stops (which it will eventually), a lot of people will be without because domestic capacity has been destroyed. The question Who benefits? - and at whose expense? is very useful and can be most revealing if pursued to the bitter (often!) end, but it can also be misplaced and can misdirect. It's led many conspiracists astray, and indeed blinded them to *real* conspiracies happening right under their noses, and to them. I probably agree with you about the geostrategy and policy intentions, on both sides, but I don't think what's happening with trade goods and trade balances and jobs is so easily explained, it's much more complex than just an enemy plot. This happens to be a factor in why I'm here in Thailand and why I belong to the biofuels list. Not every American can't see the writing on the wall. Very many of them can, I've said here quite a few times I think most can, and I still believe that, despite recent events that would seem to indicate the contrary. But what they see and what they do about it and how effective it might be are all different matters, once again mired in complexity, not least that what are probably the most powerful and entrenched forces that ever existed devote huge resources and efforts to keeping them in disarray. No cause for dismay and despond however - I guess the last Tyrannosaurus rex left standing behaved just the same way. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30617/ Mammoth corporations http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1777/ In These Times December 22, 2004 Turning Strangers into Political Friends Washington and Beijing (and the WTO) notwithstanding, there's much more common cause between the *people* of the US and the *people* of China than there's cause for distrust, rivalry and enmity. Best wishes Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, I think that China handled themselves on this occasion. After all, US was spying on them and it is other occasions. When US used commercial aircraft against Russia, when they disappeared with passengers and all. Do not forget that China also lost a plane and pilot, when they tried to take the spy plane down. Maybe the question should be, is US a friend of China? Hakan At 02:51 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh? As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 Best Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Guag, Boeing does no such thing. MD did make some of the doors or some not important part in the host country. The avionics and the complete Boeing plane is made in USA. Do not make wild guesses. You can always stop Walmart and others from using China to contract manufacture low value items. The American consumers will end up paying through their noses. China can always buy planes from Airbus. It is so obvious. USA condemns anyone making armaments but USA and Israel remains the world's biggest arms exporter They want to starve the North Koreans to death. What have they done to justify that? Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. They murdered 50,000 innocent Chinese in tiny Singapore alone ( for sending food and clothes to China to help war torned China), my birthplace and my father is one of them. Is their equality in this world? Have we learned anything from the cruelty inflicted by power hungry countries to defenceless countries. The weapons that killed USA soldiers in Afghhanistan used by the Taleban were supplied by Americans themselves. Carpet bombing of Vietnam using Agent Orange? CS - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi CS ; How many pair of shoes must China sell to USA in exchange for a Boeing 747? Yes, but it is all part of the plan. Most Chinese contracts come with strings that stipulate that parts of the plane must be built in China and generally the plane must be assembled in China. So Boeing needs to etablish a plant and train local workers. This is called technology transfer. The Chinese get plane building technology and when the flow of cheap shoes stops, Americans will not have shoes or anything else. (Some list members will get a certain satisafaction from that). Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Sorel Boots
A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 WorldNet itself raises concerns, caveat emptor (even if it's free). Falwell, Robertson, Hal Lindsey, Savage, Farah, Coulter... what else would you expect? Is CS offering gospel or BS? He's right about Hutchinson Whampoa, Li Ka Shing, Global Crossing, Singapore Telemedia, and about most other things, from what I know. That's his facts anyway - they are facts. I'm not sure about his approach, if it's us vs them (like you) then I don't agree. Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Depends how you play it. Sheer dumb luck aside, a good strategist and tactician will beat a would-be millenial emperor blinded by ambition and ideology. America's Neocons and the neoliberal economists have been playing a long game indeed and continue to play it. US foreign policy post-WWII has not lacked for long-term goals, despite a considerable lack of foresight - see, for instance, among many others: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41438/ See also: http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, by William Blum http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, by William Blum Best wishes Keith Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers born in the UK and others born in the US; I have Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD in power engineering and sells transormers to China and also gets power products from China and sells them to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking markets to sell their products (some green some not) and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying let's wreck the economy and war is inevitable. Some countries still have their home-grown goods by customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the hard products are made locally because of the cultural nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very important to the national pride. So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand quality...at a reaonable price. Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self sufficient. That's my two cents. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi CS ; Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh? As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 Best Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
Keith, I would like to find out more about the catalog you mentioned. Thanks, P.Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore
Hi, I'm trying to prepare my first bio-diesel sample here in singapore. I tried many chemical suppliers and learnt that sodium hyrdroxide(lye) can't be sold to individuals Does anyone from this list can guide by pointing out some suppliers where i can get methanol and lye in singapore ? Your help is very much appreciated. Cheers, Prabu ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
Good old sorrel boats are used daily all around the year in the area called U.P. That is Upper Peninsula Michigan. Those things last forever Good old memories.. Burak -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots Keith, I would like to find out more about the catalog you mentioned. Thanks, P.Wolfe --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots and Crescent, Inc Hosiery
Keith, Marna, and All: Maybe each reader can find their own home-country manufacturer for their respective country. I just read that Sorel signed and agreement with Crescent, Inc., one of the last truly US made hosiery companies. http://www.crescenthosiery.com/index.htm Regarding other countries, I watch a Japanese language channel in San Francisco and see that Japan has many home-grown productsl; soley for affinities in Japan. The same can be said for folks from Mexico and the peculiarities of homegrown products marketed in California for resident Mexican population - chicle, hard to find spices, tamarinds, dried shriimp, etc. And in Seattle, I found some ludefisk, make only in Seattle for local Norwegian population. And in Paris, I recall finding some lovely home manufactured pastries that I would love to ship to the US. And in Dublin, Ireland, I visited the Guiness Brewery and nothing like homegrown Guiness right from the raw tap And my girlfriend from Honduras will die to find any Honduran specialties good market/resturant in San Francisco's Mission District to order platanos with rice and papayas (no tortillas please!) Etcetera, etcetera, etceterasays Yul Brenner. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more on the quality test
Thank you , I was most interested in your post as I am new to making Bio (450lts so far) I had a bad batch which was like milk, I put it aside to let it settle over a week, it did but very little. I bought a new aerator and I think I agitated the mix to much!!! I am a potter and use all sorts of chemicals for my glazes so I thought I would try some to separate the glob. I used Calcium Chloride about 40 ml in a 90ltr batch , the reaction was interesting, both started to separate leaving the soaps in a curdled layer at the bottom . I decanted the clear bio to my wash vessel, I have now washed it 2x and will wash again it is very clear now. Question-- calcium chloride is water soluble, that's why I want to wash it well, but would it do any harm to the engine if there were traces left in the fuel for some reason or other??? if you don't know the answer maybe somebody out there might !. I know this is not the way to make Bio but I didn't want to throw out the batch and I guess we all like to experiment . Peter. John, somone on the yahoo groups list (can't find the message right now, I will post a link when I do) posted results of lab tests that showed low mono or di glycerides but a high level of triglycerides. I admittadly don't understand the chemistry well enough to know why that would happen (or even if it could). perhaps really bad stirring such that part of the fluid volume never became involved in the reaction (is that possible?). Incomplete reactions occur for several basic reasons. 