Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
I can't speak for size, but I do know that homes in the south are typically built without any insulation. When gas prices were low, this was seen as an extra construction expense that was only justified in the north... Even many of the ones here in Colorado from the 60's and 70's had minimal insulation, as it was not seen as cost effective. Obviously, we're changing our minds now. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
On 10/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in East Texas, and I can buy a 55 gal drum of methonal for $110. That's$2.00/gal. This is the guy that supplies the race track guys. $5.00/gal sure sounds expensive. I already bought jut 5 gal for a guy here for just$2.50/gal. So I think you can do better if you shop around. Well, you are in East Texas. Part of the Gulf Coast is in East Texas. It's possible your supplier is getting his stash more directly from companies that deliver to ports in the Gulf, therefore less cost is being added to ship and distribute it. Cheapest I've found locally, up in the Greenville SC area, is $4/gallon. I'm going to see if I can work something out with the local heating oil distributor, who used to carry it but then stopped due to lack of demand (Wish I'd gotten into this five years ago, I could have picked up some half-thousand gallons of Methanol for $0.50/gallon! ); the race crowd moved elsewhere, so they didn't need it anymore. Their rep said that if we can work out some kind of deal, they'll start carrying it again. And hey, with the way we use it... $5/gallon isn't that bad. Still cheaper than gas, by a long shot, especially if you recover excesses. . -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
Greetings, Where in East Texas? I am having trouble finding methanol at a reasonable price. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:24 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: I am in East Texas, and I can buy a 55 gal drum of methonal for $110. That's $2.00/gal. This is the guy that supplies the race track guys. $5.00/gal sure sounds expensive. I already bought jut 5 gal for a guy here for just $2.50/gal. So I think you can do better if you shop around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Congrats I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20 gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO, nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture what I will need to become more self sufficient. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/3/05, Jason Schick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for 2.67/gal. They are a petroleum distributor. I imagine you can find similar businesses around. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local race course -- the race cars use it for fuel. It's around $5/gallon or so I think. If you can find any race car people in your area, they may know where to get it. Zeke On 10/3/05, ReZn0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby, Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isn®t it?? ;-) Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste: BC OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up, BC but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions? BC Thanks, BC Bobby Clark BC ___ BC Biofuel mailing list BC Biofuel@sustainablelists.org BC http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org BC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: BC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html BC Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): BC http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Un Saludo, ReZn0rmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Hello I tried BD in my central heating system and it works fine. I have Arimax 520 + boiler (see http://www.thermia.fi/default.asp?ownerid=14dual boilers) and Oilon junior oil burner (see http://www.oilon.com/products/small/juniorprotechnical.html) Now I'm connecting my BDprosessor to central heating also, lets see how it works. Sami - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct I have a cental heating system in our house that burns natural gas. The unit sits in a closet in about the dead center of the house. I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof.Does anyone have this setup and use BD or byproduct or bioheating oil to supplement/reduce natural gas/electric heating? If so, how do you do it? Or, what would be the best way to do it?I was thinking of getting one or two of the 'kerosene' space heaters and using BD in them, so I could lower the thermostat.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
The most sensible solution for sustainable home heating is Geothermal Heat. Terry Dyck From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0400 Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Darryl McMahon wrote: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I'd just like to echo Darryls message that reducing your energy usage is a much better idea than finding an alternate energy source. I live in Maine with far colder winters, and heat a fair sized house (~2500 sq feet) and hot water for 4 with ~700 gallons per year. I built the house with 6 walls and an inch and a half of foam on the outside and a foot or so of fiberglass in the ceiling. In South Carolina you'd probably save more on AC in the summer than you do on heat in the winter. And the exhaust from your power plants wouldn't rain as much acid down on Maine:) --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
