Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can be said of Washington D.C.. Or at least there must be a lot of grassland nearby to propigate the amount of manure there. But still, no wind turbines or anaerobic digesters to be found. Actually, there are a lot of anaerobic digesters walking around DC. Unfortunately, they are not being used for what they are best at. Instead, they are running the country. At least that's what they call it. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Free to good home: Methanol
I still have a virtually untapped drum of methanol in Indiana, and will be moving to California in less than two weeks. I'm not going to want to try transporting it across country, and I do want to see it go to someone who will use it. If anyone wants it, let me know. I'm in central Indiana, about 35 miles north of Indianapolis. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear
Information on a book about how eco-meltdowns affect society being off topic? I can't think of much that is more pertinent to the subject of biofuels. Brian once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this isn't there? My apologies to the group for not snipping but to make the point... - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: Trends of How Traditional Gasoline is Sold (IntheU.S. market)
I loved Romantic Warrior. One of the best fusion albums ever, IMHO. Brian Peggy, Thanks - but You may be surprised how I found the JTF website because it was by accident or serendipity. I was actually doing a web search for Chic Corea and his Return to Forever (RTF) albums from 1970s. But I could not remember the name and typed in Journey to Forever. Lo and behold the Journey to Forever (JTF) website! Is that wierd or what? So here I am talking biofuels as an extension of my interest in Chic Corea. I always thought he was deep. P.Wolfe --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phillip, We really appreciate your views and reporting as well as suggestions for forwarding biofuels distribution. You find many excellent sources of useable information and food for thought that can be used globally. Thank you. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Re: Trends of How Traditional Gasoline is Sold (In theU.S. market) Biofuel Readers in U.S.: Here is a summary of trends on how traditional gasoline is in the US: (I am searching for similar report for international): There are three basic ways in selling (traditional) gasoline (in the U.S.): 1)Refiners can own and operate the retail outlets themselves, 2) they can franchise the outlets to an independent dealer and directly supply gasoline, or 3) they can use jobbers that gain the right to distribute the brand in a particular area. Jobbers account for about 44% of the market, compared with 27% for dealers who carry their company's brand and sometimes lease the property of the oil company Company-owned outlets account for only about 12% of the market! These percentages have not changed much (over the years) said the report. The most noticeable change has been the growth of nontraditional sellers such as hypermarkets and unbranded stations, which total 17%. Names such as Kroger, H-E-B, Randalls and the Murphy USA locations on Wal-Mart lots. Of these, Wal-Mart is building most aggressively, with some 150 to 170 locations planned nationally for 2005 alone. The hypermarkets are still expanding, and because of their aggressive price cutting are making it harder for the smaller independent stations to survive. The advantage for refiners of using jobbers and independent dealers is their retail savvy, the report said, which is a key in a business where profits can depend on how well you do selling beer and hot dogs. The disadvantage is a loss of control. While the long-term nationwide trend is downward, the number of stations in regional markets is growing. While the big oil companies are fighting for local outposts, the independents are seeing added pressures. Whether the mom-and-pop kind of station business will survive is still debatable, one expert said. As new locations across the country are being built, more and more of them are selling either unbranded or private-brand gasoline. Because of high prices, motorists have become more comfortable with buying gasoline that is not one of the major brands, the report said. Petroleum News 2005 __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Autistic children was: Splenda/sucralose toxic
Hakan, Thanks for posting this. It reminds me of one case that I saw in a hospital where I previously worked. An older man had been in the hospital for three days. He had been uncooperative, was difficult to understand and was believed by the primary team to be psychotic. Why it took three days to call psychiatry in this situation is another issue, but after loading the poor guy with Haldol to the point that he really couldn't talk they finally called us. When I went to see him, he happened to have family visiting. After talking with them a little bit to learn that there was no prior psych history, I started trying to ask him questions. One of the family members told me, He can't hear you, he doesn't have his hearing aids in. Later that day, the family brought his hearing aids, and once the Haldol wore off, he was a very pleasant person and the primary team was able to treat his illness without difficulty. Brian Thanks for reminding me. Anyone who has an autistic child or suspect it, should read this, Disturbed children and Grumpy old men. http://energysavingnow.com/acoustics/hearingloss.shtml It has helped some already and if you find it useful, let me know. It is a thing that I wrote and the above is the only link to it, so if you think that it can help any, please send the link to them. Hakan At 02:42 PM 1/10/2005, you wrote: here is another gem from Mercola, this guy is a one man savior of us all ; ) Over the last six months I have come to realize that the major reason why autistic children need to avoid milk is because it is pasteurized. The pasteurization process http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/26/pasteurized_milk.htm turns casein into a very dangerous molecule that can further precipitate the brain injury. ... http://www.mercola.com/2003/jul/2/pasteurized_milk.htm Kirk McLoren wrote: If you don't have your health you have nothing. Kirk Dr. Mercola's Comment: snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Daryl, Please accept my condolences along with the others on this board. Brian Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Greetings, As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came back] I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. We came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have done so. Bright Blessings, Kim I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang out. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Volkswagen recalls 290,000 diesel cars
Isn't that special. Those wouldn't be those TDI fuel pumps that are BD unfriendly would they ? It weren't broke but they just had to fix it anyway, and now it is broke for sure. Dumb. Luc My question is whether the fixed pump will be biodiesel friendly, and whether this fix will appear on new VWs. My Beetle TDI will be going to my daughter in about 9 months, and I will need a new form of transportation. At this point, my thinking is to get one of the famous Mercedes wagons for a daily driver. However, with a new baby on the way and all, my significant other wants something modern and reliable to drive, so I was thinking of another TDI for her vehicle. If it ain't going to be biodiesel friendly, though, I'll have to reconsider. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Hey Luc, Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward. Need somethng mobile until you get settled ? There are ideas that can be played with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) I think that you and I arrived here about the same time, and your progress has certainly been much faster than mine. I had been looking into the possibility of moving to Beijing, but put this thought on hold for a number of personal reasons. My alternate was a move to California, which I had expected to hapen much more quickly than it has. We are finally in the process of packing, and will be leaving Indiana for Northern CA 30 days from today. With all of the uncertainty, I have left the processor parts that I had collected sit until knowing where we were going to end up. I have also decided to scrap my original processor idea in favor of your processor in a cabinet, once I do start building. I am going to start out renting, and will not have the garage space or benefits that come from owning that I currently enjoy. Your ideas seem to fit in perfectly with the situation to which I am going, however. I am not sure if I ever thanked you for sharing them with the rest of us. Once I get moved I will keep you informed of my progress. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems
Christopher: God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the Bible, even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE righteous regardless. Christopher, I know of some suggestion of this in the Bible, but am unsure of where it is explicitly stated. Do you have a reference? Thanks. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Post-Christmas smile
Robert Luis, Thank you once again for your response. I don't know if I have ever said it, but I always greatly appreciate what you have to say. Even in the rare cases that I have not agreed with your point, I appreciate what you have to say and learn from it. Of course, same goes for Hakan, Keith, Todd, Luc, Gustl and probably many others I don't recall at this exact moment. That is why I keep hanging around here. Brian Brian wrote: Actually, what I see is quite the opposite happening in the US. With religious symbols in court rooms, people claiming that religion is being lost in the political world, etc, it seems much more likely that what will actually happen is that the courts will begin prosecuting those of us who are not Christian. That kind of action represents the antithesis of Christianity, but those of us who think are getting effectively shouted down by those who do not. The world is becoming a scary place, and the US is at the forefront. Agreed. I have read this very problem would surface in a book written many centuries ago. It's a little hard to comprehend at first blush because it's written in symbols, but I've studied enough to know that a storm is coming. However, there is a bright dawn on its heels. Hang on and hope. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
