Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
Try to find a Lubrizol dealer or contact biofuelsystems in Britain. JLB - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
Hello All, Yes, real globalisation. The mainstream (ie Northern) press, just as they're so inclined to assume that if trade is free it must be good (NOT!), so often labels people like us and the hugely diverse groups that oppose the WTC and so on as anti-globalisation. Yet I think all of these people are quite clear that they accept globalisation but not *corporate* globalisation, a different and predatory animal. Being anti-globalisation would be a foolish denial, it's simply a fact: the world is round, not flat, and society is global, One World. That has much more to do with Marshall McLuhan's Global Village than with the neo-liberal pseudo-economic cant and the pseudo-globalisation promoted by the WTC etc. Yes! Corporate globalisation is NOT inevitable, but the realization of our One World in common is. I prefer the term 'globalism' to describe the more positive attributes of our increasing interconnectedness. We need to depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations. For example,some thread for debate are: The best way to make methane from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of two process composting with bioconversion of methane . But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one is not practical on as Keith used point out the lab to internationall articall only.What is the best way? We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are really sleeping. I am always learning more from reading peoples' posts. More posts regarding NEW practical, do-it-yourself methods would be brilliant! Any suggestions? When I find something of interest, I post it, but I don't spend as much time searching other sources as I might. (I'm thinking of Keith here with the multitude of posts from the international presses, etc. They are well appreciated.) There is a division here, on this list perhaps as in the world. It's hard to tell just who is in the majority of the list membership, industrialised-country OECD members or people from the Global South. Probably they're about the same. But the messages posted are disproportionate - OECD members' posts heavily outnumber Southerners' posts. The issues and interests represented are disproportionately those of the industrialised countries - where there is widespread ignorance of the issues you're discussing here. Yet by contrast Southerners are not ignorant of the Northern issues. It is obvious that you are correct, and it is a shame. While this list was (and is) a great place for me to ask basic beginner and homebrewer questions, I hope to dialogue about the larger implications of biofuels, and how it interfaces with the complexities of our living. I am a resident of the USA. Biofuels have become more popular here lately, however, this popularity seems to be playing on sensationalism. It smells like grease... and the looming Will it replace fossil fuels? (said with wide eyes and licking lips.) While questions like these may or may not be detrimental to educating about how biofuel is contributing to a bottom-up systemic change, I think that much of the recent popularity biofuels have gotten in the US, certainly in the popular mass media (read 'corporate media'), misses the point. In short, the issues that Pan has brought up are quintessential. I hope this thread, a critically important dialogue, continues for a long time. I'm all for a strong push to alter the focus here to include much more discussion of real global/local issues, the issues affecting the Global South, and for a much more prominent voice on the list of the Southern members. Come on, speak up - it's for you that we started this list, not for the rich countries, though everybody's welcome. Thank you Keith for reassuring all that we are welcome. I have certainly been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only to reread the further and find that the statement was of different intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny. This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years, and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process. I'm going to ponder the point raised in the above quotation, because there is not an easy answer: How to alter the focus here to include much more discussion of real global-local issues, with more input from the Global South members here. As we continue to focus on fostering a true DIA-logue, hopefully the disproportionate amount of posts from OECD residents will be increasingly balanced by those from non-OECD residents. It may be too early to say, but it seems as though this thread hasn't had an alarming amount of replies. I seem to remember that the few times I've raised more global issues they were not hot-topics and received little attention from the list. One example is this post: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43252/ . I don't want to suggest that my posts are in any way more
RE: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. You mean like here in the UK where a party that only got 35% of the votes cast gets given 65% of the seats in the parliament. That's British democracy in action. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research
Hello, That's quite a lot of money. It certainly could help many grassroots initiatives take off, but I don't think that is the intent. It is not so surprising to read that This year's focus is on development and demonstration projects that lead to greater commercialization. (From http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/Grant.ht ml) I wonder if this is a corporate giveaway. Will those projects that get funded be a means towards a public good, or will that be secondary, with greater commercialization as the ends in itself? Anyone here applying, or thinking about it? If so, what is the project? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research DieselNet UPDATE January 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the US Department of Energy (DOE) announced the availability of funds to support research, development, and demonstration of biomass based products, bioenergy, biofuels, biopower, and related processes. USDA and DOE will provide as much as $15 million for the projects under their joint Biomass Research and Development Initiative. Pre-applications are due by February 15th, full applications are due by April 15th. http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/listing. html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2004
Reading that the World Bank's name is attached to this, I can't say that I agree with the approach of this document. From the ELDIS AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT REPORTER, 14 December 2004, http://www.eldis.org/agriculture/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- THE STATE OF FOOD INSECURITY IN THE WORLD 2004 Author(s): FAO Produced by: Economic and Social Department (ES), FAO (2004) Hunger and malnutrition cause tremendous human suffering, kill more than five million children every year, and cost developing countries billions of dollars in lost productivity and national income, according to the 2004 FAO annual hunger report. SOFI 2004 argues that the resources needed to effectively prevent this human and economic tragedy are minuscule when compared to the benefits and that without the direct costs (around $30 billion per year) of dealing with the damage caused by hunger, more funds would be available to combat other social problems. However the FAO is optimistic that the Millennium Development Goals (MDG) of cutting by half the number of hungry people in the world by 2015 can still be attained. Pointing out that more than 30 countries, representing nearly half the population of the developing world, have proved that rapid progress is possible and can offer lessons in how that progress can be achieved. These countries have reduced the percentage of hungry people by at least 25 percent during the 1990s. The report recommends a twin-track strategy that attacks both the causes and the consequences of extreme poverty and hunger. Track one includes interventions to improve food availability and incomes for the poor by enhancing their productive activities. Track two features targeted programmes that give the most needy families direct and immediate access to food. Other recommendations include: * countries should adopt large-scale programmes to promote primarily agriculture and rural development * priority should also be given to actions that will have an immediate impact on the food security of millions of vulnerable people. SOFI 2004 also contains a special feature on globalisation, urbanisation and changing food systems in developing countries which focuses on the spread of large retail chains, such as supermarkets and hypermarkets, in developing countries and examines the impact they are having on small farmers. This new commercial phenomenon poses serious challenges for policy-makers in developing countries who are trying to develop rural areas and improve the livelihoods of small-scale farmers. FAO recommends developing policies and programmes that will help small farmers seize opportunities offered by the new dynamic markets. The report also addresses urbanisation, the increase of hunger in urban areas, and dietary changes associated with rapid urbanisation, including an increase in non- communicable diet-related diseases. Available online at: http://www.eldis.org/cf/rdr/rdr.cfm?doc=DOC16953 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Studies Say Organic Ag Could Reduce Poverty in Developing Countries
From the Weekly Harvest Newsletter, Sustainable Agriculture News Briefs - January 27, 2005, put out by ATTRA - National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Studies Say Organic Ag Could Reduce Poverty in Developing Countries Organic food production could promise a way out of poverty for many small farmers in developing countries, according to a thematic evaluation by the International Fund for Agriculture Development (IFAD). Farmers who switched to organic agriculture achieved higher earnings and a better standard of living, the study, conducted in China and India last year, showed. Similar findings were produced by an earlier study in six Latin American countries, conducted in 2001. The studies, supported by the Italian Government, looked at the role of organic agriculture in rural poverty reduction and when, and under what conditions, organics could be integrated into development programs. URL: http://www.ifad.org/media/press/2005/3.htm http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=ahp4k8aab.0.p8q8k8aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.ifad.org%2Fmedia%2Fpress%2F2005%2F3.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] A library on biodiesel
The government has been working for years to do worthwhile research and publications on biodiesel developments. In the past two years, the National Renewable Energy laboratory has published a series of valuable monographs on this topic. I recommend everyone interested in biodiesel developments download these free publications. All of these, and many more, can be obtained free from http://www.osti.gov/bridge I found these to be the most useful. Anyone like some others? Titles: Biodiesel Production Technology, 2004 106 pp Biodiesel Analytical Methods, 2004, 95 pp Business Management for Biodiesel Producers, 2004, 206 pp Biodiesel Handling and Use Guidelines, 2004 60pp Biodiesel Blends in Space Heating Equipment, 2004 26 pp NOx Solutions for Biodiesel, 2003 40 pp Impact of Biodiesel Fuels on Air Quality, 2003 45 pp Tom Leue ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