From what I understand, well, at least as it was explained to me by the DOT here in South Carolina, is that ianything/i used as a fuel on the roads has to have the road tax paid on it. It doesn't matter what it's being sold as, additive, fuel, or even tank cleaner, if you use it as your primary fuel source on the road and they find out about it, you will be fined and backtaxed (In the event of it not already having been taxed. I think technically you're supposed to pay the tax on any fuel you produce, as well, but I don't know about any kind of cut-off or buffer you have to fillbefore paying. Maybe it's something that could be individually worked out? I found all this out when I was looking into powering a car on Kerosene, which at the time was half the price of unleaded gasoline. I've been toying with the idea of, once I'm up and experienced with this, establishing a non-profit business to sell BD at-cost to local merchants and the bus systems (Schools and otherwise) just to help them free up some money to work on improvements they need to work on. But I'd have to hit some pretty massive capacities to be able to do that, thus the experienced part of the requirements. (The CATbus system alone burns through some two thousand gallons per week, by what I've figured.)) On 10/3/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find them. Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive the benefit?And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even 1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold it as an additive to people. Like Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to your fuel tank, since it's sold as an additive, think you still need to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like someone running drigas as their only fuel, legally I mean. Yes? No? Comments?Thanks!___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] solar heat exchanger
On 9/28/05, Tom Scheel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've proposed a system that combines heat exchange and storage, thus giving you efficiency of design. The storage tank and the draindown tank can be the same tank, thus removing a maintainance/failure item (glycol - which likes to leak, is less efficient than water as a heat transfer medium, costs $8/gallon (in the US)). Plus you are saving time as it looks like you are hunting around and experimenting with low percentage ideas (PVC/CPVC = PITA). The proposed system does require a pump (you should be able to use two circulators in series - read your pump sizing charts). As to DHW through excessive piping - I presume you are talking about pressure drop. That is solved by taking your 3/4 supply and running it through three 1/2 loops in your heat exchanger. And you are only adding 100 to 120 feet of run, so the pressure drop should be manageable (even if you kept it a single 3/4 loop in the heat exhanger. Tom, After re-reading your original post and then staring at a slew more diagrams, I have to say that I agree with you. As hard as I might try to avoid it, I am still overcomplicating this. Thanks, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
On 10/4/05, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only assume these are large homes.I live in Ottawa, Canada.South Carolinais where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold.My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximatelyUS$500.It is a reasonably small house though.Heating season here is October toMay.(But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill.http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htmYou should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ It is a fairly large house, five split-levels (Not full fledged floors, but half-floors arranged on a staggered basis). Because of the split-level nature, it has a lot of wide open airspace inside. And wide open airspaces are not conducive to good heating, or really even cooling, as they're just massive pockets of unused air that needs to be heated or cooled regardless. I'll agree immediately that we could have designed our house better. However, we do have insulation (R14) in all the exterior walls, and R14 blown insulation (I think that's the R-value, I'll have to check again) in the attic and any roof airspace that isn't inhabited. The basement, where I live, is easily one of the easiest places to cool (No south facing at all, and its only windows sit underneath a wraparound porch connected to the floor above mine.), but it's a pain in the butt to heat because it's made of concrete under sheetrock and, again, has no south facing. I won't get any radiant solar heat in my room, most of the others will. Luckily, I prefer cooler climates than we get down here anyway (I'm still wearing shorts when it's sub-50's F down here.), so this isn't a big problem for me. The rest of the house tends toward large window spaces to let it a lot of natural light, but at the same time these large windows allow heat to escape. It's economical at times, but during the winter it bites. We did install inert-gas pocket insulated double-pane windows when we built it; I'll look up the R-value again if necessary. It's about a seven year old house, now; might be a little older than that. Concrete foundation, wood construction from there up. Vinyl siding (We originally almost went for brick, which would have been better, but it was too expensive at the time.), and asphalt shingles on the roof. The roof pitch on the south side of the house is nearly perfect (It's a huge expanse of sharply pitched roof) for a solar water heater setup, or even photovoltaic panels; it stays rather well lit during every season, and thesharp pitch makes its surface area enormous. It's a house with potential, but we don't have the money to really exploit it right now, so... Looking for other options. Such as BD (Working on my final little set up to make some test batches today, should have results in tomorrow. ^_^) in the central heating and such. Thanks for the sites, I'll check them out later when I'm actually at home. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Darryl, I'm STUNNED!!! Your house must be wrapped in R60. Congratulations for your efficient heating! Last January I paid $500 for natural gas heating FOR THAT MONTH alone. And yah, we did upgrade the insulation through that GreenSaver programme. That was the improved cost. Dang. Yup, I'm looking at your tips, yes please. Jesse [snip] I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Re-thinking Washing systems...