I'd be all for it. Brian Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol for sale in Indiana
Is there anyone on the list that needs methanol and is in range of Indianapolis? I had bought a drum several months ago with the plan of starting biodiesel production, but then decided to move. After a few changes in plans and a lot of uncertainty, we are finally planning a real move to Ukiah, CA. I still have the methanol, and although I continue to plan to build a processor once I get there, the transporting of pure methanol across half the country is more than I'm wanting to undertake. So, if anyone on the list can use it, contact me. It's 99% methanol from a racing fuel supplier, bought at a racing parts shop in Lafayette. I've taken out small amounts for four of five test batches of one liter each, otherwise it's all still there. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Powerdown
I saw on one of the new sites today that the US now has intelligence proving that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. Sounds like another WMD issue coming. Made me think about the article posted here a while back about Iran being next. Seems to be playing out that way. That, plus the strength of the Euro against the dollar, China revaluing the Yuan... Things just keep looking worse, but everyone still seems to have their head deeply into the sand (or somewhere else). Brian I have finished reading Powerdown (Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World) by Richard Heinberg. (c 2004, New Society Publishers, ISBN 0865715106) Recommended. A bit high-level for my taste, but definitely addresses the peak oil issue and what happens after. Covers four basic scenarios: 1) Last One Standing, 2) Powerdown, 3) Waiting for a Magic Elixir, and 4) Building Lifeboats. The current U.S. strategy, including Iraq, falls under #1. The hydrogen economy falls under #3. #4 is largely about what we can do given the powers that be are following #1. And #2 is what Heinberg thinks we should be doing. Once again, good to see someone else wondering what happened to Lovins and Rifkin in their support for the hydrogen economy. The book contains reasonable coverage of where we're going wrong (at the planetary level) and addresses some of the mainstream mirages at a reasonable level. I would have liked to have seen more coverage of viable solutions. While I concur that we need to really work the conservation and efficiency issues first, I would have liked to have seen more than passing mention to solutions like wind, solar, hydro, biofuels etc. Heinberg also raises the de-population issue to an extent I have not seen since Ehrlich. It was nice to see someone make the distinction between preservationists and survivalists. On a somewhat related note, I spent last Tuesday evening at the Canadian Nuclear Waste Management Organization Public Consulation travelling road show. I went as a member of the public. We were outnumbered by the staff (4 to 2). Fascinating hour. I was misled and flat out lied to. Apparently I have acquired another project, tilting at reactors, to coin a phrase. I will be out of town when President Bush comes to town at the end of the month. I suspect that's a good thing. Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Calvin and Hobbes Comic
Thanks for sharing. I got a kick out of it. Brian Hallo Folks, This should lead to a Calvin and Hobbes comic about debates of which we have many on this list. I believe it will speak to some of us. It sure tickled me pink. It is only good for today. The comic will change tomorrow. http://www.ucomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] about God
Hey Tim: In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Actually, there was a non-chicken egg layer long before there was a chicken. Ergo, Evolution. The egg came first. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy
So, once again, anyone who does not support Bush is a terrorist. Or, at least, not a loyal American. What bullshit! Michael Moore is the GREATEST PATRIOT this country has seen in decades. It's just too bad, for the country, that over 50% of the people here have their heads way too far up their asses to see what is going on around them. I agree with your thanks to Osama, though. He really did help to get HIS candidate elected. Brian Just thought I'd run this up the flagpole and see who salutes... Mississippi Press Sunday, November 07, 2004 In a letter to the Editor: ...My sincerest congratulations to President Bush on his successful re-election to office. His was a tremendous uphill battle against unbelievable odds, but he prevailed; and he deserves any and all accolades that may be placed upon him. I feel sure that he will thank those who helped him achieve his goal, but I'm deeply concerned that he may leave some individuals out. For this reason, I am taking the liberty of thanking a number of people who, in my opinion, were highly instrumental in bringing about his unprecedented success and whose contributions should not be overlooked. First of all, I'd like to collectively thank all of the Democratic politicians, pundits, and talking heads for initiating their relentless attacks on the President during a time of war, thereby demonstrating to all of America that the Democrats' first loyalty lies with their party, not with their country. Next, I'd like to thank the likes of Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Whoopi Goldberg, George Clooney, and the rest of the Hollywood elite who are too numerous to mention, for their overwhelming exhibitions of anti-patriotism which helped tremendously to anger loyal Americans and bring them to the polls in great numbers. I'd also like to thank Bill Clinton, America's favorite Democrat, who, for the second election in a row, helped his party lose a race for the Presidency. Go Bill! I'd like to thank Rap mogul, P. Diddy Combs, for his ridiculous Vote or Die campaign which went way over-the-top and energized no one. I'd like to thank the Democratic vice presidential candidate, John Edwards, for his relentless and exhaustive effort to divide the country into two Americas. I'd like to thank Osama bin Laden for his last-minute TV appearance which served to remind Americans that it was he, not President Bush, who started the war. I'd especially like to thank CBS News Anchor Dan Rather for his immense contribution towards exposing liberal media bias. I'd like to thank the gay rights movement for their terrific effort in getting out the Christian evangelical and American traditionalist vote. Last, but not least, I'd like to thank the Democratic presidential candidate himself, John Kerry. (He served in Vietnam, you know), for showing Americans how you can be both for and against anything and everything all of the time as long as you say whatever anyone wants to hear whenever they want to hear it. Yes, these people have done more to rile up loyal Americans and supporters of the President and get them to the polls than any campaign could hope to have accomplished. I suggest that in the next election Republicans could save millions of dollars by just sitting back and letting their detractors once again perform their magic. Vernon Steele Pascagoula From: Dan Volker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:37:34 -0500 Here is a video of a MSNBC News show which did a great job of detailing the election problems--its mind blowing this story was not replicated around the rest of American news medias. http://www.gbtg.net/videos/countdown_on_voting_irregs.wmv You need the free windows media player for this, which most people have already if they are using Windows 2000 or XP. If you don't have it, visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/download/download.aspx Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bmolloy Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy The Iron Law of democracy is that a people get the government they deserve. My hope was a democratic election, regardless of outcome. Now it appears the American people didn't even get that. Will they ever waken up? Regards, Bob. Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann Saturday, Nov. 06, 2004 at 6:59 PM Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
