Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Tom,I originally used stir washing but I had problems with emulsification. Because my test batches were so small, it wasn't too much trouble to just bubble wash them. The product turned out great with zero emulsification. When I move to larger batches I will stir wash to save time. WillOn 6/28/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Will, Why are you still bubble washing? Check out stir-washing at JTF. I just stir-washed 20 gal (76L) of BD. It was a bit stubborn went 4 washes. Started this morning will let final wash (just checked: crystal clear wash water) sit over night. Bubble washing takes days .. not to mention the potential for oxidizing the fuel. Sounds like a commercial, no? Give stir-washing a try. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Will, Good idea Best wishes as you scale up. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom,I originally used stir washing but I had problems with emulsification. Because my test batches were so small, it wasn't too much trouble to just bubble wash them. The product turned out great with zero emulsification. When I move to larger batches I will stir wash to save time. Will On 6/28/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Will, Why are you still bubble washing? Check out stir-washing at JTF. I just stir-washed 20 gal (76L) of BD. It was a bit stubborn went 4 washes. Started this morning will let final wash (just checked: crystal clear wash water) sit over night. Bubble washing takes days .. not to mention the potential for oxidizing the fuel. Sounds like a commercial, no? Give stir-washing a try. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Zeke, Did you replace the hoses in your VW w. viton hoses? BD seems to be able to penetrate rubber hoses and gaskets. My washed BD caused a gasket on my storage tank (washed BD) to swell and leak. It also became "floppy"/spongy. It was exposed to 100% BD 24/7 for 6 - 7 months. A friend, using washed BD, found the fuel lines in his VW Rabbit PU truck started to "weep" within a month or so. He replaced the weeping hoses w. viton hoses no problem. I have a rubber sleeve around thefuel filler neck of my '82 Mercedes. It has begun to dissolve from the drips of washed BD over the past 10 months. I have a T in the fuel line to my "oil" burner. It allowed me to experiment w. increasing BD blends in a small tank while still being able to switch back to the 30% blend in my large tank. I have valves in the line to switch between tanks. I now burn 100% BD from the smaller tank. After 4 months, the valve in the 100% (washed) BDline began to leak ... no problem w. the valve in the 30% BD line. Upon inspection, there's a small rubber or plastic seal in the valve. I replacedthe valvew. a small ball valve. The effects of material incompatibility between washed BD and rubber seem to vary ... from penetrating, to swelling to actually dissolving the rubber. Tom - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Good point. One question I have on the tendancy of biodiesel to dissolve stuff. How much of that is due to biodiesel itself, and how much is due to unwashed biodiesel which may still contain methanol and such? Though hopefully no methoxide any more. I know my ASTM biodiesel that I bought is still trying to eat the new fuel hoses on my VW, so that shouldn't be attributable to methanol in there, but of all the anecdotes we hear about biodiesel eating lines, how many of those people are using unwashed biodiesel? On 6/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, notfinished BD.The methoxide really did a number on it.It may well befine for BD storage and washing.Thomas Kelly wrote:Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselMethoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good...Thomas Kelly wrote:Will,Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. Theinside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then.Tom- Original Message -*From:* Will Kelleher mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselTom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drumswith an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanoldrum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps.Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in.They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" withsomething. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a featurethat makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but willbiodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years... Zeke Yewdall wrote: I've also used JB weld to attach the temp sensor to the engine block on my VW, and so far, it has survived 6 months of biodiesel exposure (fuel line leak soaked entire engine) and regular heating to 190 - 225F. I do know that brake fluid will slowly dissolve JB weld though. I used it to seal a hole in the brake booster of my bus (non pressure side of the brake fluid), and after a year or so, it was more like jello, and fell off again. On 6/27/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank and to my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Nope, I didn't use viton I bought nice high quality fuel line, but apparently it was rubber :( Should have known better.On 6/28/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke, Did you replace the hoses in your VW w. viton hoses? BD seems to be able to penetrate rubber hoses and gaskets. My washed BD caused a gasket on my storage tank (washed BD) to swell and leak. It also became floppy/spongy. It was exposed to 100% BD 24/7 for 6 - 7 months. A friend, using washed BD, found the fuel lines in his VW Rabbit PU truck started to weep within a month or so. He replaced the weeping hoses w. viton hoses no problem. I have a rubber sleeve around thefuel filler neck of my '82 Mercedes. It has begun to dissolve from the drips of washed BD over the past 10 months. I have a T in the fuel line to my oil burner. It allowed me to experiment w. increasing BD blends in a small tank while still being able to switch back to the 30% blend in my large tank. I have valves in the line to switch between tanks. I now burn 100% BD from the smaller tank. After 4 months, the valve in the 