Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
oh, duh. . . .thanks for the correction. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
oh, duh. . . . :-) Never mind... I said the same thing when it finally dawned on me that the archives hadn't vanished after all. thanks for the correction. You're welcome. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
Hi NS I have used this 'electrolysis method' of rust removal many times. It is very effective and useful for recovering 'old bits of iron' and bringing back some iron machinery back to life. However, it should be kept in mind, that once the 'iron' has corroded or rusted off the item, it is gone for good and adding 'zinc' or other things to the electrolyte does nothing to restore the iron artifact to original. It means, once the artifact has been pitted or the rust so sever whereby the iron is removed, it cannot be replaced. Electrolysis simply cleans down to the iron that has been left untouched by the action of rusting, it replaces nothing. That's quite right, my own experience too. If there's enough steel left for the tool still to be useful, then go ahead, but if it's too deeply pitted, forget it. Electrolysis won't repair anything, it only removes the rust. Matthew Gilbert sent me this helpful info: http://www.holzwerken.de/museum/links/electrolysis_explanation.phtmlhttp://www.holzwerken.de/museum/links/electrolysis_explanation.phtml has the following to say about the black stuff: Typically the black stuff that can be rubbed off after electrolysis is a mixture of iron metal and magnetite, Fe 3O4 , an oxide of iron. This site gives a pretty good description of the chemsitry of derusting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetitehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite explain the formation of a fluid of magnetite when in the presence of sodium hydroxide... HTH - best Keith I am not an expert scientist on this process, only experienced from what I have done with using this method over the years. cheers! NS --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 6:10 PM Hi, I must admit I haven't used it yet, but washing soda (sodium carbonate, soda ash) can be used with an iron container or rods (not stainless, or you get nasty by-product). A battery charger is used for the power source. look here: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Hope that helps, Doug On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:52 am Chris Burck wrote: out of curiosity, i did a web search for lye and rust. the search gave 650,000 hits, including some discussion right here. some people add zinc to the lye solution, the idea being, apparently, that the zinc replaces the iron in the iron oxide. anyone have any thoughts on whether there's any real benefit to this method vs. this one: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg2 4132.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
hi, all, thanks for the replies. i do understand that it won't restore an item to original condition. i was just curious why some would choose to add zinc to the lye bath. seems sort of. . .i'm not sure what word i'm looking for. just seems to needlessly complicate things. keith, you linked to the same archive entry i did :) anyway, thanks again for the comments. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
Hi Chris hi, all, thanks for the replies. i do understand that it won't restore an item to original condition. i was just curious why some would choose to add zinc to the lye bath. seems sort of. . .i'm not sure what word i'm looking for. just seems to needlessly complicate things. keith, you linked to the same archive entry i did :) Yes, but your link doesn't work: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg24132.html It's .com, not .org: http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg24132.html or http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg24132.html Best Keith anyway, thanks again for the comments. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
Hi, I must admit I haven't used it yet, but washing soda (sodium carbonate, soda ash) can be used with an iron container or rods (not stainless, or you get nasty by-product). A battery charger is used for the power source. look here: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Hope that helps, Doug On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:52 am Chris Burck wrote: out of curiosity, i did a web search for lye and rust. the search gave 650,000 hits, including some discussion right here. some people add zinc to the lye solution, the idea being, apparently, that the zinc replaces the iron in the iron oxide. anyone have any thoughts on whether there's any real benefit to this method vs. this one: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg2 4132.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
I have used this 'electrolysis method' of rust removal many times. It is very effective and useful for recovering 'old bits of iron' and bringing back some iron machinery back to life. However, it should be kept in mind, that once the 'iron' has corroded or rusted off the item, it is gone for good and adding 'zinc' or other things to the electrolyte does nothing to restore the iron artifact to original. It means, once the artifact has been pitted or the rust so sever whereby the iron is removed, it cannot be replaced. Electrolysis simply cleans down to the iron that has been left untouched by the action of rusting, it replaces nothing. I am not an expert scientist on this process, only experienced from what I have done with using this method over the years. cheers! NS --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 6:10 PM Hi, I must admit I haven't used it yet, but washing soda (sodium carbonate, soda ash) can be used with an iron container or rods (not stainless, or you get nasty by-product). A battery charger is used for the power source. look here: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Hope that helps, Doug On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:52 am Chris Burck wrote: out of curiosity, i did a web search for lye and rust. the search gave 650,000 hits, including some discussion right here. some people add zinc to the lye solution, the idea being, apparently, that the zinc replaces the iron in the iron oxide. anyone have any thoughts on whether there's any real benefit to this method vs. this one: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg2 4132.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
