Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto City's biodiesel plant
Someone just posted this on another list: I would love to buy a complete system to make the B100, something idiot proof and as simple as running a washing machine just add the soap and out comes B100 ready for the tank, no measuring, titration, filtering, washing or checking the PH. Anyone know of a unit like this under $20,000 Washing-machine-type processors for everyman, right, just put it all in and switch it on. Plenty of discussions here about such things too in the past, or rows rather. So far it leads to stuff like this Japanese junk below, and other junk like the FuelMeister. It would be nice if there were such a thing some day, but the day hasn't come yet. There's hope though, I think, but don't hold yer breath. Best Keith Some pictures here of Kyoto City's biodiesel plant: http://www.e-revo.jp/new/sisetu-sinnsetu.html Technology provided by Revo International (Japanese company), plant built by Hitachi Shipping company (official English name not known). The plant can make 5,000 litres of biodiesel a day. The construction cost was 751,000,000 yen, about US$7,500,000. We tested some biodiesel from Revo. Strong smell of methanol and the completion wasn't good. This project has been fueling one of the city's garbage truck fleets since 1999 I think and nothing else has happened. The biodiesel plant apparently runs at a profit made from guided tours of the plant. In Japan a small, 100-litre per day batch reactor costs anything from US$70,000 to about $200,000, flogged by various companies. They can't handle much FFA if any. Some have been sold but very few are used, they just stand there doing nothing. Where they are used the fuel is poor quality, usually poor completion. This is one reason Handmade Biodiesel a la Journey to Forever was such an unknown concept here in Japan, that anyone can make biodiesel and you can make the processor out of bits of junk. It's not unknown now though. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Prep for winter
Hi Robert, Darryl, Keith, We've just finished pressing pink insulation into the headers in the basement., sealed the basement door, which leaked water in a storm anyway, and plastic'd the basement windows. Clearly these were the areas we had not addressed before. Let there be no more $500/month heating bills, please. Window quilts, why not? Only at night, though, right? Otherwise, always wear a miner's helmet with the light on the forehead. I'm very envious of your garden, Robert, I love reading about it. Out I go right now with my wagon full of compost to begin digging my little patch in the sun. You'll go straight to heaven Jesse. :-) Thankyou, Keith, for the great info about square foot gardens. So encouraging! Yes! But our sq ft beds here are in disarray right now. :-( Spring, there's always spring, they'll be good again in the spring. All best Keith Jesse From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:33:16 -0700 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct mark manchester wrote: Darryl, I'm STUNNED!!! Your house must be wrapped in R60. Well, I live on the left coast, which is considerably milder than Ottawa, but my family of four only spent about $700 on natural gas last winter. Insulation, weatherstripping and good windows are key. We could do more with window quilts, but my sweetheart isn't too fond of the idea. . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Hello Brian I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. Hehe Sorry I am being silly again. Keith you do have a great web site and now that you have explained the layered information technique I will go back again and read it all again. I actually knew there was a great depth to the JTF site because every time I ask a question you quickly respond with a link to another information pool I had overlooked. You are absolutely right, there is a lot of info there and when combined with this email list it is all coming together for me. I take full responsibility for my words and more so for my actions. With this in mind, can I blame the skipping of titration of the WVO, on my wife, the ex-science teacher? :-) You'll have to ask her about that. I try not to bother you all with excerpts from my daily newsletter. You're welcome, when you've posted them before I don't think it bothered anybody, probably enjoyed them, I enjoyed what I read (not all, sorry, it's difficult to keep up right now). You're being selective about it. I use my writing as a catch all to keep friends and family informed of what we are doing. Having not posted most of my daily chronicle you of course don't get to see the summations of what I have learned here. Somehow I guess I am saying that all you see are the questions I post as I am knee deep in this.For instance in my newsletter I made note of all of our short comings many of which you noted that day. Okay, that makes sense to me. After rereading this morning's newsletter I don't believe there is anything there that would shed any light on my thinking (or lack thereof) on this topic. Thank goodness I didn't post my verbose newsletter, right? Basically, I state that I have a lot of respect for you and will listen and learn. Thankyou! The Biofuel list is an info medium and so is your newsletter. I think media have a purpose and a function, you aim them at something and then you work them to have an effect. I've thought for a long time that local media, eg the local rag and the local radio station, and informal media like 'zines and so on, are more interesting and useful than the big national media, in a way at least. The Biofuel list is global but its target is local, and frankly I'm probably more impressed that it reaches your network via your newsletter than I would be if it hit the NY Times. Don't let it go to your head,keep being selective! LOL! I know that precision is better and I need to get prepared for this weekend's chem-lab.project. I will look in a pet store for the Phenolphthalein. I have graduated syringes and pipettes. A triple beam scale is on the way. I looked at the Salvation Army next store and they have a blender for $15.00. Better! On another thread called White lye I see that my lye may be questionale too. I followed the link