1) Insufficient catalyst, 2) Insufficient alcohol, 3) Insufficient duration of reaction, 4) Insufficient agitation and 5) Feedstock exceedingly high in FFAs, all of which are easily overcome. As well, triglycerides don't appreciably emulsify as do mono- and di-glycerides. which is specifically why I am intarested in a test for them. suggestions that I am barking up the wrong tree are welcome :) If you've got triglycerides remaining you'll also have the emulsifying mono- and di-glycerides, primary emulsifiers. If you've got no emulsifiers present, then you're going to be very hard pressed to find any registerable amount of triglycerides. It's really an either/or scenario. This is where a wash test is a fair indicator. If emulsion forms using water of room temp, presuming sufficient settling time has been conducted (and better still if the reaction was a/b), then you know you've got incompletely reacted mono- and di-glycerides. Whether or not you know the molecular ratio of each, much less that of any tri-glycerides is relatively a non-issue. If it's precise measurements you seek, you're not going to find a homebrew test that will give you any answer. I am less concerned with altering the process to achieve less soap (it seems to produce little enough as it is, provided that you use the right amount of lye) than I am with finding a method to tell the difference between an underreacted batch and a soapy batch, Well, if that's the case, I'd have to say that you've got your priorities out of order. Soap is a variable/emulsifier. It's a variable that competes with other emulsifiers. It's also a waste product that has to be dealt with, to the tune of 6% - 25% of original feedstock volume, depending upon how abused the feedstock is. Best to eliminate and/or reduce variables and waste products wherever possible. Do you want to make soap or do you want to make biodiesel? something like soap emulsifies BD into the water and you get a larger amount of water after settling wheras underreacted emulsifies into the BD so you get a larger top layer Emulsification is just that. It reduces visible volumes of both water and fuel, adding itself as the mid-layer. An emulsion may break over time, with or without treatment. But you'll never have a larger volume in either the water or fuel layer. the answer is reprocess a sample of the batch that failed and look for glyc to drop out, if it dosen't you have soap problems, That's not true. Soap drops with the glyc. If nothing drops then you have no problem. if it does you have underreacted your batch. this may also be my test for triglycerides. No. It just tells you that you had an underreacted batch, not the ratios of underreacted components. I understand, but perhaps having a sense of really great fuel will separate within 4 minutes at 70 degrees wheras less good but passable fuels will separate in 10 or more minutes with the outside limit of pasability being 30 minutes would be helpful. You want a green light so that you can run incompleted fuel through your engine? Why not strive for completed reactions rather than outs? If it's outs that you want, you might keep in mind that many people are running SVO, WVO and even animal fats through their diesels. Those are all virtually 100% incomplete reactions, are they not? But then again, a non-reaction is not going to yield the same end product as an
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
From the US$2.00 paid to the Chinese contract manufacturers, the Reebok or Nikes are retailed for more than US$100.00. Who kept the profit? Let's be realistic. For all these products sold at Walmart, who kept those profits? The Chinese are just cheap labour and cheap electricity. Just because they also need oil to power their industry, to make all these cheap products for USA, doesn't justify making enemy out of them, like some USA media. Cheap oil has powered the whole economy for donkey years and it is time to realise cheap oil cannot exist for obvious reasons. Oil exporters wanted more for their finite resources and they have realised they less they pumped the more they will get for their finite resources. If any country can be energy independent, they have nothing to fear. Biofuel is one way out. CS - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers born in the UK and others born in the US; I have Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD in power engineering and sells transormers to China and also gets power products from China and sells them to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking markets to sell their products (some green some not) and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying let's wreck the economy and war is inevitable. Some countries still have their home-grown goods by customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the hard products are made locally because of the cultural nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very important to the national pride. So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand quality...at a reaonable price. Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self sufficient. That's my two cents. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi CS ; Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh? As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 Best Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi CS ; --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boeing does no such thing. MD did make some of the doors or some not important part in the host country. The avionics and the complete Boeing plane is made in USA. Do not make wild guesses. A quick google turned up : http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/24/Globe1.html To that end, Boeing buys the parts of the wings for its jumbo 747s and for its 737s from the Xian Aircraft Co., the Chinese company that built MIG fighter planes. China has imposed that requirement as a condition of the sale. Eventually, the Chinese factory will produce the tail section for the 737, which now is made at the Boeing plant in Wichita. Chinese engineers have visited Boeing facilities in the United States and Boeing engineers have visited China. How did the Chinese factory secure the tooling and machinery to build tail sections? Boeing supplied the tooling. When asked whether Boeing furnishes tooling to its subcontractors in the United States, a company representative replied: Boeing provides tooling for some suppliers, and the some suppliers provide their own tooling, So it's both. In instructing China, step by step, on how to build its aircraft, Boeing is essentially setting a competitor up in business. The day may well come when China can supply to the world at least some of the planes that Boeing now does, and do it more cheaply. But like much of American business today - and most specifically those businesses that are publicly owned and susceptible to pressures from Wall Street - the Boeing-China deal was more for short-term gains, at the expense of any long-term commitment in America. Please read the rest of that fascinating article. Sure sounds like technology transfer as a condition of sale to me. You can always stop Walmart and others from using China to contract manufacture low value items. Yes the American consumer gets what the American consurer demands. It is so obvious. USA condemns anyone making armaments but USA and Israel remains the world's biggest arms exporter I believe in dictatorships.. As long as I'm the dictator. - GW Bush. Or Be reasonable, do it my way. Or Teamwork is a lot of people working together doing what I say. Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. They murdered 50,000 innocent Chinese in tiny Singapore alone ( for sending food and clothes to China to help war torned China), my birthplace and my father is one of them. I didn't know that but yes I have a copy of Rape of Nanking, and it is a brutal story. Very sorry about your father. Is their equality in this world? Have we learned anything from the cruelty inflicted by power hungry countries to defenceless countries. I would have to say no. Your email brims with deep anger, which is understandable under the circumstances, but it just shows me that more trouble is coming. Please try to understand me. I am not judging anyone right or wrong. If I see dark clouds in the sky I can say that it will rain. The rain will be good for some (farmers) and bad for some (people caught in traffic or floods). This is not a personal bias or preference, and there is no underlying message. I simply say it will rain when I see dark clouds. Then to take this a step further, once we agree that it will rain, we can then take appropriate action (close the windows and doors, find your umbrella). If we cannot agree that it will rain, how can we take appropriate action? I do not say the US is right. Many times I am ashamed of my country. There was a time when America was great, governed by men of integrity (I believe they originally were tax protesters). The US is sliding down the slippery slope. It grieves me to watch it happen. The horrors of humanity's inhumanity are painful for me. I always wonder about why friendly fire incidents get so much coverage, but insurgent deaths get no coverage. Don't we realize that the insurgents have family, wives, children, parents, who love them as much as we love ours. The answer, unfortunately, is no we don't. Every insurgent death brings with it as much pain and sorrow as every friendly fire death. People say they like GW Bush because he sticks to his guns. If that is the case then they should really love the Iraqiis. Have we learned anything? Sadly, no we haven't. With Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi Phillip ; --- Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers born in the UK and others born in the US; I have Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD in power engineering and sells transormers to China and also gets power products from China and sells them to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking markets to sell their products (some green some not) and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying let's wreck the economy and war is inevitable. I would agree and just say that the person on the street doesn't want taxes, but we have taxes. People don't want traffic or car accidents, but there is traffic and car accidents. People don't want disease, but there is disease. People don't want to get divorced, but there is divorce. The average Chinese person didn't want to support Pol Pot's murdurous regime in Cambodia, but China supported it. People don't want their sons and daughters dying in Iraq, but they are dying in Iraq. Many times what people want and what is are not the same. Some countries still have their home-grown goods by customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the hard products are made locally because of the cultural nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very important to the national pride. So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand quality...at a reaonable price. Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self sufficient. That's my two cents. Absolutely right, the consumer gets what they demand. I was in the store the other day at the fresh baked counter. Exipration dates are 3 days after production. A lady was complaining that the bread was only one day over expiration and it was moldy. I promply bought two loaves. The fact that it molded quickly means that they do not load it up with preservatives. This as hidden from her eyes. (I freeze mine). At the local 7-11, there are two isles of junk food, potato chips, snacks, cookies, chocolate, etc. One small shelf for fresh fruits. Nobody complains. The consumer gets what the consumer demands. Sorry out there but my feeling is the average consumer is not capable of intelligent choices after exposure to the mass media. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Daryl, Please accept my condolences along with the others on this board. Brian Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Nike.
