Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi, I actually answered this before When you operate the lever, 1/2 the magnets turn over, effectively short circuiting the magnetic field (ie every second magnet flips over). When the lever is in the lock position, all the magnets line up to send the field through the workpiece. It only takes a small amount of effort to operate the lever, because the magnets pivot, effectively cancelling the pull of the field. regards Doug On Tuesday 30 August 2005 4:24, Joe Street wrote: Hi Chris; Why don't you tell me since you have the device and I don't. I am guessing that the lever acts on a fulcrum and raises the magnet from the base a small distance. Joe Chris lloyd wrote: Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots You mean a little force over a long distance like? Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
How did you move the lever then?? Nick Jenny wrote: OK I may have come in late on this but you can cancel a permenant magnetic field, look up magnetic vise or chuck. They are used on milling machines to secure the workpiece. The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. Regards Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 1:18 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot "down" and then picking it "up". There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet? ans. you don't and everything following is therefore BS for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal "battery and coils" would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. oooh, free energy The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of "free energy generator", since it continuously gates magnetic energy no such thing as magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. nonsense So NASA then developed the present "shuffler" kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must "scoot" his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/ma
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving itI cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
You mean a little force over a long distance like? Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
I assure you the force distance product exceeds the strength of the magnet(s) KirkChris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving itI cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
You mean a little force over a long distance like? Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots You mean a little force over a long distance like?Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving itI cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi Chris; Why don't you tell me since you have the device and I don't. I am guessing that the lever acts on a fulcrum and raises the magnet from the base a small distance. Joe Chris lloyd wrote: Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots You mean a little force over a long distance like? Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Nick, how these work is for 1/2 the magnets to turn over, so cancelling the field when the lever is operated. When closed, all the fields are lined up the magnetic force is strong... regards doug On Sunday 28 August 2005 9:01, Nick Jenny wrote: OK I may have come in late on this but you can cancel a permenant magnetic field, look up magnetic vise or chuck. They are used on milling machines to secure the workpiece. The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. Regards Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 1:18 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot down and then picking it up. There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet? ans. you don't and everything following is therefore BS for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal battery and coils would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. oooh, free energy The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of free energy generator, since it continuously gates magnetic energy no such thing as magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. nonsense So NASA then developed the present shuffler kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must scoot his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
They are not switched off -- they are removed by the lever. The force distance product of the lever was the input energy to produce what you call switched off. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
OK I may have come in late on this but you can cancel a permenant magnetic field, look up magnetic vise or chuck. They are used on milling machines to secure the workpiece. The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. Regards Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 1:18 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot down and then picking it up. There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet? ans. you don't and everything following is therefore BS for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal battery and coils would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. oooh, free energy The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of free energy generator, since it continuously gates magnetic energy no such thing as magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. nonsense So NASA then developed the present shuffler kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must scoot his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Chris Lloyd wrote: Funny things magnets, I did some work with them back in the 60s, they do seem to contain far more energy than they should. Although energy is probably not the right word. Use electro magnets to hold 100 Kg in the air and you can see the energy being used by the current flow, now how do you calculate the energy being used with permanent magnets doing the same job. The electromagnet example is misleading, because the energy is not helping to hold the 100kg in the air. Instead it's being wasted as heat in the wire. The strength of the magnetic field is determined by the current flowing through the wire, and if your wire had a resistance of 0 then this current would continue to flow without requiring any further input of energy. Superconducting magnets are commercially available, but only operate at extremely low temperatures (and are expensive). Permanent magnets have the equivalent of a very large electric current circulating within them, due to the way that the atoms line up inside the material. However this does not mean that you can extract a sustained flow of energy from them. The closest you can get are toys like this: http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/gauss.html There is no problem in turning off a permanent magnet, it can be done electronically or mechanically.Chris. The usual mechanical method doesn't actually turn the magnet off, instead it moves it so that its magnetic field is short-circuited through the device instead of extending outward. This product is an example: http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1593 When you turn it on, the magnetic base will stick to a metal table with a very strong force. When you switch it off, you can easily pick it up and re-position it. I would guess that the magnetic boots were an extension of this concept. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi Bob I really hope you are wrong about this. He seems to be such a kind old gentleman. I agree that some of his assertions seem to be way out there, but when I look at all of the other things that we all don't seem to understand, I try to live with an open mind. Wish I could remember the name of the British Knight who first said I am too much of a skeptic to disbelieve anything I had thought/assumed that all of his degrees where awarded through his career in the US Army. Please don't tell me that was bogus as well. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:21 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Howdy Wes, Wes Moore wrote: I think you have it wrong, Mr Allen. you can call me bob, but if you want to use titles, try Professor Allen. Whether or not this is viable, there is a world of difference. Dr Tom Bearden is an accredited scientist with a reputation that stands on its own. oh really? He claims he has a Science PhD, but then he also claims that his PhD was awarded the Ph.D. for life experience and for life accomplishment (from Trinity College - Ed.)... http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011403.htm when I goggle Trinity College it turns up at least ten different Trinity Colleges, so it would be difficult to trace his credentials. Do you know which one? no wait, I found it (trinity college now defunct was a diploma mill http://web.archive.org/web/19970601203026/http://www.trinityuni.org/index.ht ml he also is an adherent to cold fusion: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/05/27/TomBeardenGrievesMalloveLos s/ he also does weather weapons: http://www.gaiaguys.net/weatherwar.htm also see how tom bearden also does chemistry, http://www.altcancer.com/vidgal.htm#beardon and anti gravity: http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper.html and on and on, so no, I don't really think his credentials are all that good. The main thing I see from his web site are outlandish claims and calls for money (vide supra) from: http://www.cheniere.org/ THE FUTURE Could be now-if development funding were made available. Look if this or any other free energy device worked why is money needed. Just hook up your working model to the grid, sell power, make money, , build bigger devices, make more money, etc. etc, etc. In a very short time one could rule the world. From coal miners to nuclear engineers and everything in between would be your slaves. In addition I think Joe Bedini has been able to demonstrate enough to show that anyone with the attitude you have shown is simply out of the flux. out of the flux? I've been out of the loop, out of my head, out of pocket, out to lunch, but never out the flux. I think some of the info from Coral Castle probably demonstrates that it is our lack of comprehension that fosters your polarized attitude. I don't think it is my problem of comprehension, but rather his problem of reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but free energy, magnetic energy, over unity, etc, leave me cold. See quote below from a real scientist. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi Joe I am from near Ottawa, 6 hours from you. The magic, I think is not in the magnet, but in the universe. I hope that you can take all that you know about magnets, and program your mind to understand there is possible that much times 400 more to be known. Wasnt it Einstein who said a genius would be someone who knows ¼ of 1 percent about any one thing. Have you read or tried to read Ed Leedskalnin s book on magnetism ? I am not going to tell you that Mr Radus lab was destroyed, and as far as I know, Westinghouse is still in business. But I hope you would not try to tell me that this sort of thing is not within the scope of corporate and government affairs. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:04 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Hey Wes, last time I checked the difference between randomized and synchronized electron spin involved energy. Try as I might I haven't found a way to violate the law of conservation of energy otherwise I would. But my offer still stands. I see you are posting from Canada as well so why don't you get your hands on one of these magical magnets and bring it down to the university and we'll see what's what. I've got Gauss meters here and lots of other instrumentation that will put an end to the discussion in short order. All anyone has to do is produce it. Man I sure hope you are right 'cuz I'll be the first to rip that nasty old diesel out of my golf and jam in a free energy motor. Just think too when I get home all I have to do is back that baby up to the wall and give 'er hell and since the wheels aren't turning the rotor windings will now become a generator and I can power my house and get off the grid. Hell I can sell some of that free energy to the city and turn a tidy profit. Is this the point where you are going to tell me that some evil government agents destroyed his labs and now nobody can figure out what the beleaguered genius had discovered? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Magnetic boots
