Re: [Biofuel] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock
Here is a treasure trove of the fallacies of vaccination. If some weak 
people insist on getting
vaccinated, fine. But it goes over the line when they force others to get 
vaccinated as well. And that
is what is happening. Big Pharma wants total control of your body. And they 
are inducing weak
politicians to make the laws necessary.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm


From AAPS:

The Physician's Desk Reference cites adverse reactions to the hepatitis B in 
less than 1 percent. However, if more than 70 million American children 
receive the vaccine, that means more than 700,000 children are likely to 
suffer adverse reactions.

Children are a very low risk group for hepatitis B. Primary risk factors are 
dependent on lifestyle, i.e. multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an 
occupation with exposure to blood.

Rampant conflicts of interest in the approval process has been the subject 
of several Congressional hearings, and a recent Congressional report 
concluded that the pharmaceutical industry has indeed exerted undue 
influence on mandatory vaccine legislation toward its own financial 
interests.

The vaccine approval process has also been contaminated by flawed or 
incomplete clinical trials, and government officials have chosen to ignore 
negative results. For example, the CDC was forced to withdraw its 
recommendation of the rotavirus vaccine within one year of approval. Yet 
public documents obtained by AAPS show that the CDC was aware of alarmingly 
high intussuception rates months before the vaccine was approved and 
recommended.

Mandatory vaccines violate the medical ethic of informed consent. A case 
could also be made that mandates for vaccines by school districts and 
legislatures is the de facto practice of medicine without a license.

The CDC's own Guide to Contraindications to Childhood Vaccination warns 
that when assessing children's common symptoms, if any one of them is a 
contraindication, DO NOT VACCINATE [caps added]. And yet, under legislated 
mandates, the vaccines are still required.

End AAPS excerpt.

IMO, mandatory vaccinations are not Constitutional. We have nothing if we 
have no control over our own
bodies against outside forces. If my home is my castle, then what is my 
body?

Peace, D. Mindock  P.S. Marilynn, thanks for this topic as it hits home to 
what this country is becoming.

- Original Message - 
From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP


 All those bumper stickers loudly proclaiming that Abortion Is Not A 
 Medical
 Procedure has always made me wonder if the average individual actually 
 knows
 that Childbirth is Not a Medical Procedure Either.

 Historically the midwife (mid-wiff-ery) or the village medicine woman
 assisted with the help of the women of the family .. but back a couple of
 thousand years with the rise of the church any woman with herbal knowledge
 was branded as a witch and disposed of .. and THEN the church got to
 confiscated any property she may have owned .. glory be.

 .. and so the present day medical profession was born .. and the medical
 profession will tell you all the horror stories about all the things that
 can go wrong in gory detail.

 The reality is that things can go wrong with a tooth extraction but the
 majority of births in the majority of countries are normal, go well and 
 the
 living child is healthy.

 It almost sounds as if the hospital environment was a well timed hostage
 situation with that paper work.

 Perhaps it is time to reconsider finding a midwife.

 .. Or .. I don't have the details right now, but I believe a congresswoman
 (forgotten name for now) DEMANDED that the vaccine safety studies include
 the 3 separate non-vaccinated groups that exist here in the United States
 and be compare, side by side with those that have been vaccinated.

 .. the pharmas  company have been reluctant to include them in their
 studies .. humm

 One large group is the Amish .. a Second large group is the Home Schooled 
 ..
 and the Third group was a medical practice in the Illinois/Kansas area.

 Medical doctors who assist in your home who do not vaccinate .. wow .. you
 would wonder why the AMA hasn't shut those suckers down!!

 Mary Lynn
 Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
 ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART
 TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification 
 .
 Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy 
 Practitioner
 . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .
 The Animal Connection Healing Modalities
 http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/
 http://allcreatureconnections.org





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it was in kansas city about a 

[Biofuel] Debate over a leaching chemical heats up

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock



BPA was found in the '30s while the search was on for synthetic 
estrogens. How
it ended up in 
today's polycarbonate plasticand in cans is beyond me. Better living 
through chemistry?
Also 
see:
http://website.lineone.net/~mwarhurst/bisphenol.html
Peace, D. 
Mindock


Debate over a leaching chemical heats up
By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY

Is it possible that a chemical's effect 
is in the eye of the beholder? 
That's the implication of a paper 
published this week in a prominent environmental health journal.
It concerns a debate over the safety of 
low doses of a chemical used to make hard, clear plastics such as those found in 
baby bottles, food-storage containers and the lining of soda cans. 
[alsofound in dentistry wrt sealants and resins]
When the plastic industry examines the 
health impact of a ubiquitous chemical called bisphenol A, everything's fine. 

If the government or a university funds 
the study, there are big problems. 
Those are the conclusions drawn by 
Frederick vom Saal, a developmental biologist at the University of Missouri who 
reports his findings in Environmental Health Perspectives, published by 
the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. Vom Saal and others 
seek revised risk assessments for the chemical in the light of a new research 
into its effects.
Bisphenol A mimics the sex hormone 
estradiol in the body, acting "like birth control pills," says vom Saal. The 
body is exquisitely sensitive to sex hormones, needing only tiny amounts to 
trigger major changes. That's why scientists are concerned about the impact of 
even the extremely low levels of bisphenol A found in people.
In mice and rats there is evidence that 
low doses of bisphenol A can cause structural damage to the brain, 
hyperactivity, abnormal sexual behavior, increased fat formation, early puberty 
and disrupted reproductive cycles.
Vom Saal looked at 115 published studies 
concerning low-doses of bisphenol A. Overall, 94 of them reported significant 
effects in rats and mice, while 21 did not. 
Eleven of the studies were funded by 
chemical companies. None of those 11 found harmful effects of the chemical, 
which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says is detected in 95% of 
all people tested.
But more than 90% of the studies 
conducted by independent scientists not associated with the chemical industry 
found adverse consequences, says vom Saal. He called the disparity between the 
industry and government or university conclusions "stunning."
Steven Hentges of the American Plastics 
Council counters that the article is not a research paper but a commentary — "an 
op-ed" piece rather than a scientific paper. The real issue is the weight of 
evidence, he says, not the number of studies.
"You can have 1,000 studies, but if 
they're all weak, adding up weak evidence doesn't necessarily give you strong 
evidence of anything," Hentges says. "Jumping to who sponsored it is a way to 
dodge the facts."
He says that, in the view of the plastic 
industry, vom Saal has presented nothing new to change the conclusion that 
there's no cause for concern. "Government bodies worldwide have reached the 
conclusion that bisphenol A is not a risk to humans at very low 
levels."
Over 6 billion tons of bisphenol A are 
used each year to make polycarbonate plastics, which have the useful property of 
not becoming brittle over time. First synthesized in 1957, the material didn't 
come into widespread use until the 1970s.
Chemical bonds that bisphenol A forms in 
plastic can unravel when heated, washed or exposed to acidic foods, causing the 
chemical to leach into foods.
"There's good evidence to show cause for 
concern," says Patricia Hunt, whose research found abnormalities in developing 
egg cells in female mice when exposed to low levels of bisphenol A. 
"We now know enough to know that we need 
to look at this stuff in great detail," she 
says.
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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock
Also the Hunzas practice yoga, at least they used to. I wonder how they're 
doing
these days as the ways of the western world spread everywhere. The way of
life of the Hunzas and other long lived peoples show us a healthier way to 
live.
I don't think we need to abandon technology, but we need to realize its 
limitations
to giving us happier lives. IMO, we have too much dependence on technology
with not enough wisdom used in its application. It seems nowadays technology 
as practised
creates as many problems as it solves, thus we're getting nowhere wrt human
fulfillment and evolution. Keith has the right idea, an ancient idea--stay 
close to the land and nature.
Peace, D. Mindock

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
WasTestimonials as Evidence)


 Hi Bob

 Nutrition and Health, by Sir Robert McCarrison -- McCarrison's Cantor
 Lectures, to the Royal Society of Arts in 1936, Faber and Faber,
 London, 1953. After joining the Indian Medical Service in 1901 Robert
 McCarrison spent his early years in the Northern Frontier region
 investigating the legendary Hunza tribe, mountain people who lived to
 a vigorous old age and never got sick. He discovered why, and proved
 it in a series of experiments at the Nutrition Research Laboratories
 at Coonoor in India. It was the food they ate -- and, just as
 important, not just what food, but how it was grown. Unless it was
 grown in fertile soil, it was not health-giving food. Most doctors
 study disease; McCarrison had the rare opportunity to study health
 instead, as well as the lack of health among other races in the
 southern part of India subsisting on a poor diet. His findings put
 the fledgling science of nutrition on a whole new footing.
 McCarrison's Cantor Lectures describe his experiments as Director of
 Nutrition Research in India, the results, and the implications for
 health and nutrition. With photographs. Full text online at the Small
 Farms Library.
 http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/McC/McCToC.html

 The Wheel of Health by G.T. Wrench, Daniel, 1938
 Dr. Wrench's classic exploration of the Hunza, a mountain people
 renowned for their longevity and vigor. By approaching the problem of
 disease from the angle of a study of a perfectly healthy people,
 Wrench shows that health depends on environmental wholeness, of which
 a whole diet is the vital factor, and that a whole diet means not
 only the right sorts of foods, but their right cultivation as well.
 An examination of the agricultural technique of the most successful
 cultivators of East and West shows what an essential part of the
 wheel of health -- from man to soil, from soil to plant, from plant
 to man -- is the farmer's renewal and protection of the soil. Full
 text online.
 http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Wrench_WoH/WoHToC.html

 Lots more in the Small Farms Library if you care to look.
 http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html
 Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever

 Try Price, or Cleave - you'll HATE it! LOL! Especially since it's real 
 science.

 Keith


Howdy Terry,

Terry Dyck wrote:
  HI Bob,
 
  The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
  Diabetes,
  Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.

oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
get cancer.


   show me the data please.




On the other hand
  there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
  Hunzaland
  that is an almost disease free area.
I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

or how about 160+ year olds
http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

or maybe it's the magnetized water
http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm

   A pure organic food diet and almost no
  pollution could be the reason for people having good health.
 
or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
documentation?


  --
  Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
  =
  The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's 

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Mike,
   I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
Harvard study would actually be better off.
  Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
Peace, D. Mindock


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
WasTestimonials as Evidence)


 From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

 Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

 It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
 in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
 disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
 adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
 diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
 along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
 pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

 Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

 In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
 actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
 in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
 nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
 at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
 drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
 Other studies have found similar results.

 It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
 they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

 bob allen wrote:

Howdy Terry,

Terry Dyck wrote:


HI Bob,

The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
Diabetes,
Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.



oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
get cancer.


   show me the data please.






  On the other hand
there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
Hunzaland
that is an almost disease free area.


I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

or how about 160+ year olds
http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

or maybe it's the magnetized water
http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



 A pure organic food diet and almost no
pollution could be the reason for people having good health.



or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
documentation?




--
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG



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[Biofuel] Researchers Mimic Lotus Leaves For Self-cleaning PV Arrays, Non-stick MEMS

2006-10-18 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Interesting research. There are a ton of potential applications for this,

regards
tallex




Researchers Mimic Lotus Leaves For Self-cleaning PV Arrays, Non-stick MEMS




http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=54133

Researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology
 are mimicking one of Nature's best non-stick surfaces
 to help create more reliable electric transmission
 systems, photovoltaic arrays that retain their 
efficiency, MEMS structures unaffected by water
and improved biocompatible surfaces able to prevent
 cells from adhering to implanted medical devices. 

Based on a collaboration of materials scientists and
 chemical engineers, the research aims to duplicate
 the self-cleaning surfaces of the lotus plant, which
grows in waterways of Asia. Despite growing in muddy 
conditions, the leaves and flowers remain clean because
 their surfaces are composed of micron- and nano-scale
 structures that - along with a waxy coating - prevent
 dirt and water from adhering. Despite their unusual 
surface properties, the rough surfaces allow photosynthesis
 to continue in the leaves. 

When rain hits the leaves of the lotus plant, 
it simply beads up, noted C.P. Wong, a Regents
 Professor in Georgia Tech's School of Materials
 Science and Engineering. When the leaves are also
 tilted at a small angle, the beads of water run off
 instantaneously. While the water is rolling off, it
 carries away any dirt on the surface. 

The self-cleaning action of the lotus plant has 
intrigued researchers for decades, and recent studies
 done by researchers in several different groups have
 demonstrated the reasons behind the plant's unique 
abilities. 

The plant's ability to repel water and dirt results from an
unusual combination of a superhydrophobic (water-repelling)
 surface and a combination of micron-scale hills and valleys
 and nanometer-scale waxy bumps that create rough surfaces
 that don't give water or dirt a chance to adhere. 

Because of the combination of nano-scale and micron-scale
 structures, water droplets can only contact about three
 percent of the surface, Wong said. They're just not 
touching very much of the lotus surface as compared to 
a smooth surface. 

To address several unique applications, Georgia Tech 
researchers have attempted to duplicate the two-tier 
lotus surface using a variety of materials, including
 polybutadiene. But that organic compound isn't suitable
 for coatings that are exposed to sunlight because 
ultraviolet radiation breaks down its carbon bonds. 
So to address their first lotus application - self-cleaning
 insulators used on high-voltage power lines - the researchers
 had to develop another material. 

Supported by the National Electric Energy Testing Research
 and Applications Center (NEETRAC), that project would solve
 a problem that plagues electric utilities. The build-up of
 dirt and dust on ceramic or silicone insulators used by
 high-voltage power lines can eventually create a short
 circuit that can damage the electric distribution network.
 It's impractical to manually clean the insulators. 

Wong and collaborators Yonghao Xiu, Lingbo Zhu and Dennis
 Hess have developed a lotus surface able to withstand
 ultraviolet radiation using a combination of silicone, 
fluorocarbons, and inorganics such as titanium dioxide 
and silicon dioxide. Their prototype coating has shown
 excellent durability in long-term testing. 

Supported by the National Science Foundation, NASA and 
other agencies, Georgia Tech is also pursuing other work
 based on lotus applications: 

* Use of carbon nanotube bundles to create the surface
 bumps needed to prevent dust from accumulating on the
 surfaces of photovoltaic (PV) cells, space suits and
 other equipment intended for use on the moon or Mars
 - where there's no rain. Arranging patterns of nanotube
 bundles a few microns apart and applying a weak electrical
 charge should help keep dust away and maintain maximum
 efficiency in the PV cells that power space missions. 

* Application of lotus coatings to prevent stiction,
 which is the strong adhesive force that can form between
 the structures of micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS)
 and substrates. The magnitude of these forces can be
 enough to deform the structures, resulting in device
 failure. With its superhydrophobicity and surface 
roughness, a lotus surface coating can prevent stiction,
 Wong said. 

* A two-tier surface system composed of hexagonally-packed
 silica spheres on which gold nanoparticles were deposited.
 The resulting chemical and physical structures were studied
 to establish the impact of surface hydrophobicity and roughness
 on the measured contact angles on the rough surfaces. 

* Lotus surfaces for use in implantable medical devices to
 prevent cells from attaching to form blood clots. If successful,
 this application could replace anti-clotting materials
 that are coated onto implantable devices such as stents
 used to hold blood vessels 

Re: [Biofuel] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote:
 Here is a treasure trove of the fallacies of vaccination. If some weak 
 people insist on getting
 vaccinated, fine. But it goes over the line when they force others to get 
 vaccinated as well. And that
 is what is happening. Big Pharma wants total control of your body. And they 
 are inducing weak
 politicians to make the laws necessary.
 http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm
   

here is a gem from your antivax site:


*HOMEOPATHY IS RENOWNED FOR ITS ABILITY TO REDUCE OR REPAIR THE DAMAGE 
CAUSED BY VACCINES LIKE NOTHING ELSE CAN !* Homeopathy 
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/homeopat.htmis noted for its 
success to antidote or remove the toxic effects of vaccines and to 
re-establish balance in the organism and restore health. Certain 
homeopathic remedies taken after/ /vaccination can minimize vaccine 
damage. A professional homeopath 
http://www.homeopathy-cures.com/html/referrals_to_homeopaths.html 
should be consulted for more. 


what a joke.   Homeopathy is the easiest of alt ernative medicines to 
discredit. Anyone who can count, should understand.