Hey Peter, i am strukt a bit by you logic there is a clear chain of command eatablished by God. The order is God Jesus Man Woman Child Criminal Satan. So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i think we would have more Peace on Earth... Two words for you on that one. Margaret Thatcher. (Could also have probably picked Golda Meier (sp?)) Brian And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we let them call the shots for a while??? Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content. Hi Mel ; Yes quite humourous (and yes America was stolen/conquered). It doesn't sound like you are expecting a logical answer. I'll try to give you one anyway. Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old testament.. There were very legitimate reasons for sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath, and so forth. I could explain them to you but it would be a very long post. Anyway, when Christ walked the earth he gave us a new covenant. Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God. Much of what we think is good is an abomination before God. Love of money, a proud look, materialism, boasting, promiscuity, etc. This shows me how far we as a society have wandered. But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens of the universe supposed to do with such backwardness and dogmatism? Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation thinks it is enlightened. Only time proves how wrong they all were. In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the tactics of the US forces. One thing they did was to try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders. If there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army it is to get the solders to disobey orders. When the chain of command is broken and solders start making their own orders, the army will disintegrate. That's why we have court marshals. This does not mean that all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making poor choices, then we need to fix that problem. The solution would never be to let the soldiers make the orders. What worries me most about the enlightenment of today is the source of the enlightenment. The page at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can. As in any army, and speaking from a Christian perspective, there is a clear chain of command eatablished by God. The order is God Jesus Man Woman Child Criminal Satan. In our current enlightenment the chain of command is being turned upside down. It will become Satan Criminal Child Woman Man Jesus. Once you understand this you can understand all the apparent madness in the world and where it is coming from. There is a war on for your soul and there is no surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of command upside down. This is what is happening due to our enlightenment. The days are coming (already here to some extent) when children will put their parents in jail on a whim. Children and criminals will be in charge. No surer way to loose their souls (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge. There is a method to the madness. Enlightenment is in reality a cruel death spiral. All the apparent madness in the world can be understood by asking a simple question : How many souls have been lost today?. When you look at it from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all the madness in the world and where it is coming from. There is another small problem with embracing all religions. I agree it sounds very resonable, peaceful, and cosmic conscious. But as a Christian I believe that a time is coming where this won't be an option. In other words, a time is coming when you will need to make a life or death choice between God and Satan. This will be the most difficult decision you will ever make. No-one could make that decision without preparation and many years of meditation. A person embracing all religions won't be prepared to enter the test. Let's hope I'm wrong about all this. List participants of different faiths may not understand or agree with my statements (very sorry about that). Some Christian list participant will be able to listen and understand. Peace!! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight. I too was outside looking at the colors and how the pink lit up the whole sky and the clouds. The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God and it's different for everyone. I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces all religions. But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens of the universe supposed to do
Re: FW: [Biofuel] about God
If the theory of evolution is correct, then it would be the egg that came first. Whatever the chicken evolved from would not have been a chicken, but the final non-chicken would have had to lay an egg which hatched the first chicken. Where in the line the creature mutated from non-chicken to chicken would be the question. On the other hand, if creation is correct, the chicken came first, as God created it from nothing. Soon, that may be the only version taught in US schools, so it will be what we all learn. The question is, will we all believe it. Perhaps the expanding universe is actually nothing but a big rock, the product of God making a rock so big that He can't lift it. The only drawback is that it will never be finished. Since God is the eternal being, it is not a question of whether He can do it, just the fact that it will never be complete. To say that since I haven't finished my work day and gone home is true, but not proof that I can't do it. Brian Wouldn't it be the creature the chicken evolved from? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] about God Thanks Keith, I can now rest easy :) ! Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] about God Um... the rooster? Keith Very well said... Jonathan Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel, You are obviously a profound thinker so I will pose a troubling question to you. Which cam first? The Chicken..or the Egg? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Proulx Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] about God I saw that some people are talking about God. I just want to express my point of view about God: it's total bullshit! It's told that God can create and do anything, as he wish. Following the logic of this statement, he could create a rock which is impossible to lift even for him because he can do anything he wants. But if he can't lift that rock, this mean he can't do anything he wants. Seems that we got a paradox here. Seems that the Bible is not telling the truth. Some peole will say: it's impossible to create a rock which is impossible to lift even God can't do that. That directly say that god can't do anything and that the Bible was not right. Don't it smell like bullshit? Think about that and tell me if paradox can be true. Stop wasting your life and energy in this ridiculous story. It's all about collecting beliver's money. Help the world evolve instead. _ _ ___ Gardez le contrôle gr'ce à la protection contre les fenêtres pop-up articulée sur la technologie brevetée Microsoft SmartScreen http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features / popup Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Bryn, Welcome to the list. I am soon to be moving to Northern CA, and San Rafael is one of the spots in top contention. Is this the San Rafael you're speaking of? Brian I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces all religions. Mel, I just joined the bio-fuel list tonight, and wasn't expecting such a wonderful introduction! I'm glad you like the Bah' Faith... It has been my way of life since my Mum became a Bah' in 1962 when I was 8 years of age. Since then, in all the turmoil that has occurred in the World, the Bah' Faith has continued to expand, grow, and influence leaders of thought in all spheres. I spent 19 years at the World Centre in Haifa, before accompanying my wife to San Rafael to look after her mother in 2002. We just bought a 1977 Mercedes 300 Diesel yesterday with the hope of running it on Biofuel - which is why I joined this list - and was delighted to read both your version of the wonderful old joke, and your appreciation for a Faith that has been the centre of my life for 42 years! My brother is producing bio-fuel in Vanuatu. See: http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238 warm regards, Bryn Deamer http://deamer.org/bryn ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] the vote
Something to think about. Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Brian, dont you forget,that GWB has good connections to the Bin Laden Family! How about he asked for that Tape to support his reelection? Fritz I had certainly thought of that, but being the person who suggested that W may have actually played an active role in 9/11, didn't want to be too much of a conspiracy theorist around here. The point is, I would put absolutely nothing past him if he found it necessary to gain his ends. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
I believe that those who are saying this is a mandate (media) are basing this on the fact that not only did George Bush win both the electoral votes but a majority of the popular vote which was the largest margin since his fathers election (meaning the very popular Democrat Bill Clinton did not receive such a margin), Where did you get this information? According to the Wall Street Journal, it was the narrowest win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916. I believe that I'll take their word for it, as I'm sure they have done the research to back it up. And, they can't really be accused of being part of the liberal media. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
4 more years!! YES At least we will have a chance for history to show what four more years brings. I would like to hear from you in November 2008, and see how you feel about the 4 more years then. I could be wrong, but I am thinking that this re-election will turn out to be the best thing to happen to the Democratic party since JFK. I heard Republicans on NPR this morning predicting a permanent majority in Congress, with the suggestion of perpetually Republican presidents. I hope that they keep thinking that way, and give Bush enough rope to hang himself. Brian DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How can anyone vote for a man that has lied, about his war time,and clame him self a hero? the man can not tell us what his plane is , and his wife is a suporter of the K.K.K. I don not understand how people can be so blind. and so narrow minded that they would vote for a LIER! as Kerry is. thank you! Sticks and Stones! Or would you prefer, Stick an dStoneses? oh, and your welcome :) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
Unfortunately, while he is hanging himself, he will destroy the lives of those of us that have to live with his policies. How will Mother Earth ever recover from 4 more years of increasing abuse? Bright Blessings, Kim Before Greek civilization fell due to it's policies in the Middle East, Herodatus (sp?) wrote his Histories. This was the actual source of the often misassigned quote, Those who do not understand history are destined to repeat it. Sadly, this country does not understand history. The good news, though, is that we will find a way to survive. As has happened with every power that has risen, the US will fall. We have begun the descent in the same way that the Greeks, Romans and British did before us, replacing principle with arrogance and rhetoric. It is a cycle that seems unbreakable. However, it is a cycle that also seems to lead to renewal, and I hope that my grandchildren are able to benefit from that renewal. I only hope that the Chinese change some of their policy and do a better job as stewards of the power than we have. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] the vote