I have been giving washing some thought these days. Bubble washing is the simplest but has some reservations with regards to the reactions to the fuel. I like the agitation or mixing but I have been noticing that the soap does not easily settle in some cases. Here is my thought. Build a wash system with a large tank that has a domed top that a clear tube connects to a tank that is connected to another tank with a domed bottom. The clear tube is a sight tube that has valves on both ends of the tube. The bottom tank is the holding tank for the wash water. The top holds the unwashed biodiesel. Water is pumped from the wash tank to the top tank. The water would be sprayed either with a mist or a diffusion spray that would cover the entire surface of the biodiesel. This would wash the soap solids down where you could view them in the sight tube. The domed top of the wash tank would direct the oil back towards the top tank and the domed bottom of the top tank would let the water wash the soaps to the wash tank. The sight tube could be used to see where the good stuff begins and the soaps end. Valves could be installed to direct the finished fuel to a settling tank or hold the biodiesel for another wash. The wash water could be drained refilled through the top tank. I am in process of building a smaller version of this using PVC pipe. Any thoughts? Fred Finch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Hello Kurt, On 10/4/05, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ It is a fairly large house, five split-levels (Not full fledged floors, but half-floors arranged on a staggered basis). Because of the split-level nature, it has a lot of wide open airspace inside. And wide open airspaces are not conducive to good heating, or really even cooling, as they're just massive pockets of unused air that needs to be heated or cooled regardless. I'll agree immediately that we could have designed our house better. However, we do have insulation (R14) in all the exterior walls, and R14 blown insulation (I think that's the R-value, I'll have to check again) in the attic and any roof airspace that isn't inhabited. R14 is minimally acceptable in the walls, and quite low for the attic, IMHO, if you are trying to retain heat. On a cold day, check the tops of your walls on the inside for temperature. Blown cellulose insulation can pack or settle down over time. If the top of the wall is colder than mid-wall, you may have a cavity in the insulation. I would start with more insulation in the attic. I have about R60. If you have a steeply pitched roof, you should have lots of room for more insulation. Once the attic insulation is upgraded, you should have warm air pooling at the ceiling of the top floor. I like fibreglass batts for attic insulation, but this seems to be a matter of personal taste. In my experience with split-levels, there is nothing to stop the warm air from going to the top of the building on convection alone. Once you have heat pooling at the top ceiling, use either ceiling fans to push it back down to where the people are, or pull it into a central heating system via the cold air return, and leave the furnace fan running even when the furnace is not producing heat. The basement, where I live, is easily one of the easiest places to cool (No south facing at all, and its only windows sit underneath a wraparound porch connected to the floor above mine.), but it's a pain in the butt to heat because it's made of concrete under sheetrock and, again, has no south facing. I won't get any radiant solar heat in my room, most of the others will. Luckily, I prefer cooler climates than we get down here anyway (I'm still wearing shorts when it's sub-50's F down here.), so this isn't a big problem for me. The rest of the house tends toward large window spaces to let it a lot of natural light, but at the same time these large windows allow heat to escape. It's economical at times, but during the winter it bites. We did install inert-gas pocket insulated double-pane windows when we built it; I'll look up the R-value again if necessary. Given you have a lot of windows, with an insulation value of approximately R3 (I'm guessing from that description), I suspect these are your second culprit after the attic. One common approach is to add a layer of transparent plastic on the inside of the windows in the autumn, to help reduce heat loss. It does have a minor impact on solar gain as well, but is generally considered a net benefit. To help keep warmth in at the windows, I recommend insulated blinds (available at high-end home decorating stores), or for those on a more limited budget, window quilts. More on window quilts at http://www.econogics.com/busys/wnquilt.htm . These approaches permit you to get passive solar gain during daylight hours, and increase the R value at night to help hold the heat in. Some folks cut styrofoam board for windows that are not sun-facing, and leave them in place all heating season. 1-inch board is R5, 1.5-inch is R7.5, 2-inch board is R10. A pain for windows where you want to see out during the day, in my experience. There are other approaches, but they tend to be more expensive as retro-fits. It's about a seven year old house, now; might be a little older than that. Concrete foundation, wood construction from there up. Vinyl siding (We originally almost went for brick, which would have been better, but it was too expensive at the time.), and asphalt shingles on the roof. The roof pitch on the south side of the house is nearly perfect (It's a huge expanse of sharply pitched roof) for a solar water heater setup, or even photovoltaic panels; it stays rather well lit during every season, and the sharp pitch makes its surface area
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Greetings, Except in areas of high humidity where mold and mildew are your worst enemies. There are no 'one size fits all' solutions. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:30 AM 10/4/2005, you wrote: The most sensible solution for sustainable home heating is Geothermal Heat. Terry Dyck From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0400 Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] OFM