Arie, He did not have any more FFA than standard oils after he esterfied the FFA into methyl esters. Strong cation ion exchange resins work well for esterifcation of FFA into methyl esters and you don't need to get rid of the excess acid. Each molecule of FFA released one molecule of water in the reaction though. If he didn't remove that water before proceeding with the NaOH/Methanol reaction... that would lead to significant soap formation. Andy On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:13:56 +0700, Arie Rahmadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Iwan, In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the CPO. You may either do the following two alternatives: 1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO, but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it needs high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil. 2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO using base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further purification of your glycerol. We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in PUSPITEK Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Good Luck, Arie Rahmadi Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] intern looking for an internship
HI everybody, So I was wondering if anybody can help pass along info on groups or individuals who would be willing to take on an intern interested in learning the good and greasies of biodiesel. I am a natural science major and would really like to study the chemistry of biodiesel, as well as production, an outreach. Doesn't that sound like an awesome internship. I would bring lots of energy and encouragement to the right group. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Angie __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] water wash emulsification
hi, how much lye did you use? perhaps you didnt get a complete reaction.. Marc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
I happen to have access to fat/oil from a tannery fat trap, which of course contains certain amount of chrome salts... Would it be reasonable to think that during acid esterification the chrome would become water soluble and then can be eliminated futherly when the biodiesel obtained via basic esterification is water washed?. So, assumming that produced biodiesel would contains minute amount of chrome, can it be used legally as fuel?. Are there any limits for chrome content in biodiesel?. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Hello Iwan Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) There was quite a lot of discussion of processing CPO with high FFA content a while ago at the Biofuels-biz list (since closed, its functions taken over by the Biofuel list). The list archives is still available - do a search here for Allen: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Information Archive at NNYTech Check messages titled High FFA oils and hi ffa feed stocks. first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? It would help if you'd explain exactly what you did and what results you got when you mixed it with water - how did you mix it? What washing process did you use? Best wishes Keith Regards, Iwan Prawito ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] FS Escort Diesel in SC
A gentleman has two 1984 diesel Ford Escorts for sale in South Carolina. He is asking $700 each in an ad in the Carolina Trader out of Columbia. Does anyone know anything about this engine? This list is a highlight of my day. Thanks Chris K. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] how to clean equpiment
one more question? what do yoiu clean your equpiment with? pippets,methoxide mixing tank etc, reaction tank , etc... is it ok just to leave tthe methoxide residues on the methoxide mixing container? i know we have to clean the reaction vessel thouroughly but..i doubt my tools are clean... what do you clean sulfuric acid pipets with? any linkes related to that kind of info is very appreciated. thanks a lot! anibal ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ford to test EPA's Clean Diesel Combustion technology
DieselNet UPDATE January 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Ford to test EPA's Clean Diesel Combustion technology Don't the 2.5 liter turbo diesels Ford is putting in those really cool, Thai built, 4 door Rangers you have in Japan and other places overseas already meet the more rigorous Euro Stage IV emissions standards? (I think it's a Mazda engine.) Once again, his sounds like a company nursing at the soft breast of the Federal Government. If only we could have those in North America . . . My Ranger is a great little truck, but four doors and a diesel would be nice! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion It isn't, at least, not entirely. We Americans are steeped in a culture that glorifies the nation, very much like the Romans glorified their own nation. I have a problem when the term Christian Fundamentalist is used to describe the racist, book - burning and intolerant zealots who behave in a manner utterly contrary to the clear teachings of social justice found in the scriptures; however, the label applies to a large group of people who suffer from nationalistic, linguistic (Why can't the rest of the world learn to speak English!) ethnic and religious pride. I love my country, too. Keith might raise his eyebrows at this, but the sight of an American flag, or the singing of our national anthem stirs something deep and noble within my soul. What it rouses in me is a sense of what America SHOULD be, and a solemn regret of what it actually is. We're on a path that will lead to our destruction. I've been warning about this for a long time now. The Arab fundamentalists would have very little fuel to spread their fires of intolerance were it not for decades of American duplicity and meddling in the affairs of other nations; often for access to resources that enrichen our corporations and corrupted political entities overseas, leaving their local populations destitute and oppressed at the hands of leadership our government supports. Our foreign policy with respect to Israel and its neighbors, is informed by a convoluted, bizarre, dispensationalist eschatology that twists scripture and deceives people into believing we're doing God's will by spreading misery around the world. I can tell by the tenor of posts on this list alone that much of the world doesn't really understand this. They don't despise us as human beings. They despise what we do. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood
Turning New York's Wood into the Energy of the Future Jan 13, 2005 http://www.esf.edu/newspubs/news/2005/01.13.biorefinery.htm State University of New York college of Environmental Science and Forestry SUNY-ESF's Biorefinery Process We know our sources of fossil fuel aren't going to last forever, Dr. Thomas Amidon said. The new Biorefinery process will allow us to substitute a sustainable energy source: wood. During the last few years, Amidon collaborated with students ranging from a home-schooled high school student to ESF doctoral candidates to devise a new and subtler method for separating wood into its components. Chief among those components is cellulose, the polysaccharide (sugar) that is the single strongest, most widely used component of woody plants. In the context of a paper mill, cellulose becomes pulp for use in making paper. The second largest component of hardwood trees is the polysaccharide xylan, which is primarily dissolved in the pulping process. The real value in that sugar, Amidon said, was never exploited. Once fermented, the sugar xylan can produce ethanol, which can be used in cars instead of, or in combination with, traditional gasoline. Although the energy factor is the focus of attention now, as the state steps up its development of alternative fuel sources, there is a second benefit to the process. In addition to extracting sugar from the wood, scientists can separate out the wood's acetic acid, which is used primarily in manufacturing. A major use of acetic acid is the manufacturing of polyvinyl acetate, a plastic used in many aspects of home construction, and many other consumer products. The commercial value of acetic acid is nearly three times that of ethanol: 45 cents per pound as opposed to 18 cents per pound. The process was developed in ESF's Walters Hall, home to the Faculty of Paper Science and Engineering. Ordinary wood chips are mixed with water and heated at high temperatures for a specified length of time. That time can be shortened if the chips are first subjected to biopulping, a process that allows natural wood-decaying fungi to munch through the lignin that binds the cellulose in the wood. That process is also the subject of research at ESF. One of the advantages to the process, Amidon said, is that is does not use any harsh chemicals. Water is the solvent we use, Amidon said. It's my preferred solvent because if it gets loose in the world, it's just water and the world knows how to deal with it. The watery solution that remains after the chips are removed is then forced through a membrane that separates the sugars from the water. The acetic acid is removed the same way. The trees are here and they can provide year-round employment, Amidon said. You can also extract these components from grasses, but grasses go dormant in the winter and they're difficult and expensive to store for use in a year-round process. And trees are dense. They can be shipped and stored economically, and they are more efficient energy collectors than annual crops. After the desired components are extracted, the residue can be burned or gasified for combined heat and power uses. The work, while still in the testing phase, has received support from International Paper, the world's largest paper company, and from Lyonsdale Biomass, a wood-fueled energy producer in Lyons Falls. Representatives of both companies stated in letters of support that they believe the process has significant promise of increasing the profitability of their operations. International Paper has indicated it is a willing partner in exploring technology transfer in the biorefinery work. Lyonsdale has expressed interest in what the company calls the potential positive impact of the process on the company's ability to convert woody materials to energy . In addition, the ESF team has demonstrated the process for scientists from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Colorado. The process is a natural fit for New York state, Amidon said, because the sugars in hardwood trees are simpler than those found in softwood trees. New York is a hardwood state, he said. There is a little bit of softwood and a lot of hardwood. And the process is not choosy about which hardwood trees it uses. Maples, common in the state's forests, work just fine, he said. But so do the willow biomass crops that are being developed by ESF researchers and their colleagues as a commercial crop for energy uses, such as at the Lyonsdale facility. If you consider the concept of removing sugars and acetic acid from willow biomass and then burning or gasifying what's left over from that process, the economics of growing willow as an energy crop are significantly improved, Amidon said. ð Associated Press / Newsday story here ð News10 Now video clip ð WSTM story ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Ukiah is a nice little town among many in Northern California. It should be a friendly place for biodiesel from what I remember. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