 
 From AAPS:
   

what is the AAPS ?  google gives numerous organisations that  use those 
initials

 The Physician's Desk Reference cites adverse reactions to the hepatitis B in 
 less than 1 percent. However, if more than 70 million American children 
   
 receive the vaccine, that means more than 700,000 children are likely to 
 suffer adverse reactions.
   
Hepatitis B virus (HBV) is a common cause of liver disease throughout 
the world. An estimated one third of the world's population has 
serologic evidence of past infection, and the virus causes more than 1 
million deaths annually.1 In the United States, the incidence of HBV 
infection declined from about 14 cases per 100,000 population in the 
mid-1980s to about three cases per 100,000 population in 1998.2 However, 
there are still 1.25 million adults and children in the United States 
with chronic HBV infection. 


 Children are a very low risk group for hepatitis B.
unless exposed during birth:

  Primary risk factors are 
 dependent on lifestyle, i.e. multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an 
 occupation with exposure to blood.
   


http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/immune/hep_b/index.htm

HBV infection is a serious health problem in the United States. 
Transmission of HBV from mother to infant during the perinatal period 
confers the greatest risk of chronic infection or death from HBV-related 
chronic liver disease. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 
(CDC) estimates that between 454 and 751 HBsAg-positive Florida women 
give birth each year; without prophylaxis, 45-100 infants would become 
infected with HBV. Ninety to 95 percent of these potential infections 
may be avoided through appropriate maternal screening and infant 
immunoprophylaxis.


 Rampant conflicts of interest in the approval process has been the subject 
 of several Congressional hearings, and a recent Congressional report 
 concluded that the pharmaceutical industry has indeed exerted undue 
 influence on mandatory vaccine legislation toward its own financial 
 interests.

 The vaccine approval process has also been contaminated by flawed or 
 incomplete clinical trials, and government officials have chosen to ignore 
 negative results. For example, the CDC was forced to withdraw its 
 recommendation of the rotavirus vaccine within one year of approval. Yet 
 public documents obtained by AAPS show that the CDC was aware of alarmingly 
 high intussuception rates months before the vaccine was approved and 
 recommended.

 Mandatory vaccines violate the medical ethic of informed consent. A case 
 could also be made that mandates for vaccines by school districts and 
 legislatures is the de facto practice of medicine without a license.

 The CDC's own Guide to Contraindications to Childhood Vaccination warns 
 that when assessing children's common symptoms, if any one of them is a 
 contraindication, DO NOT VACCINATE [caps added]. And yet, under legislated 
 mandates, the vaccines are still required.

 End AAPS excerpt.

 IMO, mandatory vaccinations are not Constitutional. We have nothing if we 
 have no control over our own
 bodies against outside forces. If my home is my castle, then what is my 
 body?
   
part of a public health program?


 Peace, D. Mindock  P.S. Marilynn, thanks for this topic as it hits home to 
 what this country is becoming.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP


   
 All those bumper stickers loudly proclaiming that Abortion Is Not A 
 Medical
 Procedure has always made me wonder if the average individual actually 
 knows
 that Childbirth is Not a Medical Procedure Either.

 Historically the midwife (mid-wiff-ery) or the village medicine woman
 assisted with the help 

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote:
 Hi Mike,
I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
 milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
 to the body.
  Can you explain how this happens?



  So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
 Harvard study would actually be better off.
   Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
 Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
 drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
 Peace, D. Mindock


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
 WasTestimonials as Evidence)


   
 From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

 Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

 It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
 in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
 disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
 adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
 diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
 along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
 pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

 Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

 In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
 actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
 in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
 nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
 at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
 drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
 Other studies have found similar results.

 It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
 they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

 bob allen wrote:

 
 Howdy Terry,

 Terry Dyck wrote:


   
 HI Bob,

 The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
 Diabetes,
 Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.


 
 oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
 adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
 issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
 statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
 reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

 or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
 adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
 essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
 get cancer.


   show me the data please.






   
  On the other hand
 there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
 Hunzaland
 that is an almost disease free area.


 
 I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
 thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

 or how about 160+ year olds
 http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

 do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
 than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

 or maybe it's the magnetized water
 http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



   
 A pure organic food diet and almost no
 pollution could be the reason for people having good health.



 
 or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
 documentation?




   
 --
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 =
 The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
 moral philosophy; that is,
 the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

   


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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote:
 Hi Mike,
I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
 milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
 to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
 Harvard study would actually be better off.
   Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
   
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/13/food/0_03_1110_12_06.txt

Raw organic milk that sickened California children now OK

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003280686_spinach29m.html

Two children have been sickened in another episode of E. coli infection, 
this time from drinking raw milk from a Whatcom County dairy.

A 5-year-old boy from Issaquah was still hospitalized with the illness 
Thursday, while an 8-year-old girl from Snohomish County was recovering 
at home, said state health officials and a spokeswoman for a store that 
sold the milk.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Sciencearticle=UPI-1-20061013-01412200-bc-britain-tb.xml
 



  Small TB outbreak traced to raw milk






 Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
 drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
 Peace, D. Mindock


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
 WasTestimonials as Evidence)


   
 From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

 Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

 It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
 in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
 disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
 adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
 diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
 along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
 pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

 Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

 In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
 actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
 in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
 nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
 at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
 drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
 Other studies have found similar results.

 It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
 they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

 bob allen wrote:

 
 Howdy Terry,

 Terry Dyck wrote:


   
 HI Bob,

 The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
 Diabetes,
 Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.


 
 oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
 adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
 issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
 statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
 reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

 or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
 adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
 essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
 get cancer.


   show me the data please.






   
  On the other hand
 there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
 Hunzaland
 that is an almost disease free area.


 
 I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
 thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

 or how about 160+ year olds
 http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

 do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
 than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

 or maybe it's the magnetized water
 http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



   
 A pure organic food diet and almost no
 pollution could be the reason for people having good health.



 
 or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
 documentation?




   
 --
 Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
 =
 The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
 moral philosophy; that is,
 the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

   


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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually, I hate milk and am very allergic to it.  I like cheese but 
rarely eat it.  In Europe I prefer raw sheep's milk.
I read anecdotally that that both raw (grass-fed) milk and beef are much 
better than cooked.  I don't eat much meat at all.
I sometimes buy sushi grade tuna and eat it raw to get my mercury 
allowance ;-)

D. Mindock wrote:

Hi Mike,
   I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
Harvard study would actually be better off.
  Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
Peace, D. Mindock


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
WasTestimonials as Evidence)


  

From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
Other studies have found similar results.

It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

bob allen wrote:



Howdy Terry,

Terry Dyck wrote:


  

HI Bob,

The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
Diabetes,
Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.




oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
get cancer.


  show me the data please.






  

 On the other hand
there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
Hunzaland
that is an almost disease free area.




I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

  The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
   http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

or how about 160+ year olds
http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

or maybe it's the magnetized water
http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



  

A pure organic food diet and almost no
pollution could be the reason for people having good health.





or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
documentation?




  

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Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

  



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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
In Montreal this summer I tried steak tartar, as it was on the menu in 
several resturants.  It was served as  a little volcano of ground beef, 
with a raw egg in the  cone. 

Mike Weaver wrote:
 Actually, I hate milk and am very allergic to it.  I like cheese but 
 rarely eat it.  In Europe I prefer raw sheep's milk.
 I read anecdotally that that both raw (grass-fed) milk and beef are much 
 better than cooked.  I don't eat much meat at all.
 I sometimes buy sushi grade tuna and eat it raw to get my mercury 
 allowance ;-)

 D. Mindock wrote:

   
 Hi Mike,
   I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
 milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
 to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
 Harvard study would actually be better off.
  Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
 Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
 drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
 Peace, D. Mindock


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
 WasTestimonials as Evidence)


  

 From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.
 
 Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

 It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
 in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
 disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
 adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
 diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
 along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
 pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

 Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

 In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
 actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
 in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
 nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
 at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
 drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
 Other studies have found similar results.

 It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
 they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

 bob allen wrote:



   
 Howdy Terry,

 Terry Dyck wrote:


  

 
 HI Bob,

 The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
 Diabetes,
 Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.




   
 oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
 adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
 issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
 statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
 reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

 or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
 adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
 essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
 get cancer.


  show me the data please.






  

 
 On the other hand
 there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
 Hunzaland
 that is an almost disease free area.




   
 I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
 thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

  The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
   http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

 or how about 160+ year olds
 http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

 do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
 than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

 or maybe it's the magnetized water
 http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



  

 
 A pure organic food diet and almost no
 pollution could be the reason for people having good health.





   
 or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
 documentation?




  

 
 --
 Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
 =
 The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
 moral philosophy; that is,
 the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

  

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread MK DuPree



Hi D and Mike...isn't 
homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar 
the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more 
easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy 
milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it 
on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuffto be 
drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can 
taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this 
one!! LOL Mike DuPree

- Original Message - 
From: "D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
(Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
 Hi Mike, I think Weston 
Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and 
homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. So those drinking less of 
the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better 
off. Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and 
organic. Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the 
Hunzas drink their milk cultured, not straight up. Peace, D. 
Mindock   - Original Message -  From: 
"Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: Re: 
[Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia  WasTestimonials 
as Evidence)   From the 
can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. Caveat: No 
proof other than what I've read over the years. It has 
always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are in 
large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world, 
disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and 
adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from 
the diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes 
to mind, along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, 
high blood pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another 
factor. Another interesting item, from Harvard 
University's website: In particular, these studies 
suggest that high calcium intake doesn't actually appear to lower a 
person's risk for osteoporosis. For example, in the large Harvard 
studies of male health professionals and female nurses, individuals 
who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were at no greater 
risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who drank two or 
more glasses per week.(2, 3 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references) Other studies have found similar 
results. It is odd human beings are the only animal that 
develop "a disease" if they don't eat the milk of another 
species. Dogs don't need cat milk. bob allen 
wrote:Howdy 
Terry,Terry Dyck 
wrote:HI 
Bob,The Western world has the highest 
rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
Diabetes,Respiratory problems and other 
ailments in the 
world.oh 
really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the data 
ageadjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are 
included. This is theissue I have with you and others, you 
make what I feel are overly broadstatements as fact, 
without little or no support. So give mereference or 
two so I can draw my own conclusions.or how 
about just statistic at a time to discuss. How about 
ageadjusted cancer rates? (age adjusting is necessary as 
cancer isessentially inevitable, the longer you live the more 
likely you are toget 
cancer. show me the 
data 
please. 
On the other handthere is a valley in the middle of the 
Himalayan mountains called Hunzalandthat 
is an almost disease free 
area.I have heard this 
canard before. I googled hunzaland and about the onlything 
I got were people hawking their particular 
"cure" 
The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory 
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htmor how about 160+ year 
oldshttp://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htmdo 
really believe that? really, you don't think someone could be 
lessthan forthright to make a point about a product the 
promote?or maybe it's the magnetized 
waterhttp://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm 
A pure organic food diet and almost nopollution could be the 
reason for people having good 
health.or 
it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out 
betterdocumentation?--Bob 
Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob=The 
modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises 
inmoral philosophy; that is,the 
search for a superior moral justification for selfishness 
JKG   
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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia WasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
I grew up eating it - with raw egg and onion - I only eat grass-fed beef 
if any.

bob allen wrote:

In Montreal this summer I tried steak tartar, as it was on the menu in 
several resturants.  It was served as  a little volcano of ground beef, 
with a raw egg in the  cone. 

Mike Weaver wrote:
  

Actually, I hate milk and am very allergic to it.  I like cheese but 
rarely eat it.  In Europe I prefer raw sheep's milk.
I read anecdotally that that both raw (grass-fed) milk and beef are much 
better than cooked.  I don't eat much meat at all.
I sometimes buy sushi grade tuna and eat it raw to get my mercury 
allowance ;-)

D. Mindock wrote:

  


Hi Mike,
  I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
Harvard study would actually be better off.
 Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
Peace, D. Mindock


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
WasTestimonials as Evidence)


 

From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

  

Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
Other studies have found similar results.

It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

bob allen wrote:

   

  


Howdy Terry,

Terry Dyck wrote:


 


  

HI Bob,

The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
Diabetes,
Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.


   

  


oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
get cancer.


 show me the data please.






 


  

On the other hand
there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
Hunzaland
that is an almost disease free area.


   

  


I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

 The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

or how about 160+ year olds
http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

or maybe it's the magnetized water
http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm



 


  

A pure organic food diet and almost no
pollution could be the reason for people having good health.



   

  


or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
documentation?




 


  

--
Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
=
The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG

 


  

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[Biofuel] Scientists Find Farm Link To Breast Cancer

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_breast_cancer_and_farms.061012.htm

Toronto Globe and Mail, October 12, 2006

Scientists Find Farm Link To Breast Cancer

[Rachel's introduction: A new study from Canada links farm life to an 
increased likelihood of breast cancer.]

By Martin Mittelstaedt

A team of researchers who studied the occupations of nearly all the 
Windsor, Ontario women who developed breast cancer in a period from 
2000 to 2002 found they were about three times more likely to have 
worked on farms than women who didn't have the disease.

What's more, those who farmed and then later worked in the automotive 
industry were four times more likely to have the disease, according 
to a paper about the research being published Thursday in the Annals 
of the New York Academy of Sciences.

The new study is one of the most detailed investigations undertaken 
in Canada into the occupations of women who developed breast cancer, 
and it indicates that something about farming increases the risk of 
the disease, the most common cancer to afflict females in the country.

Although the researchers didn't determine what these risks were, they 
speculated about pesticides, many of which are able to mimic or block 
the normal functioning of estrogen and other hormones.

If you were going to hypothesize about the No. 1 most likely cause 
of this elevated risk, I think you'd have to look at the whole 
chemical exposure that exists on farms, said Jim Brophy, head of the 
Occupational Health Clinics for Ontario Workers in Sarnia, and lead 
author of the paper.

A staggering 99 per cent of all those treated for the disease at 
Windsor's cancer centre during the period of the research agreed to 
participate. Dr. Brophy said there was an enormous desire among 
women, who typically are not asked about the role their jobs may have 
played in their illness, to be part of a study that might help 
explain their cancer.

That desire has a resonance with Tricia Pletsch, who worked on her 
parent's farm near Chatham as a teenager and developed breast cancer 
two years ago, at 39. Her family doesn't have a history of the 
cancer, but she worries about the heavy chemical use on the farm 
while growing up.

Pesticides were really popular in the seventies, she said.

Like most women with breast cancer, her doctors never asked about her 
occupation when trying to explain her illness and were at a total 
loss to explain why she was afflicted.

No one asked me what I did, and when I asked them why I got it, no 
one had a clue, she said.

Scientists around the world are struggling to explain the recent 
epidemic of breast cancer in industrialized countries because fewer 
than 10 per cent of those with the disease have a known genetic 
predisposition for it.

Rates for the cancer in Canada are among the highest in the world, 
with the lifetime risk of about one in nine. During the past 30 
years, there has been a largely unexplained 25-per-cent increase in 
the country's age-adjusted incidence rate.

Previous research has found an association between breast cancer and 
a woman's socioeconomic status, diet, age of first pregnancy, and 
several other factors, but the majority of cases have no known risk 
factor.

It is also not known why women with higher socioeconomic status are 
more at risk, but Dr. Brophy says occupation should be investigated 
more closely because it might provide clues on cancer-causing 
substances and new prevention strategies.

If you would capture the lifetime [work] histories of people with 
cancer, it might be very revealing in terms of risk factors that 
we're not currently addressing. That could have an enormous 
preventative effect, Dr. Brophy said.

He said there has to be a major risk in farming to cause the research 
results. It's very dramatic, in the most common cancer among women 
where 50 per cent of the cases are unexplained, to have a three-fold 
excess, Dr. Brophy said.

In Canada, none of the provincial registries track cancers by 
occupation. About 22,000 women in Canada will develop breast cancer 
this year and an estimated 5,300 will die from it.

Up until now, little research on occupation and breast-cancer risk 
has been done in Canada, although researchers at the British Columbia 
Cancer Agency looked at work histories and the disease in 2000. They 
also found an association with agriculture, although they looked at 
far fewer women farmers than the current study, whose results were 
considered statistically significant.

An official with Canada's largest cancer registry says he thinks it 
would be a good idea to study the occupations of those with the 
disease, although he said this effort would require millions in 
funding and a political will to implement.