100% (washed) BDline began to leak ... no problem w. the valve in the 30% BD line. Upon inspection, there's a small rubber or plastic seal in the valve. I replacedthe valvew. a small ball valve. The effects of material incompatibility between washed BD and rubber seem to vary ... from penetrating, to swelling to actually dissolving the rubber. Tom - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Good point. One question I have on the tendancy of biodiesel to dissolve stuff. How much of that is due to biodiesel itself, and how much is due to unwashed biodiesel which may still contain methanol and such? Though hopefully no methoxide any more. I know my ASTM biodiesel that I bought is still trying to eat the new fuel hoses on my VW, so that shouldn't be attributable to methanol in there, but of all the anecdotes we hear about biodiesel eating lines, how many of those people are using unwashed biodiesel? On 6/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, notfinished BD.The methoxide really did a number on it.It may well befine for BD storage and washing.Thomas Kelly wrote:Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselMethoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good...Thomas Kelly wrote:Will,Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. Theinside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then.Tom- Original Message -*From:* Will Kelleher mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselTom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drumswith an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanoldrum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps.Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in.They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined withsomething. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a featurethat makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but willbiodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Oh yea? Well, I use JB Weld to do my own dental fillings and crowns.Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years...[snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
So that's why you sound so funny on the phone... Michael Redler wrote: Oh yea? Well, I use JB Weld to do my own dental fillings and crowns. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years... [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Is that how you ended up with your lips glued to your ***? I wondered about that Michael Redler wrote: Oh yea? Well, I use JB Weld to do my own dental fillings and crowns. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years... [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
If only I were that flexible. Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that how you ended up with your lips glued to your ***? I wondered about thatMichael Redler wrote: Oh yea? Well, I use JB Weld to do my own dental fillings and crowns. */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years... [snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
By the way, wouldn't it be a trick to type a message with your lips glued to your ***?Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that how you ended up with your lips glued to your ***? I wondered about thatMichael Redler wrote: Oh yea? Well, I use JB Weld to do my own dental fillings and crowns. */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: That's nuthin' - I once used JB Weld to rebuild the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer bolt to on a Ford 460. Ran for years... [snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Hey Will, Why are you still bubble washing? Check out stir-washing at JTF. I just stir-washed 20 gal (76L) of BD. It was a bit stubborn went 4 washes. Started this morning will let final wash (just checked: crystal clear wash water) sit over night. Bubble washing takes days .. not to mention the potential for oxidizing the fuel. Sounds like a commercial, no? Give stir-washing a try. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Yes, BD destroys rubber. I was bubble washing a test batch a few weeks ago and i used a rubber band to tie a weight to the end of the bubble tube. I removed the rubber band and let it sit in the sink and a few days later it was dissolved! Very funny to see, unless of course it's your fuel line... Will ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided toput someBD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank and to my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, not finished BD. The methoxide really did a number on it. It may well be fine for BD storage and washing. Thomas Kelly wrote: Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank and to my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I've also used JB weld to attach the temp sensor to the engine block on my VW, and so far, it has survived 6 months of biodiesel exposure (fuel line leak soaked entire engine) and regular heating to 190 - 225F. I do know that brake fluid will slowly dissolve JB weld though. I used it to seal a hole in the brake booster of my bus (non pressure side of the brake fluid), and after a year or so, it was more like jello, and fell off again. On 6/27/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike,I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color.I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanol drum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all,I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter.I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line.Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it?Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so
will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun
for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your
paint.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to
get me)
- Original Message -
From:
Zeke Yewdall
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:37
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing
Biodiesel
I've also used JB weld to attach the temp sensor to the engine
block on my VW, and so far, it has survived 6 months of biodiesel exposure
(fuel line leak soaked entire engine) and regular heating to 190 - 225F.