I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Beardens website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He stepped as he walked, putting his foot down and then picking it up. There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal battery and coils would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of free energy generator, since it continuously gates magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. >From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. So NASA then developed the present shuffler kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must scoot his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Kewl dude! Ask them to send us one of them 'switchable permanent magnets' to play with so we can build a perpetual motion machine! Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Beardens website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He stepped as he walked, putting his foot "down" and then picking it "up". There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal "battery and coils" would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of "free energy generator", since it continuously gates magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. So NASA then developed the present "shuffler" kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must "scoot" his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot down and then picking it up. There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet? ans. you don't and everything following is therefore BS for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal battery and coils would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. oooh, free energy The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of free energy generator, since it continuously gates magnetic energy no such thing as magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. nonsense So NASA then developed the present shuffler kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must scoot his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
I think you have it wrong, Mr Allen. Whether or not this is viable, Dr Tom Bearden is an accredited scientist with a reputation that stands on its own. In addition I think Joe Bedini has been able to demonstrate enough to show that anyone with the attitude you have shown is simply out of the flux. I think some of the info from Coral Castle probably demonstrates that it is our lack of comprehension that fosters your polarized attitude. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:18 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Why wouldnt you just switch your own -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:58 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Kewl dude! Ask them to send us one of them 'switchable permanent magnets' to play with so we can build a perpetual motion machine! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hey Wes, last time I checked the difference between randomized and synchronized electron spin involved energy. Try as I might I haven't found a way to violate the law of conservation of energy otherwise I would. But my offer still stands. I see you are posting from Canada as well so why don't you get your hands on one of these magical magnets and bring it down to the university and we'll see what's what. I've got Gauss meters here and lots of other instrumentation that will put an end to the discussion in short order. All anyone has to do is produce it. Man I sure hope you are right 'cuz I'll be the first to rip that nasty old diesel out of my golf and jam in a free energy motor. Just think too when I get home all I have to do is back that baby up to the wall and give 'er hell and since the wheels aren't turning the rotor windings will now become a generator and I can power my house and get off the grid. Hell I can sell some of that free energy to the city and turn a tidy profit. Is this the point where you are going to tell me that some evil government agents destroyed his labs and now nobody can figure out what the beleaguered genius had discovered? Joe Wes Moore wrote: Why wouldnt you just switch your own -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:58 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Kewl dude! Ask them to send us one of them 'switchable permanent magnets' to play with so we can build a perpetual motion machine! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Howdy Wes, Wes Moore wrote: I think you have it wrong, Mr Allen. you can call me bob, but if you want to use titles, try Professor Allen. Whether or not this is viable, there is a world of difference. Dr Tom Bearden is an accredited scientist with a reputation that stands on its own. oh really? He claims he has a Science PhD, but then he also claims that his PhD was awarded the Ph.D. for life experience and for life accomplishment (from Trinity College - Ed.)... http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011403.htm when I goggle Trinity College it turns up at least ten different Trinity Colleges, so it would be difficult to trace his credentials. Do you know which one? no wait, I found it (trinity college now defunct was a diploma mill http://web.archive.org/web/19970601203026/http://www.trinityuni.org/index.html he also is an adherent to cold fusion: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/05/27/TomBeardenGrievesMalloveLoss/ he also does weather weapons: http://www.gaiaguys.net/weatherwar.htm also see how tom bearden also does chemistry, http://www.altcancer.com/vidgal.htm#beardon and anti gravity: http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper.html and on and on, so no, I don't really think his credentials are all that good. The main thing I see from his web site are outlandish claims and calls for money (vide supra) from: http://www.cheniere.org/ THE FUTURE Could be now—if development funding were made available. Look if this or any other free energy device worked why is money needed. Just hook up your working model to the grid, sell power, make money, , build bigger devices, make more money, etc. etc, etc. In a very short time one could rule the world. From coal miners to nuclear engineers and everything in between would be your slaves. In addition I think Joe Bedini has been able to demonstrate enough to show that anyone with the attitude you have shown is simply out of the flux. out of the flux? I've been out of the loop, out of my head, out of pocket, out to lunch, but never out the flux. I think some of the info from Coral Castle probably demonstrates that it is our lack of comprehension that fosters your polarized attitude. I don't think it is my problem of comprehension, but rather his problem of reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but free energy, magnetic energy, over unity, etc, leave me cold. See quote below from a real scientist. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Funny things magnets, I did some work with them back in the 60s, they do seem to contain far more energy than they should. Although energy is probably not the right word. Use electro magnets to hold 100 Kg in the air and you can see the energy being used by the current flow, now how do you calculate the energy being used with permanent magnets doing the same job. There is no problem in turning off a permanent magnet, it can be done electronically or mechanically.Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 23/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