I certainly don't dispute that it's a neglected area, particularly 
with women coming into the work force and the nature of work 
changing, said Eric Holowaty, an epidemiologist at Cancer Care 
Ontario.

In Windsor, the researchers 

[Biofuel] Beyond Kyoto

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3585
Foreign Policy In Focus

Beyond Kyoto

Ruth Greenspan Bell | October 10, 2006

Editor: John Feffer, IRC


Foreign Policy In Focus
www.fpif.org

Hoff Stauffer should not be so apologetic and tenuous in his proposal 
for performance standards. If and when the world decides to become 
serious and really do something about global warming (and the 
considerable lag times normally encountered between decision and 
action suggest we are fast running out of time), I doubt the Kyoto 
Protocol will have anything to do with what emerges. Kyoto and its 
flexible mechanisms may represent an idealized vision of how 
pollution might be controlled in a perfect world, but the real world 
is far from meeting those conditions. The question we should be 
asking is: why would the world want to experiment with untried theory 
for this critical and time-sensitive problem?

As Stauffer notes, there is almost no experience with global cap and 
trade and no reason to believe it can work. Analysis coming out of 
India suggests that the Kyoto Protocol's Clean Development Mechanism 
(CDM) is already subject to manipulation and it is not possible to be 
confident that genuine carbon reductions are being achieved. There is 
some experience with taxation, but its success has been very 
site-specific: consider the fate of the gasoline tax in the United 
States compared with European efforts. No one promoting either the 
emission-trading or the carbon-tax solution has convincing answers to 
such concerns. Of course, it is indisputable that putting a price on 
something helps control behavior-look at what has happened as gas 
prices have shot up in the United States over the past year-but few 
domestic elected officials are brave enough to vote for a gas tax. 
Only a very grave sense of urgency might reverse this impasse.

The climate debate has been dominated thus far by a single-minded 
focus on efficiency as the most important criteria for a remedial 
program. No one disputes that money and resources should not be 
wasted, but the focus should be efficacy, experience, and 
practicality, with the hope that, when we find a system that can 
really work, we will be as efficient as possible under the 
circumstances. Efficiency has never been the sole driver of any 
environmental requirement. We need to get beyond arguing for and 
against market instruments and the spectacularly ill-labeled command 
and control and focus instead on devising a whole menu of solutions, 
flexibly keeping what works and abandoning what does not.

It is true that very little environmental regulation-neither market 
instruments nor performance standards-has worked in the developing 
world and many parts of the countries in economic and political 
transition. A serious effort would employ social science techniques 
to understand what approaches and arguments would be genuinely 
persuasive and effective in specific places like India and China, 
rather than continuing to have debates about theory. There is no 
reason why the architecture for addressing climate has to be 
consistent everywhere-only the commitment to making reductions and 
carrying through on that commitment need be part of a global plan.

Stauffer says it would be relatively easy to determine whether a coal 
plant has the required control technology. Experience shows that 
turn-key industrial plants are being built in China, but the 
operators save on running costs by turning off the pollution control 
equipment or only using it at their convenience. In Russia, we saw 
plants with the requisite air pollution control equipment but no one 
cleaned the bag house and thus the discharge was unabated. These are 
among the reasons why I am dubious about a faith in technology 
without at the same time changing the mind-sets of the people who run 
it. Incentives are complex things and they are different in different 
societies.

Stauffer is right to focus on new sources, particularly power plants. 
In the United States, industry has announced that approximately 20 
applications covering 28 units could be filed with the Nuclear 
Regulatory Commission in late 2007 and 2008.

But at the same time, utilities are planning many more coal-fired 
plants and doing little or nothing about conservation. In China, it 
is said that unrestrained coal-fired plants are going on line at the 
rate of one a month. An idea to address the U.S. problem would be a 
dual program to educate state utility commissioners (who mostly 
consider the short-term cost to the rate payers) and to fund 
rate-proceeding interventions state by state to advocate for 
conservation and sequestration.

Ruth Greenspan Bell is director of the International Institutional 
Development and Environmental Assistance program at Resources for the 
Future in Washington, DC.

For More Information

A New Standard for Preventing Global Warming
Hoff Stauffer | October 4, 2006
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3562


[Biofuel] Neocons: Regime Change or Bust

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3586
Right Web | Analysis

Neocons: Regime Change or Bust

Jim Lobe | October 11, 2006

IRC Right Web
rightweb.irc-online.org

Encouraging Japan to build nuclear weapons, shipping food aid via 
submarines, and running secret sabotage operations inside North 
Korea's borders are among a raft of policy prescriptions pushed by 
prominent U.S. neoconservatives in the wake of Pyongyang's nuclear 
test.

Writing in venues ranging from the National Review Online (NRO) to 
the New York Times, neoconservatives are claiming, contrary to 
lessons drawn by realist and other critics of the George W. Bush 
administration, that the nuclear test vindicates their long-held view 
that negotiations with rogue states like North Korea are useless 
and that regime change-by military means, if necessary-is the only 
answer.

With our intelligence on North Korea so uneven, the doctrine of 
preemption must return to the fore, wrote Dan Blumenthal, an Asia 
specialist at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) who worked for 
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld during Bush's first term, in the 
NRO (October 10, 2006). Any talk of renewed Six-Party Talks 
[involving China, Japan, Russia, the United States, and the two 
Koreas] must be resisted.

The North Korean test has stripped any plausibility to arguments 
that engaging dictators works, according to Michael Rubin, a Middle 
East specialist at AEI, who added that the Bush administration now 
faces a watershed in its relations with other states that have 
defied Washington in recent years.

This crisis is not just about North Korea, but about Iran, Syria, 
Venezuela, and Cuba as well, according to Rubin. Bush now has two 
choices: to respond forcefully and show that defiance has 
consequence, or affirm that defiance pays and that international will 
is illusionary.

[He] must now choose whether his legacy will be one of inaction or 
leadership, Chamberlain or Churchill, he added in a reference to the 
pre-World War II debate between the appeasement of British Prime 
Minister Neville Chamberlain and the war policy of his successor, 
Winston Churchill.

The neoconservatives' influence on the Bush administration has 
generally been on the wane since late 2003 when it became clear that 
the Iraq War, which neoconservatives had championed, was going badly. 
Nonetheless, neoconservatives retain some clout, particularly through 
the offices of Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon chief Rumsfeld.

They are opposed by the realists, who are concentrated in the State 
Department and also include former Secretary of State Colin Powell, 
his chief deputy Richard Armacost, and a number of top national 
security officials in the administration of former President George 
H.W. Bush, such as former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft 
and former Secretary of State James Baker.

The realists' stance is anathema to the neoconservatives and their 
right-wing allies, such as Cheney, who, at one National Security 
Council meeting on North Korea several years ago reportedly said, We 
don't negotiate with evil; we defeat it.

The neoconservatives' main area of concern has historically been the 
Middle East-indeed, their central focus in recent months has been 
publicizing the threats to the United States and Israel allegedly 
posed by Iran and Hezbollah and opposing any realist appeals to 
engage Tehran and Damascus in direct talks. But they have also been 
warning for some time against the appeasement of North Korea and 
its chief source of material aid and support, China.

In their view, Beijing has always had the power to force Pyongyang to 
give up its nuclear arms programs, and the fact that it has not done 
so supposedly demonstrates that China sees itself as a strategic 
rival of Washington, a phrase much favored by administration hawks 
during Bush's first year in office.

Indeed, in the most prominent neoconservative reaction to the North 
Korean test to date, in a New York Times column former Bush 
speechwriter David Frum called for the administration to take a 
series of measures designed to punish China for its failure to 
bring Pyongyang to heel. Frum, who is also based at AEI and is 
sometimes credited with inventing the phrase axis of evil for 
Bush's 2002 State of the Union address, urged the administration to 
cut off all humanitarian aid to North Korea, pressure South Korea to 
do the same, and thus force China to shoulder the cost of helping to 
avert North Korea's economic collapse (October 10, 2006).

Frum urged that Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and 
Singapore be invited to join NATO, and that Taiwan, which China 
regards as a renegade province, be invited to send observers to NATO 
meetings. He also suggested that Washington encourage Japan to 
renounce the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and create its own 
nuclear deterrent.

A nuclear Japan is the thing China and North Korea dread most 
(after, perhaps, a nuclear South 

[Biofuel] Profile: Progressive Policy Institute

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534
Right Web | Profile |

Progressive Policy Institute

Right Web News

last updated: September 8, 2006

Don't look now, but neoconservatism is making a comeback-and not 
among the Republicans who have made it famous, but in the Democratic 
Party, declared writer Jacob Heilbrunn in a May 28, 2006 op-ed for 
the Los Angeles Times. In Neocons in the Democratic Party, 
Heilbrunn argued that a new generation of Democratic pundits and 
young national security experts are trying to revive the Cold War 
precepts of President Harry S. Truman and apply them to the war on 
terror. The fledgling neocons of the left are based at places such 
as the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), whose president, Will 
Marshall, has just released a volume of doctrine called With All Our 
Might: A Progressive Strategy for Defeating Jihadism and Defending 
Liberty Š Their political champions include Connecticut Sen. Joseph 
Lieberman and such likely presidential candidates as former Virginia 
Gov. Mark Warner and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, who is chairman of the 
Democratic Leadership Council (DLC).

Concluded Heilbrunn: It is amusing to see that at the very moment 
when hawkish realists are trying to extirpate the neocon credo in the 
Republican Party, it's being revived in the Democratic Party that 
first brought it to life.

PPI, founded in 1989 by Marshall and Al From, is a project of the 
Third Way Foundation, a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization. As the 
think tank for the Democratic Leadership Council, the PPI says its 
mission arises from the belief that America is ill-served by an 
obsolete left-right debate that is out of step with the powerful 
forces reshaping our society and economy. PPI claims to advocate a 
philosophy that adapts the progressive tradition in American politics 
to the realities of the information age and points to a 'third way' 
beyond the liberal impulse to defend the bureaucratic status quo and 
the conservative bid to simply dismantle government.

Marshall and From have long advocated for a third way in the 
political debate that consists of free-market principles that largely 
echo the right-wing platform, making their organization's name 
misleading. Indeed, one of PPI's five strategies includes 
confronting global disorder by building enduring new international 
structures of economic and political freedom (PPI Overview, June 1, 
1998).

Marshall is president of the Third Way Foundation and of PPI, and 
 From is the foundation's chairman. Paul Weinstein is the institute's 
chief operating officer. In fiscal 2004, Third Way board members 
included Linda Peek Schacht, Charles Alston, William Budinger, 
William Galston, and Susan Hothem, according to the IRS Form 990 
provided at GuideStar.org. PPI staff includes Marshall, Steven Nider 
(expert in foreign and security studies), Michele Stockwell 
(education and social policy), David Kendall (health), Edward Gresser 
(trade), and Jan Mazurek (energy and environment). PPI senior fellows 
include Weinstein, Andrew Rotherham, Marshall Wittmann, and Fred 
Siegel. PPI operates on an annual budget approaching $3 million. 
Seymour Martin Lipset, a leading neoconservative political 
sociologist, is a former PPI board member, according to a 2002 report 
by Capital Research Center.

The core principles of the third way movement are set forth in the 
DLC/PPI's 1996 publication, The New Progressive Declaration: A 
Political Philosophy for the Information Age. As the New Democrats 
explain, the enduring progressive values must be adapted to the 
information age, which translates into policy recommendations that 
are very close to policies articulated by the administration of 
George W. Bush: uncompromising support for free market and free trade 
economics, a strong military with a global presence, an end to the 
politics of entitlement, rejection of affirmative action, and an 
embrace of competitive enterprise while at the same time rejecting a 
key role for government in development policy. Expressing the opinion 
of many progressive Democrats, Robert Kuttner, American Prospect 
editor, wrote that the political approach of the DLC amounts to 
splitting the difference with a Republican administration (American 
Prospect, July 7, 2002).

The PPI publishes reports and press releases that bolster DLC 
positions, including support for the invasion of Iraq and a more 
confrontational approach to relations with North Korea and Iran. 
Although the PPI largely reflects neoconservative positions on 
foreign and military policy, it has a more favorable view of 
multilateralism as a principle of foreign policy and rejects the 
argument that a missile defense system is necessary for U.S. national 
security (see, for example, Peter D. Zimmerman, Missile Defense and 
American Security: A Sensible National Policy, PPI Policy Report, 
May 1, 1996; and Steven J. Nider, A Third Way on Missile Defense, 
Blueprint Magazine, September 10, 2001).


[Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://eatthestate.org/11-03/CarbonFreeze.htm
(October 12, 2006)

Carbon Freeze?

Recently I've been reading Revenge of Gaia by James Lovelock. 
Though it sounds like a science fiction novel (and some will critique 
it that way), it is in fact an impassioned plea for recognizing the 
depth of the climate crisis and a call to action.

Gaia, or the notion of a living planet Earth, was proposed by 
Lovelock in the 1960s when he was a planet scientist for NASA looking 
at the inert atmosphere of Mars. It occurred to him that life itself 
on Earth was manipulating the atmosphere to its own benefit. While 
the Earth Science community has now recognized that our planet does 
indeed self-regulate its temperature and composition, it shies away 
from Lovelock's contention that there is an active, willful component 
to Gaia.

Now Lovelock is back, arguing that the regulating mechanisms are 
failing; in fact, that Gaia has a fever and is raising her 
temperature to get rid of us. As anthropomorphic as this notion is, 
Lovelock at 82 is no crackpot. I recently saw him at the University 
Bookstore, and he comes across as the genteel but sharp-witted 
English scientist that he is. As a fellow of the Royal Society, 
Britain's most prestigious science organization, he is on top of the 
latest climate science. And unlike most scientists, he feels that his 
objectivity is not compromised by speaking out.

Much of the science in the book is familiar: the hockey-stick-like 
rise in global temperatures in recent years, the dramatic loss of ice 
in Greenland and the Antarctic and Arctic, the melting permafrost, 
etc. But Lovelock adds some new twists and goes beyond the smooth and 
linear temperature increases that characterize the IPCC predictions. 
For Lovelock, discontinuities and tipping points in the form of 
sudden temperature rises will bring irreversible change and add up to 
a bleak future where humanity itself is threatened.

Lovelock advances the notion that the Earth is returning to a new hot 
state, about eight degrees Centigrade warmer, that will last a 
hundred thousand years or more. Such an episode did occur about 55 
million years ago, when massive methane releases overwhelmed the 
planet. As corroborating evidence that we could enter a new hot 
state, Lovelock points to his computer simulations that mimic algae 
growth in the oceans. According to his model, when carbon dioxide 
levels begin to exceed about 500 parts per million, the ocean algae 
with their ability to absorb carbon and promote cloud cover become 
extinct, leading to an abrupt jump in global temperature of around 
eight degrees. This sort of temperature jump would turn much of the 
planet into scrub and desert, which together with massive flooding 
would lead to a catastrophic die-off in the human population.

To be sure, these sorts of predictions are speculative at this stage. 
The new IPCC report is due out next year (and it is rumored to be 
frightening). But it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that 
letting carbon dioxide levels rise to 500 ppm would put the lives of 
billions of people at risk. (Note, according to Paul Roberts' The 
End of Oil, that even if we stabilized carbon emissions at current 
levels--a carbon freeze--we will reach 520 ppm by 2100. If we do 
nothing, we will hit 550 ppm by mid-century.)

Even if we have already passed a point of no return, Lovelock 
advocates replacing our fossil fuels as soon as possible to slow the 
temperature increases and to buy us more time. He proposes a range of 
alternative energies, including nuclear fission, until we can develop 
nuclear fusion, which is still decades away from feasibility, if at 
all.

Getting off of fossil fuels may be easier than Lovelock thinks. He 
seems to be unaware of peaking global oil supplies. Retired Princeton 
geology professor Ken Deffeyes is still sticking to his December 2005 
prediction for global peak oil. His new evidence? New data from the 
US Energy Information Administration that world crude oil production 
peaked at 85.1 million barrels a day last December and then declined 
to 84.3 million barrels this past June. 
(www.energybulletin.net/20518.html). A temporary downturn, perhaps. 
(Chris Skrebowski, editor of Petroleum Review, with his 
field-by-field analysis, still sticks to his 2010/2011 peak.)