Hi CS ; --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the US$2.00 paid to the Chinese contract manufacturers, the Reebok or Nikes are retailed for more than US$100.00. Who kept the profit? Let's be realistic. For all these products sold at Walmart, who kept those profits? The Chinese are just cheap labour and cheap electricity. Just because they also need oil to power their industry, to make all these cheap products for USA, doesn't justify making enemy out of them, like some USA media. Please relax. No one here is making the Chinese out to be enemies. The US is following certain economic policies which will lead to a certain economic effects. Nobody here is blaming anybody. Please relax. It is not so much as who keeps the profit as a trade deficit problem. The balance of trade deficit and exporting inflation will eventually come home to roost. The Chinese are not to blame, but I fear they will be blamed when TSHTF. This will have the effect of aggrivate an already bad situation. The Americans will need someone to blame besides themselves, after all. Watch for any move to uncouple the international dollar from the domestic dollar. If that happens, crawl under the table. Cheap oil has powered the whole economy for donkey years and it is time to realise cheap oil cannot exist for obvious reasons. Oil exporters wanted more for their finite resources and they have realised they less they pumped the more they will get for their finite resources. If any country can be energy independent, they have nothing to fear. Like Iraq? Biofuel is one way out. Absolutely!! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt, U are so myopic that u cannot see further than your nose. Japanese have been accumulating billion of balance-of-account every year since 1960's. Japan-bashing by USA medai used to be the norm during the Cold Wars over this matter. But I guess the Japanese are now getting wiser by paying those media writers to China-bash instead. FYI, Japan holding of USA Treasury Bills etc is at least 50 times that of China. So how can China's holding of US$ affect the Japanese economy, unless yo u have eaten too much sushi and cannot count. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 09:32 PM 12/29/2004, CS wrote: Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
Hi Keith, Philip, and other list members, I am going to take this further. Perhaps I will look at America, and Canada, for starters. I am mostly interested in things like hand tools, clothing (kids school clothes, men's and women's active wear, work clothes, undergarments, etc.) lawn and garden items, etc. Already reads like a Wal-mart isle, doesn't it? I want to see my family's need's sourced as close to home as possible because that makes the most sense. It makes sense financially. It makes sense environmentally. It makes sense strategically. It makes sense tactically. Would I cross a national border to purchase an item simply because it can be had for less money over there? For lower price alone, absolutely not. For better quality. For a better value. These last two I would consider, yes. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
If I lived any where near you, I would definitely follow your plan. However, the towing bill to get my vehicle back to the mechanic, if it did break, would eat up all the savings. I will not have my mechanic for another 3 years, and the savings on the car wouldn't be enough to get him home earlier. Does that $7000.00 you are quoting cover the reupholstering that would be needed as well? In the Texas heat, the cushions on the seats wear our real fast and old vehicles down here are real uncomfortable unless you strip them and rebuild. Bodies rust, very quickly from the high humidity and salt content in all the water and environment, so I assume a good paint job is extra. I have several friends who would like a diesel and can not afford a new one. They may be interested. However, the banks down here will not finance a vehicle over 10 years old. And actually, the car is closer to 2/3 of the mortgage on this place. But I only finaced the land, no house payment. I have built the place cash, and yes, my walk in fridge/freezer will be done by the end of 2006. I am still working on many design elements, so I am not sure exactly what I want for many of my projects. Last months electric bill was down to $48.4 using 477 kwh. Considering that I have to use grow lights to keep my stevia and other tropicals healthy during the short day, I think this is doing rather well. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:09 PM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Hellow Kim, Sounds as if you're dead set on getting this car. If you want to reconsider before Friday, I know a jolly good VW diesel mechanic who's second favorite love is putting rebuilt Dubs back on the road. He's presently working on exchanging a sodden gas block with a turbo diesel in his fiance's Jetta. He put a largely rebuilt Golf on the road this summer for a close friend of mine. I probably feel about her security the same way your husband feels about yours, which says a lot as to how good his work is. It's done close to 20,000 miles in five months with only a minor rear wheel bearing blip. I happen to know a peculiar bird who's got three Golfs sitting in the wings waiting to be stripped and rebuilt. I just hate to see someone drop a third of a mortgage on a horseless carriage. Saving ~$13,000 goes a long way towards photovoltaic, thermal collectors and a wind turbine - not to mention the super-insulated, walk-in, solar-fired, freezer/refrigerator that you've had a yen for. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Greetings Todd, As you stated yourself, IF in capital letters, I knew a decent mechanic. I know a lot of rip off artists, quasi capable of oil change high charge ones but no one I would trust. I have watched too many friends try going the route of the rebuild to even think of going there. When one lives in the middle of nowhere, this option can be very tough. My car has to be super dependable. I travel the highway at night and there are lots of areas where there is no cell phone coverage, if I did carry one. The only reason I am getting a new car now, is that I want a diesel. I know that older does not mean DOA. I am currently driving a 1992 Honda that I am selling to a very close friend. My capital cost on that car has been less than $1000/year. I hope to keep the Golf long enough to match that number. The only reason I bought a new car in 1992, was that my previous one was black with no AC and I moved from Edmonton, Canada to Texas. A change in vehicle was required. I buy new, take good care of the vehicle and try to wear it out. Hubby will be retired before this vehicle is done with, so I will have my own mechanic to keep things going. I want a 4 door car, my Mom comes to visit and she no longer fits in the back seat of a 2 door. At 77, I don't expect her to. The back seat of the Golf is nice and comfortable. Yes, the car is fully loaded with all kinds of electronic gadgets. And yes, I do know from my experience with my Honda that they will quit working at about 100,000 miles. Fully loaded, sun roof, heated seats, [why this option in Texas is beyond me] CD player, ad nauseam the car is 19,585. No interest, I am paying cash. This price is only good until Friday morning, next week it is back at sticker price. That inventory tax can help one buy a car at a good deal, but there is not much selection when it come to color. I used to participate in Parking lot racing in Canada, years ago and I love rack and pinion steering. I have a truck for driving on back roads and in the field. I am not putting a trailer hitch on this car, like the Honda had. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:00 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote: Kim, I don't believe VW offers the TDI in a GL 2-door package. You'll have to go 4-door. Diesel option runs ~$1,400.