Keith Ive made a few test batches. I havent made a big batch yetwaiting for wvo and meohto come fromsuppliers. I know it will take along time to design an ofm reactor properlythats why i want to get started right awayand find out if it can be done. john ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Maher's closing bit
A friend who recently returned from England to the US wrote: Yes, I'm back with a whole new perspective on politics here in America. Helloo, sheeple. We are being fed the White House line by the unquestioning TV news, and print journalism isn't much better. No one is searching for the truth, they're just swallowing the Bush spin whole. I watched the BBC news the last two weeks and then came back to see the same stories spun from the other side on our news. For example, according to US news outlets, there is great progress in training Iraqi troops to take over. According to BBC, ain't happening, ain't gonna happen anytime soon and may never happen. Who do you believe? Also, the Brits have a very poor opinion of the Dubya and question why their sons and daughters are also being sent to fight for the Bush dynasty oil. Good question. When I returned, I found a friend of mine had sent me this. I think it makes a very legitimate point. It's something Bill Maher said on his show, which I don't see often enough as I don't get premium cable. His closing bit the other night: Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people. Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man? Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote. But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes. On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: 'Take a hint.' ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Hi Micheal I was wondering if you had ever gone to mr clarks in ga . I am from orangeburg sc in the middle of the state. I have not made any bio d but I am very interested since i have several d engines. I almost want to go exclusively to d. Let me know where you are on your process. Thanks Matheson[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby,I'd be glad to help you. I'm very near Columbus, GA.Your choice. I have lots of room for you to camp at my place.Michael LendzianCINS Network Support TeamColumbus State UniversityCINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105706.569.3044 (help desk)- Original Message -From: Bobby Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:58 amSubject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC Hello, Is there anyone out there that makes biodiesel in upstate SC or northeast Georgia? I am just starting to become interested in making biodiesel and I would really like to see the process first hand if possible. If there is no one, then wish me luck in becoming one of the firsts in my region to do this! I will have many questions, so I hope there are plenty out there that are willing to help. Thanks, Bobby Clark___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_37/b3950067_mz018.htm Power From The Sunbaked Desert Solar generators may be a hot source of plentiful electricity Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. Plant enough of these solar-dish farms, Bush learned on his tour of Sandia National Laboratories' National Solar Thermal Test Facility near Albuquerque, and they could mightily reduce the need for electric power plants that burn fossil fuels and emit carbon dioxide. MOJAVE MEGAWATTS The day after the Presidential tour, Sandia's vision began to look a lot more real. The supplier of the solar-thermal dish generators, Stirling Energy Systems Inc. in Phoenix, won a major commitment from Southern California Edison Inc. (EIX ) (SCE): For 20 years the utility will buy all the electricity that Stirling Energy can generate at a 500-megawatt solar energy farm that Stirling will build in the Mojave Desert near Victorville, Calif. This could be the biggest solar installation in the world -- equal to a typical coal-fired plant. And if local power lines can be upgraded to handle more juice, Stirling could enlarge the facility to 850 MW -- and SCE would take all of that, too. Stirling's deal was made possible by several trends that are pushing alternative energy into the mainstream. As oil has become more expensive, so have natural gas and coal, the primary fuels for power plants. At the same time, concerns about global warming have prompted lawmakers -- local, state, and now the feds -- to unleash incentives for renewable energy. Wind power, solar energy, geothermal, and biomass fuels are all benefiting. If the dishes do well, Stirling Energy's 4,500-acre desert farm will usher in new potential for Stirling engines, invented in 1816 by Church of Scotland minister Robert Stirling. His engine is ideal for green energy because it doesn't burn fuel internally. Instead, its pistons are driven by heating and expanding a reservoir of gas, which then cools for the next cycle. Using the sun's energy to heat the gas means zero fuel is burned. Stirling Energy stands to rake in upwards of $90 million a year once the solar dishes are generating 500 MW in 2011. For SCE, already the largest purchaser of renewable energy in the U.S., the extra 500 MW will more than double the 354 MW of solar power it tapped in 2004 from nine other solar-thermal operations in the Mojave. It will also add almost 20% to SCE's 2,588 MW of renewable energy sources, including 1,021 MW of wind power. Last year more than 18% of the electricity that the utility delivered to its customers came from renewables. Monster dish-shaped heat antennas are hardly familiar icons of green power. People tend to associate solar energy with flat, glassy panels that convert photons from sunlight into electric current. But such photovoltaic cells don't produce power as efficiently as Stirling dish generators. Cells typically convert just 10% to 15% of the sun's light -- and many cells perform at just half that level. In contrast, Stirling dishes achieve almost 30% in Sandia's six-dish system. Later this year we'll do even better, declares D. Bruce Osborn, Stirling Energy's new CEO and a longtime solar proponent. DAYTIME ONLY Why hasn't Stirling Energy's technology made more of a splash in the power business? Our dilemma has always been how to get costs down, explains Osborn. The dish assemblies now run $250,000 each. But that's because most have been handcrafted in sporadic lots of one or two