Meanwhile knowledge of the coming energy crisis seems scant in 
Seattle. Portland and San Francisco city councils have already passed 
Peak Oil resolutions, setting up committees to study how their city 
will react and prepare for the coming high energy prices and 
shortages. Energy analyst Matt Simmons thinks the genie is now out of 
the bottle and peak oil and gas will dominate the 2008 election 
(www.energybulletin.net/21055.html).

Al Gore, well aware of the global warming/peak oil systems crisis, 
and who has done more than anyone recently to wake up lethargic 
Americans, is calling for an immediate carbon freeze, followed by 
steep 

[Biofuel] Some Chemicals Are More Harmful Than Anyone Ever Suspected

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_stop_the_killing.pt1.060921.htm

Rachel's Democracy  Health News #876, October 12, 2006

Some Chemicals Are More Harmful Than Anyone Ever Suspected

[Rachel's introduction: Evidence is piling up to show that many 
chemicals can cause serious illnesses, which then can be passed on to 
our children and grandchildren.]

By Peter Montague

New evidence is flooding in to suggest that many industrial chemicals 
are more dangerous than previously understood. During the 1990s, it 
came as a surprise that many industrial chemicals can interfere with 
the hormone systems of many species, including humans. Hormones are 
chemicals that circulate in the blood stream at very low levels 
(parts per billion, and in some cases parts per trillion), acting 
like switches, turning on and off bodily processes. From the moment 
of conception throughout the remainder of life, our growth, 
development and even many kinds of behavior are controlled by 
hormones.

Now new evidence is piling up to show that some of these 
hormone-related changes can be passed from one generation to the next 
by a mechanism that remains poorly understood, called epigenetics.

Until very recently scientists had thought that inherited traits 
always involved genetic mutations -- physical changes in the sequence 
of nucleotides that make up the DNA molecule itself. Now they know 
that there is a second genetic code that somehow influences the way 
genes operate, and that by some poorly-understood mechanism can be 
passed along to successive generations.

Medical scientists hope to take advantage of the new science of 
epigenetics to manipulate the behavior of genes for beneficial 
purposes. But the dark side of this new understanding is that stress, 
smoking, and pollution can cause epigenetic changes -- including many 
serious diseases like cancer and kidney disease -- that apparently 
can be passed along to one's children and even grandchildren. For 
example, Dutch women who went hungry during World War II gave birth 
to small babies. These babies, in turn, gave birth to small babies 
even though they themselves had plenty to eat. It changes the whole 
way we think about inheritance, says Dr. Moshe Szyf at McGill 
University in Toronto.

Just last month professor Michael Skinner at Washington State 
University in Spokane announced results of laboratory experiments 
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_cancer_toxin_connection.060915.h 
tm showing that environmental pollution could permanently reprogram 
the genetic traits of a family line of rodents, creating a legacy of 
sickness. This research highlights the long-term dangers from 
environmental pollution, professor Skinner said. Dr. Skinner showed 
that a single exposure to a toxic chemical in the womb could produce 
a sick litter of offspring, which in turn could produce its own sick 
offspring. It's a new way to think about disease, Dr. Skinner said.

A human analogy would be if your grandmother was exposed to an 
environmental toxicant during mid-gestation, you may develop a 
disease state even though you never had direct exposure, and you may 
pass it on to your great-grandchildren, Skinner said.

It introduces the concept of responsibility into genetics, says Dr. 
Szyf. As a recent story in the Toronto Globe  Mail 
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_code_2.060311.htm summarized, 
Epigenetics may revolutionize medicine, said Dr. Szyf, and it also 
could change the way we think about daily decisions like whether or 
not to order fries with a meal, or to go for a walk or to stay in 
front of the television. You aren't eating and exercising for 
yourself, but for your lineage.

On average, 1800 new chemicals are registered with the federal 
government each year and about 750 of these find their way into 
products, all with hardly any testing for health or environmental 
effects.

Brominated flame retardants, phthalates, bisphenol-A, PFOA (related 
to the manufacture of Teflon) are the toxins that have gained our 
attention at the moment. By working overtime for 10 or 15 years in 
the traditional environmentalist way, we may be able to ban a 
half-dozen of them. But during that 10 or 15 years, the chemical 
industry (and the federal EPA) will have introduced somewhere between 
7,000 and 10,000 new chemicals into commerce, almost entirely 
untested. This destructive merry-go-round is accelerating.

Faced with evidence of harm, governments tend to respond initially by 
conducting risk assessments to show there is no problem. The main 
function of risk assessment is to make chemical problems disappear, 
almost like magic. As EPA's first administrator, William Ruckelshaus, 
reminded us, We should remember that risk assessment data can be 
like the captured spy: If you torture it long enough, it will tell 
you anything you want to know.

So the bad news about chemical contamination is steadily mounting, 
while the number of new chemicals is steadily increasing. As 

[Biofuel] Paraquat and palm oil

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
See also:

Why paraquat should be banned Barbara Dinham of PAN UK, on behalf 
of the Pesticide Action Network explains why the risks associated 
with the continued use of paraquat are too high and cannot be 
justified. Reproduced from Outlooks on Pest Management (Volume 
15/No.6, 2004) with permission from Research Information Ltd. Website:
http://www.panap.net/uploads/media/paraquatdinham.pdf

Paraquat - Unacceptable Health Risks For Users

The use of paraquat has been a subject of controversy for at least 
two decades, especially regarding the safety of farmers and 
agricultural workers in developing countries. Both intentional and 
unintentional poisonings with paraquat, mainly among agricultural 
workers, farmers and inhabitants of rural areas, have led to serious 
concern among national health authorities, workers' unions and 
non-governmental organisations. A number of factors cause 
work-related (occupational) fatalities to be underestimated, and 
suicides over-represented. Acutely toxic pesticides are used in many 
countries under inadequate conditions and contribute considerably to 
ill health and unnecessary deaths, both among agricultural workers 
and the general public.

This report presents the findings by experts, national and 
international organisations on working conditions, effects on human 
health and the environment, reviews alternatives, and makes 
recommendations on measures to reduce these negative impacts.
http://www.panap.net/uploads/media/Paraquat_-_Unacceptable_Health_Risk 
s_to_Users_02.pdf

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http://www.panna.org/resources/documents/sygentaBackgrounder.dv.html
PANNA: Paraquat - A Dangerous Poison
Paraquat - A Dangerous Poison

Concerns over the hazards of paraquat have prompted many countries to 
ban this herbicide. Paraquat has been a subject of a campaign by PAN 
International for decades as one of the Dirty Dozen pesticides that 
must be eliminated worldwide. Agricultural workers unions across the 
world, spearheaded by the International Union of Food and 
Agricultural Workers, also have been calling for a ban on paraquat 
for years.

Farmers and agricultural workers exposed to paraquat during mixing 
and spraying often experience both immediate toxic effects and 
long-term health problems. Short-term health effects among paraquat 
users include eye injury, nosebleeds, irritation and burns to the 
skin and other parts of the body. Other symptoms of acute poisoning 
include nausea, vomiting or pains, and difficulty in breathing, and 
may develop with a delay of two to three days.

Chronic exposure to paraquat can affect the lungs, nervous system or 
brain, skin and reproduction with possible birth defects. 
Epidemiological studies link the long-term exposure to low doses of 
paraquat to decreases in lung capacity and the herbicide was 
associated with an increased risk for developing Parkinson's disease. 
Animal studies show that paraquat damages dopamine-producing brain 
cells; insufficient production of dopamine is known to be one of the 
major factors in the development of Parkinson's disease.

Syngenta - A Threat to Sustainable Palm Oil

Syngenta AG is applying for Ordinary Membership status within the 
Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil (RSPO), which would give it voting 
rights within the body. The RSPO is an association created by 
organizations involved with the global supply chain for palm oil. 
With requests for sustainably produced palm oil coming initially from 
big buyers in Europe , the RSPO's principal objective is development 
of a credible definition of sustainable palm oil production and 
implementation of practices that comply with this definition. (See 
http://www.sustainable-palmoil.org/)

Currently Syngenta is only an Affiliate member, a status that does 
not give them voting rights in RSPO processes. If Syngenta does gain 
voting rights, it will have greater ability to influence RSPO's 
processes. This attempt to become a voting member of the RSPO 
undermines the Roundtable's goal of promoting sustainable production 
of palm oil. Direct involvement in the RSPO of agro-chemical 
companies like Syngenta that produce and resist attempts to eliminate 
dangerous pesticides from global supply chains is a threat to 
workers' health and the environment. It would seriously undermine the 
credibility of RSPO in promoting sustainable palm oil production.

http://ga4.org/pesticideactionnet/alert-description.html?alert_id=3750539
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[Biofuel] Hunger Due to Injustice, Not Lack of Food

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35121

DEVELOPMENT:
Hunger Due to Injustice, Not Lack of Food
Tito Drago

MADRID, Oct 16 (IPS) - Millions of people die of hunger-related 
causes every year. However, that is not because of actual shortages 
of food, but is a result of social injustice and political, social 
and economic exclusion, argue non-governmental organisations that 
launched a campaign in Spain on World Food Day Monday.

Oct.16 was established as World Food Day in 1979 by the United 
Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), commemorating the 
agency's Oct. 16, 1945 founding date. Monday also marked the first 
day of Anti-Poverty Week, which will include events in Spain and 
around the world to raise awareness of the issue.

FAO's slogan for World Food Day this year is Invest in Agriculture 
for Food Security. But NGOs argue that the problem is not a lack of 
food production, but of the injustice surrounding access to and use 
of foods.

Theo Oberhuber, head of the Spanish environmental NGO Ecologists in 
Action (EEA), told IPS that enough food is produced in the world to 
cover the needs of everyone, so that no one would have to go hungry.

But, he added, there are two problems that stand in the way of this. 
The first is that a large part of all food, whether agricultural 
products or food obtained from oceans or rivers, goes towards feeding 
livestock whose meat and by-products are consumed mainly in the 
countries of the industrialised North.

The second, he said, is social injustice. In many countries, the 
majority of the population cannot afford food, not even food of 
lesser quality.

Olivier Longué, director general of Action Against Hunger in Spain, 
pointed out to IPS examples of lower-quality food: in Malawi and 
Guatemala, for instance, corn forms the basis of the subsistence 
diet, while in the Philippines the staples are corn, potatoes and 
plantains.

Action Against Hunger reported that every four seconds someone in the 
world dies of hunger-related diseases and that nearly one billion 
people suffer from hunger around the world.

The global NGO also noted that six million children a year die of 
hunger, which is responsible for half of all deaths of children under 
five. In addition, many children who survive hunger and malnutrition 
suffer disabilities for the rest of their lives.

The international NGOs Engineers Without Borders, Caritas and 
Veterinarians Without Borders, along with Prosalus, a Spanish 
organisation that promotes health care in Africa and Latin America, 
launched in Spain the campaign Derecho a la Alimentación: Urgente 
(Right to Food: Urgent), and presented a DVD Monday in which they 
state that food security cannot be achieved without support for 
agricultural development.

They note that FAO statistics show that more than 70 percent of the 
people suffering from hunger around the world live in rural areas, 
where they should be able to feed themselves through agriculture.

The campaign is demanding that governments recognise food security as 
a basic human right, and that they review their policies on the 
question and promote agricultural development in a framework of 
environmental sustainability.

But the EEA questions FAO's call to Invest in Agriculture for Food 
Security because of the growing influence of agribusiness and 
concentration of land.

The EEA stresses that more than 70 percent of the global pesticide 
market is in the hands of six giant agrochemical corporations, of 
which only three will be left within a few years.

The group adds that these companies control a large part of global 
seed sales in a lucrative captive market, by means of sales of 
genetically modified (GM) varieties that are resistant to the firms' 
own herbicides.

In addition, the offspring of some GM plants are sterile, which means 
they cannot be stored to grow future crops. Poor farmers thus become 
dependent on transnational companies, and are forced to buy new seeds 
every year.

The EEA also points out that the world's 10 biggest food companies 
account for one-quarter of all food produced worldwide, and 10 large 
chains account for one-quarter of all food sales.

As an example of the consequences of that policy, in Spain, farmers 
often receive only 25 percent of the end price, says the NGO.

If that is the situation in a developed European country, it's not 
difficult to imagine what happens in countries of the South, where 
the rural population lives in infrahuman conditions, said Oberhuber. 
(END/2006)


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[Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588
Right Web | Analysis |

The Blame Game

Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006

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Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in recent 
weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular 
message: Terrorists are still lethal, still desperately trying to 
hit us again, and Democrats are no good at security (Washington 
Post, October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party 
are again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are 
they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect 
the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their own 
security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton 
administration.

As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked the 
record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed 
chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a highly publicized 
September 24 interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused 
Wallace and Fox of undertaking a conservative hit job on his 
administration's national security record and of neglecting to 
adequately question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts.

Just as the former president thought it necessary to establish the 
political context for the debate over who bears responsibility for 
not preventing 9/11, it is also helpful to put the current 
fear-mongering campaign into recent historical context-especially 
since none of the pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism.

Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his 
administration for being supposedly weak on defense when several 
hawkish congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to 
revive Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's 
Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first 
Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the 
country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as a 
bottom-up review of defense needs and priorities, the assessment 
concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were 
neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered 
the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office, 
downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic Missile 
Defense Organization.

This outraged several hardline defense outfits like the Center for 
Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby 
led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their 
Republican allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby 
mobilized a coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign 
to boost support for a combination of national and regional missile 
defense systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were a 
number of other rightist policy outfits, including the American 
Conservative Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the Coalition to Protect 
Americans Now, and Americans for Missile Defense, which together 
represented a formidable coalition of social conservatives, 
neoconservatives, unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists.

The Coalition to Protect Americans Now revived Reagan's 
window-of-vulnerability claim in its demand to abolish arms control 
treaties and construct a defense system to protect our families from 
ballistic missile attack. It sponsored a website featuring a map of 
the United States where, by selecting a town's location, a reader 
could receive often misleading information about which countries had 
or soon supposedly would have the capability to strike it with an 
intercontinental missile.

Further enflaming the hardliners was a 1995 CIA National Intelligence 
Estimate (NIE) that asserted that apart from Russia or China, no 
rogue state could possibly pose a long-range missile threat to the 
United States before 2010. In response, congressional hawks, who 
after the 1996 elections controlled both houses of Congress, promoted 
a Team B-type evaluation of the NIE, resulting in the creation of a 
blue-ribbon panel known as the Gates Commission (after its chairman, 
former CIA Director Robert Gates). In its 1996 report, the commission 
concluded that the technical obstacles facing rogue states in 
developing intercontinental missile capability were even greater than 
those described by the CIA.

Unsatisfied with this outcome, the peace-through-strength lobby 
pushed their congressional allies to establish various independent 
commissions. Congressional figures affiliated with CSP successfully 
lobbied for the creation of two commissions, both to be headed by 
Donald Rumsfeld, to examine the ballistic missile threat and 
space-based defense capabilities. The unstated agenda of these 
commissions was to increase pressure on the Clinton administration to 
support new weapons programs and substantially increase major 
military spending. Both of the so-called 

[Biofuel] Afghanistan: Five Years Later

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3597
Foreign Policy In Focus
Afghanistan: Five Years Later

Stephen Zunes | October 13, 2006

Editor: John Feffer, IRC


Foreign Policy In Focus
www.fpif.org

On the fifth anniversary of the launch of the U.S.-led war against 
Afghanistan, the Taliban is on the offensive, much of the countryside 
is in the hands of warlords and opium magnates, U.S. casualties are 
mounting, and many, if not most, Afghans are actually worse off now 
than they were before the U.S. invasion.

UN figures place Afghan living standards as the worst in the world, 
outside of the poorest five countries of sub-Saharan Africa, with 
life expectancy of less than 45 years (compared with 70 years in 
neighboring Iran). The per capita gross domestic product (GDP) is 
under $200 (compared with $1650 in Iran). Fewer than three Afghans in 
10 are literate, and infant mortality is among the highest in the 
world. The economy is barely functioning, with the country's 24 
million people dependent on foreign aid, the opium trade, and 
remittances from the five million Afghans living abroad.

The U.S.-backed government of President Hamid Karzai has little 
credibility within the country. Afghans routinely refer to him as 
the mayor of Kabul, since his authority doesn't extend much beyond 
the capital city, or more derisively as the assistant to the 
American ambassador, given his lack of real authority relative to 
U.S. occupation forces. Historically, Afghans respect strong leaders 
who can at minimum deliver some degree of security and occasional 
economic favors. Karzai has thus far been unable to provide either to 
the vast majority of his country's people.