I'm surprised that none of the talking heads are talking about the effect that the Osama video possibly had on the election. i think it scared some people into the Bush camp. I think that was exactly the intention of the video. The fact that it read like a Kerry campaign speech makes that even more obvious. Osama was afraid of losing HIS base, and did what he needed to assure that his choice for President was re-elected. And, the mindless sheep lined up to follow. Ultimately, I am more convinced than ever that even demonstrations of hundreds of thousands against the horrific war in Iraq will not be effective in moving public opinion in the US until massive numbers of US forces are killed and astounding numbers of Iraqis and other Arab people are slaughtered with still no end to the war in sight. American casualties do not matter to this administration, as long as they are not obstructed in the acheivement of their goals. And, I do not believe that any of us know what their goals even are. We all have guesses, but I think that we think in far too simple of terms. As for Arab casualties, I don't think that there is any hope for that to sway the public. Americans have far too much of a we're number 1 attitude, and I fear that the majority view every Arab death as a point for the home team. It's a horrible realization to come to, but to the average American Arabs are the enemy, and as a group we do not have the capacity to see them as human beings with the same goals that we have. So, until they start scoring more points than we do, the American public will not be moved. That is the kind of arrogance with which we live. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
Thank you, Peggy. I couldn't agree more. As for descent, I was referring to the political nation, not the people, land, etc. I do believe that the descent of our (US) politics can heal us as individuals, which I think is what you are saying. Brian Hello Brian and other concerned listers, There are many ways to view a change (or status quo). Choosing to call a situation a descent is relative to a person's perception of that word or (humorously) on which hemisphere of the globe they live and inner feelings about the earth itself. A descent into the earth could be friendly--not hellish. Perhaps, the new politics can trigger a new golden age: One that brings us to the light of understanding and wisdom INDIVIDUALLY. It is not necessary to relinquish your personal power or your power to do good to a political leader. Go ahead and make a difference by yourself. If enough people get off their seated television cushions and actually DO SOMETHING, then those enlightened people can turn around the situation RIGHT NOW. Ask yourself not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country--and this does not mean voting, or lamenting, or finding fault. We don't have to wait for someone to tell us what to do via a political channel. Participating in real projects that contribute to earth-friendly self-sufficiency for the self, the family, and the community--in that order--will make more difference than following the leader. Isn't that a child's game anyway. If concerned people would clean up their own acts, we wouldn't need to worry so much about an energy supply. It's a big step to break away from the herd. It takes a personal knowing that is spiritual in nature and it is a great relief when one actually believes in one's own inner strength. GO FOR IT. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: off topic flame: Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go Unfortunately, while he is hanging himself, he will destroy the lives of those of us that have to live with his policies. How will Mother Earth ever recover from 4 more years of increasing abuse? Bright Blessings, Kim Before Greek civilization fell due to it's policies in the Middle East, Herodatus (sp?) wrote his Histories. This was the actual source of the often misassigned quote, Those who do not understand history are destined to repeat it. Sadly, this country does not understand history. The good news, though, is that we will find a way to survive. As has happened with every power that has risen, the US will fall. We have begun the descent in the same way that the Greeks, Romans and British did before us, replacing principle with arrogance and rhetoric. It is a cycle that seems unbreakable. However, it is a cycle that also seems to lead to renewal, and I hope that my grandchildren are able to benefit from that renewal. I only hope that the Chinese change some of their policy and do a better job as stewards of the power than we have. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New biodiesel processor uploaded
Luc, The processor looks great. I think that we arrived on this board about the same time, and you have certainly progressed much faster than I. I'm trying to figure out where I will be living after the firt of the year, and have put processor building on hold until them. Congratulations on getting yours finished and running. Brian Thank you. Showing my original lack of knowledge about any of this was the point. If I can do it, without any prior experience or experience in any of the fields required, then it demonstrates that anyone with enough determination can do it too. It is not perfect, but it is personalized to fit my needs and situation, and, I believe it covers most, if not all, angles in being able to process a good end product with the minimum of potential problems. Over the winter the system will expand, God willing, as will it's housing with frsh insulation that will permit a longer processing season. Gustl; I had a hard time reading your post to my wife, I couldn't stop laughing. Thanks. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New biodiesel processor uploaded Luc I am very impressed! You are certainly an inspiration for the rest of us. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out Luc's processor - nice work, good on him! http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet - Complete 100-litre water-heater processor combo for small spaces Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 38 short hours to go
Kerry? And here I thought you were talking about Bush. I don't think that anyone can match his lies, or the harm they have caused to the United States and the world. Hopefully that will come to an end today. Brian How can anyone vote for a man that has lied, about his war time,and clame him self a hero? the man can not tell us what his plane is , and his wife is a suporter of the K.K.K. I don not understand how people can be so blind. and so narrow minded that they would vote for a LIER! as Kerry is. thank you! - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-socialism?
: : There is only one reason I will vote for Bush, extra money in my pocket. That's the reason that people vote for Bush, and no other. The problem is that this is a flase belief. Real wages have gone down since Bush took office, and jobs have been lost. If you earn over $200,000 per year, you do have more money in your pocket. If you are like 99% of the country, chances are that you have lost ground. : Kerry is nothing but hollow promises and outright lies. Your basis for this? Bush lied to bring this country to war, and continues to lie about the reasons for it. What lies has Kerry told? This statement needs to be backed up with some evidence. It is guaranteed he : will accelerate the US march into socialism. Your basis for this gaurantee? Again, a baseless lie, this time reported as a gaurantee. Socialist love to claim they : can solve the world's problems I don't buy it, they haven't done it; even : though most of the world is socialist! Already addressed as a fallacy. All they can do is blame the US for : the world's problems; so be it. This is my opinion and I cannot prove it. Interesting, you make a gaurantee, then state that you cannot prove it. You've learned well from your President. State lies forcefully, then when challenged use smoke and mirrors. Do you think that the people on this board are foolish enough to buy it? : : Lillie : : - Original Message - : From: Friedrich Friesinger : To: : Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry : : : I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! : Fritz : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/20/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency was Flying the Dirty Skies