Attorneys for corporations routinely use the courts in an attempt to get another to pay their obligations, in doing so they can be as fraudulent as those in the persons in the examples you cited. The chances are very slim that tort reform that could curtail you and I will not apply to the frivolous lawsuits corporations file. As flawed as it is the courts are only resource against corporations that in the USA enjoy privileges of a person and are insulated from any consequences when they break the law or act in an unresponsible manner. As a personal aside I will always wonder if I was a moron for not pressing a lawsuit against the doctors under who's care I was under became permanently disabled. I really don't have an answer, but I don't believe tort reform is it. Doug - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act? For another side of how our litigious society is negatively impacting our ability to offer goods and services I feel compelled comment on a few recent events that affect me directly. Our small rural office hired a part-time employee who fell down a stair case the year before in her school and injured her wrist. Then she stressed her wrist several times and complained at work by painting her entire room and ceiling in one day, working on her car (changing the oil, etc.) Then one day she picked up a partially-filled bottle of water (less than 12 pounds) and sued us for worker's compensation. Even though every employee on the staff wrote letters verifying the false complaint, the insurance company paid the bill. They said it was less money than would be spent if she hired one of the greedy advertising attorneys that are on every phonebook cover and regularly run television ads. After one year (this week) we received notice that she is now doing fine and completely restored to health. The cost was only $30,000 for the compensation and medical expenses. This weekend I had to attend an update and review of jurisprudence as a part of an attempt to slow down the petty actions of greedy people who look for any reason to shift responsibility to another person. At this time our state is now the number one state in the US for litigious action--lawsuits against most anything--people, services, etc. Whoever believes that huge settlements are necessary so as not to deprive ordinary folk of reasonable settlements need a very good explanation of severe harm is making it tough on everyone. The price of goods and services reflects all the payouts that have supported ordinary folks grand settlements. And I am not referring to death or maimed bodies. I'm talking about inconveniences. One person actually told me that the going settlement for blaming a dental practitioner for not saving a tooth was about $100,000 and this was fifteen years ago. Thankfully, our records documented poor bone, smoking, cancellation of appointments, failing recall maintenance and more. But technically, she wanted to be compensated for her personal neglect and the sad thing is that she thought she was entitled to compensation because she paid for services on the tooth. I also think I may have earlier mentioned that we were sued for 1.3 million dollars (we are simple middle-class people) when our son's car tagged the fender of another car--the only damage being a scrape on the fender. Because a passenger inside the car was pregnant, she sued for the amount saying that she became so terrified by fear that she could be hurt that she could no longer have ordinary sex with her husband. Ha! At least this case was thrown out by the judge. However, the legal paperwork took our insurance company's attorney over three inches high of paper in documentation and cost the company thousands of dollars. Well, we need tort reform. The only way to restore our country to reasonably supporting employees and reducing production costs will be to reduce the ability of any dissatisfied person to hire the evil attorneys that suck the system. It is well known that most brag that they never have to go to court because they can screw the money people (insurance companies or business owners) without doing so. At this time part of the American disease includes a cure for tort action. One solution would be that if a fair trial included the ability of the person being sued to be compensated for the same amount of money for which the person suing requested if the court found that the lawsuit was frivolous, it would greatly reduce risk takers from jeopardizing their own liability/ responsibility. Thanks for listening and understanding an individual approach that applies to my everyday life. And being true to one's self includes evaluating ones life in terms of what we actually encounter. Best wishes, Peggy Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act? by Karyn Strickler George W. Bush recently
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
Keith, After I read the details of that case, the case actually illustrates why we should not embrace tort reform. There was no reasonable expectation the coffee would have causes burns to the degree that it did. The industry knew that where serving coffee at temperature that could injure seriously and done nothing, to reduce the risk or warn of the risk. Even now the warning now, is severely lacking because it doesn't accurately define the risk. While the jury award was extreme, it was not the real award because most if not all States have limits in place. But GWB and friends don't want you to know that. I have many tell me my thought on this are crap. ...I have yet to have one to accept my challenge that they attempt to drink coffee at the temperature that coffee was being served at, that time and prove me wrong. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act? : Hello Peggy : : You mean like that infamous case of the woman who sued McDonald's for : a fortune because her coffee was too hot? : : Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
--- JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just read this more thoroughly. I think if you've got a particuarly sticky batch of wvo you might try passing a current through it. This would alter the orp of any mollecules in there and therby the PH of the whole thing. As a catalyst, I think you'll find that this is the very fastest. All you need is PP9 cell and at least one platinum electrode. JD2005 - Original Message - G'day JD: Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc hi biodiesel is methyl or ethylesters (an organic molecule) isn't it that you are carrying out electrolysis for which you need an ionic electrolyte? fox ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
respectful than a lot of the theists out there. I bet that a keyword search on god with a capital G comes up a whole lot more than voodoo. If a person wants to believe in the supernatural that is his or her business. but how does that help us in our discussions? The problem with the suspension of reality is it goes no where. Anything is possible, nothing is possible. In the future I will try to restrain myself , but I reserve the right to take a swipe at the proselytizers once in awhile. :0) Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Bob; Perhaps a moment to learn a little respect for beliefs other than your own might be in order.Or, should others treat you the way you treat them? Luc - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob Born just fine the first time. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Ken and Robert ; They don't despise us as human beings. They despise what we do. Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the actions of the US government, but I think they hate the entirety of the western culture. Sex before marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna, Brittany, gay marriages, Baywatch, the Fashion Channel, pornography, discos, atheism (or any God other than Alah). I received a spam email titled Extreme female ejaculations. Like I should open it. It is an outrage, but no one cares. They view western culture as a modern equivalent of Sodom and Gomorrah. And from where I'm standing, any objective observer must admit they have a valid point. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production
Ug...From a NBB email update today: (It is my understanding, but I may be mistaken, that World Energy, who evidently controls around 75% of the US biodiesel market, is owned by Gulf Oil) Its my opinion that once biofuels start to replace petrol fuels the oil companies will rush to secure a monopoly. News like this indicates to me that they already are ramping up. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
frivolous. I doubt the people of Libby Montana think its frivolous. http://www.scn.org/~bh162/asbestos_libby.html Doug Younker wrote: Attorneys for corporations routinely use the courts in an attempt to get another to pay their obligations, in doing so they can be as fraudulent as those in the persons in the examples you cited. The chances are very slim that tort reform that could curtail you and I will not apply to the frivolous lawsuits corporations file. As flawed as it is the courts are only resource against corporations that in the USA enjoy privileges of a person and are insulated from any consequences when they break the law or act in an unresponsible manner. As a personal aside I will always wonder if I was a moron for not pressing a lawsuit against the doctors under who's care I was under became permanently disabled. I really don't have an answer, but I don't believe tort reform is it. Doug -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
And Howdy to you too Luc, Actually I feel my position is much more respectful than a lot of the theists out there. You aren't outright rude, but respectful is not a word I would use to characterize your posts. If a person wants to believe in the supernatural that is his or her business. but how does that help us in our discussions? The problem with the suspension of reality is it goes no where. But that all depends on the paradigm through which you view reality. If my perspective seems as silly to you as does yours to me, then we can agree to disagree. The discussion is furthered when we arrive at a greater understanding of one another. Summarily dismissing a belief in God as voodoo certainly does not aid in sharpening anyone's mind. Anything is possible, nothing is possible. In the future I will try to restrain myself , but I reserve the right to take a swipe at the proselytizers once in awhile. :0) Who is trying to proselytize you, sir? I've not read a single message in this forum urging you to repent of your sins, or repudiate your atheism. Perhaps that's what you believe we're trying to do; further illustrating my point that reality absolutely depends on the perspective of the individual. If you think this is happening, I beg to differ. The only action I have witnessed from you around here is the exercise of your right' to take a swipe at people you think are proselytizers. With respect to the John Guttridge article, my belief in God inspires a sense of stewardship over his creation. This is what motivates my interest in environmental causes, and it's perfectly acceptable that you don't agree with my understanding. You and I can arrive at the same conclusion from different points of view; a strengthening influence for both of us. If you can't comprehend this, then why participate in the discourse at all? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Ken and Robert ; Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the actions of the US government, but I think they hate the entirety of the western culture. Sex before marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna, Brittany, gay marriages, Baywatch, the Fashion Channel, pornography, discos, atheism (or any God other than Alah). I received a spam email titled Extreme female ejaculations. Like I should open it. It is an outrage, but no one cares. Indeed! The difference between the moderate western perspective on this and that of any fundamentalist (I really hate that word!) is one of what to DO about the perceived immorality. I don't believe that convincing someone to be moral at the barrel of a gun is an effective method of changing behavior. Islamists who advocate violence are on no higher moral ground than the culture they so fervently despise. The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. The same courtesy would not likely be extended to a Christian church in Algeria, Libya, Syria and many other countries. They view western culture as a modern equivalent of Sodom and Gomorrah. And from where I'm standing, any objective observer must admit they have a valid point. That is God's problem, not yours, not mine, and certainly not theirs! We will go as it has been written about us, without the assistance of radical Islamists. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Robert ; You know this is such a fascinating thread for me, and please believe me there is no offence intended for anyone, because I ponder this subject and consider the possiblity that I could be wrong or mis-informed. Indeed! The difference between the moderate western perspective on this and that of any fundamentalist (I really hate that word!) is one of what to DO about the perceived immorality. First, I would say that it is not really fair to compare western moderates to Islamic fundamentalists. I don't believe that convincing someone to be moral at the barrel of a gun is an effective method of changing behavior. This is absolutely, 1000 % true. When Jesus was on the earth HE never said C'mon let's FIGHT those sinners, and He never said C'mon we need to pass laws and lock them up. Why not? The answer is people must do the right thing of their own accord, and anything less is an illusion. Islamists who advocate violence are on no higher moral ground than the culture they so fervently despise. Right! The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. But isn't this a good example of changing behavior at the barrel of a gun? And aren't we doing the same thing in Iraq and the average voter approves? Is depleted uranium a good way to spread democracy? Is this the moderate western perspective? Sorry to say, we are the Great Satan they call us. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hey Chris, I hear you loud and clear. If there weren't such a large body of water between us, we could go to each others protests. :-) Mike Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. You mean like here in the UK where a party that only got 35% of the votes cast gets given 65% of the seats in the parliament. That's British democracy in action. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Ken Provost wrote: I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion It isn't, at least, not entirely. We Americans are steeped in a culture that glorifies the nation, very much like the Romans glorified their own nation. I have a problem when the term Christian Fundamentalist is used to describe the racist, book - burning and intolerant zealots who behave in a manner utterly contrary to the clear teachings of social justice found in the scriptures; I believe all true Christians probably have a problem with that, and not only Christians - it seems that when it comes to religion, when people claim it's fundamentalist, the one thing it doesn't have much to do with is the fundamentals! however, the label applies to a large group of people who suffer from nationalistic, linguistic (Why can't the rest of the world learn to speak English!) ethnic and religious pride. - perhaps arrogance? Pride has it's place, it's not necessarily negative: pride in a good job well done, for instance. It can be little different to self-respect. But wouldn't the pride that comes before a fall be more arrogance than pride? After all, you can say, Have you no pride? or you can say, Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. Not so with arrogance, though: arrogance carries the silent prefix empty - it always protests too loudly, it's nothing more than insecurity, and in so much it's probably well-founded. I love my country, too. Keith might raise his eyebrows at this, but the sight of an American flag, or the singing of our national anthem stirs something deep and noble within my soul. What it rouses in me is a sense of what America SHOULD be, and a solemn regret of what it actually is. Not so Robert, I'll accept that without raising an eyebrow. At least I'll accept what the symbols stir in you, if not the symbols themselves. What's stirred, if worthy, outweighs what does the stirring. But this... noble within my soul. What it rouses in me is a sense of what America SHOULD be, and a solemn regret of what it actually is. ... doesn't that perhaps suggest that what's stirred in you is worth something more deserving and, indeed, more noble than just a country, than any country can be? Wouldn't this noble feeling always find a mere nation wanting? Maybe you should keep the feeling and find more worthy symbols to summon it with, rather than these nationalistic trappings. We're on a path that will lead to our destruction. I've been warning about this for a long time now. The Arab fundamentalists would have very little fuel to spread their fires of intolerance were it not for decades of American duplicity and meddling in the affairs of other nations; often for access to resources that enrichen our corporations and corrupted political entities overseas, leaving their local populations destitute and oppressed at the hands of leadership our government supports. Not just the Arabs have been at the sticky end of this, as you know. Our foreign policy with respect to Israel and its neighbors, is informed by a convoluted, bizarre, dispensationalist eschatology that twists scripture and deceives people into believing we're doing God's will by spreading misery around the world. I can tell by the tenor of posts on this list alone that much of the world doesn't really understand this. Many of them do though. There's some good references in the archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35006/ There are rules in Netiquette about criticising religions, especially on a multi-cultural list like this, and I hope you're aware of that, but I have no compunctions about it in this case because this is not a religion, it's an evil cult that's hell-bent on sowing war and destruction at any cost. I'm glad George Monbiot has penned this piece for the Guardian in the UK, because it's so bizarre that non-Americans have a really hard time believing it, and fail to realise its importance. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html Comment US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power George Monbiot Tuesday April 20, 2004 http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13750 Fundamentally Unsound By Michelle Goldberg, Salon August 2, 2002 Quite a lot more like that. But it's not just the dispensationalist eschatology, it's their weird alliances with the neo-cons, recycled Reaganists and Straussians. It's remarkable that such mismatched alliances can hold together for so long (if they are). They don't despise us as human beings. They despise what we do. I think
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
on 2/2/05 7:33 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the attitide of the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US to the Arab world? Judging from the Crusades (a word you still hear occasionally) Yes! And in rather telling circumstances, sometimes. I'd say it's hostile but I'm still unclear about the difference -- it seems as monotheists become more fundamentalist, they should become more like one another, What if it makes them more nationalistic, more ethno-centric, more jingoistic? Then they'll be more like each other, yes, but they'll hate each other too. and in general, less tolerant of the corruption and materialism of governments. But it's not truly fundamental. God is love - you don't hear them saying that a lot, do you? Love thine enemy. If there's a god there at all, it seems to be more of a frontier god, a jealous and insecure god much given to anger and vengeance, the god of the burning bush. Not a Christian god. Yet American fundamentalists just can't get ENOUGH of corruption and materialism -- they seem to love it!-K Is that how they see it? I'm not sure. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
Bob, I think that Bush is more than dumb, for more than 30 years the asbestos have been forbidden in several European countries. It is around 40 years ago that it was proven links between asbestos and lung cancer. It is hard to find a more clear cut case and it only proves the ignorance and disrespect for life that Bush have. Hakan At 04:00 PM 2/3/2005, you wrote: Bush mentioned lawsuits last nite, singly out asbestos claims as frivolous. I doubt the people of Libby Montana think its frivolous. http://www.scn.org/~bh162/asbestos_libby.html Doug Younker wrote: Attorneys for corporations routinely use the courts in an attempt to get another to pay their obligations, in doing so they can be as fraudulent as those in the persons in the examples you cited. The chances are very slim that tort reform that could curtail you and I will not apply to the frivolous lawsuits corporations file. As flawed as it is the courts are only resource against corporations that in the USA enjoy privileges of a person and are insulated from any consequences when they break the law or act in an unresponsible manner. As a personal aside I will always wonder if I was a moron for not pressing a lawsuit against the doctors under who's care I was under became permanently disabled. I really don't have an answer, but I don't believe tort reform is it. Doug -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
Hi To All, I guess I sort of misread this thread and got excited about the idea that a corporation could face the death penelty, and not just the officers. When you think about it, if a corporation has the rights of a person such as the protections offered by the bill of rights, then why not have the death penalty, (we as persons face), extend to corporations too. The corporation could face dissolution and termination of it's imortal status. Then we would find out if the death penalty is really a deterant.___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of the time - in fact they vote whenever they feel like it, it's a citizens' right to organize a referendum on just about anything. Interest and turnouts are high. Not so easy to recognise today's US in that mirror image, is it? Who's the president of Switzerland? The name doesn't spring immediately to mind, does it? Or maybe, does Switzerland have a president or a prime minister, or a chancellor, or what? Don't know? Neither do I. Sounds good to me. It would seem the leaders, if that's quite the word (I think it isn't quite the word), don't have much choice but to abide by the consitution, and anyway nobody seems to take very much notice of them. At the time James had got a lot of Americans all upset with his talk of teledemocracy, which they saw as Direct Democracy, in other words mob rule. I said this to one of them: Anyway, you see teledemocracy = Direct Democracy = Mob Rule, the preferred alternative being the Rule of Law, and, what, the status quo? Somehow I don't think you're that happy with either of those. The bit above ending with the Patriot Act [Now the Homeland Security Bill basically suspends our Constitution under Color of Law, on top of the Patriot Act] is either the Rule of Law at work or shows that it's a weakling, easily purloined. It also looks more than somewhat like what you have now is Mob Rule. Law and justice are not the same. That allegedly virginal and unraped lady in the white dress has a set of scales and a sword, usually a two-edged one that seems to cut a lot more with one edge than the other, and no wonder, since she's blindfold. Blind justice? I think what they meant, or should have meant, was impartial justice. Now how much of that do you find in the Rule of Law? And how does all this have a bearing on what's going on and not going on in your local forest? If not, why not? It's deadlocked. How to break the deadlock? What's befallen your own project looks to me like a good example of Mob Rule and the Rule of Law being available to the highest bidder. You might succeed in tipping those scales your way (not that the blind lady will even notice), but it shouldn't be happening in the first place. So much for business-as-usual when it comes to democracy. What democracy? What's better, to go on and on flogging a dead horse, or try something new? If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. But who exactly defines it in these countries? Is the defining of it itself ever a truly democratic process? What was I saying about Churchill? ... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - while knowing very well that there's absolutely no need to fool all of them all of the time just as long as you can fool enough of them enough of the time. Which all our governments succeed in doing. The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of
Re: [Biofuel] The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2004