The U.S.-managed presidential elections in 2004 and parliamentary 
elections last year-organized with very little input from the Afghan 
people regarding structure or scheduling-were riddled with fraud, 
including stuffed ballot boxes, vote-buying, intimidation, and 
multiple voting. U.S. officials actively pressured a number of 
prominent presidential candidates to drop out of the race to help 
ensure Karzai's election. Even if the results of the elections were 
broadly representative of public sentiment, unelected warlords in the 
provinces make the majority of political decisions that affect 
people's daily lives.

Barnett Rubin, America's foremost scholar on Afghanistan, described 
the country as not having functioning state institutions. It has no 
genuine army or effective police. Its ramshackle provincial 
administration is barely in contact with, let alone obedient to, the 
central government. Most of the country's meager tax revenue has been 
illegally taken over by local officials who are little more than 
warlords with official titles. According to Rubin, the goal of U.S. 
policy in Afghanistan was not to set up a better regime for the 
Afghan people, but to recruit and strengthen warlords in its fight 
against al-Qaida.

While women are now allowed to go to school and leave the house 
unaccompanied by a close male relative-rights denied to them under 
the Taliban-most women in large parts of Afghanistan are afraid to do 
so out of fear of kidnapping and rape. Human Rights Watch reports 
that, despite the ouster of the misogynist Taliban, Violence against 
women and girls remains rampant.

The security situation in the countryside is so bad that groups like 
Medecins Sans Frontieres-which stayed in Afghanistan throughout the 
Soviet war and occupation of the 1980s, the civil war and chaos of 
the early to mid-1990s, and the brutal repression of the Taliban 
through 2001-have completely withdrawn from the country.

Yet the Bush administration continues to be in denial about the 
worsening situation in Afghanistan. President Bush recently declared 
that Afghanistan was doing so well that it was inspiring others Š to 
demand their freedom. And Vice President Cheney has referred to the 
rapidly deteriorating Afghan republic as a rising nation. Secretary 
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld earlier described the new Afghanistan as 
a breathtaking accomplishment and a successful model.

Amnesty International reports, however, that during the past year, 
The government and its international partners remained incapable of 
providing security to the people of Afghanistan. Absence of rule of 
law, and a barely functional criminal justice system, left many 
victims of human rights violations, especially women, without 
redress. Over 1,000 civilians were killed in attacks by U.S. and 
Coalition forces and by armed groups. U.S. forces continue to carry 
out arbitrary arrests and indefinite detentions.

The Bush administration has not taken kindly to reports of abuse of 
prisoners and other violations of international humanitarian law. 
Last year, angry anti-American demonstrations in Afghan cities 
protesting abuses of Afghan prisoners by American jailers resulted in 
U.S.-commanded Afghan police shooting into crowds, leaving 16 dead. 
Following a Newsweek report of 

[Biofuel] Washington State University Finds Toxin, Cancer Link

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_cancer_toxin_connection.060915.htm

Spokesman Review (Spokane, Wash.), September 15, 2006

Washington State University Finds Toxin, Cancer Link

Study finds link during pregnancy

[Rachel's introduction: Pregnant rats were exposed to high levels of 
a fungicide commonly used in vineyards. In male offspring and three 
subsequent male generations of the rats, 85 percent of the animals 
developed cancer, prostate disease, kidney disease, premature aging 
or other problems.]

By Shawn Vestal

New research by Washington State University scientists suggests that 
a single exposure to environmental toxins during pregnancy can cause 
cancer, kidney disease and other illnesses for future generations.

The research, led by WSU professor Michael Skinner, suggests that 
environmental pollution could permanently reprogram genetic traits in 
a family line, creating a legacy of sickness. It follows previous 
studies in Skinner's lab that showed similar long-term effects from 
toxins on the reproductive systems of successive generations.

It's a new way to think about disease, Skinner said in a WSU news 
release. If this pans out, it gives us a host of new diagnostic and 
therapeutic tools.

It also provides possible explanations for increases in some 
diseases, as well as spikes in illness that are tied to a 
geographical region. And it highlights the potential long-term 
dangers from environmental pollution, said Skinner, the director of 
WSU's Center for Reproductive Biology.

In the research, pregnant rats were exposed to high levels of a 
fungicide commonly used in vineyards. In male offspring and three 
subsequent male generations of the rats, 85 percent of the animals 
developed cancer, prostate disease, kidney disease, premature aging 
or other problems. Most of the rats developed more than one illness.

The research was published in two papers Thursday in the journal Endocrinology.

Skinner's lab has been working on the question of epigenetic 
inheritance for years, and published research last year that showed 
toxic exposure during embryonic development could hurt fertility over 
several generations. Epigenetic inheritance involves chemical 
modifications in the operation of genes from parent to offspring - 
changes in which the DNA itself isn't modified, but the way the genes 
turn off and turn on is affected, WSU said.

The new research suggests an environmental toxin can permanently 
reprogram an inheritable trait.

Skinner and a team of WSU researchers exposed pregnant rats to the 
fungicide vinclozolin during a period when the sex of the rats' 
offspring was being determined. It's a state of development when 
embryos are susceptible to genetic reprogramming, WSU said in its 
news release.

The rats were exposed to higher levels of the toxin than are normally 
present in the environment, and more research is needed to see if 
lower levels show the same effects.

Pregnant rats exposed to the toxin produced male offspring with low 
sperm counts and high rates of disease. When those rats mated with 
females that weren't exposed to the fungicide, their male offspring 
had the same problems -- a situation that persisted through four 
generations.

A human analogy would be if your grandmother was exposed to an 
environmental toxicant during mid-gestation, you may develop a 
disease state even though you never had direct exposure, and you may 
pass it on to your great-grandchildren, Skinner said.

Skinner said the findings might be applicable to the study of breast 
cancer and prostate disease, which are increasing faster than would 
be expected from genetic changes alone.


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[Biofuel] A New Standard for Preventing Global Warming

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3562
Foreign Policy In Focus
A New Standard for Preventing Global Warming

Hoff Stauffer | October 4, 2006

Editor: John Feffer, IRC


Foreign Policy In Focus
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The debate in the United States on global climate change is shifting 
from whether to do something about the problem to what to do.1 
Prudent people do not want to risk unacceptable adverse economic 
impacts, even if they are extremely concerned about global climate 
change. On the other side, equally prudent people do not want to risk 
accomplishing too little. The debate is stymied, even though several 
bills on global warming have been introduced into Congress. There 
will be no climate change legislation coming out of my committee this 
year, Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM) recently announced. Frankly, I 
don't know how to write it, and I don't think anybody does.2

The conventional wisdom focuses on cap and trade, also known as 
tradable emissions permits. This system sets a cap on total 
emissions, distributes by allocation or auction to market 
participants emission allowances (or tradable permits) equal to the 
cap, and then requires participants to have an allowance for every 
unit of pollutant they emit. Participants must buy allowances if they 
don't have enough, and they may sell them if they have more than they 
need. The Kyoto protocol, for instance, has instituted a 
cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases (GHGs), and the system has 
been successfully used for reducing sulfur dioxide emissions from 
existing power plants in the United States.

But this conventional focus on cap and trade is inhibiting progress 
on combating global warming. The inherent problems with the approach 
are too formidable. I t is extremely difficult to figure out the 
economic and environmental effects of an economy-wide cap-and-trade 
system for GHGs. To avoid negative economic impact, most such 
cap-and-trade proposals are extremely modest and thus would likely 
accomplish very little. Also, cap and trade would not work well on a 
global basis.

Given the irreconcilable problems with cap and trade, we need to 
transcend the conventional wisdom and shift the debate to a more 
viable strategy. In FPIF's strategic dialogue on this issue, William 
Nordhaus has reached the same conclusion.3 So has Larry Lohmann, 
though for somewhat different reasons.4

A more viable strategy relies on performance standards for new 
sources of GHG emissions. These standards would strictly regulate the 
pollutants from direct sources of emissions such as power plants and 
autos. They would also mandate greater efficiency for new capital 
such as appliances and buildings that rely on fossil fuel combustion 
for the generation of electricity, heating, and cooling.

Standards have been out of favor in recent years because they are not 
market based. But cap and trade is not purely market-based; it 
requires a great deal of government intervention. Also, the market 
plays a very large role in meeting standards most cost-effectively. 
This debate on government versus market, however, is largely beside 
the point. Performance standards on new sources have proven 
effective, as demonstrated by the success of the standards on 
chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) introduced in the 1980s that reversed the 
depletion of the earth's ozone layer.

Performance standards on new sources-first in the United States and 
then globally-can eliminate the huge projected increase in global 
carbon dioxide (CO2)5 emissions by 2050, since new sources are 
increasingly responsible for global emissions.Also, performance 
standards could be supplemented by a more narrowly focused 
cap-and-trade program on existing power plants, which would further 
reduce global emissions. After 2050, perhaps supplemented by cap and 
trade (or an equivalent carbon tax), performance standards could 
reduce carbon emissions still further by continuing to drive and 
leverage ongoing technological advances.

Unlike cap and trade, it is relatively easy to predict the 
environmental and economic effects of performance standards. Relying 
on standards would allow substantial progress toward reducing GHGs 
without unacceptable adverse economic consequences. Finally, 
performance standards can be more easily applied on a global basis.

Unfortunately, the current administration has done very little to 
address global warming. The proponents of meaningful action have 
focused on cap-and-trade proposals, which are stalled in Congress. 
Performance standards can break this deadlock.

Why Not Cap and Trade?

A cap-and-trade system has the theoretical advantage of reducing 
pollutants most efficiently. Such a system has worked very well in 
reducing sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide pollution from existing 
power plants in the United States.6 However, just because a 
cap-and-trade system worked well in the relatively narrow context of 
existing power plants does not mean that it can work well for 

Re: [Biofuel] Is there any diesel powered bicycles?

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello all,

Does anyone know of any diesel powered bicycles?  Any motors you 
know of that could be used for a bicycle?  I am interested in a 
motor from 1-2 horsepower.

Diesels are heavy motors, because of the high compression.

Yanmar air-cooled diesel engines, L-A Series, seven models from 
2.5-7.4kW (3.4-10hp)
2Mb pdf:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/yanmar.pdf

Even the little one weight 26 kg.

HTH.

Best

Keith


Thanks for any help,

IBB




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[Biofuel] A New Kind of Neocon?

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3584
Right Web | Analysis

A New Kind of Neocon?

Leon Hadar | October 10, 2006

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Nikolas Gvosdev, editor of the National Interest, a foreign policy 
magazine affiliated with the Nixon Center in Washington, DC, has 
recently been trying to revitalize the stale discourse on U.S. global 
strategy in the capital of the world's only remaining superpower. 
Gvosdev, whose magazine has been shaken up by post-Iraq invasion 
ideological disputes (leading to the departure from its editorial 
board of neoconservative Charles Krauthammer, as well as ex-neocon 
Francis Fukuyama), has been holding gatherings that bring together 
realist and internationalist critics of President George W. Bush's 
foreign policy agenda to discuss alternative approaches to the Bush 
administration's neoconservative hegemonic strategy.

In late September, the National Interest convened a meeting to 
consider What a Post-Bush Foreign Policy Might Look Like. Gvosdev 
invited two foreign policy experts, one a Republican and one a 
Democrat, to predict how an administration of, say, Sen. John McCain 
(R-AZ) or Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) would change U.S. global 
strategy, and in particular, whether they would reverse current 
policies. The conventional wisdom in Washington is that a Republican 
president like McCain might embrace a Bush lite approach (that's 
the best-case scenario-some say a Republican super-hawk would try to 
out-neoconize Bush), and a Democrat like Senator Clinton would 
adopt more sensible and internationalist diplomacy, à la Bill Clinton.

To the surprise of some of those attending the National Interest 
event, it was the speaker representing the Democratic perspective, 
Will Marshall, president and founder of the Progressive Policy 
Institute, who ended up out-neoconizing Bush. Republican Stefan 
Halper, former official in the Reagan and Bush Senior administrations 
and a fellow at the Centre of International Studies at Cambridge 
University, presented a devastating critique of the foreign policy of 
Bush Junior.

That a Republican conservative was urging a more realistic and less 
interventionist foreign policy and a Democratic liberal was 
advocating a hegemonic global strategy aimed at strengthening 
American military presence abroad as well as at promoting democracy 
worldwide should not shock anyone familiar with the history of U.S. 
politics and foreign policy. Indeed, as Halper has noted in a book he 
coauthored with Jonathan Clarke, America Alone: The Neo-Conservatives 
and the Global Order (2004), many of the neoconservatives who joined 
the Republican Party at the height of the Cold War had been hawkish 
liberal Democrats critical of their party for abandoning the 
interventionist and militarized policies pursued by Franklin 
Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Lyndon Johnson and for adopting an 
isolationist agenda. The neoconservatives accused George McGovern 
and his supporters of hijacking the Democratic Party's foreign 
policy and of appeasing the Soviet bloc.

Yet the neoconservatives were also very critical of the Realpolitik 
approach pursued by the Nixon-Kissinger team that created the 
conditions for détente and arms control agreements with the Soviets 
and the opening toward China. And moreover, even under Presidents 
Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush-when such figures as Richard 
Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and I. Lewis Libby served in top foreign and 
defense policy jobs-neoconservatives opposed policies that they 
considered contrary to their staunchly pro-Israel ideas. Such 
policies included Reagan's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from 
Lebanon or Bush Senior's pressure on Israel to end its settlement 
policies and negotiate with the Palestinians.

The foreign policy principles espoused by 
neoconservatives-unilateralist military intervention aimed at 
establishing U.S. global hegemony, a messianic Wilsonian agenda of 
spreading democracy worldwide, and a radical pro-Likud Zionist 
stance-run very contrary to the cautious pursuit of U.S. interests 
traditionally reflected by conservative and realist Republican 
foreign policy. Republican and conservative critics of the 
neoconservatives felt the need to reassess their union with the 
neoconservatives, which had made sense during the ideological and 
strategic conflicts with the Communists during the Cold War, but 
whose impact on U.S. foreign policy, the Republican Party, and the 
conservative movement proved to be disastrous after 9/11.

Critics like Halper argue that neoconservatives seized the Republican 
Party's diplomatic and national security agenda after 9/11 and 
persuaded Bush and his advisers to adopt their approach in the Middle 
East as part of an effort to establish U.S. hegemony and 
American-style democracy in the region, while also trying to advance 
Israel's interests there. But if anything, the Iraq misadventure has 
demonstrated the limitations of American power, 

[Biofuel] Ecological and Social Impacts of Fast Growing Timber Plantations and Genetically Engineered Trees

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://globaljusticeecology.org/index.php?name=getreesID=404
Global Justice Ecology Project: GlobalJusticeEcology.org , Hinesburg, VT

Ecological and Social Impacts of Fast Growing Timber Plantations and 
Genetically Engineered Trees

(Manuscript to be presented at IUFRO conference.)

[Dr. Neil Carman, Sierra Club; Orin Langelle, STOP GE Trees Campaign; 
Alyx Perry, Southern Forests Network; Anne Petermann, Global Justice 
Ecology Project; Danna Smith, Esq., Dogwood Alliance; Brian Tokar, 
Institute for Social Ecology Biotechnology Project;]

Abstract: Plantations, as distinct from forests, are uniform 
agroecosystems that substitute for natural ecosystems and their 
biodiversity. As such, plantations are frequently associated with 
negative environmental and social impacts: decrease in water 
availability, modifications in the structure and composition of 
soils, depletion of biological diversity, encroachment on indigenous 
peoples' communities, agricultural lands and forests, and eviction of 
peasants and indigenous peoples from their lands with loss of 
livelihoods.

---

Around the world people are rising up in opposition to the spread of 
industrial monoculture tree plantations. In the Southern US, millions 
of acres of natural forests and wetlands have been converted to 
industrial tree plantations igniting concern among rural families, 
hunters, scientists, conservation groups, and even large businesses. 
In Brazil, plantations are called green deserts, because they 
destroy biological diversity. In South Africa they are known as 
green cancer, because of the tendency of the non-native eucalyptus 
trees to escape the plantations, spread wildly into other areas and 
wreak ecological havoc, and in Chile plantations are green 
soldiers, because they stand in straight lines and are steadily and 
destructively advancing.