I know that I saw a post from Greg on this thread earlier, but now I can't find it. I'll do my best to compile the data on my trips on Sunday, when I have some free time. It will be interesting to see whether there is a substantial change in mileage in the mountains compared to flatland. I haven't looked at this specifically. Brian On Thursday, October 21, 2004, at 04:07 PM, Todd Hershberger wrote: snip A stock TDI has 90 hp and 155 ft-lbs torque. I'm sure it will have no problem over the mountains. My modified TDI has 110 hp and 225 ft-lbs torque. snip Hi Todd, What mods have you made to the TDI? Bigger intercooler? What else? Enquiring minds... thanks, andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Actually, all of the people that I know who do not own TV sets or allow their kids to watch TV are true liberals. I know more than a few Republicans, living in Indiana, and they ALL let their kids watch all of the Nickelodeon they want. Of course, many are so fed up with the way things are that they are planning to stay home on Nov. 2. They can't bring themselves to vote for Kerry, but also refuse to vote for more of the same. And, you're right, Hank would be a much better choice than four more years. I think that Todd summed it up best, so I won't bother pointing out the obvious yet again. Brian Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we let them vote. Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more sense than that ;-) Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but Kerry. Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf maybe? Won't be the first time a dead man got voted in for office. = = = Original message = = = Kids Opt for Kerry in Bellwether Online Poll October 20, 2004 by Reuter http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1020-08.htm LOS ANGELES - The kids have spoken, and it's Sen. John Kerry with a convincing victory over President Bush on Nov. 2. An unusual opinion poll that has correctly predicted the winner of the last four presidential elections has given Democratic challenger Kerry 57 percent against 43 percent for Bush, according to results released on Wednesday. The Nickelodeon cable channel, better known for programs SpongeBob Squarepants and Jimmy Neutron, conducted Kids Vote, an online survey of almost 400,000 children on Tuesday. The latest Reuters/Zogby poll showed Bush and Kerry in a dead heat two weeks before the Nov. 2 election. Other polls also showed them in a statistical tie or Bush holding a slim lead. Nickelodeon, a unit of Viacom Inc., has organized its poll every election since 1988, and has a 100 percent record of picking the winner. The 'Kids' Vote' seems to work as a good barometer of the actual presidential vote because, developmentally, kids between the ages of two and 11 share the same opinions and outlooks as their parents, said Cyma Zarghami, president of Nickelodeon Television. The survey was the final step in a yearlong political awareness campaign on Nickelodeon. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
you missed Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more sense than that ;-) which skews the polls to primarily democrats. I can't prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among others) will turn there minds to mush. My kids prefer the wings channel, wich I bet would have given completely different results. Sorry to see after three years, you still feel it's necesary to attack and drive away those with opposing (not necessarily wrong) viewpoints. somebody had to speak up, or folks will think this is the anti-bush, anti-american list, not the biofuel list. Again, the old lie that to be anti-Bush is anti-American. The ideals on which this country were founded are at stake here. To be pro-Bush is to be anti-American, and anyone that takes the blinders off can see that clearly. The greatest patriot that this country has seen in many years if Michael Moore, but you refuse to see how he stands for the principles that used to make this country great far more than your fearless leader. Hopefully it's a majority that can. Brian = = = Original message = = = Me thinks you missed the point Steve. When you say Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age. you corroborate that the majority of parents of those children are supposedly going to vote for John Kerry. That was, after all, the point of the poll - that children are perhaps a reasonably accurate barometer of the adult voting population. As for the rest of your remarks? Sorry to see that after three years of so many mistakes and errors in judgement you still believe that a myopically focused zealot who disregards reality and real world appraisals at every opportunity and corner is to be deemed more highly than those who examine all facets of a scenario and are capable of balancing decisions based upon broader and longer range consequences. Being resolute yet consistantly wrong are not quallities to be highly prized - no more for leader of the school grounds sandbox than a country. Mr. Bush reflects the contemporary, corporate, American mindset - quarterly results to impress stockholders, not long term profits that insure stability. Unfortunately, his repeat quarterly performances are so dismal as to warrant his ouster. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we let them vote. Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more sense than that ;-) Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but Kerry. Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf maybe? Won't be the first time a dead man got voted in for office. = = = Original message = = = Kids Opt for Kerry in Bellwether Online Poll October 20, 2004 by Reuter http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1020-08.htm LOS ANGELES - The kids have spoken, and it's Sen. John Kerry with a convincing victory over President Bush on Nov. 2. An unusual opinion poll that has correctly predicted the winner of the last four presidential elections has given Democratic challenger Kerry 57 percent against 43 percent for Bush, according to results released on Wednesday. The Nickelodeon cable channel, better known for programs SpongeBob Squarepants and Jimmy Neutron, conducted Kids Vote, an online survey of almost 400,000 children on Tuesday. The latest Reuters/Zogby poll showed Bush and Kerry in a dead heat two weeks before the Nov. 2 election. Other polls also showed them in a statistical tie or Bush holding a slim lead. Nickelodeon, a unit of Viacom Inc., has organized its poll every election since 1988, and has a 100 percent record of picking the winner. The 'Kids' Vote' seems to work as a good barometer of the actual presidential vote because, developmentally, kids between the ages of two and 11 share the same opinions and outlooks as their parents, said Cyma Zarghami, president of Nickelodeon Television. The survey was the final step in a yearlong political awareness campaign on Nickelodeon. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
RE: [Biofuel] Kurt Vonnegut
Actually, I appreciate the post. I have loved Vonnegut ever since I was introduced to Kilgore Trout in third grade. Truly a great American, and I am grateful that the important message that he relates is shared here. Brian That was not pleasant nor was it helpful. So what was it? Peggy Peggy G Korth, President Water Assurance Technology Energy Resources (830) 885-7409 Voice (830) 885-7416 Fax (210) 288-0999 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cannon Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kurt Vonnegut Requiem for a Dreamer By Kurt Vonnegut Editor's note: What follows is a conversation between Kurt Vonnegut and out-of-print science fiction writer Kilgore Trout. It was to be their last. Trout committed suicide by drinking Drano at midnight on October 15 in Cohoes, New York, after a female psychic using tarot cards predicted that the environmental calamity George W. Bush would once again be elected president of the most powerful nation on the planet by a five-to-four decision of the Supreme Court, which included 100 per-cent of the black vote. TROUT: I've never voted in my whole damn life. I didn't want to be complicit. But is it time I did? KV: The planet's immune system is obviously trying to get rid of us, and high time! But sure, go vote for somebody. What the hell. TROUT: Everybody's so ignorant. KV: The overwhelming popularity of President Bush, in spite of everything, finally shows us what the American people, whom we have so sentimentalized for so long, a la Norman Rockwell, really are, thanks to TV and purposely lousy public schools: ignorant. Count on it! TROUT: You ever meet anybody who was really smart? KV: Only one: Saul Steinberg, the graphic artist who's dead now. Everybody I know is dead now, present company excepted. I could ask Saul anything, and six seconds would pass, and then he would give me a perfect answer. He growled a perfect answer. He was born in Rumania, and, according to him, he was born into a house where the geese peeked in the windows. TROUT: Like what kind of questions? KV: I said, Saul, what should I think about Picasso? Six seconds went by, and then he growled, God put him on Earth to show us what it's like to be really rich. I said, Saul, I'm a novelist, and many of my friends are novelists, but I can't help feeling that some of them are in a very different business from mine, even though I like their books a lot. What would make me feel that way? Six seconds went by, and then he growled, It is very simple: There are two kinds of artists, and one is not superior to the other. But one kind responds to the history of his or her art so far, and the other responds to life itself. I said, Saul, are you gifted? Six seconds went by, and then he growled, No. But what we respond to in any work of art is the artist's struggle against his or her limitations. TROUT: OK. KV: You seem unimpressed. TROUT: I said, OK. KV: You said it so emptily. TROUT: Sorry. You know me: Always running on empty. KV: Somebody else smart? OK, try this: After the Second World War I enrolled in the graduate division of the Anthropology Department of the University of Chicago, the most conceited university in the country. And in a seminar for about eight of us, half of us vets on the GI Bill of Rights, my favorite professor, in fact my thesis advisor, put this Socratic question to us: What is it an artist does? TROUT: Hold on: What makes Chicago so conceited? KV: That it isn't Harvard. TROUT: Got it: That it isn't high society. KV: Bingo. Anyway, I'm sure we all came up with smart-ass answers, since a graduate seminar in any subject is a form of improv theater. But the only answer I remember is the one he gave: An artist says, 'I can't do anything about the chaos in the universe or my country, or even in my own miserable life, but I can at least make this piece of paper or canvas, or blob of clay or chunk of marble, exactly what it should be.' TROUT: OK. KV: Did you forget to take your Viagra today? TROUT: Very funny. But what he said an artist does is what I do every time I brush my teeth or tie my shoes. You thought this guy was smart? He's an asshole. KV: Look, when you put a piece of paper in your typewriter, don't you try to make it exactly what it should be? TROUT: No, I just effing write. KV: What are you effing writing now? TROUT: It's about how the future has as much to do with the present as the past does. Giraffes can only have come from the future. There's no way evolution in the past would have let something that defenseless and impractical live for 15 minutes. KV: If you say so. TROUT: Try this: The First World War was caused by the second one.