Reading that the World Bank's name is attached to this, I can't say that I agree with the approach of this document. I think you can't paint it with such a broad brush. An odious organisation indeed, along with the IMF and the WTO et al, but not all the World Bank does is bad, and not everyone who works for them is an ogre. I've known cases where good people have seen an opportunity open and have turned World Bank projects to good account. You have to judge it case by case. Another example: we also tend to have the idea that there can't be anything good about promoting the production of tobacco, yet even that can be not quite so clearcut. Good local development efforts have piggy-backed tobacco projects into areas where they would not otherwise have been possible. Was it worth it? No easy answer there, but nor can you so easily say that that particular tobacco project was bad. You'd need to get some mud on your boots at ground level to find real answers, and there'd probably be different answers in the next valley. So reports like the one below should not be dismissed out of hand, nor embraced wholeheartedly and uncritically either. Same problem with all information, eh? Here we are in the Information Age and nobody gets taught how to handle information, what a surprise! (Not!). LOL! Regards Keith From the ELDIS AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT REPORTER, 14 December 2004, http://www.eldis.org/agriculture/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- THE STATE OF FOOD INSECURITY IN THE WORLD 2004 Author(s): FAO Produced by: Economic and Social Department (ES), FAO (2004) Hunger and malnutrition cause tremendous human suffering, kill more than five million children every year, and cost developing countries billions of dollars in lost productivity and national income, according to the 2004 FAO annual hunger report. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
I guess you win the prize! Only there isn't a prize, sorry about that. :-( Keith, After I read the details of that case, the case actually illustrates why we should not embrace tort reform. There was no reasonable expectation the coffee would have causes burns to the degree that it did. The industry knew that where serving coffee at temperature that could injure seriously and done nothing, to reduce the risk or warn of the risk. Even now the warning now, is severely lacking because it doesn't accurately define the risk. While the jury award was extreme, it was not the real award because most if not all States have limits in place. But GWB and friends don't want you to know that. I have many tell me my thought on this are crap. ...I have yet to have one to accept my challenge that they attempt to drink coffee at the temperature that coffee was being served at, that time and prove me wrong. Doug I'm really glad you know that Doug. I was wondering if Peggy did. I doubt it, or she'd have blind-eyed it or something, in her usual inimitable style. I couldn't understand what she was on about - was she saying Bhopal's claims against Dow are frivolous? :-/ Time to put the real McDonald's hot coffee story in the archives, do you think? I think so (below). Regards Keith http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/tort/myths/articles.cfm?ID=785 Public Citizen | Congress Watch | Congress Watch - Legal Myths: The McDonald's Hot Coffee Case Legal Myths: The McDonald's Hot Coffee Case In 1994 Stella Liebeck, a 79-year old retired sales clerk, bought a 49-cent cup of coffee from a drive- through McDonald's in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was in the passenger seat of a car driven by her grandson. Ms. Liebeck placed the cup between her legs and removed the lid to add cream and sugar when the hot coffee spilled out on her lap causing third-degree burns on her groin, inner thighs and buttocks. This infamous case has become a leading rallying point for those advocating restrictions on the ability of consumers to use the U.S. civil justice system to hold corporations accountable for the injuries they cause. A New Mexico jury awarded Ms. Liebeck $160,000 in compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive damages and in an instant, the media and legal community were up in arms. Newspaper headlines such as Hot cup of coffee costs $2.9 million, or Coffee Spill Burns Woman; Jury Awards $2.9 Million painted the picture of a runaway jury, an unreasonable award and a perverted system of justice. However, both the media and those who want to take away consumers' legal rights conveniently overlooked the facts of the case, creating a legal myth or a poster-case for corporate entities with a vested interest in limiting the legal rights of consumers. The Facts A detailed look at the facts of this case reveal that in light of McDonalds' actions, the awards were justified: By its own corporate standards, McDonald's sells coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. A scientist testifying for McDonald's argued that any coffee hotter than 130 degrees could produce third degree burns. Likewise, a scientist testifying on behalf of Ms. Liebeck noted that it takes less than three seconds to produce a third degree burn at 190 degrees. During trial, McDonald's admitted that it had known about the risk of serious burns from its coffee for more than 10 years. From 1982 to 1992, McDonald's received at least 700 reports of burns from scalding coffee; some of the injured were children and infants. Many customers received severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs and buttocks. In addition, many of these claims were settled for up to $500,000. Witnesses for McDonald's testified that consumers were not aware of the extent of danger from coffee spills served at the company's required temperature. McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers and could offer no explanation as to why it did not. As a result of her injuries, Ms. Liebeck spent eight days in a hospital. In that time she underwent expensive treatments for third-degree burns including debridement (removal of dead tissue) and skin grafting. The burns left her scarred and disabled for more than two years. Before a suit was ever filed, Liebeck informed McDonald's about her injuries and asked for compensation for her medical bills, which totaled almost $11,000. McDonald's countered with a ludicrously low $800 offer. McDonald's had several other chances to settle the case before trial: At one point, Liebeck's attorney offered to settle for $300,000. In addition, days before the trial, the judge ordered both sides into a mediated settlement conference where the mediator, a retired judge, recommended that McDonald's settle for $225,000. McDonald's refused all attempts to settle the case. The Findings The jury found that Ms. Liebeck suffered $200,000 in compensatory damages for her medical costs and
re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production
(It is my understanding, but I may be mistaken, that World Energy, who evidently controls around 75% of the US biodiesel market, is owned by Gulf Oil) Its my opinion that once biofuels start to replace petrol fuels the oil companies will rush to secure a monopoly. News like this indicates to me that they already are ramping up. People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL! Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
perspective? Or at least an animist or two? For one thing: The term Voodoo (Vodun in Benin; also Vodou or other phonetically equivalent spellings in Haiti; Vudu in the Dominican Republic) is applied to the branches of a West African ancestor-based religious tradition with primary roots among the Fon-Ewe peoples of West Africa, in the country now known as Benin, formerly the Kingdom of Dahomey, where Vodun is today the national religion of more than 7 million people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodun So if you're going to show some respect, please be even-handed about it. On the other hand, Bob, I have to agree with your sig: Born just fine the first time. You used to have a Zappa quote in that sig, didn't you? Been listening to You are what you is recently? :-) Regards Keith bob allen wrote: And Howdy to you too Luc, Actually I feel my position is much more respectful than a lot of the theists out there. You aren't outright rude, but respectful is not a word I would use to characterize your posts. If a person wants to believe in the supernatural that is his or her business. but how does that help us in our discussions? The problem with the suspension of reality is it goes no where. But that all depends on the paradigm through which you view reality. If my perspective seems as silly to you as does yours to me, then we can agree to disagree. The discussion is furthered when we arrive at a greater understanding of one another. Summarily dismissing a belief in God as voodoo certainly does not aid in sharpening anyone's mind. Anything is possible, nothing is possible. In the future I will try to restrain myself , but I reserve the right to take a swipe at the proselytizers once in awhile. :0) Who is trying to proselytize you, sir? I've not read a single message in this forum urging you to repent of your sins, or repudiate your atheism. Perhaps that's what you believe we're trying to do; further illustrating my point that reality absolutely depends on the perspective of the individual. If you think this is happening, I beg to differ. The only action I have witnessed from you around here is the exercise of your right' to take a swipe at people you think are proselytizers. With respect to the John Guttridge article, my belief in God inspires a sense of stewardship over his creation. This is what motivates my interest in environmental causes, and it's perfectly acceptable that you don't agree with my understanding. You and I can arrive at the same conclusion from different points of view; a strengthening influence for both of us. If you can't comprehend this, then why participate in the discourse at all? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Ken and Robert ; Not an expert by any means, and valid points about the actions of the US government, but I think they hate the entirety of the western culture. Sex before marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna, Brittany, gay marriages, Baywatch, the Fashion Channel, pornography, discos, atheism (or any God other than Alah). I received a spam email titled Extreme female ejaculations. Like I should open it. It is an outrage, but no one cares. Indeed! The difference between the moderate western perspective on this and that of any fundamentalist (I really hate that word!) is one of what to DO about the perceived immorality. I don't believe that convincing someone to be moral at the barrel of a gun is an effective method of changing behavior. Islamists who advocate violence are on no higher moral ground than the culture they so fervently despise. Are you sure this is what they advocate violence over? Some of them (VERY close friends of the US) do so as a penalty in their own countries, but that's not what you're talking of. Bin Laden has been very clear about this, so have many others. I don't believe they're motivated by what Westerners do in the West. Primarily they wanted US troops out of Saudi Arabia, and they objected to US support for Israel. Again, it's foreign policy, not domestic cultural issues. This smacks rather too strongly of the They hate us for our freedoms nonsense. The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. The same courtesy would not likely be extended to a Christian church in Algeria, Libya, Syria and many other countries. Are you quite sure about that Robert? What are you saying, that they're all fundamentalists, that their governments and authorities are fundamentalist? I don't think you're on very safe ground - that might apply more to the US right now. And that finest hour in the US hasn't had a very wonderful follow-up, has it? Ask Cat Stevens, for one of far too many instances. They view western culture as a modern equivalent of Sodom and Gomorrah. And from where I'm standing, any objective observer must admit they have a valid point. That is God's problem, not yours, not mine, and certainly not theirs! We will go as it has been written about us, without the assistance of radical Islamists. That might ring a little more true if you'd added: ... or Christian fundamentalists. Best wishes Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I can go to hundreds of websites that are great to vent whatever ! But, I won't sit by anymore and let people throw out platant all encompassing trash about something (right to life) that didn't need to be here. If this is unacceptable to you and the rest of the forum than I apologize(I apologize if it is acceptable or not) for my having the nerve to write my feelings. Thank you for your time and consideration, Kim Wilde someone who uses my delete button constantly. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [altfuelfurnace] Babbington burner interest?