http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye . I was wondering what the dark colored particles in my lye were. After reading your description I beleive I have aluminum in there. Probably so if it's just drain-cleaner, lye on steroids. So, I now have to find a source for clean lye. That's all I have time for Keith. I know this isn't much after your wonderful letter. :-) I'm glad you liked it. I guess I want you to know that I do have something going on. Here's to a good wind behind your sails. Thank you for your patience. About information layering and comprehension and so on, I said most people seem to get it. We receive all this feedback all the time, quite a lot of it's from folks doing biofuels or biodiesel. But there's no way of extrapolating backwards from feedback to get a true picture of how people are using your information, even when website stats show you where they go at your site and how long they spend there. It's just a guess. The numbers are big though, so it's probably not such a bad guess. (Currently around half a million visitors a month, 1.5 million page views.) For instance, a new list member just joined, via JtF, not a newbie. He's been making biodiesel for six months, he didn't have to ask anybody, he just started at the beginning, tripped up a couple of times with the first batches, did some re-reading, got it right, moved on to the two-stage methods and now he uses the Foolproof acid-base method. We often hear this, I reckon he's fairly typical. I think most people do get it about accessing the information and most are able to use the biodiesel information as a course they can do by themselves, and they learn how to make good biodiesel, but we only ever hear about it from just a small proportion of them. On the other hand some people are really hard to help, and I don't have any clear idea of how many of them there might be either. Take for example the leading candidate for this week's Vivian O'Blivion Commemoration Award for Achievement in Failing to Notice the Blindingly Obvious, who had definitely visited the biodiesel section of the JtF website, and sent this
Re: [Biofuel] Pelly's Model A
Hello Juan Hello everyone, I have been looking to all the reactors and model that exists in the JFC website. I finally manage to get high quality BD. So the next step is to make BD in big quantities. I have a farm that uses about 5000 Gallons of petro diesel a week so I want to change that. I want to build something like the Pelly's Model A. But I did not find that much info in the website. The rest of the pages in the Processor section at JtF are all processors you can build, with details and instructions. The page for Mike's Model A simply introduces it and provides Mike's contact details. Mike and his company will be selling the reactors, not providing plans for people to build them themselves. It's not very big though. Best wishes Keith I would like to know whether someone has built something that big . how difficult it is and how much would cost? thanks Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pelly's Model A
Hello Keith I tryed to Contact Mike couple of weeks ago ,but No reply ... maybe you can help me to get in touch with him thank you JuanOn 10/19/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello JuanHello everyone,I have been looking to all the reactors and model that exists in theJFC website.I finally manage to gethigh quality BD. So the next step is to make BD inbig quantities.I have a farm that uses about 5000Gallons of petro diesel a week soI want to change that. I want tobuild something like the Pelly's Model A. But I did not find that much info in the website.The rest of the pages in the Processor section at JtF are allprocessors you can build, with details and instructions. The page forMike's Model A simply introduces it and provides Mike's contact details. Mike and his company will be selling the reactors, notproviding plans for people to build them themselves.It's not very big though.Best wishesKeithI would like to know whether someone has built something that big . how difficult it is and how much would cost?thanksJuan___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Thank you so much Keith The final line in your previous letter gave me a full blown laugh out loud as I was getting ready for work. On the other hand some people are really hard to help, and I don't have any clear idea of how many of them there might be either. Take for example the leading candidate for this week's Vivian O'Blivion Commemoration Award for Achievement in Failing to Notice the Blindingly Obvious, who had definitely visited the biodiesel section of the JtF website, and sent this terse message: Need info on making biodiesel. Thanks. :-/ Keith I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. I know I had a plan 'B' but, at this moment it does not come to me. I need to get back to fixing PCs here. As soon as time permits I will respond to your letter in full. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Elsbett Vegetable Fuel Conversion Workshop
Elsbett Vegetable Fuel Systems Workshop this weekend in Pittsboro, North Carolina with special guest, Alexander Noack from Elsbett Technologies in Germany. We will be converting 10 vehicles (mostly VW and Mercedes) over the weekend. Come participate in a Straight Vegetable Oil conversion workshop! This Saturday, October 22nd 2005 10:00am – 5:00pm Pittsboro Campus Central Carolina Community College www..edu Workshop Fee: $60.00 To register for the workshop please contact: Ramona or Shelly at 919-542-6495 ext 223 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
Hello Juan, I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from restaurants. It'squite variable and more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get itfor just your transport costs. If you live in apoorer area then look for wild castor beans. They'rehave large yields and are generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well fora garden or farmsoil amendment. It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDFree is the best oil to use ;-)Juan B wrote: Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in the website but I did not completely understand . thanksJuan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says CONTAINS NO METHANOL. Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