The establishment of industrial tree plantations has devastated the 
environment and local communities around the world. Problems 
associated with industrial tree plantations extend well beyond loss 
of biodiversity to include socio-economic issues related to flooding, 
spraying of toxic chemical fertilizers and herbicides in communities, 
poverty, land ownership and human rights. Not only have industrial 
tree plantations replaced some of the world's most diverse forests, 
they have also been the source of social and economic stress in human 
communities ranging from indigenous cultures in developing countries 
to rural families living in the developed world.

The spread of plantations has been driven by large producers of paper 
and wood products. Industrial tree plantations are managed 
intensively with chemical herbicides and fertilizers to accelerate 
growth rates for maximum production efficiency. To further this 
process, research and development of genetically engineered (GE) 
trees is underway and despite uncertainties regarding the impacts, 
industry appears to be gearing up for the widespread, industrial 
scale development of GE tree plantations. While these practices may 
perhaps increase profits for wood and paper products firms, the high 
economic, ecological and social costs associated with industrial tree 
plantations are paid by those living in and around large-scale 
plantations and by society at large. Despite industry claims to the 
contrary, the current industrial model of plantation forestry is 
neither economically, socially nor ecologically sustainable. 
Practices such as the continued conversion of natural forests to 
plantations, the routine use of toxic chemicals and the introduction 
of GE trees must be stopped in favor of forestry practices that 
sustain important ecological functions and local communities. 
Forestry can and should be practiced responsibly.

The Southern U.S.

Indisputably the most diverse forests in North America, the temperate 
forests of the Southern US are recognized by biologists worldwide for 
their biological richness. Beyond biological diversity, forests in 
the region help sequester carbon and therefore play a vital role in 
mitigating global warming. (Songhen and Brown) Besides helping to 
moderate the Earth's climate, Southern forests help protect drinking 
water in the most populated region of the US. (US Census Data) 
Despite their obvious ecological importance, less than 2% of the 
forests in the South are characterized as strictly or moderately 
protected. (Conservation Biology Institute)

The Southern US is currently the largest wood producing region in the 
world. (USFS, SFRA 2002) The large-scale production paper and wood 
products has led to the extensive conversion of natural forests to 
plantations that are dependent on the routine use of chemical 
fertilizers and herbicides. Forest trends in the Southern US 
contradict industry claims that plantations relieve pressure on 
natural forests and positively influence the economic well-being of 
rural communites.

* In the 1980s and 1990s, nine million acres of the 

Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
has honed in on

HOMED!!!


Can't anyone write anymore???

-Miss Grundy

Keith Addison wrote:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588
Right Web | Analysis |

The Blame Game

Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006

IRC Right Web
rightweb.irc-online.org

Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in recent 
weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular 
message: Terrorists are still lethal, still desperately trying to 
hit us again, and Democrats are no good at security (Washington 
Post, October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party 
are again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are 
they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect 
the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their own 
security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton 
administration.

As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked the 
record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed 
chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a highly publicized 
September 24 interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused 
Wallace and Fox of undertaking a conservative hit job on his 
administration's national security record and of neglecting to 
adequately question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts.

Just as the former president thought it necessary to establish the 
political context for the debate over who bears responsibility for 
not preventing 9/11, it is also helpful to put the current 
fear-mongering campaign into recent historical context-especially 
since none of the pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism.

Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his 
administration for being supposedly weak on defense when several 
hawkish congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to 
revive Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's 
Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first 
Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the 
country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as a 
bottom-up review of defense needs and priorities, the assessment 
concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were 
neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered 
the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office, 
downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic Missile 
Defense Organization.

This outraged several hardline defense outfits like the Center for 
Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby 
led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their 
Republican allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby 
mobilized a coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign 
to boost support for a combination of national and regional missile 
defense systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were a 
number of other rightist policy outfits, including the American 
Conservative Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the Coalition to Protect 
Americans Now, and Americans for Missile Defense, which together 
represented a formidable coalition of social conservatives, 
neoconservatives, unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists.

The Coalition to Protect Americans Now revived Reagan's 
window-of-vulnerability claim in its demand to abolish arms control 
treaties and construct a defense system to protect our families from 
ballistic missile attack. It sponsored a website featuring a map of 
the United States where, by selecting a town's location, a reader 
could receive often misleading information about which countries had 
or soon supposedly would have the capability to strike it with an 
intercontinental missile.

Further enflaming the hardliners was a 1995 CIA National Intelligence 
Estimate (NIE) that asserted that apart from Russia or China, no 
rogue state could possibly pose a long-range missile threat to the 
United States before 2010. In response, congressional hawks, who 
after the 1996 elections controlled both houses of Congress, promoted 
a Team B-type evaluation of the NIE, resulting in the creation of a 
blue-ribbon panel known as the Gates Commission (after its chairman, 
former CIA Director Robert Gates). In its 1996 report, the commission 
concluded that the technical obstacles facing rogue states in 
developing intercontinental missile capability were even greater than 
those described by the CIA.

Unsatisfied with this outcome, the peace-through-strength lobby 
pushed their congressional allies to establish various independent 
commissions. Congressional figures affiliated with CSP successfully 
lobbied for the creation of two commissions, both to be headed by 
Donald Rumsfeld, to examine the ballistic missile threat and 
space-based defense capabilities. The unstated agenda of these 
commissions was to increase pressure on the Clinton administration to 
support new 

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread bob allen
Howdy Mike,

MK DuPree wrote:
 Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk

actually the lipid portion of milk,

whipped up into incredibly small
 particles 

yes
that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries,

no
 thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the 
 linings? 

no

Whether or not it does, I say soy milk.  I know I
 know...tastes terrible, to some.  But I only use it on cereals and a 
 couple of desserts.  Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, 
 waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
 etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if 
 you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting!  Yeah, I'm closed 
 minded on this one!!  LOL Mike DuPree
  
 - Original Message -
 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as 
 AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
 
   Hi Mike,
 I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
   milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
   to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
   Harvard study would actually be better off.
Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
   Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
   drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
   Peace, D. Mindock
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
   Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia
   WasTestimonials as Evidence)
  
  
   From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.
  
   Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.
  
   It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
   in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
   disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
   adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
   diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
   along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
   pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.
  
   Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:
  
   In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
   actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
   in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
   nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
   at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
   drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
   http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
   Other studies have found similar results.
  
   It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
   they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.
  
   bob allen wrote:
  
  Howdy Terry,
  
  Terry Dyck wrote:
  
  
  HI Bob,
  
  The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease,
  Diabetes,
  Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.
  
  
  
  oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
  adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is the
  issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
  statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
  reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.
  
  or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
  adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
  essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
  get cancer.
  
  
 show me the data please.
  
  
  
  
  
  
On the other hand
  there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called
  Hunzaland
  that is an almost disease free area.
  
  
  I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
  thing I got were people hawking their particular cure
  
 The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm
  
  or how about 160+ year olds
  http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm
  
  do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
  than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?
  
  or maybe it's the magnetized water
  http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm
  
  
  
   A pure organic food diet and almost no
  pollution could be the reason for people having good health.
  
  
  
  or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
  documentation?
  
  
  
  
  --
  Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
  

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Thomas Kelly



Mike,
You wrote:
 "Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, 
waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
etc...hey...distilledperiod..."

 Please, no. 


 This goes back many 
years, butI heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of 
Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or 
worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His 
conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and 
then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular disease 
in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a decrease in 
cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to hard water. 
(Zinc may have been the key element.)
 I believe 
that this is why cold water lines for drinking and food 
prep .. bypass water softeners when the water softeners are 
properly installed.
 There has 
been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and processing 
that compromises the healthfulness of our food. 
Please consider the water you drink as 
well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is your 
best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural state. I 
know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that soften their water, 
add something to restore the minerals.
 
Wishing you good health,
 
Tom

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  MK 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:39 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
  (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
  
  Hi D and Mike...isn't 
  homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar 
  the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to 
  more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy 
  milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it 
  on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuffto be 
  drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals 
  etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you 
  can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on 
  this one!! LOL Mike DuPree
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: "D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
  Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
  Evidence)
   Hi Mike, I think Weston 
  Price would say to drink raw milk. When milk is pastuerized and 
  homogenized, it becomes harmful to the body. So those drinking less of 
  the bad milk in the Harvard study would actually be better 
  off. Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and 
  organic. Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the 
  Hunzas drink their milk cultured, not straight up. Peace, D. 
  Mindock   - Original Message -  From: 
  "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: 
  Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia  
  WasTestimonials as Evidence)   From the 
  can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. Caveat: No 
  proof other than what I've read over the years. It has 
  always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are 
  in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third 
  world, disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of 
  food and adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we 
  suffer from the diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the 
  one that comes to mind, along with obesity-related ailments such 
  as heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes and so on. 
  Smoking is another factor. Another interesting item, 
  from Harvard University's website: In particular, 
  these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't actually 
  appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example, in 
  the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female 
  nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week 
  were at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were 
  those who drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3 
  http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references) Other studies have found similar 
  results. It is odd human beings are the only animal 
  that develop "a disease" if they don't eat the milk of another 
  species. Dogs don't need cat milk. bob allen 
  wrote:Howdy 
  Terry,Terry Dyck 
  wrote:HI 
  Bob,The Western world has the highest 
  rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
  Diabetes,Respiratory problems and 
  other ailments in the 
  world.oh 
  really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the data 
  ageadjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are 
  included. This is theissue 

Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread MK DuPree



Well...whether he homed or 
honed it, according to this articleCheney hasbeen focusing on a 
message that betrays the historical work of his party, or at least certain 
members of his party. Thanks Keith.
Now, according to my Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh 
Edition:
"honed": to make more acute, intense, or 
effective; and
 
"homed": to proceed or direct attention toward an objective.
 
Given the context in which the word in the article is used, I vote for "honed." 
However, from the article itappearsthe present administration has 
honed its' public policy abilities and homed in hard on my country's pocketbook 
for spending on stuff thatbenefits a few at the expense of many...as 
usual. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:44 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame 
Game
 "has honed in on"  
HOMED!!!   Can't anyone write anymore??? 
 -Miss Grundy  Keith Addison wrote: 
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588Right Web | 
Analysis |The Blame GameTom 
Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006IRC Right 
Webrightweb.irc-online.orgStumping for 
Republican candidates across the country in recent weeks, Vice 
President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular message: 
Terrorists are "still lethal, still desperately trying to hit us 
again," and Democrats are no good at security (Washington Post, 
October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party are 
again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are 
they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to 
protect the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish 
their own security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton 
administration.As part of this campaign, 
conservative pundits have attacked the record of former President 
Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed chances to destroy terrorist 
networks. During a highly publicized September 24 interview with Fox 
News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused Wallace and Fox of undertaking 
a "conservative hit job" on his administration's national security 
record and of neglecting to adequately question President George W. 
Bush's antiterrorism efforts.Just as the former 
president thought it necessary to establish the political context 
for the debate over who bears responsibility for not preventing 
9/11, it is also helpful to put the current fear-mongering campaign 
into recent historical context-especially since none of the pre-9/11 
efforts had anything to do with terrorism.Early in his 
first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his administration 
for being supposedly weak on defense when several hawkish 
congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to revive 
Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's 
Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first 
Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the 
country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as 
a "bottom-up review" of defense needs and priorities, the assessment 
concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were 
neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin 
ordered the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative 
Office, downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic 
Missile Defense Organization.This outraged 
several hardline defense outfits like the Center for Security Policy 
(CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby led by 
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their Republican 
allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby mobilized a 
coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign to boost 
support for a combination of national and regional missile defense 
systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were a number of 
other rightist policy outfits, including the American Conservative 
Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the Coalition to Protect Americans 
Now, and Americans for Missile Defense, which together represented a 
formidable coalition of social conservatives, neoconservatives, 
unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists.The 
Coalition to Protect Americans Now revived Reagan's 
window-of-vulnerability claim in its demand to abolish arms control 
treaties and construct a defense system to "protect our families 
from ballistic missile attack." It sponsored a website featuring a 
map of the United States where, by selecting a town's location, a 
reader could receive often misleading information about which 
countries had or soon supposedly would have the capability to strike 
it with an intercontinental missile.Further 
enflaming the hardliners was a 1995 CIA National Intelligence 
Estimate (NIE) that asserted that apart from Russia or China, no 
rogue state could possibly pose a long-range missile threat to the 
United States before 2010. In response, congressional hawks, who 
after the 1996 

Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
1.  That's not a real dictionary.
2.  It wasn't honed as in he honed his argument, it was honed in.  
He meant homed in on.

-Miss Grundy

MK DuPree wrote:

 Well...whether he homed or honed it, according to this article Cheney 
 has been focusing on a message that betrays the historical work of his 
 party, or at least certain members of his party.  Thanks Keith.
  Now, according to my _Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 
 Eleventh Edition_:
  honed: to make more acute, intense, or effective; and
  homed: to proceed or direct attention toward an objective.
  Given the context in which the word in the article is used, I 
 vote for honed. However, from the article it appears the present 
 administration has honed its' public policy abilities and homed in 
 hard on my country's pocketbook for spending on stuff that benefits a 
 few at the expense of many...as usual. 
   
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

  has honed in on
 
  HOMED!!!
 
 
  Can't anyone write anymore???
 
  -Miss Grundy
 
  Keith Addison wrote:
 
 http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588
 Right Web | Analysis |
 
 The Blame Game
 
 Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006
 
 IRC Right Web
 rightweb.irc-online.org
 
 Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in recent
 weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular
 message: Terrorists are still lethal, still desperately trying to
 hit us again, and Democrats are no good at security (Washington
 Post, October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party
 are again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are
 they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect
 the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their own
 security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton
 administration.
 
 As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked the
 record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed
 chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a highly publicized
 September 24 interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused
 Wallace and Fox of undertaking a conservative hit job on his
 administration's national security record and of neglecting to
 adequately question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts.
 
 Just as the former president thought it necessary to establish the
 political context for the debate over who bears responsibility for
 not preventing 9/11, it is also helpful to put the current
 fear-mongering campaign into recent historical context-especially
 since none of the pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism.
 
 Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his
 administration for being supposedly weak on defense when several
 hawkish congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to
 revive Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's
 Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first
 Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the
 country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as a
 bottom-up review of defense needs and priorities, the assessment
 concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were
 neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered
 the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office,
 downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic Missile
 Defense Organization.
 
 This outraged several hardline defense outfits like the Center for
 Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby
 led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their
 Republican allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby
 mobilized a coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign
 to boost support for a combination of national and regional missile
 defense systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were a
 number of other rightist policy outfits, including the American
 Conservative Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the Coalition to Protect
 Americans Now, and Americans for Missile Defense, which together
 represented a formidable coalition of social conservatives,
 neoconservatives, unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists.
 
 The Coalition to Protect Americans Now revived Reagan's
 window-of-vulnerability claim in its demand to abolish arms control
 treaties and construct a defense system to protect our families from
 ballistic missile attack. It sponsored a website featuring a map of
 the United States where, by selecting a town's location, a reader
 could receive often misleading information about which countries had
 or soon supposedly would have the capability to strike it with an
 intercontinental missile.
 

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread MK DuPree



Hi Tom...thanks for this 
post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said 
anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how 
the distilled water seems tomake more pronounced the flavors of coffee, 
frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my 
favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in 
the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) 
anythingbetween the water and our drink.But then I've always 
wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, 
because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many 
times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk 
daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that 
way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep 
producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the 
last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for 
several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol(the bad stuff) was way 
down, although the good stuff wasn'thigh enough for me, but my doc said it 
was okay. 
 
Anyway,I'm going intoall this totry andround outa 
big picture.I know our water is a major piece of our overall health 
picture andmy choices dictatedistilled. I don't trust the 
bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap 
water.Yourspeaker's artificially softened water claims don't 
surprise me at all. I suppose I couldgo out and buyreverse 
osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have 
tonod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the 
unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like 
I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about 
distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really 
refreshing. 
 
But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank youfor your 
concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. 
Mike DuPree


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Thomas 
  Kelly 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
  (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
  
  Mike,
  You wrote:
   "Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, 
  waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
  etc...hey...distilledperiod..."
  
   Please, no. 
  