Re: [Biofuel] Flying the Dirty Skies
No, but the discussion was efficiency not speed. Brian Brian wrote: There was a 60 Minutes piece on low cost airlines last week. One graphic they showed was the fact that it took 55 gallons of fuel per person to fly coast to coast. That is if the plane is full, and I am assuming they figured in cargo (although this is not necessarily a safe assumption). At 50 mpg, my Beetle TDI can go 2000 miles on 40 gallons of fuel, and I would be unlikely to do it alone. Therefore, I am at about 20 gallons per person. Much more efficient. Brian Yes but would your vehicle be as efficient if it was doing 500kts. Megan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency was Flying the Dirty Skies
Driving by myself and no luggage, I get 51.8 mpg at a constant 60 mph (tested only once). With two people and luggage, I vary between 47 and 49 mpg at a constant 70 mph. I have driven from Indiana to Maine and to Colorado, and these numbers do not vary considerably. If you want specific numbers for these trips, I can get them, as I record every fill-up. I have over 65,000 miles on my 2003 Beetle, and can give date, mileage, total gallons and cost for every time I have filled it, as well as where the fuel was purchased. Compulsive? Maybe, but if you really want the numbers I can produce them. I used 50 mpg for convenience, not because it is an exact number. My only point was that driving was much more efficient, in terms of fuel only, than flying. Brian Greg, I haven't driven across the entire country so I will only speak for the miles I have incurred. You say you get 50 MHG with your Beetle, how many people is that with? With more than one person and necessary luggage for going across country ( at least a week ), your mileage is going to go down, way down from your average day or weekend getaway trip. BTY, where do you live? It is one thing the brag about 50 MPG in flat country, but, your mileage is likely going to drop once you get into mountain county ( losing up to 1/4 to 1/2 of your MPG depending on the capabilities of your vehicle - especially with the extra weight mentioned above ), I sense a little bit of exaggeration. I drove with my dad and luggage from Chicago to Boston with speeds between 55-75 mph and averaged 58 mpg. Beetles are notoriously underpowered for mountain country. A stock TDI has 90 hp and 155 ft-lbs torque. I'm sure it will have no problem over the mountains. My modified TDI has 110 hp and 225 ft-lbs torque. Going to run the A/C on the trip? Certainly not going up the hills only when going down. Any serious mpg driver knows that. They also tint the windows too keep the inside cooler and only run the fan. What route are you going to take, some routes snip I also know that the winner of Tour de Soul competition was a biodiesel powered stock Jetta, which got around 85 mpg and broke multiple records. Sincerely, Todd - Original Message - From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 17:04 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Flying the Dirty Skies There was a 60 Minutes piece on low cost airlines last week. One graphic they showed was the fact that it took 55 gallons of fuel per person to fly coast to coast. That is if the plane is full, and I am assuming they figured in cargo (although this is not necessarily a safe assumption). At 50 mpg, my Beetle TDI can go 2000 miles on 40 gallons of fuel, and I would be unlikely to do it alone. Therefore, I am at about 20 gallons per person. Much more efficient. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerry left leaning Polls
--- Phil Van Camp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The French or whomever are quite welcome to have Kerry as their president. The fact they may prefer him is a good reason not to elect him in the U.S. How about the fact that the Islamic extremists prefer to keep Bush? What does that tell you? One of al Sadr's top aides was talking last week about the weapons buy-back program. When asked why they were giving up their weapons now, the reply was, Muqtada hates Kerry! NPR reported it, but somehow it was missed by Fox News. So, again, if the French prefering Kerry is a reason to vote for Bush, who gets the vote when the terrorists openly say they want to keep Bush? Nader? Brian Certainly Kerry leans (if that is strong enough) far to the left. The most obvious reasons are that systems of governance are radically different. In most of those countries (if not all), the people are the *subjects* of a central government In the U.S., the government is supposed to be subject to the citizens. Phil . SUPPOSED TO BE are the operative words here. Ken ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry left leaning Polls
To be honest, I prefer the option of None of the above are suitable, please go back and try again. Since we're not given that option, I will vote for the one who is not evil but has a chance to win. At least this time, it's not a lesser of the two evils question. It's one evil and the other not great but at least won't destroy the country. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : (...) So, again, if the French prefering Kerry is a reason to vote for Bush, who gets the vote when the terrorists openly say they want to keep Bush? Nader? Brian I'm french and I prefer... ...Nader :-) FD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Let's see, October 9, 2002. That would be when the phony intelligence still said that we would find WMD? Sure, nothing has changed in the two years since then, so you can still use that to explain anything, right? Bush--Stands firmly by what he believes, no matter how wrong he is proven to be. Brian Actually, I think Bush must have gotten the idea as to how to explain the reason that it was still the right thing to have gone to war in Iraq, even though no WMD have been found, from Senator Kerry's speech in Congress of Oct. 9, 2002, in which Kerry said, I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavioris cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary... (Complete speech can be found in the Congressional Record) And to bring democracy to Iraq, of course. Bush simplified the words a lot: Bad guy, good war, bring good democracy to Iraqis. Or something like that. No wonder Bush snickers every time Kerry says he was tricked into voting to authorize the use of force. Hello All ; Congressman Ron Paul, in Ron Pauls' Freedom Report, March 2004 : Since no weapons of mass destruction or link to al Qaeda have been found in Iraq, the explanation given now for having gone there was top bring democracy to the Iraqi people. Yet now we hear that the Iraqis are demanding immediate free elections not controlled by the United States and our administration says the Iraqi people are not yet ready for free elections. THE TRUTH IS THAT A NATIONAL ELECTION IN IRAQ WOULD BRING INDIVIDUALS TO POWER THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT. Democratic elections will have to wait. Cheers. --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Email sent using Grand River Mutual's Web E-mail (http://www.grm.net) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot
A terrorist attack would be too risky for the Bush campaign, as the ONLY point that they have is that they have kept us safe. The real terrorists are too scared of what would happen if we had someone intelligent in office to do anything to mess up Bush's reelection, and the Bush campaign knows it wouldn't help them, so I don't expect anything to happen until after the election. I'm flying the week before the election, but sure won't travel anywhere in November. My prediction, someone who looks a lot like binLaden will be paraded in front of TV cameras on 10/30 or 31. On November 3, we find out that his identity couldn't be confirmed, Whoops, wrong guy! Of course, by then the election is over. Sorry America, you've been misled again. Brian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 Florida Prezadenchul Ballot Florida's Secretary of State is beta-testing the online ballot for this year's election. The State of Florida is asking for volunteers to test the system to be sure it works right. Whahahaha! Actually they had a monkey (a real live hairy one, not Bush) hack into the Diebold machine during a news conference lately, but the Orwellian controlled media didn't think it was note worthy enough to make any kind of splash about. It apparently is a fairly simple matter (evidently) of tapping two stealth spots on the screen and that opens up the program to tampering. Nice move Diebold ! And of course this wasn't built in by the makers of ultra secire ATM's and other secure systems taht actually DO leave a paper trail as backup. Of course this could be, from a staunch Republican supporter (Diebold), intentional for deniability's sake. Bush loses the election and claims the machines are faulty and cancels them, but that is only if he can't get away with outrightly stealing it again. Third option ? Another fake terror attack and the whole thing is off. National emergency and all that. What are the real world possibility that there will be an legitimate election in the US? Very slim.After all, there is that agenda to keep. Luc To take part in this pre-election experiment (and roll on the floor laughing, maybe crying), go to... http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Don, I'm in the Midwest of the US. I'm currently driving my first diesel, an 03 Beetle TDI which currently has about 65,000 miles. I typically buy B2, which is the only blend available locally at this point. I am currently in central Indiana, with a move to northern CA planned around the first of the year. My prior car was a gas 2000 Beetle, which I gave to my son at 95,000 and still has its original exhaust at about 110,000. Prior to that were two Volvos, a '94 940 and '95 850, both of which went over 100,000 with the original exhaust. My perception is that the manufacturers are using better materials now that they were when I first started driving. I don't know how many days I spent in muffler shops in my youth, but I haven't seen the inside of one for quite a while at this point. Brian Brian, thanks for that. Were they petrol or diesel? Are you on biofuel? And where are you? UK or US, or elsewhere? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: 12 October 2004 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives Years ago, it seemed that I always had to replace an exhaust at about 40,000 miles. It's been a long time since I've had to buy one, though, and have had over 100,000 miles on each of my last several cars. Brian - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2005 Fuel Economy Guide Leaders