How to Convert a Beckett Burner to a Babington Burner: Any kind of standard #2 heating oil burner can be converted to a babington with some success and minimal cost. I've done this to 3 burners so far. I don't own a welder, so I've done this without. Here are the issues: 1. The pressurized oil supply tube should now supply pressurized air. No problem, just get a babington ball with a 1/8 npt fitting on it and unscrew the spray nozzle and replace with the babington ball. Now disconnect the other end from the oil pump feed and attach an air pressure line. I recommend a small airbrush type compressor because they are small, cheap and quiet, while delivering the correct pressure and volume. A good one can be had from Harbor Freight for about $65. 2. I had the most success with an older style burner chassis, it runs at 1850 rpm on the pump. If you then attach a pump from a modern high speed pump, it will cut the flow down enough so it can be more easily controlled. The bolt pattern is the same. The plastic or fiber shaft connector may have to be adapted, but that is fairly easy to do by saving the shaft ends from the two styles and joining them together. I did that with duct tape and it held up just fine. 3. The fire tube, about 3-1/2 diameter, needs to be a little longer to accommodate the new system. It can be easily replace with a length of 3-1/2 thin-wall electrical conduit. You'll probably have to buy a 10' length from an electrical supply house. Cut off 20 to 24 for this purpose. 4. Cut a hole in the conduit with a hole saw under the new babington ball, about 2-1/2 or 3 diameter. Take a cheap 3-1/2 or 4 diameter tin funnel. The top edge will bend around the conduit over this hole to form a tight seal. Amazing but true. Secure that in place with 4 or 6 pop rivets This provides a catch for the excess oil under the b-ball that doesn't get used up on each pass and dribbles off the ball. The funnel can then direct this oil to a reservoir through a hose. 5. Move the electrodes to a place in front of the b-ball a couple of inches. Use the existing electrode spacer and attach it to a bolt drilled into the conduit. It takes 3 holes, one for the bolt, two for the electrodes. This is in the vertical orientation. Position the electrodes so they make a spark in front of the b-ball. The wires from the transformer will have to be run out of the housing with extension wires coming out of the back of the burner through a hole you cut. Since the voltage is up to 10,000 volts, and standard wire has only about 600 volt insulation, run each wire inside a piece of small diameter urethane (vinyl) tubing as an extra layer of insulation. Use lugs on each end and wire it up. Test to see that you have a good spark. 6. We're getting there. Now, add a length of small diameter copper tubing to the outlet of the pump with a flare fitting. You probably want a needle valve to fine tune the flow. Direct the tube over the ball and through the conduit with another small hole. This will deliver a steady small stream over the top of the ball so it flows over the b-ball hole(s) at 0.01 diameter. You do know how to make a b-ball, I hope. 7. The fire eye now has to be moved to the front of this system, since its original position is blocked by the b-ball and it can't see the flame. Cut a hole at least 6 in front of the b-ball and attach a 6 length of 3/4 conduit running horizontally to the side. Use a conduit fitting to attach it. Put the fire eye into this conduit so it can see the flame from the side. Attach it to the controller. 8. This may work as is, but I have replaced the controller with one with a 45 second safety shutout delay so the slightly slower to catch vegetable oil flame has a chance to stabilize before the system shuts down on safety. 9. I had to attach a flange to mount this to the furnace, but with all of those burners lying around, a spare one was handy. I recommend you pick up several old burners, fast and slow types, since they are universally disposed of at all heating oil contractor shops. That way you can find all sorts of nifty attachments, such as solenoids, etc. I also had to prop this on a stand because of the longer flame tube wasn't supporting the new burner as well as I wanted. 10. I've run this on WMO, WVO and all sorts of nasty liquids. Its reliable and effective. Please don't take all of the WVO out there, I need it for the biodiesel factory I'm building. Good luck. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Robert Luis Rabello wrote: Who is trying to proselytize you, sir? I've not read a single message in this forum urging you to repent of your sins, or repudiate your atheism. Perhaps that's what you believe we're trying to do; further illustrating my point that reality absolutely depends on the perspective of the individual. This is interesting. I think that this is what really gets me about Christianity in general is the feeling that I am being pushed to repent for something that I do not believe to be sinful. as you point out here it is often the case that I am not being pushed into anything. I also frequently feel like I am being judged for my beliefs, (this man is a mirror) probably as I judge others I presume they must also judge me. there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) but are frequent symptoms so one tends to form an association. probably not fair, I apologize for pigeonholing. With respect to the John Guttridge article, why is this the john guttridge article? I didn't write it, someone misinterpreted my comments about hypocrisy. whatever :) my belief in God inspires a sense of stewardship over his creation. This is what motivates my interest in environmental causes, and it's perfectly acceptable that you don't agree with my understanding. You and I can arrive at the same conclusion from different points of view; a strengthening influence for both of us. I have to say that having a respectful conversation with someone who you disagree strongly with can be trying at times. the problem is that when the egos start to get involved people stop talking about what their words are about and very little gets accomplished. this tends to be a trap one falls into when they feel something that they care about deeply is being questioned, especially if it is something that they have some question about themselves. Joy, Peace, and Respect, John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
the meaning of punitive damages. the idea is to punish the corporation in the only language it understands (money) so the value of the award was more based on the value of mcdonalds than it was about the value of the victims injury. once you realize that it makes a whole lot more sense. assume for a moment that the value of the injury (calculated as the cost of all of the medical bills plus the financial compensation for all of her pain and suffering) was $100,000 exactly how likely is that to make mcdonalds change their practices such that more don't suffer? if that was your local coffee joint it would probably put them out of business but mcdonalds has 4.4 billion in sales. John Doug Younker wrote: Keith, After I read the details of that case, the case actually illustrates why we should not embrace tort reform. There was no reasonable expectation the coffee would have causes burns to the degree that it did. The industry knew that where serving coffee at temperature that could injure seriously and done nothing, to reduce the risk or warn of the risk. Even now the warning now, is severely lacking because it doesn't accurately define the risk. While the jury award was extreme, it was not the real award because most if not all States have limits in place. But GWB and friends don't want you to know that. I have many tell me my thought on this are crap. ...I have yet to have one to accept my challenge that they attempt to drink coffee at the temperature that coffee was being served at, that time and prove me wrong. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act? : Hello Peggy : : You mean like that infamous case of the woman who sued McDonald's for : a fortune because her coffee was too hot? : : Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Hmm... Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! You said it. I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? Huh? What are you talking about? My message to you was about your sneering at the freedom of discussion on this list, nothing else, it's not possible to read anything else into it because nothing else is there. Yet that is what you've done. I think you have a problem. This is what I said to you - it's below, though you cut it: I reinstated it, but I think I'd better put it above too: Bob Hakan, Much literary criticism comes from people for whom extreme specialization is a cover for either grave cerebal inadequacy or terminal laziness, the latter being a much cherished aspect of academic freedom. JKG Thanks for your reply, Kim What's that supposed to mean, Kim? There is freedom of discussion at this list, it's something that has been established, built and maintained over five years, and many of us set great store by it. Are you saying that it's just terminal laziness, a cherished aspect of academic freedom??? Because that it sure as hell isn't, other than cherished perhaps. There's nothing merely academic about it, and it's the very opposite of laziness - it's rigorous, as it has to be else it would quickly succumb to the lowest common denominator, which has happened elsewhere, but not here. Kindly explain yourself. Hakan had said this: Since we many times enjoyed the freedom of discussion, I guess that we have to accept this kind of voodoo also. And you sneered at it. That's what my message to you was about, and that's ALL it was about. It has NOTHING to do with your continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America, etc, which is in the eye of the beholder and nowhere else - not in my message to you and certainly not in the archives. Dave Shaw is an American, and he just wrote this: Thank you Keith for reassuring all that we are welcome. I have certainly been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only to reread the further and find that the statement was of different intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny. This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years, and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process. I've just written this: I don't think the system in the US is a good reflection of who you are as a people, you're much better than your system, and I think most people sense that in differentiating between Americans and Washington. And this, the day before: Still, as I've said here a few times before, despite various foolish accusations of America-bashing and America hating (baseless slander), I still look to Americans to lead the way in countering this, and to take their country back. I'm sure I'm not alone here in thinking this way. Many of the most tireless and effective campaigners are indeed Americans, in this as in many other most pressing issues challenging the world today. In spite of everything, it's MUCH too soon to write them off as a lost cause. Washington, now... well, that's another matter. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem (another one). There is no America-bashing here. There is CERTAINLY no Jesus-bashing here! Good grief! When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! Nonsense. See the quote from Dave Shaw again: he can see it, you can't. Why are you being blind? Shouldn't you ask yourself that? I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! Unless I'm much mistaken, your first post here was about a Briquette press, your second was about Luc's processor, and your third about abortions. SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? Uh, you mean What's all this off-topic political crap got to do with biofuels? LOL! Please see these previous messages (there are others), and refer to the links posted there: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36185/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36920/ Also see the List rules about Rights and obligations and Open discussion, and the Note at the end. Please DO do that. When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I said that? Nope. Tell me where I said that - give me the exact quote and the reference, please. Don't ignore this: tell me where I said that. I can go to hundreds of websites that are great to vent whatever ! But, I won't