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Sorell Boots
Try American Apparell. TheyÕre on the web. Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Mark twain quote was [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hey Brian, Try this site for quotes and look about 1/2 way down the page http://home.att.net/~quotesexchange/marktwain.html Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Peter, I did not meant to attach a hidden meaning, but I did try to add some clarifications to the spy plane incident. If that would have happened in Russia during the heights of the cold war, which it actually did, the US pilots would have been thrown in jail and used for large PR court cases, if they were not just executed. The same would have been the case if US would bring down a Chinese spy plane today. The US crew refused to adhere to orders to land the plane and in this process they collided with one of the fighters. This resulted in that both the fighter plane and its pilot was lost and that the spy plane was damaged so it had to land. China dismounted the plane and documented the design carefully, so US did not have to do that part of the work. They did not mount it again and US was offered to pick up the plane in pieces. It was a good offer, especially if you think about the large amounts of planes that US picked up from defectors in the past and that never was returned. I think it was a terrible example you gave and it did not really supported what you wanted to bring forward. I have a lot to say about US corporations benefiting from cheap labor in developing countries. In most cases the country in question get the benefit of work for their citizens, but the profits are collected by US corporate multinationals. These profits are accounted for in US and with the US laws, many international corporations are also forced to consolidate their global activities in US. This because of very smart US laws. To avoiding this, Shell for example, is divided into two independent unit, with no mix of their activities. The US multinationals have very favorable tax regulations and protection from currency fluctuations. It is no country in the world that give more assistance to successful international corporations. I have never seen such favorable consolidation rules for international activities in any other country. Made in China or any other country, leave in the majority of cases huge profits in US corporations, who loses if they bring the money home, instead of reinvesting it outside US. If they would reinvest in US, they would get punished by the local taxes. US tax rules and labor costs in combination, make it very expensive to have production facilities in US. This is not only because of salary levels, but even more because of all the tax incentives that encourage foreign production facilities and that the US tax payers will pick up a very large part of the foreign risks. When I was writing this, I saw a posting by Keith, which complements what I am saying and will therefore stop here. Hakan At 04:40 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Hakan ; I think you have attached hidden meaning and you have mis-understood my message, thereby diluting it and causing mis-direction. I hate what the US is doing around the world as much as anybody (is that a hate crime?). I watch the mind-numbing apathy of the average American, even members of my own family. I am stunned at the enormous size of an SUV. I watch the towers come down amid astounding and appalling security breaches and no-one has been held accountable. I see depleted uranium scattered across Iraq. I see GW Bush become Man of the Year. I find I need to apologize to my European and Muslim friends for America. So believe me I was not trying to make any statement of America's right or wrong on this incident. If it seemed that way it was definately not my intention. My point is that there was an accident for whatever reason, the plane made an emergency landing, the crew was detained, the plane stripped, the situation threatend to escalate out of control. Now we can endlessly debate who was at fault, but a lot of people who are much more knowledgable than me have done it already with no conclusion. So I have not dared venture into that area. I'm surprised you would. I just say that if an accident happened in another country (I wouldn't say that Russia is a good example of a friend country), the situation would have played out differently. Do you agree? My point is that these are not the actions of a friend. What do we mean by friend ? A friend can be wronged and not retaliate. The US spies on all of it's friends. Personally I don't think this is right, but I rather not get into this debate. Echelon, thought to be operated by the National Security Agency, is present in Thailand with the full support and co-operation of the Thai governemnt. This email is being scanned and archived because there are lot's of trigger words. If that plane had landed in Thailand or Britian or Australia or any European country it would have played out differently. Do you agree? So we can say that China is not a friend of the US or the US is not a friend of China, or who is a friend of who, either way. My important point which got diluted, was that anyone that thinks that China and the US can peacefully exist forever is in for a sorry surprise. Do
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt, If one start to dump, the others will follow and it is not any real gains in it, as long as US can be regarded as a good security risk. The problem is more a question if the current US leadership does what they have to do and do not bring US to a situation were they will become a bad risk. Economic warfare as you picture it, is not likely with sound US economic policies. The current weaknesses are wholly a responsibility of the sitting president and his administration. It is many well reputed US economists who has reacted against the current policies and many have resigned from high government posts. Hakan At 07:08 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: At 09:32 PM 12/29/2004, CS wrote: Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? U.S, Mexico? Ireland? New Zealand? etc.
I think CSC, Anti-Fossil, Guag, and all our readers have good points. And because we readers have common interests and sensibilities it is good to have a debate. Each country and more importantly each individual possess a value in our world. CSC-Propulsion has probably seen more of the ugly things of the world than me and understand the points. And Anti-Fossil understands the benefits of maintaining balance. Together we can make change and I think that is probably why Journey to Forever website was formed (thank you Keith and Midori). As JTF readers, Let us set some goals this New Year of doing at least a few great things. My goals for you all are: 1) To finalize and summarize the costs and approach to buying an orphan vacated U.S. gas station and converting it into a clean fuel/biodiesel gas station, including incentives from DOE, commercial credit, maybe a co-op, and other various factors. 2) I plan to get a real job to supplement my consulting in energy efficnecy and renewables in order to assist people like you readers and people of similar sensibilitities 3) Gain a better understanding of how I can use locally made regional goods and services and do a better job of recycling, and offering homegrown goods and services to help my immediate neighbors. 4) I will not be as afraid and fearful in life and write my congressman and get involved for local and regional change. --- Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Wouldn't that strategy be detrimental to the Chinese? Would it be wise to make such a tremendous investment only to watch its value evaporate? What of the Chinese economy in that case? The Chinese are clever people. (There are, in fact, clever people all over the world.) Why would they seek the demise of their largest market? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
Any authorized VW repair island can fix an '86 Dub just as well as a mechanic specializing in diesel Dubs 1,000 miles distant from your home. While the rules of rebuild warranty are a bit different from factory warranties, that doesn't mean that repairs (if needed) can't be accomplished at some distance from the mechanic that did the original rebuild. As for a $7,000 price tag on a restore/rebuild? We actually calculate the cost around $6,000, including paint, rust-proofing, wind-screen reinstallations and new weather stripping. That also includes a rebuilt motor (non-turbo, mechanical lifters) and transmission, new clutch, new front and rear struts, brakes, wheel bearings, flushed coolant and heater cores and electrical harness if needed. I think you could get a pair of bucket seats and rear seats reupholstered with the paltry $1,000 left over. Maybe they'd throw in a pair of fuzzy dice for free? As to your need for grow lights? Uh.is that sustainable? If they're mandatory, you might care to look at some of the T-5 lamps/fixtures that are available now in full spectrum. They're starting to make their way out of the new-construction/retrofit markets and into the greenhouse circuit. Darned things will half-blind a mammal but plants are suppposed to luv 'em. They're considerably less energy hogs than the greenhouse industry norms up to this point. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Greetings Todd, If I lived any where near you, I would definitely follow your plan. However, the towing bill to get my vehicle back to the mechanic, if it did break, would eat up all the savings. I will not have my mechanic for another 3 years, and the savings on the car wouldn't be enough to get him home earlier. Does that $7000.00 you are quoting cover the reupholstering that would be needed as well? In the Texas heat, the cushions on the seats wear our real fast and old vehicles down here are real uncomfortable unless you strip them and rebuild. Bodies rust, very quickly from the high humidity and salt content in all the water and environment, so I assume a good paint job is extra. I have several friends who would like a diesel and can not afford a new one. They may be interested. However, the banks down here will not finance a vehicle over 10 years old. And actually, the car is closer to 2/3 of the mortgage on this place. But I only finaced the land, no house payment. I have built the place cash, and yes, my walk in fridge/freezer will be done by the end of 2006. I am still working on many design elements, so I am not sure exactly what I want for many of my projects. Last months electric bill was down to $48.4 using 477 kwh. Considering that I have to use grow lights to keep my stevia and other tropicals healthy during the short day, I think this is doing rather well. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:09 PM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Hellow Kim, Sounds as if you're dead set on getting this car. If you want to reconsider before Friday, I know a jolly good VW diesel mechanic who's second favorite love is putting rebuilt Dubs back on the road. He's presently working on exchanging a sodden gas block with a turbo diesel in his fiance's Jetta. He put a largely rebuilt Golf on the road this summer for a close friend of mine. I probably feel about her security the same way your husband feels about yours, which says a lot as to how good his work is. It's done close to 20,000 miles in five months with only a minor rear wheel bearing blip. I happen to know a peculiar bird who's got three Golfs sitting in the wings waiting to be stripped and rebuilt. I just hate to see someone drop a third of a mortgage on a horseless carriage. Saving ~$13,000 goes a long way towards photovoltaic, thermal collectors and a wind turbine - not to mention the super-insulated, walk-in, solar-fired, freezer/refrigerator that you've had a yen for. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Greetings Todd, As you stated yourself, IF in capital letters, I knew a decent mechanic. I know a lot of rip off artists, quasi capable of oil change high charge ones but no one I would trust. I have watched too many friends try going the route of the rebuild to even think of going there. When one lives in the middle of nowhere, this option can be very tough. My car has to be super dependable. I travel the highway at night and there are lots of areas where there is no cell phone coverage, if I did carry one. The only reason I am getting a new car now, is that I want a diesel. I know that older does not mean DOA. I am currently driving a 1992 Honda that I am selling to a very close
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
The Chinese are clever people. (There are, in fact, clever people all over the world.) Why would they seek the demise of their largest market? Demise would probably not be an adequate context. Subserviant, dependant or beholding might better fit. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Walt Patrick wrote: That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Wouldn't that strategy be detrimental to the Chinese? Would it be wise to make such a tremendous investment only to watch its value evaporate? What of the Chinese economy in that case? The Chinese are clever people. (There are, in fact, clever people all over the world.) Why would they seek the demise of their largest market? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Robert, Demise would probably not be an adequate context. Subserviant, dependant or beholding might better fit. Todd Swearingen Is that not already the case? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: New Year Goals
I am far from perfect but would like to express to you again that together we can make change and I think that is probably why Journey to Forever website was formed (thank you Keith and Midori). As JTF readers Let us set some goals this New Year of doing at least a few great things. As it pertains to the discussions on this listserv my goals for the New Year for you all are: 1) To finalize and summarize the costs and approach to buying an orphan vacated U.S. gas station and converting it into a clean fuel/biodiesel gas station, including incentives from DOE, commercial credit, maybe a co-op, and other various factors. 2) FOr me, I plan to get a real job to supplement my consulting in energy efficnecy and renewable fuels/regional planing in order to assist people like you readers and people of similar sensibilities 3) Gain a better understanding of how I can use locally made regional goods and services and do a better job of recycling, and offering homegrown goods and services to help my immediate neighbors. 4) I will not be as afraid and fearful in life and write my congressman and get involved for local and regional change; regardless of my personal failures. 5) Try to be aware of the plight of others in other countries and worlds. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hallo Peter, Hakan, All, One thing I think everyone should understand is that all governments spy on one another. No one has clean hands in this area. The US spied on China? So what? China spies on us and everyone else just like everyone else. Espionage of one sort or another is as old as civilization. Economic, political, military. No matter. It happens because of self interest and despite our best philosophical and religious teachings we have not yet learned that we are all one. Until we learn that this sort of thing is going to keep on happening and we apparently are never going to learn this lesson. Those of us who have learned this lesson are in the minority and fighting an uphill battle, but it is one which we need to keep on fighting. Governments are only friendly to one another when it serves their purpose. When they find they have divergent interests then they may appear to be friendly but in reality they are not. They share information and resources when it is in their interests and when it is not they withhold the same or pass on false and misleading information or make excuses as to why they cannot help. Again, no one has clean hands here. It is my sincere hope that given the internet and the possibility of communicating with others in other countries that we come to realize that people in general all want the same thing for themselves which is peace and enough. Enough food, shelter, work, friendship, safety. There are those few at the top who want it all and they are the ones who manipulate the rest for their own ends. If we pay attention we can see this. If we don't then things will not change. The blame game is not the best thing for us to be playing. It is better to recognize that every country has its good and bad points, its faults and its advantages. No country has the market cornered on good or evil. When I was in the military I was in Naples, Italy and there was a certain section of town which was off limits because it was a Communist stronghold and both the Italian and US authorities thought it would be dangerous for a US serviceman to go there. Of course I went there straight away. I sat down in a bar and ordered beer and the commies came up and started talking to me. At first they were a bit cautious and hostile and we certainly had different views of how the world should be run but we found common ground on what we all wanted which was peace and enough. When the Italian police and US military police found out there was a serviceman in the place they tried to come in and take me out and arrest me but my enemies, the commies refused them admittance and hustled me out the back door to another place where we continued our conversation undisturbed. No minds were changed that day when it came to politics but a mutual understanding and respect was achieved without violence and without strife. It is possible. I have seen how far this list has come from a year ago and am amazed and impressed. We have had our disagreements and not everyone thinks the same but with reason and tolerance we have become a pretty good family unit I think. Those who have sought to disrupt the list because of their own self interests and beliefs are gone in the main. Those of us left are civil, tolerant and reasonable in the main. We still have a ways to go but then we are always going to have a ways to go. Perfection doesn't seem destined for this world but that doesn't mean we should stop trying. If our governments, militaries and economic entities want to play at division let the common people play at peace and cooperation. Much has been achieved with more to follow. There is always hope for change. Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 29 December, 2004, 22:40:12, you wrote: GM Hi Hakan ; ...snip... GM My point is that there was an accident for whatever GM reason, the plane made an emergency landing, the crew GM was detained, the plane stripped, the situation GM threatend to escalate out of control. Now we can GM endlessly debate who was at fault, but a lot of people GM who are much more knowledgable than me have done it GM already with no conclusion. So I have not dared GM venture into that area. I'm surprised you would. I GM just say that if an accident happened in another GM country (I wouldn't say that Russia is a good example GM of a friend country), the situation would have GM played out differently. Do you agree? GM My point is that these are not the actions of a GM friend. What do we mean by friend ? A friend can be GM wronged and not retaliate. The US spies on all of GM it's friends. Personally I don't think this is GM right, but I rather not get into this debate. GM Echelon, thought to be operated by the National GM Security Agency, is present in Thailand with the full GM support and co-operation of the Thai