  
   This goes back many 
  years, butI heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of 
  Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or 
  worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His 
  conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and 
  then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular 
  disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a 
  decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to 
  hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.)
   I 
  believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking 
  and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water 
  softeners are properly installed.
   There 
  has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and 
  processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. 
  Please consider the water you drink as 
  well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is 
  your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural 
  state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that soften 
  their water, add something to restore the minerals.
   
  Wishing you good health,
   
  Tom
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
MK 
DuPree 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:39 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
Evidence)

Hi D and Mike...isn't 
homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually 
scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol 
to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say 
"soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only 
use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other 
stuffto be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know 
I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me 
about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! 
Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree

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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 
2:56 AM

Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread MK DuPree



Aint even gonna touch references to my 
dic...otherwise, ok, I give, kind of...what about dropping the words "in 
on"?There's a case forCheney having honed his 
presentmessage to mask the real message his ilk have homed in on during 
the present and past administrations. Rufus

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame 
Game
 1. That's not a real dictionary. 
2. It wasn't "honed" as in "he honed his argument", it was "honed 
in".  He meant "homed in on."  -Miss 
Grundy  MK DuPree wrote:  
Well...whether he homed or honed it, according to this article Cheney 
 has been focusing on a message that betrays the historical work of 
his  party, or at least certain members of his party. Thanks 
Keith. Now, according to my 
_Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary,  Eleventh 
Edition_: "honed": to make more acute, 
intense, or effective; and "homed": to 
proceed or direct attention toward an 
objective. Given the context in which 
the word in the article is used, I  vote for "honed." However, from 
the article it appears the present  administration has honed its' 
public policy abilities and homed in  hard on my country's 
pocketbook for spending on stuff that benefits a  few at the expense 
of many...as usual.   
  - Original Message - From: 
"Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 
2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame 
Game  "has honed in on"  
 HOMED!!!Can't anyone 
write anymore???   -Miss Grundy 
  Keith Addison wrote:  
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588 Right Web | 
Analysis |  The Blame Game 
 Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006 
 IRC Right Web 
rightweb.irc-online.org  
Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in 
recent weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a 
particular message: Terrorists are "still lethal, still 
desperately trying to hit us again," and Democrats are no 
good at security (Washington Post, October 8, 2006). The 
administration and the Republican Party are again hawking 
the security issue prior to elections. Not only are they 
saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect 
the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their 
own security credentials by tarnishing those of the 
Clinton administration.  
As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked 
the record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he 
missed chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a 
highly publicized September 24 interview with Fox News' 
Chris Wallace, Clinton accused Wallace and Fox of 
undertaking a "conservative hit job" on his administration's 
national security record and of neglecting to adequately 
question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts. 
 Just as the former president thought it necessary 
to establish the political context for the debate over who 
bears responsibility for not preventing 9/11, it is also 
helpful to put the current fear-mongering campaign into 
recent historical context-especially since none of the 
pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism. 
 Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted 
attack on his administration for being supposedly weak on 
defense when several hawkish congressional figures and 
outside pressure groups tried to revive Reagan-era missile 
defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's Secretary of 
Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first 
Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing 
the country's national defense posture. Hailed by the 
administration as a "bottom-up review" of defense needs and 
priorities, the assessment concluded that plans for a 
full-blown missile defense system were neither technically 
feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered the 
closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office, 
downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic 
Missile Defense Organization. 
 This outraged several hardline defense outfits like 
the Center for Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as 
well as the defense lobby led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, 
Raytheon, and TRW. With their Republican allies a minority 
in Congress, the missile defense lobby mobilized a 
coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign to 
boost support for a combination of national and regional missile 
defense systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were 
a number of other rightist policy outfits, including the 
American Conservative Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the 
Coalition to Protect Americans Now, and Americans for 
Missile Defense, which together represented a formidable 
coalition of social conservatives, neoconservatives, 
unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists. 
 The Coalition to Protect Americans Now 

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Jason Katie



my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns 
all the land around him and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the 
same well and pump, and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, 
clearest, coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only 
bad thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into buying 
a pressure tank with a spoon in it.
i dont knowhow much the water actually 
helped, but as a kid i was only ever sick aboutonce a year (flu season, 
and no, the fluvaccine didnt help any, so i never bothered after the first 
one).
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MK 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
  (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
  
  Hi Tom...thanks for this 
  post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said 
  anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how 
  the distilled water seems tomake more pronounced the flavors of coffee, 
  frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my 
  favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two 
  fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) 
  anythingbetween the water and our drink.But then I've always 
  wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, 
  because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace 
  many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, 
  I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in 
  part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized 
  doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol 
  until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased 
  exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol(the bad 
  stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn'thigh enough for me, 
  but my doc said it was okay. 
   
  Anyway,I'm going intoall this totry andround 
  outa big picture.I know our water is a major piece of our 
  overall health picture andmy choices dictatedistilled. I 
  don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap 
  water.Yourspeaker's artificially softened water claims don't 
  surprise me at all. I suppose I couldgo out and buyreverse 
  osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have 
  tonod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the 
  unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like 
  I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about 
  distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really 
  refreshing. 
   
  But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank youfor your 
  concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. 
  Mike DuPree
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Thomas 
Kelly 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
Evidence)

Mike,
You wrote:
 "Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, 
waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
etc...hey...distilledperiod..."

 Please, no. 


 This goes back 
many years, butI heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of 
Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or 
worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His 
conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water 
and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular 
disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a 
decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to 
hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.)
 I 
believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking 
and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water 
softeners are properly installed.
 There 
has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and 
processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. 
Please consider the water you drink 
as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled 
is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more 
natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that 
soften their water, add something to restore the minerals.
 
Wishing you good health,
 
Tom

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  MK 
  

[Biofuel] Help with Processor

2006-10-18 Thread Mark` Cookson
Hi to every one,
I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater 
element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in 
Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a 
supplier here in the UK.
Any suggestions anybody?

Mark

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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread Jason Katie
i dont suppose anyone actually went and gave the cows a health exam? i 
really doubt that they were in any condition to be giving healthy milk to 
begin with. a typical dairy farm is usually a reeking, filthy, hell-hole 
with dirty cows on poorly drained concrete, and being fed the weakest of 
slop because its CHEAPER. i would be thankful for heat treated, sanitized 
(un)milk as long as places like that continue to operate the way they do.
Jason
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- Original Message - 
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as 
AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)


 D. Mindock wrote:
 Hi Mike,
I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
 milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
 to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
 Harvard study would actually be better off.
   Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.

 http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/13/food/0_03_1110_12_06.txt

 Raw organic milk that sickened California children now OK

 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003280686_spinach29m.html

 Two children have been sickened in another episode of E. coli infection,
 this time from drinking raw milk from a Whatcom County dairy.

 A 5-year-old boy from Issaquah was still hospitalized with the illness
 Thursday, while an 8-year-old girl from Snohomish County was recovering
 at home, said state health officials and a spokeswoman for a store that
 sold the milk.


 http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Sciencearticle=UPI-1-20061013-01412200-bc-britain-tb.xml



  Small TB outbreak traced to raw milk






 Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
 drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
 Peace, D. Mindock


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia
 WasTestimonials as Evidence)



 From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.

 Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.

 It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
 in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
 disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
 adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
 diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
 along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
 pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.

 Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:

 In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
 actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
 in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
 nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
 at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
 drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references)
 Other studies have found similar results.

 It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop a disease if
 they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.

 bob allen wrote:


 Howdy Terry,

 Terry Dyck wrote:



 HI Bob,

 The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease,
 Diabetes,
 Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.



 oh really, and your source for these facts is?  are the data age
 adjusted, etc. and just what other ailments are included.  This is 
 the
 issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
 statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
 reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.

 or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
 adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
 essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
 get cancer.


   show me the data please.







  On the other hand
 there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called
 Hunzaland
 that is an almost disease free area.



 I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the 
 only
 thing I got were people hawking their particular cure

   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm

 or how about 160+ year olds
 http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm

 do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
 than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?

 or maybe it's the magnetized water
 http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm




 A pure organic food diet and almost no
 pollution 

Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Insufferable pedants unite!

Webster's dictionary just means...it's called Webster's.  Big whoop!  I 
can print on up and call it Webster's.
The OED is the only dictionary worth using, IMHO.

You could say Cheney honed his argument.  You couldn't say he honed in 
on his argument. 

MK DuPree wrote:

 Aint even gonna touch references to my dic...otherwise, ok, I give, 
 kind of...what about dropping the words in on?  There's a case 
 for Cheney having honed his present message to mask the real message 
 his ilk have homed in on during the present and past administrations.  
 Rufus 
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game

  1.  That's not a real dictionary.
  2.  It wasn't honed as in he honed his argument, it was honed 
 in. 
  He meant homed in on.
 
  -Miss Grundy
 
  MK DuPree wrote:
 
  Well...whether he homed or honed it, according to this article Cheney
  has been focusing on a message that betrays the historical work of his
  party, or at least certain members of his party.  Thanks Keith.
   Now, according to my _Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary,
  Eleventh Edition_:
   honed: to make more acute, intense, or effective; and
   homed: to proceed or direct attention toward an objective.
   Given the context in which the word in the article is used, I
  vote for honed. However, from the article it appears the present
  administration has honed its' public policy abilities and homed in
  hard on my country's pocketbook for spending on stuff that benefits a
  few at the expense of many...as usual.
   
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
 mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
 mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Blame Game
 
   has honed in on
  
   HOMED!!!
  
  
   Can't anyone write anymore???
  
   -Miss Grundy
  
   Keith Addison wrote:
  
  http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3588
  Right Web | Analysis |
  
  The Blame Game
  
  Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006
  
  IRC Right Web
  rightweb.irc-online.org
  
  Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in recent
  weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular
  message: Terrorists are still lethal, still desperately trying to
  hit us again, and Democrats are no good at security (Washington
  Post, October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party
  are again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are
  they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect
  the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their own
  security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton
  administration.
  
  As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked the
  record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed
  chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a highly publicized
  September 24 interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused
  Wallace and Fox of undertaking a conservative hit job on his
  administration's national security record and of neglecting to
  adequately question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts.
  
  Just as the former president thought it necessary to establish the
  political context for the debate over who bears responsibility for
  not preventing 9/11, it is also helpful to put the current
  fear-mongering campaign into recent historical context-especially
  since none of the pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism.
  
  Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his
  administration for being supposedly weak on defense when several
  hawkish congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to
  revive Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's
  Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first
  Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the
  country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as a
  bottom-up review of defense needs and priorities, the assessment
  concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were
  neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered
  the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office,
  downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic Missile
  Defense Organization.
  
  This outraged several hardline defense outfits like the Center for
  Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby
  led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their
  Republican allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby
  mobilized a coordinated grassroots 

Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?

2006-10-18 Thread Jason Katie
i wonder if there is a way to combine nuclear waste (cesium,  ytterbium, 
iodine, cobalt, iridium, and strontium? from wikipedia) with carbon. do you 
suppose the waste could be stabilized, and the carbon locked up for keeps 
that way?
Jason
ICQ#:  154998177
MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Carbon Freeze?


 http://eatthestate.org/11-03/CarbonFreeze.htm
 (October 12, 2006)

 Carbon Freeze?

 Recently I've been reading Revenge of Gaia by James Lovelock.
 Though it sounds like a science fiction novel (and some will critique
 it that way), it is in fact an impassioned plea for recognizing the
 depth of the climate crisis and a call to action.

 Gaia, or the notion of a living planet Earth, was proposed by
 Lovelock in the 1960s when he was a planet scientist for NASA looking
 at the inert atmosphere of Mars. It occurred to him that life itself
 on Earth was manipulating the atmosphere to its own benefit. While
 the Earth Science community has now recognized that our planet does
 indeed self-regulate its temperature and composition, it shies away
 from Lovelock's contention that there is an active, willful component
 to Gaia.

 Now Lovelock is back, arguing that the regulating mechanisms are
 failing; in fact, that Gaia has a fever and is raising her
 temperature to get rid of us. As anthropomorphic as this notion is,
 Lovelock at 82 is no crackpot. I recently saw him at the University
 Bookstore, and he comes across as the genteel but sharp-witted
 English scientist that he is. As a fellow of the Royal Society,
 Britain's most prestigious science organization, he is on top of the
 latest climate science. And unlike most scientists, he feels that his
 objectivity is not compromised by speaking out.

 Much of the science in the book is familiar: the hockey-stick-like
 rise in global temperatures in recent years, the dramatic loss of ice
 in Greenland and the Antarctic and Arctic, the melting permafrost,
 etc. But Lovelock adds some new twists and goes beyond the smooth and
 linear temperature increases that characterize the IPCC predictions.
 For Lovelock, discontinuities and tipping points in the form of
 sudden temperature rises will bring irreversible change and add up to
 a bleak future where humanity itself is threatened.

 Lovelock advances the notion that the Earth is returning to a new hot
 state, about eight degrees Centigrade warmer, that will last a
 hundred thousand years or more. Such an episode did occur about 55
 million years ago, when massive methane releases overwhelmed the
 planet. As corroborating evidence that we could enter a new hot
 state, Lovelock points to his computer simulations that mimic algae
 growth in the oceans. According to his model, when carbon dioxide
 levels begin to exceed about 500 parts per million, the ocean algae
 with their ability to absorb carbon and promote cloud cover become
 extinct, leading to an abrupt jump in global temperature of around
 eight degrees. This sort of temperature jump would turn much of the
 planet into scrub and desert, which together with massive flooding
 would lead to a catastrophic die-off in the human population.

 To be sure, these sorts of predictions are speculative at this stage.
 The new IPCC report is due out next year (and it is rumored to be
 frightening). But it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that
 letting carbon dioxide levels rise to 500 ppm would put the lives of
 billions of people at risk. (Note, according to Paul Roberts' The
 End of Oil, that even if we stabilized carbon emissions at current
 levels--a carbon freeze--we will reach 520 ppm by 2100. If we do
 nothing, we will hit 550 ppm by mid-century.)

 Even if we have already passed a point of no return, Lovelock
 advocates replacing our fossil fuels as soon as possible to slow the
 temperature increases and to buy us more time. He proposes a range of
 alternative energies, including nuclear fission, until we can develop
 nuclear fusion, which is still decades away from feasibility, if at
 all.

 Getting off of fossil fuels may be easier than Lovelock thinks. He
 seems to be unaware of peaking global oil supplies. Retired Princeton
 geology professor Ken Deffeyes is still sticking to his December 2005
 prediction for global peak oil. His new evidence? New data from the
 US Energy Information Administration that world crude oil production
 peaked at 85.1 million barrels a day last December and then declined
 to 84.3 million barrels this past June.
 (www.energybulletin.net/20518.html). A temporary downturn, perhaps.
 (Chris Skrebowski, editor of Petroleum Review, with his
 field-by-field analysis, still sticks to his 2010/2011 peak.)

 Meanwhile knowledge of the coming energy crisis seems scant in
 Seattle. Portland and San Francisco city councils have already passed
 Peak Oil resolutions, setting up 

[Biofuel] A heavy blow for wind power - Calgary Herald - 2006.10.16

2006-10-18 Thread econogics
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/calgarybusiness/story.html?id=8
e468c7b-94c7-4ce2-8ede-5806b1ab1b60k=69214

A heavy blow for wind power
Cap on generation 'stalls the business'

Geoffrey Scotton
Calgary Herald


Wednesday, October 18, 2006


As much as $6 billion in Alberta wind power proposals are in limbo and
could be lost as a result of an arbitrary cap on wind power projects
imposed this year, an electricity conference was told Tuesday.

Also, lack of progress in developing a longer-term regime for wind power
integration and the transmission lines to carry it is becoming a serious
issue, delegates heard.

It basically has stalled the business of wind in Alberta, Claude
Mindorff, president of West WindEau Inc., told a Canadian Energy
Research Institute's conference on electricity. West WindEau has plans
for a $400-million windfarm near Medicine Hat, but it and others have
been stymied by a cap Mindorff said came out of nowhere.

In May, citing a potential for reliability problems for the provincial
network, the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO) -- which oversees
the electricity market and transmission network in Alberta -- surprised
the industry by announcing that wind power generation in Alberta,
currently at about 300 megawatts (MW) of capacity, would be capped
indefinitely at 900 MW. However, there are proposals for about 3,000 MW
of projects above and beyond the ones already lined up and paid up to
meet the 900 MW mark.