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
Hi To All, I guess I sort of misread this thread and got excited about the idea that a corporation could face the death penelty, and not just the officers. When you think about it, if a corporation has the rights of a person such as the protections offered by the bill of rights, then why not have the death penalty, (we as persons face), extend to corporations too. The corporation could face dissolution and termination of it's imortal status. Then we would find out if the death penalty is really a deterant Corporations are not human. There's a lot of very good material on corporations and corporateering in the archives. But I think this is essential reading - how to kill a mammoth, from Roberto Verzola, secretary-general of the Philippine Greens: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30617/ So is this: http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous5.html#creed Feel No Remorse -- The Corporate Creed Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
financial compensation for all of her pain and suffering) was $100,000 exactly how likely is that to make mcdonalds change their practices such that more don't suffer? if that was your local coffee joint it would probably put them out of business but mcdonalds has 4.4 billion in sales. Plus, these corporations will shift the burden of such litigation on to either their customers or their employees. To make the fines really stick they need be somehow taken out of the stock value. Get the stock holders pissed off and the company will change (hopefully for the better). Though I think the corporate death penalty is more likely to occur before a stock fine. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Wired article from the NBB conference
infatuation with biodiesel, the replacement for petroleum diesel that can be made from vegetable and animal oils and fats. The farmers, soybean growers from Midwestern states, are enlisting the help of environmentalists and celebrities, to give them the hip, eco-friendly image they need to reach young adults and baby boomers. The relationship between soybean growers and environmentalists is proving a rocky one, however. Many environmentalists have been making biodiesel in their backyards, basements and bathtubs for years, and promoting the fuel at a grass-roots level. But the backyarders, as they are known, are also among the leading critics of the soybean growers' practices, particularly their use of GMO crops and herbicides. For reference: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66455,00.html? tw=wn_tophead_3 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Kim, This list has members from over 100 countries, as Keith often like to point out. It probably also have members from at least 3 basic religions and numerous variations of them. The only ones who repeatedly involve as superior credentials their country and Christianity as some superior religion, are the Americans. No wonder that they are challenged on both accounts and this especially with the foreign policies that their country stands for. Their country that officially have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, prove from time to time how little it means for some Americans. The only thing Bob actually did, was to tell you that as arguments, your personal basic Christian beliefs was completely irrelevant and you were intimidating and that this did not work on him. I also told you that this did not work on me either. Since this was your only arguments for the case you brought forward, please try to find some more relevant ones. If you search for a Christian forum or want to make us to be Christians, your are in the wrong place. Your references to religion and nationality, make you more of a Sandwich woman, than somebody with reasonable arguments. If you wanted to discuss right of life, then do that and also remember that you are living in one of the few countries that belive in the basic right of taking life. You also have the rights to have feelings and express them, it is also others right to have feelings about what you are saying and express them. It was said that somebody had a lack of respect, I cannot really judge which one. Hakan At 07:55 PM 2/3/2005, you wrote: Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I can go to hundreds of websites that are great to vent whatever ! But, I won't sit by anymore and let people throw out platant all encompassing trash about something (right to life) that didn't need to be here. If this is unacceptable to you and the rest of the forum than I apologize(I apologize if it is acceptable or not) for my having the nerve to write my feelings. Thank you for your time and consideration, Kim Wilde someone who uses my delete button constantly. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Global Issues That Affect Everyone
Best wishes Keith --- http://www.globalissues.org/ Global Issues That Affect Everyone If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. - Bertrand Russell, Roads to Freedom What's New - February 1, 2005 Featured Sections: * Asian Tsunami Disaster * Foreign Aid * Iraq * Global Warming * Media and Propaganda The following global issues may seem separate, but hopefully you will see that they are all inter-related... Trade Related Issues * The Causes of Poverty * Third World Debt * Free Trade and Globalization * Corporations * Behind Consumption and Consumerism * Sustainable Development * * Fair Trade Environmental Issues * Biodiversity * Genetic Engineering of Food * Human Population * Global Warming * * Animal and Nature Conservation * Natural Disasters Other Things of Interest * More Information and Resources * Favorite Quotes * Reading List Geopolitics * Arms Control * Arms Trade * Conflicts in Africa * International Criminal Court * Middle East * War On Terror * Foreign Policy * Military Expansion * Children, Conflicts the Military * NATO and Kosovo * Crisis in Chechnya * Crisis in East Timor Human Rights Related Issues * Human Rights and Justice Issues * Mainstream Media * * Women's Rights * Racism http://www.globalissues.org/about.asp About this Web Site This web site looks into global issues that affect everyone and aims to show how most issues are inter-related. Over 5000 links to external articles, web sites reports and analysis are used to provide credence to the arguments made on this web site. The issue categories range from trade, poverty and globalization, to human rights, geopolitics and the environment. Some of these issues may be misrepresented by the mainstream for various reasons such as politics, profit motives, to oppress dissent, and so on. Some of these issues may not be receiving enough -- or any -- mainstream media attention and therefore there is a lack of enough open and public debate, while other concerns seem to be getting a biased attention only. However, I hope you will see that all these issues are closely related, affecting and being affected by one another. Constructive criticism and debate should be a necessary part in the development and continual improvement process in all of us so that we can always evaluate ourselves, as individuals, collective peoples and societies. This helps avoid stagnation, complacency and blind conformity, while enhancing democracy and diversity. As more and more people become aware of the various issues, more and more ideas on ways to tackle these can come to the fore. Yet, oftentimes, the mainstream media, which is perhaps the most influential source to help shape people's opinions and knowledge about the world, is subject to the political interests of powerful people or groups and therefore affects the ability to see issues debated in public to the fullest. As a result, the range of discourse in the mainstream, the presuppositions and assumptions are never questioned or realized as limiting factors. I feel these issues and their backgrounds are important because it opens our eyes as to how we got to where we are today, and hints as to where we are headed and how, and what that implies for the societies and peoples of today and of tomorrow. Society by its very nature is conformist. To be a non-conformist one has to take criticism because it disturbs people's confidence in what they always took to be true. If you have any feedback or criticism of this site, please let me know1! -- Anup Shah Copyright © 1998 - 2005. (The contents of any page written by myself may be reproduced in whole or in part without further permission, with proper credit given. Where you link back to this site, it is preferred that you link to the specific page or section that is cited/reproduced, rather than just a general link to the home page.) [more] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production