units. Building a group of 40 or so would trim the cost to $150,000 each, Osborn estimates. With real mass production, that could drop by 50%. So when SCE said it wanted to buy more renewable energy, Osborn's outfit proposed the 500 MW project as the means of moving beyond its chicken-or-egg impasse. Producing that much electricity will require 20,000 dishes, built in a steadily increasing flow over several years. We're ramping up now, says Osborn. He expects to have 40 dishes in place for a 1 MW facility by the end of next year, followed by 50 MW in 2008. The electricity will be delivered only when the sun is shining, but that's when the utility's customers place peak demands on electricity. Our system is a really good match, providing peak power at times of peak load, notes Osborn. The price per kilowatt-hour (kWh) that SCE will pay is confidential and must be approved by the California Public Utilities Commission. But there's little doubt that the contract will get a thumbs-up,
Re: [Biofuel] solar heat exchanger
Hi All, Check solartwin.com runs direct on water with own PV pumping shine on dD Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: On 9/28/05, Tom Scheel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've proposed a system that combines heat exchange and storage, thus giving you efficiency of design. The storage tank and the draindown tank can be the same tank, thus removing a maintainance/failure item (glycol - which likes to leak, is less efficient than water as a heat transfer medium, costs $8/gallon (in the US)). Plus you are saving time as it looks like you are hunting around and experimenting with low percentage ideas (PVC/CPVC = PITA). The proposed system does require a pump (you should be able to use two circulators in series - read your pump sizing charts). As to DHW through excessive piping - I presume you are talking about pressure drop. That is solved by taking your 3/4 supply and running it through three 1/2 loops in your heat exchanger. And you are only adding 100 to 120 feet of run, so the pressure drop should be manageable (even if you kept it a single 3/4 loop in the heat exhanger. Tom, After re-reading your original post and then staring at a slew more diagrams, I have to say that I agree with you. As hard as I might try to avoid it, I am still overcomplicating this. Thanks, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
howdy terry, isn't that a bit of over generalization? the most sensible sustainable heat for my home is wood. I have sufficient land in oak/hickory forest to take firewood forever. I have the most efficient wood stove I could by and live in a very low population area. For someone in a high population density area, district heat, using a local power plant's waste heat would be more efficient that a heat pump. just a comment. Terry Dyck wrote: The most sensible solution for sustainable home heating is Geothermal Heat. Terry Dyck From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0400 Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Matheson, Well, the answer is no. GA is a big state you know. I used to live and make BD in Savannah for a couple of years. Since, I have taken a new job and relocated in Columbus. I'm out in the country where I am at now. It helps when living a low impact lifestyle to not have to worry about nosey neighbors. I'll be around if you need me. -Michael Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) Hi Micheal I was wondering if you had ever gone to mr clarks in ga . I am from orangeburg sc in the middle of the state. I have not made any bio d but I am very interested since i have several d engines. I almost want to go exclusively to d. Let me know where you are on your process. Thanks Matheson[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby,I'd be glad to help you. I'm very near Columbus, GA.Your choice. I have lots of room for you to camp at my place.Michael LendzianCINS Network Support TeamColumbus State UniversityCINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105706.569.3044 (help desk)- Original Message -From: Bobby Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:58 amSubject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC Hello, Is there anyone out there that makes biodiesel in upstate SC or northeast Georgia? I am just starting to become interested in making biodiesel and I would really like to see the process first hand if possible. If there is no one, then wish me luck in becoming one of the firsts in my region to do this!! t; I will have many questions, so I hope there are plenty out there that are willing to help. Thanks, Bobby Clark___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: Kiwi in 'War on Terror' in Philippines
Dear All, Here's an interesting snip from a New Zealand environmentalist list. Regards, Bob. Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Kiwi in 'War on Terror' in Philippines: Radio NZ Subject: Kiwi in 'War on Terror' in Philippines: Radio NZ Date: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:54 am Linda Clark will be interviewing Tim Howard at 10.05 a.m., after the 10 o'clock news, this Thursday (October 6) on Radio New Zealand's Nine To Noon With Linda Clark. Tim, from Whangarei, was one of the delegation of four Kiwis. They were among more than 80 foreigners who spent a week visiting five Philippine hot spots as part of the International Solidarity Mission in August. As soon as the September 11, 2001, terrorist atrocities happened, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo offered the services of the Philippines to the US and George Bush declared the Philippines to be America's 'second front' in the War On Terror. What this means in reality is that an already very bad human right situation has become absolutely appalling, all in the name of trying to brutally suppress the two civil wars that have raged throughout the Philippines for decades - against the New Peoples Army of the Communist Party of the Philippines and the armed forces of the Muslim separatist movement in the south of the country. A culture of impunity means that the military and their death squad allies can terrorise, abduct, torture and murder at will, targeting those it labels as members or supporters of those two groups. This means that anyone perceived as critical of the