Hi Chris out of curiosity, i did a web search for lye and rust. the search gave 650,000 hits, including some discussion right here. some people add zinc to the lye solution, the idea being, apparently, that the zinc replaces the iron in the iron oxide. anyone have any thoughts on whether there's any real benefit to this method vs. this one: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg24132.html This one? http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg24132.html Also here: http://journeytoforever.org/at_billhook.html#rust Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye-contaminated batch
On Jul 25, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: I have a small batch that appars to contain too much lye as wash test shows quite a bit of soap under murky biodiesel (which after all doesn't wash and remain a chicken soup). Is there a good way to reprocess it ? The soap layer is a total loss (others may disagree). I would throw out any layer that was still white after one week of settling. The yellow top layer (biodiesel heavily contaminated with soap and unconverted oil) ) can be saved by very gentle washing of that layer (no included soap layer) in HOT water, by hand, with gentle stirring. If after washing and water removal you can get it clear and it doesn't seem excessively viscous, mix it with good biodiesel and use it. If it seems too thick, closer to the consistency of the original oil, reprocess it. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye in the UK
Hi, If anyone just starting up in the UK is looking for a supply of NaOH in small quantities.try BQ concentrated caustic soda. It is actually pretty pure, I just made a 1L test batch with new rapeseed oil. Wash test and methanol test are both spot on. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Hi Bob, thanks for this - most helpful! I am desperate to find a sensibly priced source for Methanol in the 25-250L size range, if you know of anyone I would be very grateful for the info. I am based near Rotherham (S63 6JT postcode). Is there a definitive UK supplier list anywhere? If not, I am willing to maintain one on my web site if people are willing to contribute to it. Many thanks, Matt. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
I'd be interested also. Please provide info on payment. Thanks, Gary - Original Message - From: Evergreen Solutions To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] lye supply Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad.Our cooperative here just made arrangements for continuing, large scale NaOH delivery from a large chemical supply company. As an effort to share this with the community, we're prepared to offer it to homebrewers for $2 a pound plus shipping (and shipping is apparently about $6 most of the time). You might be able to find it cheaper locally, and if so I applaud you and please disregard this message. Shipping is the real killer. If you're interested, toss me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll go from there. I'm not sure yet whether it's flake or pellet, but I'll assume that it's flake since it's low-cost and bulk.If enough people are interested, we'll put up a website or something similar, maybe run it through ebay or something for security.~Thanks!~ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
Evergreen Solutions wrote: my name is now officially "people"Are you saying that I should address each person individially, or that maybe you're interested? im interested...Very. i can't get lye anywhere other than the hardware store, and who knows when they'll run out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
As of right now I think I'm going to do them via e-bay, as a security function for all involved, unless someone has a better idea. We have a site, but it's very VERY unfinished, I don't want a buy here link to look shady. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
my name is now officially "people" Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad.Our cooperative here just made arrangements for continuing, large scale NaOH delivery from a large chemical supply company. As an effort to share this with the community, we're prepared to offer it to homebrewers for $2 a pound plus shipping (and shipping is apparently about $6 most of the time). You might be able to find it cheaper locally, and if so I applaud you and please disregard this message. Shipping is the real killer. If you're interested, toss me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll go from there. I'm not sure yet whether it's flake or pellet, but I'll assume that it's flake since it's low-cost and bulk.If enough people are interested, we'll put up a website or something similar, maybe run it through ebay or something for security.~Thanks!~ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
This sounds like an outright lye!! regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 3:17, Jason and Katie wrote: my name is now officially people Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