[Biofuel] Killing peasants to drill for oil
Can someone explain why it seems to be common practice to drive off the peasants in order to drill for oil? The farmers are working the surface of the land and the oil is miles below. So, why doesn't the governments/oil companies simply build a road out to where the derrick needs to be and drill a well? The farmers end up with a nice road to use to haul their produce to market, and the greedy oil bastards get rich; everyone is happy. Besides, why spend 80% of your oil revenue on weapons to kill off peasants. The pollution from oil development will kill off most of the peasants anyway. I apologize for being so blunt, but that fact is the very reason I am confused. The peasants do not have any effective means to fight against helicopters, rockets, and machine guns. Why bother with all of the warring, unless there is some other reason. Mike Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:52:08 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] China Invests Heavily In Sudan's Oil Industry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ; format=flowed http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21143-2004Dec22?language=printer China Invests Heavily In Sudan's Oil Industry Beijing Supplies Arms Used on Villagers By Peter S. Goodman Washington Post Foreign Service Thursday, December 23, 2004; Page A01 LEAL, Sudan -- On this parched and dusty African plain, China's largest energy company is pumping crude oil, sending it 1,000 miles upcountry through a Chinese-made pipeline to the Red Sea, where tankers wait to ferry it to China's industrial cities. Chinese laborers based in a camp of prefabricated sheds work the wells and lay highways across the flats to make way for heavy machinery. Only seven miles south, the rebel army that controls much of southern Sudan marches troops through this sun-baked town of mud huts. For years, the rebels have attacked oil installations, seeking to deprive the Sudan government of the wherewithal to pursue a civil war that has killed more than 2 million people and displaced 4 million from their homes over the past two decades. But the Chinese laborers are protected: They work under the vigilant gaze of Sudanese government troops armed largely with Chinese-made weapons -- a partnership of the world's fastest-growing oil consumer with a pariah state accused of fostering genocide in its western Darfur region. China's transformation from an insular, agrarian society into a key force in the global economy has spawned a voracious appetite for raw materials, sending its companies to distant points of the globe in pursuit -- sometimes to lands shunned by the rest of the world as rogue states. China's relationship with Sudan has become particularly deep, demonstrating that China's commercial relations are intensifying human rights concerns outside its borders while beginning to clash with U.S. policies and interests. Sudan is China's largest overseas oil project. China is Sudan's largest supplier of arms, according to a former Sudan government minister. Chinese-made tanks, fighter planes, bombers, helicopters, machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades have intensified Sudan's two-decade-old north-south civil war. A cease-fire is in effect and a peace agreement is expected to be signed by year-end. But the fighting in Sudan's Darfur region rages on, as government-backed Arab militias push African tribes off their land. China in October signed a $70 billion oil deal with Iran, and the evolving ties between those two countries could complicate U.S. efforts to isolate Iran diplomatically or pressure it to give up its ambitions for nuclear weapons. China is also pursuing oil in Angola. In the case of Sudan, Africa's largest country, China is in a lucrative partnership that delivers billions of dollars in investment, oil revenue and weapons -- as well as diplomatic protection -- to a government accused by the United States of genocide in Darfur and cited by human rights groups for systematically massacring civilians and chasing them off ancestral lands to clear oil-producing areas. The country once gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden and is listed by Washington as a state supporter of terrorism. U.S. companies are prohibited from investing there. Part of a broader push by China to expand trade and influence across the African continent, its relationship with Sudan also demonstrates the intensity of China's quest for energy security and its willingness to do business wherever it must to lock up oil. From Kazakhstan to the Middle East, past pursuits have ended in failure as Chinese firms have been aced out by the multinational titans that dominate the energy business. Japan appears set to claim Siberian stocks that China once thought were in hand. The U.S.-led war in Iraq has thrown Chinese oil
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
washingtonpost.com Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices Retailer Squeezes Its Asian Suppliers to Cut Costs By Peter S. Goodman and Philip P. Pan Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, February 8, 2004; Page A01 - Many Japanese companies also do this in China (and elsewhere), it's virtual slavery. Best Keith I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers born in the UK and others born in the US; I have Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD in power engineering and sells transormers to China and also gets power products from China and sells them to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking markets to sell their products (some green some not) and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying let's wreck the economy and war is inevitable. Some countries still have their home-grown goods by customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the hard products are made locally because of the cultural nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very important to the national pride. So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand quality...at a reaonable price. Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self sufficient. That's my two cents. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi CS ; Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh? As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 Best Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt Patrick wrote: That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Wouldn't that strategy be detrimental to the Chinese? Would it be wise to make such a tremendous investment only to watch its value evaporate? What of the Chinese economy in that case? The Chinese are clever people. (There are, in fact, clever people all over the world.) Why would they seek the demise of their largest market? I absolutely agree that the Chinese are clever people. I would also add that I believe they're deadly serious about what they're doing. CS would evidently have us believe that the Chinese didn't understand what they were doing when they devalued their currency and then pegged it to the dollar. Perhaps, but I don't buy it. I think they had a plan and were acting in accordance with that plan. I may not know what their plan was, but I'm confident that they acted reasonably and in accordance with their traditions and world view. Politics at that level is a multi-track affair, and some of the tracks contradict other tracks. For example, one might was well ask why the US, or Russia, or China would build nuclear arsenals capable of blowing their customers back into the Stone Age? Destroying one's customers is obviously not good for business, but there are certain geopolitical advantages to be had from possessing the ability to do that. Just as there are advantages to be gained from _being able_ to nuke the other side's economy, which you'll please note, is a different thing from actually doing it. Within living memory, China has taken economic steps which resulted in the deaths of millions of their own citizens; I therefore conclude that they wouldn't blush at taking steps which diminished the quality of life for Americans or Japanese. For example, their ability to throw the US economy into a tailspin by dumping dollars makes for an interesting non-nuclear option for them to threaten deploy when they decide to resolve the Taiwan problem. I'm happy that CS trusts the Chinese government and it's intentions. I don't. Heck, I don't trust the intentions of the US government, or the French government, or the German government (I trust you get the pattern here). About the best I can hope for is that they are acting in their reasonable self interest - i.e. that the folks in charge are not fools. My position would be that the folks in charge in China are not fools, and neither are they stooges for Wal-Mart. My guess is that they have a plan to convert the US into a colony exporting food and raw materials to China; I could be wrong, but that's the way the future looks to me. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: New Year Goals, Re[2]: [Biofuel] Made in China?