Government, the tiny handful of super-rich landlords who still own the country or the military who serve as their private army, is in danger. And none of these kidnappers, torturers and murderers need ever fear official retribution. In addition to his week with the International Solidarity Mission (which culminated with an International People's Tribunal conducting a trial of Presidents Macapagal-Arroyo and Bush) Tim spent more than a month on an exposure tour from one end of the Philippines to the other, visiting the frontlines of the War On Terror such as the Muslim islands between the Philippines and Borneo where repression is fiercest. He spent time with, among many others, indigenous sea nomads, striking miners, sugar workers, and people's movements throughout the country. This was Tim's first visit to the Philippines and he has come home filled with both admiration for the courageous struggle of the Filipino people and horror at the way in which they are terrorised by their own Government and military. Tim's conclusion is the Filipino people are the ones being terrorised by the War On Terror, they are its victims. The Philippines is a country that rarely ever registers with the NZ media or public, so don't miss this interview with someone who is just back from the front lines of the much-hyped War On Terror, a Kiwi who has seen its reality for himself. Murray Horton Secretary PSNA Philippines Solidarity Network of Aotearoa Box 2450, Christchurch, New Zealand [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.converge.org.nz/psna ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
mark manchester wrote: Darryl, I'm STUNNED!!! Your house must be wrapped in R60. Well, I live on the left coast, which is considerably milder than Ottawa, but my family of four only spent about $700 on natural gas last winter. Insulation, weatherstripping and good windows are key. We could do more with window quilts, but my sweetheart isn't too fond of the idea. . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Forwarded Message From: "Terry Dyck" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:30:46 + To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] The most sensible solution for sustainable home heating is Geothermal Heat. Terry DyckNo it isn't. Your best bet is to build a home that doesn't require heating/cooling. This means lots of thermal mass, ideally exterior thermal mass, insulation, interior thermal mass (opposite of ICF insulated concrete form). Use R values greater than 3 (u value greater than .33) for your windows. Incorporate passive solar design. Next on the hierarchy is insulation (ie I already screwed up and used stick frame, what can I do). Continuous insulation (like foam wrapped around the outside of the home is good, because the wood in your home is conducting heat).If insulation were free, more would be better. Given it has a cost, stop somewhere around r30/r40. At that point your next insulation dollar should be spent on upgrading your windows (actually you should work on your windows once you get to R19 in the walls). You can get R8 windows (Canadian manufacturer). Once you have R8 (U.125) windows, add some more insulation to the walls/roof :-. Now why are our NC folks getting so cold? Because they are in an area of the country where summers are hot so people dont think so much about the cold. But consider this. Heating/cooling is in large part about the distance we get from 70 degrees F (cool enough in summer, toasty warm in winter). If your temperatures range from 30 to 100 you need 33% more energy to get warm on the coldest day (40 degrees F from 70) than you do get cool on the hottest day (30 degrees F from 70). But your house is optimized for cooling (no radiant in-floor heat), ducts placed for A/C, whimpy, expensive to operate furnaces.OK. Now on to active systems. Choice # 1 is solar heat (you can use an air coil (heat air by blowing it across a heat exchanger heated from solar) if for some reason you dont have/cant add radiant heat). Solar heat will always be cheaper than geothermal (all energy comes from the sun, the farther you get from the sun, the greater your real costs are (ie natural gas is cheaper than solar PV because we are deferring the pollution costs (start with 200 billion for Katrina recovery), we subsidize natural gas, etc. etc).For cooling, if you havent build a house like I told you to above and if your climate rarely sees 90s, do it with night-time cooling. If you need both heating and cooling and you have less than a month in the 90s, you can cool your home with radiant cooling, using passive geothermal (ie no compressor). If you live in a hot climate that needs cooling and heating, dont have radiant, have a poorly built home (ie 90+% of all homes), why then I agree with Terry, and geothermal (active) is your best bet (but throw up some PV to offset the electric requirements of your compressor (energy hog). It is much cheaper than trying to accomplish cooling your house by heat exchange with outside air (ie extracting cool from 100+ degree air) the traditional air conditioning system. But as I have said, geothermal will never be a cheaper option than solar for heating, and a well designed house elegantly side steps the whole issue. From: "Darryl McMahon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0400 Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You
[Biofuel] Biodiesel processing Equipment
Hey guys, My name is Rob and I'm located in Perth, Western Australia. I'm very much a newbie to DIY Biodiesel processing but am very eager to collect the necessary equipment and materials needed to make my first batch. Obviously I'd start on a very small scale until I got the technique under control but an opportunity to purchase a hard-core piece of equipment has presented itself and I'd like to solicit some professional opinions. I have found someone who longer wants a 400L stainless steel distilling vat and I thought it might make a prefect biodiesel processor. Essentially it is a large drum with a conical base supported on legs and is about 2m in height. There are a few outlets at the base of the unit and access to the top of the drum is via a 30-35cm diameter hole. The top of the drum has a thick rim with holes where a mixing/heating unit could be attached. Having had no prior experience with either distilling/fermenting vats or biodiesel processing units, I was hoping someone could tell me what features I should be looking for and whether this unit would be a wise investment for future processing. Any help would be greatly apprciated. Regards, Rob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