This is costing developers a lot of money to sit back and wait. There
is over $6 billion stuck in a nice red box, said Mindorff.

John Kehler, who oversees wind power for the Alberta Electric System
Operator, told the conference held in Calgary that the issues are
difficult to resolve. Among the challenges are the variability of wind
power, which the AESO believes will have an impact on system reliability
above a certain threshold.

Windpower is a very complex issue, said Kehler, the AESO's senior
technical specialist. I've been around for 30 years and it's one of the
more challenging issues I've seen. We need to move at the right pace
(and) we need to integrate wind power in a fair, balanced and reliable
manner.

However, wind power industry players say the AESO is moving too slowly
and is understaffed; they argue the solutions to integration issues are
both already known and affordable, and they believe billions of dollars
in potential generation projects are in danger.

There is some frustration with the go-slow type of approach, said
Kevin Van Koughnett, an executive of TransAlta Corp. unit VisionQuest
WindElectric who spoke on behalf of the Canadian Wind Energy
Association. He noted Alberta is the only jurisdiction in Canada that
has imposed a cap on wind power, and that in the next few months Alberta
will lose its title as Canada's leader in wind energy as its pioneering
sector is eclipsed by development in Ontario and Quebec.

If you look at the amount out there potentially in this province,
there's probably $5 billion or more of wind farm development that now is
stalled or precluded. We, from an industry point of view, have never
understood why you impose a cap, putting up a stop sign, stalling out
the industry, said Van Koughnett.

Mindorff said the situation is absurd.

Some people call it a threshold, some people call it a cap, some people
call it a moratorium, and effectively if you're not in the 900-megawatt
queue . . . you're out of luck, he said.

You can't connect no matter how good your wind resources are, no matter
whether or not you have a contract to sell energy.

In this deregulated market, you're not allowed to connect -- and that
bothers some of us immensely, he added.

Mindorff also emphasized that even a large number of the projects that
are within the 900 MW limit can't get on line because of inadequate
transmission infrastructure, particularly in the southeast. The AESO has
$1 billion in transmission projects planned or underway across Alberta,
but that will essentially only stabilize the existing system without
allowing significant new generation.

Of those that have actually paid their money under the 900 megawatt
queue, 375 megawatts are stranded, waiting for some type of transmission
upgrade to allow them to connect, said Mindorff. So, even though
you're allowed to connect under the current threshold, they can't
connect.

Kellan Fluckiger, executive director of the electricity division at the
Alberta Department of Energy, said he has faith in the AESO and believes
solutions will be found before the 900 MW cap is even reached, which
could happen as early as late 2007.

I don't think anyone at the AESO is trying to say, 'Stop wind,' 
Fluckiger told the Herald.

We certainly are not interested in damping the signal for alternative
and renewable investment at all. But, at the same time, we have to deal
with the fact that each technology brings its challenges. One of the
challenges is how do you integrate the variability -- and you have to

[Biofuel] recent study of bio fuel energetics; abstract

2006-10-18 Thread econogics
Forwarding from another list.

Darryl

==

From the Cover
BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES / SOCIAL SCIENCES / ECOLOGY / SUSTAINABILITY
SCIENCE-SS
Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel
and ethanol biofuels

Jason Hill* Erik Nelson, David Tilman*,, Stephen Polasky*,, and
Douglas Tiffany

Departments of *Ecology, Evolution, and Behavior and Applied
Economics, University of Minnesota, St. Paul, MN 55108; and Department
of Biology, St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057



Negative environmental consequences of fossil fuels and concerns about
petroleum supplies have spurred the search for renewable
transportation biofuels. To be a viable alternative, a biofuel should
provide a net energy gain, have environmental benefits, be
economically competitive, and be producible in large quantities
without reducing food supplies. We use these criteria to evaluate,
through life-cycle accounting, ethanol from corn grain and biodiesel
from soybeans. Ethanol yields 25% more energy than the energy invested
in its production, whereas biodiesel yields 93% more. Compared with
ethanol, biodiesel releases just 1.0%, 8.3%, and 13% of the
agricultural nitrogen, phosphorus, and pesticide pollutants,
respectively, per net energy gain. Relative to the fossil fuels they
displace, greenhouse gas emissions are reduced 12% by the production
and combustion of ethanol and 41% by biodiesel. Biodiesel also
releases less air pollutants per net energy gain than ethanol. These
advantages of biodiesel over ethanol come from lower agricultural
inputs and more efficient conversion of feedstocks to fuel. Neither
biofuel can replace much petroleum without impacting food supplies.
Even dedicating all U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would
meet only 12% of gasoline demand and 6% of diesel demand. Until recent
increases in petroleum prices, high production costs made biofuels
unprofitable without subsidies. Biodiesel provides sufficient
environmental advantages to merit subsidy. Transportation biofuels
such as synfuel hydrocarbons or cellulosic ethanol, if produced from
low-input biomass grown on agriculturally marginal land or from waste
biomass, could provide much greater supplies and environmental
benefits than food-based biofuels.


corn | soybean | life-cycle accounting | agriculture | fossil fuel




Contributed by David Tilman, June 2, 2006
Author contributions: J.H., D. Tilman, and S.P. designed


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Re: [Biofuel] recent study of bio fuel energetics; abstract

2006-10-18 Thread Jason Katie
everyone has already said corn and soy sucked for a fuel stock- ive actually 
gotten pretty mouthy about it...
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 Forwarding from another list.

 Darryl

 ==

From the Cover
 BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES / SOCIAL SCIENCES / ECOLOGY / SUSTAINABILITY
 SCIENCE-SS
 Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel
 and ethanol biofuels

 Jason Hill* Erik Nelson, David Tilman*,, Stephen Polasky*,, and
 Douglas Tiffany

 Departments of *Ecology, Evolution, and Behavior and Applied
 Economics, University of Minnesota, St. Paul, MN 55108; and Department
 of Biology, St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057



 Negative environmental consequences of fossil fuels and concerns about
 petroleum supplies have spurred the search for renewable
 transportation biofuels. To be a viable alternative, a biofuel should
 provide a net energy gain, have environmental benefits, be
 economically competitive, and be producible in large quantities
 without reducing food supplies. We use these criteria to evaluate,
 through life-cycle accounting, ethanol from corn grain and biodiesel
 from soybeans. Ethanol yields 25% more energy than the energy invested
 in its production, whereas biodiesel yields 93% more. Compared with
 ethanol, biodiesel releases just 1.0%, 8.3%, and 13% of the
 agricultural nitrogen, phosphorus, and pesticide pollutants,
 respectively, per net energy gain. Relative to the fossil fuels they
 displace, greenhouse gas emissions are reduced 12% by the production
 and combustion of ethanol and 41% by biodiesel. Biodiesel also
 releases less air pollutants per net energy gain than ethanol. These
 advantages of biodiesel over ethanol come from lower agricultural
 inputs and more efficient conversion of feedstocks to fuel. Neither
 biofuel can replace much petroleum without impacting food supplies.
 Even dedicating all U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would
 meet only 12% of gasoline demand and 6% of diesel demand. Until recent
 increases in petroleum prices, high production costs made biofuels
 unprofitable without subsidies. Biodiesel provides sufficient
 environmental advantages to merit subsidy. Transportation biofuels
 such as synfuel hydrocarbons or cellulosic ethanol, if produced from
 low-input biomass grown on agriculturally marginal land or from waste
 biomass, could provide much greater supplies and environmental
 benefits than food-based biofuels.


 corn | soybean | life-cycle accounting | agriculture | fossil fuel



 
 Contributed by David Tilman, June 2, 2006
 Author contributions: J.H., D. Tilman, and S.P. designed


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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-18 Thread MK DuPree



An addendum...no water with the 
scotch...as I said, I drink it "neat" or straight up. Not sure how that 
got into my thoughts on uses of distilled water...perhaps from memories of an 
earlier time when I was first acquiring the taste for it with blended Dewar's 
and water. Ah well...been a weird day today. MD

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MK 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
  (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
  
  Hi Tom...thanks for this 
  post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said 
  anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how 
  the distilled water seems tomake more pronounced the flavors of coffee, 
  frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my 
  favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two 
  fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) 
  anythingbetween the water and our drink.But then I've always 
  wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, 
  because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace 
  many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, 
  I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in 
  part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized 
  doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol 
  until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased 
  exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol(the bad 
  stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn'thigh enough for me, 
  but my doc said it was okay. 
   
  Anyway,I'm going intoall this totry andround 
  outa big picture.I know our water is a major piece of our 
  overall health picture andmy choices dictatedistilled. I 
  don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap 
  water.Yourspeaker's artificially softened water claims don't 
  surprise me at all. I suppose I couldgo out and buyreverse 
  osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have 
  tonod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the 
  unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like 
  I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about 
  distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really 
  refreshing. 
   
  But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank youfor your 
  concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. 
  Mike DuPree
  
  
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From: 
Thomas 
Kelly 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
Evidence)

Mike,
You wrote:
 "Plenty of other stuffto be drinking, likeuh, 
waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc 
etc...hey...distilledperiod..."

 Please, no. 


 This goes back 
many years, butI heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of 
Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or 
worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His 
conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water 
and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular 
disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a 
decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to 
hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.)
 I 
believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking 
and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water 
softeners are properly installed.
 There 
has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and 
processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. 
Please consider the water you drink 
as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled 
is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more 
natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that 
soften their water, add something to restore the minerals.
 
Wishing you good health,
 
Tom

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  MK 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 
  10:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
  Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
  Evidence)
  
  Hi D and Mike...isn't 
  homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually 
 

Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor

2006-10-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi to every one,
I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater
element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in
Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a
supplier here in the UK.
Any suggestions anybody?

Mark

Hi Mark

Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc. 
Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so 
you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless 
steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all 
countries. Seek and ye shall find.

HTH, good luck.

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Help with Processor

2006-10-18 Thread Jason Katie
what about electric water heater elements? you can get them in 120 and 240V 
models in america, and i think theyre stainless. not exactly what you are 
looking for, but they can be built into the holding tanks. (a little more 
work at the front end, but i think it would be worth it long term)
Jason
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 Hi to every one,
I am trying to build a processor but having difficulty in finding a heater
element that is not made of copper? I am in the UK, I have been told, in
Holland they make a brass emersion heater element but I can not find a
supplier here in the UK.
Any suggestions anybody?

Mark

 Hi Mark

 Brass won't do either, neither will bronze, lead, tin and zinc.
 Aluminium doesn't react with biodiesel but it does react with lye so
 you can't use it in a processor. Stainless steel is best. Stainless
 steel immersion heaters definitely exist, surely obtainable in all
 countries. Seek and ye shall find.

 HTH, good luck.

 Keith


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[Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

2006-10-18 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

Interesting and scary scenario,

regards
tallex




Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil




By Norman

18 October, 2006
http://www.countercurrents.org/po-norman181006.htm

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell
 people what they do not want to hear. - 
George Orwell

Rob Hopkins says in ‘Why the Survivalists Have Got It Wrong’
 that he has very little time for the survivalist response
 to peak oil, and refers to ‘Preparing for a Crash: Nuts 
and Bolts’ by Zachary Nowak.

Rob may well be partially right but he, like Zachary Nowak
 and many other ‘community’ minded people tend to miss or
 are just in denial with the true reality of what the effects 
of Peak Oil will really mean. 


REPLACEMENT TECHNOLOGY

One of the words that seem to go with ‘community’ is
 ‘renewable’. These words seem to go hand in hand, so
 let us take a look at them starting with ‘renewable energy’.

There are many fascinating and exciting renewable energy
 developments from wind turbines, solar energy and biomass
 etc. These are all important energy sources for the future
 and they could help keep the electricity grid going to some degree! 


The popular assumption is that these renewable energy sources
 will smoothly replace fossil fuels as these become scarce,
 thanks to our inherited technological expertise. However,
 although these all produce electricity they are not liquid fuels. 


On top of this we must remember that the energy budget must
 always be positive and output must exceed input. Too much
 tends to be expected of renewable energy generators today,
 because the contribution of fossil fuels to the input side
 is poorly understood. 


For example, a wind turbine is not successful as a renewable
 generator unless another similar one can be constructed from
 its raw materials using only the energy that the first one 
generates in its lifetime, and still show a worthwhile budget
 surplus. 


Or, if corn is grown to produce bioethanol, the energy input
 to ploughing, sowing, fertilizing, weeding, harvesting and 
processing the crop must come from the previous year's bioethanol
 production. Input must also include, proportionately, mining
 and processing the raw materials and building the machines 
that do the work, as well as supporting their human operators.


There is nothing that can replace cheap oil for price, ease
 of storage, ease of transportation and sheer volumes in the
 timeframe we need. 


SO WHAT ABOUT ‘COMMUNITY’.

In Powerdown, Richard Heinberg states, “Those who already 
enjoy a measure of self-sufficiency, such as ecovillages 
and other kinds of sustainable intentional communities 
will already have some of the skills and experience needed 
for re-localization.”


He also goes on to say that, self-sustaining communities may
 become cultural lifeboats in times to come and that “Our 
society is going to change profoundly—those of us who 
understand this are in a position to steward that change.
 We are going to become popular, needed people in our communities.” 

Now this may be true but no matter how prepared an intentional
 community or organized neighbourhood may be, it will still
 be adversely impacted in some way. The changes that are about
 to effect the world will also affect these communities. 

Experts suggest several possible scenarios for the coming
 energy decline and any of these scenarios will present
 significant challenges for intentional communities.

Even in the “soft landing” scenario, there will still be
 massive structural changes in society and being in debt
 may be the undoing of many. Common advice among many Peak
 Oil experts is to get out of debt! 

Let’s say for example, that a community is deeply in debt,
 and is still paying off its property purchase loans. 

Let’s say the community loses its financial resource base
—if members lose their jobs or if a weak economy reduces
 the market for the goods and services the community produces
—the group could default on its loan payments, and may have 
its property seized by the bank or other creditors. 

A property-value crash may worsen the debt situation for 
intentional communities. If a community’s property value 
falls below their equity in the property, they won’t be 
able to save themselves from defaulting on loans by selling
 off their land, which is typically the last resort of farmers
 in debt. 

All the shortages and systems failures that can affect
 mainstream culture can affect intentional communities as well. 


A community may not have enough foresight, labour, tools,
 or funds to create alternatives to whatever their members
 use now for heating, lighting, cooking, refrigeration,
 water collection, water pumping, and disposal utilization
 of gray water and human waste.

Then there’s the matter of community security—a subject many 
find “politically incorrect” to even consider. If the 
government fails; if the law and order system falls apart, 
there can be various 

[Biofuel] interesting video

2006-10-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
This kind of animation is produced by game engines. It places "movie" production in the hands of individuals.  The production below is an insight into the riots in France.  37Mb Quicktime  Kirk  http://ia300102.us.archive.org/2/items/thefrenchdemocracy/TheFrenchDemocracy.mov"The French Democracy," released mere weeks after the release of Lionhead's "The Movies," gives evidence for the potential of game movies as commentaries on current events. Inspired by the recent riots in the Parisian suburbs, this movie tells several stories about the victimization of French minority groups through harassment, job discrimination, and daily events and depicts circumstancs that make them feel like second-class citizens. Implicitly, this movie attempts to explain the tensions and
 emotions that fueled the riots. It also hits a note of deeply-felt sorrow for the loss of historical French ideals such as liberty and fraternity. The English subtitles, obviously written by a non-native writer, lend surprising authenticity and immediacy to the movie. -- HEL"Though 'The French Democracy' is a rough bit of work that might not win over many film critics, some folks are hailing it as a milestone for being the first politically motivated film in this newish and mostly obscure medium, called 'machinima' by its fans. Hugh Hancock, who runs a Web site called Machinima.com, rated the piece as 'a fantastic step forward.'" -- Mike Musgrove, Washington Post (1 Dec. 2005)."This is an original French movie about the recent French riots in the suburbs, it is also fully subtitled in English. A powerful film and very educational!" -- Planet The Movies (25 Nov. 2005)"This is a movie about the recent French riots in suburb. It is fully subtitled in
 english(sorry for my english, i had some training to do). I hope you will enjoy this movies and have a better understand of what is happening in my country!" -- Koulamata, The Movies website (22 Nov. 2005) 
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[Biofuel] Israel and 9/11

2006-10-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
An ignored aspect  -K  Israel and 9/11http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.html 
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