What fine messages for the end of the year! And the beginning of the next one. Thankyou! I am far from perfect but would like to express to you again that together we can make change and I think that is probably why Journey to Forever website was formed (thank you Keith and Midori). You're welcome Phillip, and yes it was. And Peter G., you wrote this: The horrors of humanity's inhumanity are painful for me. I always wonder about why friendly fire incidents get so much coverage, but insurgent deaths get no coverage. Don't we realize that the insurgents have family, wives, children, parents, who love them as much as we love ours. The answer, unfortunately, is no we don't. Every insurgent death brings with it as much pain and sorrow as every friendly fire death. People say they like GW Bush because he sticks to his guns. If that is the case then they should really love the Iraqiis. Have we learned anything? Sadly, no we haven't. Humanity's inhumanity? And then you wrote this: The consumer gets what the consumer demands. Sorry out there but my feeling is the average consumer is not capable of intelligent choices after exposure to the mass media. Correct identification of villain and victim. I keep saying, and knowing it's true, that we humans are just fine, but our institutions are another matter - and they are NOT human. That they're composed of humans is beside the point - corporations of various ilk may have more human rights than you do, but they are not not even remotely human. That is not to say that they're all evil, of course they're not, but even those that aren't are still not human. Nor are they inviolable or omnipotent. We ordinary people, Gustl's common people, will win this age-old game in the end, it's our destiny. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30617/ [biofuel] Mammoth corporations http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous5.html#140202#creed Feel No Remorse -- The Corporate Creed There are good resources on all this in that FYI section at JtF and in the list archives. You really should check this out, IMHO, there's no need to be so pessimistic, and I don't think it's your nature. I've been there, I was angry for years, angry about all the callous injustice in the world. Indeed I had so much to be angry about, I was encountering it face to face all the time in my work. But, it's the wrong approach. I stopped being angry about 15 years ago. The sources of the anger remain, or in many (but not all) cases have increased, I don't pretend about it, I do confront it, I don't have any time for rose-tinted specs, and, truth to tell, I still do get angry sometimes, but it's short-lived, and it doesn't colour my vision. Phillip is saying nice things about JtF, Gustl about the list community. I don't think such things can be built out of anger or pessimism. It's a choice you can make. Best wishes Keith As JTF readers Let us set some goals this New Year of doing at least a few great things. As it pertains to the discussions on this listserv my goals for the New Year for you all are: 1) To finalize and summarize the costs and approach to buying an orphan vacated U.S. gas station and converting it into a clean fuel/biodiesel gas station, including incentives from DOE, commercial credit, maybe a co-op, and other various factors. 2) FOr me, I plan to get a real job to supplement my consulting in energy efficnecy and renewable fuels/regional planing in order to assist people like you readers and people of similar sensibilities 3) Gain a better understanding of how I can use locally made regional goods and services and do a better job of recycling, and offering homegrown goods and services to help my immediate neighbors. 4) I will not be as afraid and fearful in life and write my congressman and get involved for local and regional change; regardless of my personal failures. 5) Try to be aware of the plight of others in other countries and worlds. Hallo Peter, Hakan, All, One thing I think everyone should understand is that all governments spy on one another. No one has clean hands in this area. The US spied on China? So what? China spies on us and everyone else just like everyone else. Espionage of one sort or another is as old as civilization. Economic, political, military. No matter. It happens because of self interest and despite our best philosophical and religious teachings we have not yet learned that we are all one. Until we learn that this sort of thing is going to keep on happening and we apparently are never going to learn this lesson. Those of us who have learned this lesson are in the minority and fighting an uphill battle, but it is one which we need to keep on fighting. Governments are only friendly to one another when it serves their purpose. When they find they have divergent interests then they may appear to be friendly but in reality they are not. They share information
Re: [Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore
Prau, Have you recieved an answer to your question yet? If not, I will send you information but it may be at a commerical type facility instead of retail and in larger volume. Phillip Wolfe --- prabu anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to prepare my first bio-diesel sample here in singapore. I tried many chemical suppliers and learnt that sodium hyrdroxide(lye) can't be sold to individuals Does anyone from this list can guide by pointing out some suppliers where i can get methanol and lye in singapore ? Your help is very much appreciated. Cheers, Prabu ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
do live in Texas and that is not optional. As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows naturally. Isn't it always a question of balance? Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:26 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Kim, Any authorized VW repair island can fix an '86 Dub just as well as a mechanic specializing in diesel Dubs 1,000 miles distant from your home. While the rules of rebuild warranty are a bit different from factory warranties, that doesn't mean that repairs (if needed) can't be accomplished at some distance from the mechanic that did the original rebuild. As for a $7,000 price tag on a restore/rebuild? We actually calculate the cost around $6,000, including paint, rust-proofing, wind-screen reinstallations and new weather stripping. That also includes a rebuilt motor (non-turbo, mechanical lifters) and transmission, new clutch, new front and rear struts, brakes, wheel bearings, flushed coolant and heater cores and electrical harness if needed. I think you could get a pair of bucket seats and rear seats reupholstered with the paltry $1,000 left over. Maybe they'd throw in a pair of fuzzy dice for free? As to your need for grow lights? Uh.is that sustainable? If they're mandatory, you might care to look at some of the T-5 lamps/fixtures that are available now in full spectrum. They're starting to make their way out of the new-construction/retrofit markets and into the greenhouse circuit. Darned things will half-blind a mammal but plants are suppposed to luv 'em. They're considerably less energy hogs than the greenhouse industry norms up to this point. Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)
Hi Kim, I think you're doing well. Still working toward severing the grid connection to save the trees? Sounds like you're making progress. Averaging about 16 kWhs/day. You are now in the range where you have some viable off-grid options. Generator set for starters, run a couple of times a day with a battery bank and inverter seems reasonable. Eventually, maybe a wind turbine or photovoltaics if local wind or insolation justify the investment. Wouldn't hurt to look into T8 or T5 fluorescents though for your grow-lighting, especially if they are being used for hours a day. Efficiency advances in the past few years have been pretty impressive. I think the T5s require advanced ballasts, but the T8s can be a straight tube swap depending on the fixtures. Do you use the stevia for anything other than a sweetener? Grew a bit here this summer as a curiosity. Definitely froze it up last week in the unheated seasonal greenhouse though. Darryl Kim wrote: much snipped before and after Last months electric bill was down to $48.4 using 477 kwh. Considering that I have to use grow lights to keep my stevia and other tropicals healthy during the short day, I think this is doing rather well. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
I understand that Texas is not optional. If it were, we wouldn't have had a president from there the past four years, or the next four, as it probably would have been ceded back to Mexico decades ago. Probably a felony charge if anyone were to propose giving it back now, what with the way Bozo is having all laws rewritten at record pace. AC wasn't listed. It's a waste of fuel (as is a lead foot) and maintenance monies. As well, unless the refrigerant is a HC replacement, the coolant remains a contributor to ozone depletion and/or is a potent greenhouse gas contributor. (Note: First thing I did in '86 when I bought a new Golf in central Florida was have it driven back to the shop, the compressor disconnected, the refrigerant vacuumed out and ordered a new belt so that I could remove the compressor and reduce engine drag. Nothing crazy about it. It's called energy and ozone conscious. Mind you Florida is not exactly located in a sub-arctic climate.) Sustainable you want? AC is not. Wear shorts, loose blouses and keep the console's fan motor in good repair. You may call that a matter of personal opinion if you wish. I and tens of millions of others find it to be supportable as a matter of fact. I don't believe that there has ever been a documented case of b--t cheeks fusing together as a result of a little sweat. As for balance? That's often found in doing nothing. It's the mere act of humans fulfilling their wants (sometimes needs) that creates the need for balance, or counter-balance as the case may be. Isn't sugar cane a bit more durable and regional in Texas than stevia? Nothing wrong with sugar, if used in moderation, unlike the manner most westerners consume it. Stockpile stevia in the fall and maybe keep a pot or two alive over winter for next season's propigation. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Unfortunately, that's completely untrue. Often an action puts into motion an irreversible momentum that can never be recovered from. Tell the polar bear or the Inuit that the action of burning fossil fuels at break-neck speed is equal to their starvation/extinction. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Pretty intensive list, Todd. I don't see the air conditioning listed. I do live in Texas and that is not optional. As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows naturally. Isn't it always a question of balance? Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:26 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Kim, Any authorized VW repair island can fix an '86 Dub just as well as a mechanic specializing in diesel Dubs 1,000 miles distant from your home. While the rules of rebuild warranty are a bit different from factory warranties, that doesn't mean that repairs (if needed) can't be accomplished at some distance from the mechanic that did the original rebuild. As for a $7,000 price tag on a restore/rebuild? We actually calculate the cost around $6,000, including paint, rust-proofing, wind-screen reinstallations and new weather stripping. That also includes a rebuilt motor (non-turbo, mechanical lifters) and transmission, new clutch, new front and rear struts, brakes, wheel bearings, flushed coolant and heater cores and electrical harness if needed. I think you could get a pair of bucket seats and rear seats reupholstered with the paltry $1,000 left over. Maybe they'd throw in a pair of fuzzy dice for free? As to your need for grow lights? Uh.is that sustainable? If they're mandatory, you might care to look at some of the T-5 lamps/fixtures that are available now in full spectrum. They're starting to make their way out of the new-construction/retrofit markets and into the greenhouse circuit. Darned things will half-blind a mammal but plants are suppposed to luv 'em. They're considerably less energy hogs than the greenhouse industry norms up to this point. Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)
Yes we are still working towards off grid. I am very pleased with the numbers especially since I was using my table saw and other heavy tools for a bit that month. Wind energy is of major interest to us. Stevia dies at about 40F and even if kept warm, will die if it does not get enough light. We do use for sweetener for all beverages here and we make our own soft drinks with it and natural ingrediants. It has a wonderful side effect of slightly lowering blood pressure, which is nice. I also use the raw leaves to kill sugar cravings, which all of us get once in a blue moon, at least. I am trying to keep my plants very healthy this year so I can take cuttings in the spring. I have an extensive waiting list of people that want plants. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:21 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Kim, I think you're doing well. Still working toward severing the grid connection to save the trees? Sounds like you're making progress. Averaging about 16 kWhs/day. You are now in the range where you have some viable off-grid options. Generator set for starters, run a couple of times a day with a battery bank and inverter seems reasonable. Eventually, maybe a wind turbine or photovoltaics if local wind or insolation justify the investment. Wouldn't hurt to look into T8 or T5 fluorescents though for your grow-lighting, especially if they are being used for hours a day. Efficiency advances in the past few years have been pretty impressive. I think the T5s require advanced ballasts, but the T8s can be a straight tube swap depending on the fixtures. Do you use the stevia for anything other than a sweetener? Grew a bit here this summer as a curiosity. Definitely froze it up last week in the unheated seasonal greenhouse though. Darryl Kim wrote: much snipped before and after Last months electric bill was down to $48.4 using 477 kwh. Considering that I have to use grow lights to keep my stevia and other tropicals healthy during the short day, I think this is doing rather well. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)
Hi Daryl and Kim ; Wouldn't hurt to look into T8 or T5 fluorescents though for your grow-lighting, especially if they are being used for hours a day. Efficiency advances in the past few years have been pretty impressive. I think the T5s require advanced ballasts, but the T8s can be a straight tube swap depending on the fixtures. Please be careful about the ballast when applying flourescent lighting in energy saving situations. The old style transformer ballast in general wastes as much energy as is delivered to the lamp. In other words, for a 20 watt flourescent, the ballast wastes 20 watts for a total consumption of 40 watts. The new switching ballasts waste less than 1 watt for 20 watt flourescent. You can tell the difference by the weight : the transformer ballast weighs about a pound, and the switching ballast weighs just a few ounces. Any time anyone is buying new fixtures, I always recommend going with the new electronic switching ballasts. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)
Actually I changed out all my fixtures last year and really noticed a savings. I am only running 2 ballasts this year, not 4, but every little bit helps. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:53 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Daryl and Kim ; Wouldn't hurt to look into T8 or T5 fluorescents though for your grow-lighting, especially if they are being used for hours a day. Efficiency advances in the past few years have been pretty impressive. I think the T5s require advanced ballasts, but the T8s can be a straight tube swap depending on the fixtures. Please be careful about the ballast when applying flourescent lighting in energy saving situations. The old style transformer ballast in general wastes as much energy as is delivered to the lamp. In other words, for a 20 watt flourescent, the ballast wastes 20 watts for a total consumption of 40 watts. The new switching ballasts waste less than 1 watt for 20 watt flourescent. You can tell the difference by the weight : the transformer ballast weighs about a pound, and the switching ballast weighs just a few ounces. Any time anyone is buying new fixtures, I always recommend going with the new electronic switching ballasts. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
While a little bit of sweat won't melt me, the heat we get will cause heart attacks and other problems. Being too warm when driving can also cause one to be less attentive to the road, a definite danger for everyone that has to share the road with you. My home is not built to withstand temperature of 116 or 117, which we don't get every year. When we do, I retreat to the car if I need to. Heat prostration kills people here every year. My home is always too warm for an emergency cool down, as I keep it at 80 in the summer. If I work too hard, physically and recognize that I have over heated, I head for my car as a quick cool down. The little bit of energy I use to have my AC in my car does not compare to what I would use if I cooled the house to that degree. As to wearing shorts and short sleeves, are you kidding? One round of melanoma was more than enough. The sun never sees my skin. Not even through tinted glass. Back in the days of my youth when we drove big boats for cars, we discovered that open windows really cut your mileage. Open windows mess up the aerodynamics of the car, and while I don't have figures, I do know that I can't tell if I have been running the AC or not, from my mileage in my Honda. I am aware of the harmful gases used in AC. I am not an expert on coolants, but the new systems are suppose to be an improvement over the old. Once I figure out how to use zeolite to cool my home, I will make one for my car. One step at a time, in the right direction, as an example of living a relatively comfortable life that is going to eventually be completely sustainable is better than killing myself by being in too much of a rush. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:35 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Kim, I understand that Texas is not optional. If it were, we wouldn't have had a president from there the past four years, or the next four, as it probably would have been ceded back to Mexico decades ago. Probably a felony charge if anyone were to propose giving it back now, what with the way Bozo is having all laws rewritten at record pace. AC wasn't listed. It's a waste of fuel (as is a lead foot) and maintenance monies. As well, unless the refrigerant is a HC replacement, the coolant remains a contributor to ozone depletion and/or is a potent greenhouse gas contributor. (Note: First thing I did in '86 when I bought a new Golf in central Florida was have it driven back to the shop, the compressor disconnected, the refrigerant vacuumed out and ordered a new belt so that I could remove the compressor and reduce engine drag. Nothing crazy about it. It's called energy and ozone conscious. Mind you Florida is not exactly located in a sub-arctic climate.) Sustainable you want? AC is not. Wear shorts, loose blouses and keep the console's fan motor in good repair. You may call that a matter of personal opinion if you wish. I and tens of millions of others find it to be supportable as a matter of fact. I don't believe that there has ever been a documented case of b--t cheeks fusing together as a result of a little sweat. As for balance? That's often found in doing nothing. It's the mere act of humans fulfilling their wants (sometimes needs) that creates the need for balance, or counter-balance as the case may be. Isn't sugar cane a bit more durable and regional in Texas than stevia? Nothing wrong with sugar, if used in moderation, unlike the manner most westerners consume it. Stockpile stevia in the fall and maybe keep a pot or two alive over winter for next season's propigation. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Unfortunately, that's completely untrue. Often an action puts into motion an irreversible momentum that can never be recovered from. Tell the polar bear or the Inuit that the action of burning fossil fuels at break-neck speed is equal to their starvation/extinction. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Pretty intensive list, Todd. I don't see the air conditioning listed. I do live in Texas and that is not optional. As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows naturally. Isn't it always a question of balance? Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:26 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Kim, Any authorized VW repair island can fix an '86 Dub just as well as a mechanic specializing in diesel Dubs 1,000 miles distant from your home. While the rules of rebuild warranty are a bit different from factory warranties, that doesn't mean that repairs (if needed) can't be accomplished at some distance from the mechanic that did the original rebuild. As for a $7,000 price tag on a restore/rebuild? We