I stand corrected. On 10/19/05, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
I'd probably be an Independant except then you can't vote in the primaries in most states... JJJN wrote: Hi Mike, I am responding to this post as a matter curious interest. I wonder if this country would be in better shape if there were no such thing as the Party system. For example, I have steadily been drifting apart from any affiliation and instead just looking at the issues, hearing out and researching them, and deciding what my view point is, and I no longer care if my new perspective crosses a party mentality whatsoever. I am usually just a listening post anymore, and spend more time thinking out what I have heard to dissect it from several perspectives. I find this to be rather eye opening and enlightening but also scary as some of those sacred beliefs can get trashed and replaced. Anyway I was just wondering what your response to this might be as I respect your opinions and viewpoints along with others on this list. Jim Mike Weaver wrote: Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a crit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Thanks Zeke I was planning on going to the dreaded WalMart this afternoon as they are the only store left in this small town. I will be looking for denatured alcohol there. Brian On 10/19/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas
We are thinking ofplanting Jatropha Curcas treesusing earth worms to compost waste, the compost we get from the worms we will use for the Jatrophatrees. We are think of only planting Jatropha because of the following reasons: 1. Once planted the Jatropha trees bear for approximately 50 years. 2. We have ordered seeds from India andwe intend planting these seeds and once the trees are old enough we take cuttings from them,we will supply the local people with these cuttings so that they will beable to establish small plantations. Apparently Jatropha grows easily from cuttings and the cuttings produce fruitsearlier than Jatropha planted from seeds. 3. Once again we will assist the local people to establish simple hand presses that would be able to press the fruit and the oil once filtered can be used directly in there tractors and stationery engines. We will teach them to start up on normal diesel and then switch over to the Jatropha oil once the engines are warm and to switch back to diesel again before shutting off the engine so that none of the Jatropha oilis left inside the diesel pump and pipes, filter etc.of the engine. People who do not have tractors or engines can sell the oil or the fruit on the open market. 4. The compost that the worms produce for them they can use in their own plantations or gardens or sellon the open market. 5. Oh!Inearly forgot we are up in the north eastern section of South Africa (Limpopo province)the area were we are issupposed to be sub tropical but the last 4 years has been very dry and we have not received any where nearour normal rainfall and this year so far is the worse. Limpopo is the poorest province in South Africa. One advantage we have is that there is large tracts of land that can be used for planting and the quality of the soil generally is not bad, now all we need is for our normal rainfall to return. 6.One of the reason we are thinking of using Jatropha is because we understand it grows in all conditions and will even grow in semi arid regions, it never goes below 8 degrees Celsius here. 7. Locally thereare nosources of used vegetable oils etc. to enable us totry and make bio diesel so we willwait until we are able to produce our own oil and them learn how to convert it to bio diesel. There are many other reasons that we are thinking of going exclusively with jatropha but you must understand that we are only going on what we have read and have no practical experience and would appreciate any input and advice from anyone as we do not want to disappoint the local people, to them it would be a tremendous boast ifthis plan can work. I hope I am allowed to post such a lengthy question and that it is relevant to the list? Greetings BellaBok ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
HEET for diesels is almost pure ( 98% or so ) Isopropanol from what I understand. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
Dear Mr. Tom Irwin: Did you find by your own experience that tallow is a good raw material for producing biodiesel? or there is any bibliography that you can indicate me on the subject?. Your help will be the most appreciated, thanks in advance. Cordially, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD Hello Juan, I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from restaurants. It'squite variable and more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get itfor just your transport costs. If you live in apoorer area then look for wild castor beans. They'rehave large yields and are generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well fora garden or farmsoil amendment. It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDFree is the best oil to use ;-)Juan B wrote: Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in the website but I did not completely understand . thanksJuan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Very good thanks Ken Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl alcohol. next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at the local university. Brian Rodgers On 10/19/05, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says CONTAINS NO METHANOL. Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Yes, Ethylene glycol is your normal green antifreeze for cars. Propylene glycol is a non-toxic antifreeze used in solar thermal systems and some of the new car antifreeze formulations. It's usually pink when I've seen it, although I'm not sure if this is natural color or dye. Why are you looking for ethylene glycol? On 10/19/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good thanks Ken Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl alcohol. next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at the local university. Brian Rodgers On 10/19/05, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says CONTAINS NO METHANOL. Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