What I have heard is similar. I know that there was one head to head competition done in Canada which showed identical mileage numbers for a Prius and a Jetta TDI. I think it there is a link in the archives somewhere. They were driven by the same person, same day and supposedly in the same way. I trust that more than the EPA, particularly since I have yet to meet a Prius owner who brags about their 60 mpg. The few I have run into talk closer to 45-50, and get very disappointed when I mention that my Beetle TDI gets the same. When I bring up biodiesel to the greener than thou hybrid owners, they get real quiet. Brian PS Having not given an update in a while, I suppose I should. I have decided against going to China for personal reasons (a new little one on the way unexpectedly being the primary one), and am planning to be in northern California by the end of the year. I believe that I have reported in the past that my success with test batches using the traditional method has been much better than my initial trial with acid-base two stage. Go figure, it's just as I was told on the list. I have several components of a processor set-up in my garage, but have delayed building until I know where I am going to end up. Therefore, no reports on how my processor works yet, but hopefully I will be able to report soon after arriving in CA. There is a commercial biodiesel processor in the town I will be working (Ukiah) and a seller in the town I am likely to live (Hopland), so even if I don't get set up right away I plan on running B100 exclusively as soon as I move. I think those hybrid numbers are amusing. I forget where I read that the EPA tests artificially inflate hybrid numbers and running the AC reduces the mpg by ~22% and cold temperatures reduce battery storage another ~26%. Todd On Oct 10, 2004, at 9:26 PM, MH wrote: EPA 2005 Fuel Economy Guide Leaders Oct 07, 2004 http://www.greencarcongress.com The EPA has released its 2005 Fuel Economy Guide. Hybrids and diesels are not surprisingly the most efficient and with its Escape Hybrid, Ford now offers the most fuel-efficient SUV. Here are the top ten most fuel-efficient models: 2005 Model Year Fuel Economy Leaders Miles-per-US-gallon Rank Manufacturer/Modelcity/highway 1 Honda Insight (hybrid-electric, manual) 61/66 2 Toyota Prius (hybrid-electric) 60/51 3 Honda Insight (hybrid-electric, automatic) 57/56 4 Honda Civic Hybrid (automatic, lean burn) 48/47 5 Honda Civic Hybrid (automatic)47/48 6 Honda Civic Hybrid (manual, lean burn) 46/51 7 Honda Civic Hybrid (manual)45/51 8 Volkswagen New Beetle/Golf/Jetta (diesel, manual) 38/46 9 Volkswagen Jetta Wagon (diesel, manual) 36/47 10 Honda Civic (manual) 36/44 Ford Escape Hybrid (2WD) [SUV] 36/31 [more] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
Nader doesn't own a car. He takes public transportation. Ron B. He made the news last week when he was taking up two seats on a bus and wouldn't give one up to someone who was standing. Nice guy! Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
Hey Ron? If you're going to sling crap, why not post the voting records of all 100 senators and then snozzle at all the others that missed votes? Or would that be to contrary to your intent and purpose? To deride but one individual and create as negative a sentiment as possible based upon only partiality? == There is one problem with your comment. The other senators are not running for president. Also, (LOL) there sure is no shortage of negative sentiments on this list for the other candidate. Ron B. So you're saying that only Senators who are running for President should be scrutinized? Or that any Senator who may eventually run for President should operate in some way that is somehow different with all other Senators? Where is your line drawn? At the aisle, perhaps? If you're looking at records, it should be compared to his reference group. If you're unwilling to do this, as evidenced by your response, then don't try to justify your bias with this kind of smoke and mirror routine. The people here are too smart to fall for that. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR Senator, who you can vote for. No, don't go off to look it up on another web site. If you're scrutinizing all of the people running for office that you have the ability to vote for, you will obviously have this information at hand, and be able to compare it to Kerry's record. Well, we're waiting... Brian = So you're saying that only Senators who are running for President should be scrutinized? Or that any Senator who may eventually run for President should operate in some way that is somehow different with all other Senators? Where is your line drawn? At the aisle, perhaps? If you're looking at records, it should be compared to his reference group. If you're unwilling to do this, as evidenced by your response, then don't try to justify your bias with this kind of smoke and mirror routine. The people here are too smart to fall for that. = Brian, Brian, Brain... No, you are putting words in my mouth. It is one senator in particular that should be scrutinized because he is running for office that has the title of Commander-in-Chief. I can't vote for Senator Joe Blow running for office in California if I'm not a resident there. But...I can vote for a senator running for president. Trying to expand the topic only dilutes the issue, which I suppose you are trying to do. Heh, heh. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
You were the one that brought up Kerry's record of attendance. When I asked you to compare apples to apples, you blew some smoke about only paying attention to those you had the ability to vote for. Well, if you're paying that much attention, as if that was YOUR issue in the first place, what's the answer? Or is it YOU that keeps trying to change the question, and then when you're called on it say that you don't want to play any more? That's the way it seems to me. Brian Sorry, I'm not going to get baited on this one. Again, if you look at the subject line, it says 'Kerry'. Oh by the way, what did you have for dinner on June 16th, 2004? Even if you knew, it doesn't have any relevence, just like your question below. Heh, heh. Ron B. = Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR Senator, who you can vote for. No, don't go off to look it up on another web site. If you're scrutinizing all of the people running for office that you have the ability to vote for, you will obviously have this information at hand, and be able to compare it to Kerry's record. Well, we're waiting... Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
I also notice that you keep choosing interesting places to snip the thread for your replies. Do you think that changes what you are replying to? Why not keep the thread open, so that people don't have to tax their memories in order to see how you keep changing with the wind? Brian You were the one that brought up Kerry's record of attendance. When I asked you to compare apples to apples, you blew some smoke about only paying attention to those you had the ability to vote for. Well, if you're paying that much attention, as if that was YOUR issue in the first place, what's the answer? Or is it YOU that keeps trying to change the question, and then when you're called on it say that you don't want to play any more? That's the way it seems to me. Brian Sorry, I'm not going to get baited on this one. Again, if you look at the subject line, it says 'Kerry'. Oh by the way, what did you have for dinner on June 16th, 2004? Even if you knew, it doesn't have any relevence, just like your question below. Heh, heh. Ron B. = Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR Senator, who you can vote for. No, don't go off to look it up on another web site. If you're scrutinizing all of the people running for office that you have the ability to vote for, you will obviously have this information at hand, and be able to compare it to Kerry's record. Well, we're waiting... Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