Keith, People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL! Lets hope that they are too blinded by their outlook on petroleum long enough for the co-ops and local interests to take hold. However, the avaliable feed stocks are not enough to fulfill our current consumption (talking both biodiesels and ethanol). So, is it plausable that any given fuel economy of an industrialized nation can be sustained with out a sizable infrastructure? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while the language (and sometimes culture) can change within a thirty minute walk. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Hakan and all Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of the time - in fact they vote whenever they feel like it, it's a citizens' right to organize a referendum on just about anything. Interest and turnouts are high. Not so easy to recognise today's US in that mirror image, is it? Who's the president of Switzerland? The name doesn't spring immediately to mind, does it? Or maybe, does Switzerland have a president or a prime minister, or a chancellor, or what? Don't know? Neither do I. Sounds good to me. It would seem the leaders, if that's quite the word (I think it isn't quite the word), don't have much choice but to abide by the consitution, and anyway nobody seems to take very much notice of them. At the time James had got a lot of Americans all upset with his talk of teledemocracy, which they saw as Direct Democracy, in other words mob rule. I said this to one of them: Anyway, you see teledemocracy = Direct Democracy = Mob Rule, the preferred alternative being the Rule of Law, and, what, the status quo? Somehow I don't think you're that happy with either of those. The bit above ending with the Patriot Act [Now the Homeland Security Bill basically suspends our Constitution under Color of Law, on top of the Patriot Act] is either the Rule of Law at work or shows that it's a weakling, easily purloined. It also looks more than somewhat like what you have now is Mob Rule. Law and justice are not the same. That allegedly
[Biofuel] micro-scale -was: World Energy and Dow Chemical
Lets hope that they are too blinded by their outlook on petroleum long enough for the co-ops and local interests to take hold. I think micro-scale will always be workable, and possibly have economic advantages. In the US, there are some regulatory expenses that currently hinder small scale operations. I am in the early stages of developing a local micro-scale plan. I recently attended the Grassroots Biodiesel Conference in Pittsboro NC hosted by Piedmont Biofuels Co-Op. I was hoping to learn more about starting a biofuel co-op, but was disappointed with the lack of success of other attempts around the country. Although learning what doesn't work is just as valuable if not more! One thing that plagues legal small scale production is regulatory issues. A quick glance at the regulatory economics of small scale production. Let us consider an operation that has a 110 gallon batch reactor, running a batch per day, 5 days a week. Let us assume then we are producing about 500 gal/wk, say 45 weeks a year, or 22,500 gallons of b100 annually. Let us call this size operation and smaller micro production To become a legal fuel producer (in the US), one must have either conducted, or license Heath Effects Testing for the fuel to be produced. Currently, joining the National Biodiesel Board, who has already conducted these tests, and is the owner of the resulting data, is the simplest way to gain access to the data. One can legally use the NBB testing results by joining the NBB. The minimum NBB membership as a small producer is $2,500. If you produce over 250,000 gallons a year a one cent per gallon dues rate structure kicks in. This membership has limited rights in the NBB, and no voting power. The only other option is to come up with $200,000 for Tier 1 testing ourselves. One solution to that may be an alliance of micro-producers around the country, or basically, an alternative to the NBB, but this is a topic for another thread. BTW ... I am very interested in starting such an organization. In the case of joining the NBB, the cost of data licensing per gallon would be: 2500/22500=0.1 so let's say .12/gallon. This does not include periodic testing of actual fuel produced, to ensure it meets the ASTM D751 specification. My understanding is that the actual complete test is roughly $900 per test. I have no idea how often testing is required..this must be found out. You can see how testing alone can be a major cost. If you had to test every 100 gallon batch, (45x5x900)/22,500 = $9.00 per gallon!! If you had to test every 1000 gallons, (22.5x900)/22,500 = .90 per gallon If you had to test once a year, (900)/22,500 = .04 per gallon How often is one required to test? This is a big unknown, and I will dig to find this out. My guess would be that there is no required testing interval, but your fuel may be subject to random EPA testing, and so as a producer, you want to ensure your fuel meets spec continually. One way to do this may be to do some portions of the testing in-house. If your in-house testing starts to deviate too much, it is an indicator you may be drifting out of spec. Period full testing should probably be done as often as one can afford. Assuming one does full testing quarterly, you can then assume about .12/gal for testing, and .12/gal for NBB membership...or .24/gal in regulatory expense. There is also the fixed costs of being registered with the EPA as Atypical fuel producer, local state/city business license fees, and the like..these must be determined. My LLC costs $30/year to be registered, other annual state/county business fees fall under $100.00/yr so these may be negligible. In order to sell this legally, one must also deal with the motor-fuel tax issues. A bond is required up front, to cover any discrepancies in your fuel tax filings. This would fall into startup capital costs. Assuming a co-op forms alliances with enough sympathetic local restaurants, and is able to acquire waste oil for free, and assuming labor is part of co-op membership, it seems cost of collection/transportation (svo powered of course) and pre-processing of feedstock can be as low as .15/gallon. This is a huge advantage compared to large scale production. The utilization of by-products in svo/glycerin fired boilers (a turk burner fired boiler unit is quite simple) to provide the needed heat for pre-processing, processing, etc, helps too. The ability to acquire donated space for production (I have plenty of space in our specific case) will also lower costs. Chemical purchases will certainly be higher per gallon produced with micro-scale production, but perhaps overtime, a co-op of co-ops can be used to make larger bulk purchases of chemicals. All this being said..my gut tells me this is a workable approach. Love to hear everyone's/anyone's thoughts on this! -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
From my understanding, Lubrizol works very well for the purpose it is intended for and that is B20 blend. It works primarily on the dino end, not the BD end. I am a bit scetchy about all the details and it could be a bit higher % on the BD side although I am certain that it is of littole value on B100.A consideration to keep in mind. Wintron CX-30 on the other hand was formulated especially FOR biodiesel and is reputed to do just fine on B100 down to -10C and the answer I got when I sent them an emai lwas that they were working on a formula that could in effect be winter friendly on B100 down to -20/-25C. (hopes and anticipation I am sure) Luc Luc - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Try to find a Lubrizol dealer or contact biofuelsystems in Britain. JLB - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wired article from the NBB conference
Case in point to my negative post about turning biodiesel into a commercial venture in the big business mindset. Along comes corporate and before you know it corporate is setting down rules and squeezing you and me out of the picture or making so difficult that it is prohibitive. Corporate is only interested in one thing, the profit line and whatever sells it will be interested in. For no other reason. They could gives a rat's fur about the true value of homebrewing biodiesel. Just like when folks got it into their heads that eating organically grown food was a good thing and the local organic farmers were at last making a living doing what is right, along comes corporate and tries to monopolize the organics market and squeeze out the local farmer. This is on-going. Just let corporate gets their hands on biodiesel production and you will see the same thing. To them it is a comodity, no different than dino, as long as there is money to be produced (you don't make money that's illegal) that is all it will be and they will do everything in their power to be the only ones making the product available. This corporate interest in alternative fuels may appear benign on the surface, but that is a tad naive to believe that they have our, or the planet's, well being in mind. We are now seeing TV adds promoting corn as a source of Ethanol in the boardroom of a fuel company. One guy says you paid X for a corn field ? Has it been shown to have any oil under it?After all, we are in the fosil fuel business To which the other guy answers, we are in the fuel business. Ethanol is a fuel, produced from corn... Cut to program. The propaganda has already started. I just cannot bring myself to believe that corporate is anything but a pirana and will burn out this resource (if possible) and then attempt to move on to the next financial venture. Luc - Original Message - From: Rachel Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Wired article from the NBB conference Farmers in the heartland are trying to cash in on America's growing infatuation with biodiesel, the replacement for petroleum diesel that can be made from vegetable and animal oils and fats. The farmers, soybean growers from Midwestern states, are enlisting the help of environmentalists and celebrities, to give them the hip, eco-friendly image they need to reach young adults and baby boomers. The relationship between soybean growers and environmentalists is proving a rocky one, however. Many environmentalists have been making biodiesel in their backyards, basements and bathtubs for years, and promoting the fuel at a grass-roots level. But the backyarders, as they are known, are also among the leading critics of the soybean growers' practices, particularly their use of GMO crops and herbicides. For reference: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66455,00.html? tw=wn_tophead_3 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
- Original Message - From: fox mulder Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:53 AM hi biodiesel is methyl or ethylesters (an organic molecule) isn't it that you are carrying out electrolysis for which you need an ionic electrolyte? fox Great question.I'm glad you asked me that.I'm not an expert so I'm afraid that I will not be able to give you a good answer. However , much of my experience is with making alkalisers for water thence altering the PH of water by altering the oxidisation reduction potential or ORP of the water molecule. It occurs to me that perhaps my posting was a bit brash. However, if there were any water in the mix it would dissotiate it (probably best performed at the first melting of the wvo stage.) Also, the electrical current would increase any effect that the earths magnetic field had on the reaction (arguably time) thence may be useful at the adding of the Methanol/lye product Methoxide to the melted/heated wvo.I havn't tried it yet in as much as I haven't even worked on any of the reactions. Indeed, I am currently in the process of obtaining Methanol for my first experiments. I do possess a platinum electrode, however, which you'll need to conduct this procedure successfully. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