It'll run fine on 100. I've seen at least two now. Andy Karpay wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
Wait. Are you are running unheated WVO?? I have heard that you can do this with the old mercedes because they have a much stronger injector pump design than most everything else. But I don't think it's generally recommended in anything else, especially in anything with Lucas injector pumps. The new VW diesels can't handle glycerin, methanol, and un-reacted oil in poorly made biodiesel very well even though this didn't bother the older diesels, so I'd suspect that the liberty CRD would have similar pickiness about having good biodiesel. Given the poor cetane levels and lubricity of US diesel, I'd think that it would actually run better on good biodiesel than #2 diesel, but that's just my conjecture, based on my experience with my '84 diesel (which doesn't mind unwashed biodiesel either). Viscosity is the only thing I've noticed change with WVO in colder temperatures, but then again, I've only had experience with heated WVO systems, so it's always above 160 or so when it hits the injector pump, regardless of outdoor temperature. If it's hydrogenated oil, it will congeal at a bit higher temp than if it's non-hydrogenated oil. Zeke On 10/19/05, Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
John, I completely agree with your first point that corporate welfare should be stopped. However, I have to disagree with you on your second point. Labor laws and government-mandated worker safety standards have had a crippling effect on many small-to-medium sized companies. Many of these regulations began as corporate-union concessions, or industry-standard committees. By the government stepping in and enacting regulations, both labor unions and corporate negotiators have lost much of their bargaining powers and industry participants have less and less say in how their industries should be operated. Also, while I agree you that market forces do not always choose the path that is best for everyone, consumer choice can be a powerful balancing weapons to keep those market forces on the right path. As a side note, both Ford and Chrysler began offering seat-belts in 1956 as a result of pressure from several industry groups, including the SAE and AMA. This was 5 years prior to the first seat-belt law (WI NY in 1961). And I know my family (and I'll bet your's too) didn't wear the seat belts in our cars until the late 1980's. Does this prove how ineffectual government safety regulations can be? You be the judge. Thanks, Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- That government is best which governs least. -- Thomas Paine -- Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: John E Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Government meddling in a free-market economy is never a good thing. a) Well, removing the billions in corporate welfare the petroleum industry gets from the government might be a good place to start. Why ExxonMobil needs my tax dollars to fund RD when they had $25 billion dollars in profits last year, I don't really know. b) I disagree with your contention that the the government doesn't have a place in the market. First of all, laize-fair capitalism was rejected by the American people over a hundred years ago. We have labor laws and worker safety standards for a reason - a pure free market sucks for almost everybody except those at the very top/ Second, market forces will *not* always result in choices that are best for society as a whole. Without governmental regulations, we'd still be driving seatbelt-less, no-crumple zone cars powered with leaded gasoline. Free market ideologues always seem to ignore this little detail. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
I have a CRD. From the factory it comes with B5. I have run B11 without problems. Unfortuantly they don't sell any blends near me so I don't get to run it very often. This is my first diesel. My friend and I are getting ready to make our own bio soon. He has an F-250. Andy Karpay wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
A direct way of converting metric to english and vice versa is touse "Master Converter". You canuse google to search the url.This is better than to use approximations.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that water weighs 1 kilogram per litre, by the originaldefinition of the litre. If Joe's specific gravity for the oil of0.92 is exact, then the oil weighs 920 grams per litre.Is the 1.0% supposed to be the amount of lye *solution* per litre ofoil (which would raise the question of what concentration), or theamount of actual NaOH?Also remember that the Imperial and U.S. systems are not the same.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario, CanadaOn Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Hunter McCormack wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric to imperial and I have stumped myself in the process. I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of the virgin vegetable oil weight. It's given that this is approximately 3.5 grams/liter. This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter. There are 3.8 liters/gallon. This means that the oil would weigh 1.3 kg/gallon or 2.9 lbs/gallon. This is contradictory to the weight measurements that I have found for virgin vegetable oil that state there are approximately 7.4 lbs/gallon. What am I missing in this unit conversion? Hunter___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Please don't shop at WarMart! Despite the problems with the labour movement, i think all of us progressives on this list would agree the hostility shown by WarMart against organized labour is downright unacceptable. At least up here in kanada ie, a Quebec WarMart store's employees voted this past summer to unionize, so the store simply closed down KF On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Brian Rodgers wrote: Thanks Zeke I was planning on going to the dreaded WalMart this afternoon as they are the only store left in this small town. I will be looking for denatured alcohol there. Brian On 10/19/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