I am in Tyler, Tx but the place to buy Methanol is in Kilgore, Tx. Send me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want the name of the place. I have it in my organizer at home. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth Kim Travis Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:25 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Greetings, Where in East Texas? I am having trouble finding methanol at a reasonable price. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:24 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: I am in East Texas, and I can buy a 55 gal drum of methonal for $110. That's $2.00/gal. This is the guy that supplies the race track guys. $5.00/gal sure sounds expensive. I already bought jut 5 gal for a guy here for just $2.50/gal. So I think you can do better if you shop around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Congrats I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20 gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO, nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture what I will need to become more self sufficient. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/3/05, Jason Schick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for 2.67/gal. They are a petroleum distributor. I imagine you can find similar businesses around. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local race course -- the race cars use it for fuel. It's around $5/gallon or so I think. If you can find any race car people in your area, they may know where to get it. Zeke On 10/3/05, ReZn0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby, Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnRt it?? ;-) Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste: BC OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up, BC but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions? BC Thanks, BC Bobby Clark BC ___ BC Biofuel mailing list BC Biofuel@sustainablelists.org BC http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org BC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: BC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html BC Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): BC http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Un Saludo, ReZn0rmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Emulsification during second wash
I have made 4 test batches so far and each one has had good seperation with clear fuel at the top and one layer of dark brown byproduct on the bottom. The first wash turned out good on all batches with clear fuel on top and milky water on the bottom. Things always go bad during thethe second wash. What happens is athird layer appears between the fuel and the waterthat looks like white tapioka pudding. Any idea what is causing this? I have varied the amounts of methanol and lye for each batch but still get the same results at the second wash. perhaps using a blender rather than a gentle stirring during the processing has something to do with it. I am also using canning jars and just adding water and shaking the jars for the wash. I am ready with my tanks to start my first 30 gallon batch but don't want to waist the wvo until I know it will turn out ok. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Also I am in Northern Arkansas and would like to visit a working home made biodiesel processor that is close by. Ed Normandy Mountain Home, AR ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
I've researched the US state and federal incentives and programs and would suggest that you start at the DOE's Alternative Fuel website...http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/ . There is quite a wealth of information there, and some of it is actually helpful. One item of particular interest I will point out to you here, so as to save you some time and trouble. The vast majority of state incentive programs are politically motivated and have zero funding. The bills are passed to make the politicians look good, but they do nothing about seeing it through. Good luck! -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:30:43 -0400 From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From what I understand, well, at least as it was explained to me by the DOT here in South Carolina, is that ianything/i used as a fuel on the roads has to have the road tax paid on it. It doesn't matter what it's being sold as, additive, fuel, or even tank cleaner, if you use it as your primary fuel source on the road and they find out about it, you will be fined and backtaxed (In the event of it not already having been taxed. I think technically you're supposed to pay the tax on any fuel you produce, as well, but I don't know about any kind of cut-off or buffer you have to fill before paying. Maybe it's something that could be individually worked out? I found all this out when I was looking into powering a car on Kerosene, which at the time was half the price of unleaded gasoline. I've been toying with the idea of, once I'm up and experienced with this, establishing a non-profit business to sell BD at-cost to local merchants and the bus systems (Schools and otherwise) just to help them free up some money to work on improvements they need to work on. But I'd have to hit some pretty massive capacities to be able to do that, thus the experienced part of the requirements. (The CATbus system alone burns through some two thousand gallons per week, by what I've figured.)) On 10/3/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find them. Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive the benefit? And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even 1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold it as an additive to people. Like Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to your fuel tank, since it's sold as an additive, think you still need to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like someone running drigas as their only fuel, legally I mean. Yes? No? Comments? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