I do know that brake fluid will slowly dissolve JB weld though. I used
it to seal a hole in the brake booster of my bus (non pressure side of the
brake fluid), and after a year or so, it was more like jello, and fell off
again.
On 6/27/06, Thomas
Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mike,I
used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto
my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel
exposure.
Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent:
Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing
Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty
good... Thomas Kelly wrote:
Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a
light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan
color.I decided to put some
BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season.
We'll see what happens between now and
then.
Tom - Original Message
- *From:* Will Kelleher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Tom, I know that some drum
manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums
with an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your
methanol drum.I don't think
the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I
don't know for sure.Hope
that helps. Will
Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas
Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello to
all,I
would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used
as heating fuel
this
winter.I
have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came
in. They are
blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that
they are only
used for methanol and "are lined"
with something.
I plan to tee them into my heating fuel
line.Will
they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm
a bit concerned
about the lining. It is apparently a
feature that
makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but
will biodiesel
dissolve
it?Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Good point. One question I have on the tendancy of biodiesel to dissolve stuff. How much of that is due to biodiesel itself, and how much is due to unwashed biodiesel which may still contain methanol and such? Though hopefully no methoxide any more. I know my ASTM biodiesel that I bought is still trying to eat the new fuel hoses on my VW, so that shouldn't be attributable to methanol in there, but of all the anecdotes we hear about biodiesel eating lines, how many of those people are using unwashed biodiesel? On 6/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, notfinished BD.The methoxide really did a number on it.It may well befine for BD storage and washing.Thomas Kelly wrote:Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselMethoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good...Thomas Kelly wrote: Will,Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. Theinside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then.Tom- Original Message -*From:* Will Kelleher mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselTom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drumswith an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanoldrum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps.Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in.They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined withsomething. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a featurethat makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but willbiodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Jason Katie wrote: brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your paint. Mmmm, preservatives! Imagine what those do to your digestive system. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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this is only one of the reasons i dont eat bologna, the other is i know the quality of the meat they put in it. And I Quote: If it hits the floor it goes in the bologna and hot dog pot- a friend of mine used to work in a meat packing plant and that is exactly what they did. (he quit and wont eat anything but deer meat he hunts and cleans for himself now.) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Jason Katie wrote: brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your paint. Mmmm, preservatives! Imagine what those do to your digestive system. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Used to be the case for long term storage of AVGAS that the drums had to be lined. Once the lining was punctured the drums were not useable for AVGAS storage. Was easy to damage the lining by inserting the wrong pump and destroying/damaging the lining at the bottom of the drum. Re-fueling the "King-Air" and other craft for long hauls on un-attended runways was why the fuel storage. Was also used in non fixed wing fuel storage as were never surer when the fuel was to be used.Your relevant Aviation Authority, or private charter company,may be able to shed some light on such drums. Doug - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. - is OK part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK part001.txt - is OKhttp://www.eset.com Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I use my old methanol drums. If they are steel like mine then there is no "lining". you can also use HDPE drums. But steel ones work just fine. I have been making bio-diesel since Dec 01 and have made thousands of gallons..DB - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I use 55 gal carwash drums; I clean them out well first and bu sure whay ever was in them was water-soluable DB wrote: I use my old methanol drums. If they are steel like mine then there is no lining. you can also use HDPE drums. But steel ones work just fine. I have been making bio-diesel since Dec 01 and have made thousands of gallons..DB - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:38 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Thomas, If you can find out from the manufacturer what the tanks are lined with then you can determine very easy if it is compatible. I think the material may be colapsable polyethylene like the refrigerator wines. As the fluid leaves the material collapses keeping air and moisture out. Check the bottom of the drum to see if it has a small vent hole. This is just a possibility, it is best to get a positive ID. If it is polyethylene you have no worrys from Biodiesel. Jim Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