Actually, I'm not that big a fan of Kerry. I just hate what Bush and his cronies have done to the country where I live and the rest of the world so much that I strongly support his opponent. I don't think along party lines, and have voted Republican almost as often as Democrat. I don't really like any politician, but GWB is among the worst, in my opinion. I am sorry if I sometimes get a little emotional about this subject. I truly didn't mean to attack you personally. Brian Brian, I'm sorry if I don't want to argue with you. 1) I snip so the threads aren't 10 kilometers long. I try to keep what is relevent. If I screw up...my apologies. 2) Again, there is no apples to apples, no apples to oranges, no apples to kiwi fruit. You are trying to make this into a fruitstand. Articles get posted showing how great Kerry is and I give my opinion on Mr. Kerry's position or lack of it. I don't personally attack your opinions...at least I think I didn't. Sure, I'm not perfect by a long shot. In fact, I've crawled into the hole many times in the past. Actually, more times than I want to know. 8~) But, it looks like you think Mr. Kerry is the Cat's Meow and can't tolerate any criticism about him. So be it. Henceforth, I will not say a word about Mr. Kerrywell, until after the election. By then, it won't make any difference. Mark this date: Fifth October in the Year 2004 on your calendar. No more Kerry slams!!! And if I slip up, hogtie me, wrestle me to the ground and give me a good whipping. Regards, Ron B. == I also notice that you keep choosing interesting places to snip the thread for your replies. Do you think that changes what you are replying to? Why not keep the thread open, so that people don't have to tax their memories in order to see how you keep changing with the wind? Brian You were the one that brought up Kerry's record of attendance. When I asked you to compare apples to apples, you blew some smoke about only paying attention to those you had the ability to vote for. Well, if you're paying that much attention, as if that was YOUR issue in the first place, what's the answer? Or is it YOU that keeps trying to change the question, and then when you're called on it say that you don't want to play any more? That's the way it seems to me. Brian Sorry, I'm not going to get baited on this one. Again, if you look at the subject line, it says 'Kerry'. Oh by the way, what did you have for dinner on June 16th, 2004? Even if you knew, it doesn't have any relevence, just like your question below. Heh, heh. Ron B. = Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR Senator, who you can vote for. No, don't go off to look it up on another web site. If you're scrutinizing all of the people running for office that you have the ability to vote for, you will obviously have this information at hand, and be able to compare it to Kerry's record. Well, we're waiting... Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
While you are on this subject...if you happen to cross paths where you live with some of the fine Canadian (Canadien) soldiers that were fighting side-by-side with the USA in Afghanistanwould you let your true feelings be heard and tell them in their face that they are murderers, thugs, and baby killers? Just curious, 8~) Ron (Roland) B. One of my best friends is a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq. He is a soldier who volunteered to protect his country and was ordered to instead go fight an illegal war. He is not a murderer, thug or baby killer, and I would fight anyone who called him such. On the other hand, I would relish the opportunity to tell George W Bush what I think of him. He is the one that lied to this country to justify a war that has no legal or moral reason to be fought, and has resulted in the loss of thousands of lives. It has also allowed al Zarqowi (sp?) to rise up from an unknown to a hero of Islam as he is described by the average Iraqi, resulting in untold more deaths in the past, present and future. I would love the chance to call him or any of his administration murderers, thugs and baby killers. That IS what they are. So, you see, your premise is mistaken and those here are aware enough of reality to see it and tell you so. Sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia)
I was in Sydney about a year and a half ago. There was a radio station with a contest prize of beer for a year. A rival station was making fun of them, saying, Yeah, they'll probably give you Fosters. It was obvious that the brand was not highly regarded there. Brian True.. It'll never be entirely fair to both parties. on the Fosters, seriously... we dont drink that stuff here, Crocodile Dundee was responsible for that. We drink Carlton Draught, and Victoria Bitter (ask for it by name!) Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia) Hey Ron, Are you aware of the impact that the FTA will have on our health system here?? == Howdy Michael, I suppose with any FTA, there is a lot of positives/negatives that can be bantered about from every angle. I was thinking more in terms of agriculture since this list is based partly on agriculture. No matter what the outcome, there will always be a spot in my refrigerator for some bottles of Australian Fosters. 8~) Ron B. -Si vis pacem, para bellum- (Vegetius) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
One of my bumper sticker ideas: Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. At the rate I'm going, my Beetle (TDI) will soon be covered completely with stickers. To think, only a week ago, I had never had any bumper stickers on any car I owned. Just goes to show what living in a country heading down the wrong path can do to a guy. Brian Other stickers: Osama still has HIS job, DO YOU? Bush/bin Laden 2004 Keep al Qaeda strong, Re-elect Bush WWJD? Vote Kerry/Edwards With it being so easy to turn every Bush argument back against him, I don't see why the Democratic Party isn't doing it. Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. Actually, the only form of government that sees capitalism and government meld is fascism; couple that with misrepresented and obliquely interpreted religious belief and you have the mess the US is in right now. It is neither Christian nor democratic as their actions have more than clearly proven. When actually faced with the democratic process in a general vote at the UN prior to the invasion of sovereign Iraq, when it became clear that the democratic vote process would not favour the warmongers they left off all semblance of their hypocrisy and invaded anyway, throwing off the democratic process proving once and for all that democracy only interests them in word only and that only when it serves their selfish purpose. A complete re-think of the hubris that engulfs this situation is not only needed but necessary if we are not to see perpetual war foisted upon the innnocent in a never ending lust for control of world oil reserves. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops
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Gustl, Thank you for your thoughtful input. As usual, I agree with what you have to say. I did struggle with whether to use the present or past tense in the message. My goal was a message directed at those that call themselves Christian, but live their lives in a way that conflicts with everything taught by Christ. Despite being raised in an environment where I spent a great deal of time in church, and spending many years receiving an education with strong Christian content (including a year of seminary), I do not currently consider myself a Christian. I do believe in what Christ taught, and do my best to live my life according to those principles. However, I abhor the hypocrisy of organized religion and refuse to participate. Of course, these are just my ideas. I do not expect anyone else to live their life according to my beliefs. Just wanted to let you know that I do agree with the principle of what you say, and appreciate your saying it. Brian Hallo Brian, Sunday, 26 September, 2004, 21:19:20, you wrote: brn One of my bumper sticker ideas: brn Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. Given Christian tradition Jesus is above liberal/conservative distinctions. He is no respecter of persons and one person is not more important to Him than another whether Jew, Roman, Samaritan, Greek, saint, sinner, priest, tax collector, whore, good, evil, believer, non-believer whatever. Perhaps (but not necessarily) more importantly Jesus did not preach or espouse pacifism. He taught and practiced non-resistance to evil and returning good for evil. Pacifism is born in the mind and non resistance is born in the heart (spirit). An atheist can be a pacifist and return good for evil as a political tactic. Non-resistance and the concomitant returning of good for evil is a religious act of love. The heart is changed. And perhaps the most important thing for those holding Christian beliefs is the tense used. It should be present tense not past. :o) This is only my understanding of things however. Others may disagree however. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slogan
I ordered a few bumper stickers today, along those lines. One with a classic red, white and blue political look for Bush/Bin Laden 2004, another with the republican elephant logo saying, Keep al Qaeda Strong--Re-elect Bush, and a third WWJD? Vote Kerry/Edwards. Hoping people will get the point. Brian Mr. Keith, Would junk the wars ( or warmongers) for ever make a better slogan for a sticker? Regards, Mani Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/04 2:20 PM, Jeff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fossils Fuels are Extinct While Biodiesel is Alive and Growing! Is this a better one? Jeff Still too long, but I'd put a bumper sticker on my Beetle TDI that just said Fossil Fuels are Extinct. That's good Ken! It hits home and it's a teaser, it'd get at least some people thinking about what isn't extinct, maybe starting to ask questions. Reminds me of my old War is Obsolete sticker -K Hasten the day when you can put one there saying Warmongers are Obsolete and it's just a superfluous statement of fact rather than a goal. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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