*Raises a hand.* I'm another startup in SC. Upstate, Anderson/Greenville area. I too would be keenly interested in going and checking out someone else's setup, or maybe just having someone around to lend a hand if I try to blow something up on accident. (A joke, I assure you. Though it might be cool, be one of the first to actually blow something up instead of just catch it on fire. ^.~) Having a hard time finding Methanol; only place I've seen that actually carries it wants nine bloody dollars a gallon for it. And it's an hour's drive away. Eight local petroleum/heating oil/propane distributors, and not a single one of them carries or sells methanol, dangit. Peace all -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
Grants? From the government for Alternative Fuel? Because it's a good idea and the right thing to do? hahahaha, thank you, m'boy, for a good laugh. That's not the way the government works. If you want money, you need the right people to make it happen. 1 good personal connection in AG or DOE is worth a dozen beautifully written grants. A good place to start networking in conferences where govvies attend. Foundations are somewhat different but anywhere, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Good luck! -Mike , I've researched the US state and federal incentives and programs and would suggest that you start at the DOE's Alternative Fuel website...http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/ . There is quite a wealth of information there, and some of it is actually helpful. One item of particular interest I will point out to you here, so as to save you some time and trouble. The vast majority of state incentive programs are politically motivated and have zero funding. The bills are passed to make the politicians look good, but they do nothing about seeing it through. Good luck! -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:30:43 -0400 From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From what I understand, well, at least as it was explained to me by the DOT here in South Carolina, is that ianything/i used as a fuel on the roads has to have the road tax paid on it. It doesn't matter what it's being sold as, additive, fuel, or even tank cleaner, if you use it as your primary fuel source on the road and they find out about it, you will be fined and backtaxed (In the event of it not already having been taxed. I think technically you're supposed to pay the tax on any fuel you produce, as well, but I don't know about any kind of cut-off or buffer you have to fill before paying. Maybe it's something that could be individually worked out? I found all this out when I was looking into powering a car on Kerosene, which at the time was half the price of unleaded gasoline. I've been toying with the idea of, once I'm up and experienced with this, establishing a non-profit business to sell BD at-cost to local merchants and the bus systems (Schools and otherwise) just to help them free up some money to work on improvements they need to work on. But I'd have to hit some pretty massive capacities to be able to do that, thus the experienced part of the requirements. (The CATbus system alone burns through some two thousand gallons per week, by what I've figured.)) On 10/3/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find them. Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive the benefit? And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even 1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold it as an additive to people. Like Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to your fuel tank, since it's sold as an additive, think you still need to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like someone running drigas as their only fuel, legally I mean. Yes? No? Comments? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Emulsification during second wash
On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Ed Normandy wrote:Things always go bad during the the second wash. What happensis a third layer appears between the fuel and the water that looks likewhite tapioka pudding. AKA mayonnaise, but with chunks! :-)Any idea what is causing this? This is "Emulsification during the Second Wash"perhaps using a blender rather than a gentle stirring duringthe processing has something to do with it. I would think so, yes. Both first and second washes shouldbe very gentle. I am also using canning jars and just adding water and shaking the jars for the wash. My process would not tolerate anything called "shaking"until it had been through two gentle washes.-K___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. typical, have you ever truly LOOKED at a desert? its not the moon people, there is a huge booming ecosystem that noone can seem to see behind all the sand (actually the sand is only a thin layer above the raw earth) there is plant and animal life that only begins to liven up at night, insects are rampant, and the whole thing is perfectly balanced around the water supply which is usually found as frost at night, and collected in plants as it becomes liquid just before sunrise. it is NOT a wasteland, you just have to know how to look at it. and now for the sake of a clean earth, you would destroy the only place humans dont WANT to go? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I to have had and are still having a hard time with gal veers liter grams per once except I have found that all the info is metric yet some of the equipment is in gal or ounces thats why I convert using the charts on the internet. Sorry I am not trying to confuse you maybe I need help with the measurements. I find I need to write down all steps or I get things all screwed up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evergreen Solutions Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 6:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I drove twice as much I would use the # above.I hope this helps. Derick Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands metrics better. Now I have to convert. :) I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a gallonI think that's worth distilling. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