As for:On 10/27/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like an outright lye!! regards Doug I did email keith separately several days ago to get his permission. We're not making money on this proposition, I'm just trying to share, if you're got your own supply or are afraid of ebay/paypal or w/e, then please ignore it. I guess my name on here makes it seem funny, but, you know, whatever. Again, it's no sweat off my back, we're going through the stuff in 550lb bags locally so your $4 isn't making us rich. We're working on a pretty good sized production model here, please pardon my exuberance at wanting to share. If it offends you, that was not my intention. And then for: my name is now officially people Are you saying that I should address each person individially, or that maybe you're interested? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
Include me in the interested group. Bobby Clark From: Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] lye supply Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:53:27 -0400 Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad. Our cooperative here just made arrangements for continuing, large scale NaOH delivery from a large chemical supply company. As an effort to share this with the community, we're prepared to offer it to homebrewers for $2 a pound plus shipping (and shipping is apparently about $6 most of the time). You might be able to find it cheaper locally, and if so I applaud you and please disregard this message. Shipping is the real killer. If you're interested, toss me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll go from there. I'm not sure yet whether it's flake or pellet, but I'll assume that it's flake since it's low-cost and bulk. If enough people are interested, we'll put up a website or something similar, maybe run it through ebay or something for security. ~Thanks!~ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
A direct way of converting metric to english and vice versa is touse "Master Converter". You canuse google to search the url.This is better than to use approximations.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that water weighs 1 kilogram per litre, by the originaldefinition of the litre. If Joe's specific gravity for the oil of0.92 is exact, then the oil weighs 920 grams per litre.Is the 1.0% supposed to be the amount of lye *solution* per litre ofoil (which would raise the question of what concentration), or theamount of actual NaOH?Also remember that the Imperial and U.S. systems are not the same.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario, CanadaOn Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Hunter McCormack wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric to imperial and I have stumped myself in the process. I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of the virgin vegetable oil weight. It's given that this is approximately 3.5 grams/liter. This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter. There are 3.8 liters/gallon. This means that the oil would weigh 1.3 kg/gallon or 2.9 lbs/gallon. This is contradictory to the weight measurements that I have found for virgin vegetable oil that state there are approximately 7.4 lbs/gallon. What am I missing in this unit conversion? Hunter___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
Hunter McCormack wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric to imperial and I have stumped myself in the process. I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of the virgin vegetable oil weight. It's given that this is approximately 3.5 grams/liter. This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter. I measured the specific gravity of my WVO which is canola oil and it came in at 0.92. Just as a sanity check on my hydrometer ( why do I never never trust anything??) I measured out 20 liters of WVO by volume and weighed it on a surplus triple beam balance that I picked up (20 kg capacity for a song -what a deal). By this method I calculated 0.915 SG. BTW I got the same SG (0.92 with hydrometer) for brand new canola as well. regards Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
www.onlineconversion.com is very helpful! What kind of oil? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Where does the 1% come from? Are you confusing the amounts of lye with titration? NaOH for virgin oil is 3.5 grams/liter 0.1% w/v lye solution About Lye: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lyeOn 10/18/05, Hunter McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric toimperial and I have stumped myself in the process.I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of thevirgin vegetable oil weight.It's given that this is approximately 3.5grams/liter.This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter.There are 3.8 liters/gallon.This means that the oil would weigh 1.3kg/gallon or 2.9 lbs/gallon.This is contradictory to the weight measurements that I have found for virgin vegetable oil that state there areapproximately 7.4 lbs/gallon.What am I missing in this unit conversion?Hunter_ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. - Abba Eban ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
Remember that water weighs 1 kilogram per litre, by the original definition of the litre. If Joe's specific gravity for the oil of 0.92 is exact, then the oil weighs 920 grams per litre. Is the 1.0% supposed to be the amount of lye *solution* per litre of oil (which would raise the question of what concentration), or the amount of actual NaOH? Also remember that the Imperial and U.S. systems are not the same. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Hunter McCormack wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric to imperial and I have stumped myself in the process. I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of the virgin vegetable oil weight. It's given that this is approximately 3.5 grams/liter. This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter. There are 3.8 liters/gallon. This means that the oil would weigh 1.3 kg/gallon or 2.9 lbs/gallon. This is contradictory to the weight measurements that I have found for virgin vegetable oil that state there are approximately 7.4 lbs/gallon. What am I missing in this unit conversion? Hunter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions
wow 3.5 g/liter is 0.0035kg/liter 0.35kg is 350 grams Original Message Follows From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lye - Metric to Imperial Unit Conversions Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:48:15 -0400 Hunter McCormack wrote: I am trying to understand the conversion of lye quantities from metric to imperial and I have stumped myself in the process. I understand from given data that lye is used in the amount 1.0% of the virgin vegetable oil weight. It's given that this is approximately 3.5 grams/liter. This implies that the vegetable oil weighs .35 kg/liter. I measured the specific gravity of my WVO which is canola oil and it came in at 0.92. Just as a sanity check on my hydrometer ( why do I never never trust anything??) I measured out 20 liters of WVO by volume and weighed it on a surplus triple beam balance that I picked up (20 kg capacity for a song -what a deal). By this method I calculated 0.915 SG. BTW I got the same SG (0.92 with hydrometer) for brand new canola as well. regards Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
There are actually several Wal-Mart's that are in the process of being unionized/are unionized in Canada. The first one to unionize in Quebec was closed less than two weeks later. Wal-mart says the store wasn't profitable. The unions say it was to intimidate workers at other stores. Vincent zadworny wrote: hi yall, all i ahve to say is at least the walmarts aren't unionized. ( doesn't make them better but ... ) and that i agree with the going to a chemical shop. they will have what you need. vince z */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Don; The comment about walmart, I knew would be humorous to some on the list but it was serious too. There is much interest on this list about fighting globalization and avoiding giving any support to large multinational corporations. Many folks I come across seem to think biodiesel is a license to go on with the same world view and attitude but just for cheaper and better for the air (as a side benefit almost). I hope you didn't feel stung by my little joke, and welcome to the list BTW. Try to find a local chemical supply house. Look in the yellow pages under chemical. Avoid things like drain cleaner which are not pure enough for the BD process. You can find small quantities of lye intended for soap making which are pure but cost more than you should be paying. Also avoid buying a huge bulk quantity which may seem the best economy, because you will need to use it before it absorbs moisture and degrades (gets kinda chalky white). Most commonly (around here) it looks like little spheres that are cut in half , white but not paper white,(that is old stuff) it is kind of translucent a little bit. Same goes for the alcohol. It must be very pure and dry (no water content) Some folks seem to be getting it from shops that cater to performance cars and drag racing. I also found a supply in the phone book yellow pages. Support small local shops if possible. I know this is a bit of a goofy statement when it comes to chemicals that are manufactured far away most likely by a huge company who doesn't have the environment as the number one priority but walmart is just pure evil. Joe don lyon wrote: Joe what I was looking for was a little help on how to make this bio-diesel fuel. I haven't looked at walmart for any additives to use. I am planning on looking at our local hardware store. I will be looking at the methonol alcohol and lye. I still don't know how to test any batch made. Also the used steak oil I picked up has oven cleaner mixed in it. Does that hurt anything? Thanks for your help Joe. God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: /Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Reply-To: /Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ To: /Biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Subject: /Re: [Biofuel] lye/ Date: /Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:49 -0400/ How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
Re: [Biofuel] lye
Hi Don; The comment about walmart, I knew would be humorous to some on the list but it was serious too. There is much interest on this list about fighting globalization and avoiding giving any support to large multinational corporations. Many folks I come across seem to think biodiesel is a license to go on with the same world view and attitude but just for cheaper and better for the air (as a side benefit almost). I hope you didn't feel stung by my little joke, and welcome to the list BTW. Try to find a local chemical supply house. Look in the yellow pages under chemical. Avoid things like drain cleaner which are not pure enough for the BD process. You can find small quantities of lye intended for soap making which are pure but cost more than you should be paying. Also avoid buying a huge bulk quantity which may seem the best economy, because you will need to use it before it absorbs moisture and degrades (gets kinda chalky white). Most commonly (around here) it looks like little spheres that are cut in half , white but not paper white,(that is old stuff) it is kind of translucent a little bit. Same goes for the alcohol. It must be very pure and dry (no water content) Some folks seem to be getting it from shops that cater to performance cars and drag racing. I also found a supply in the phone book yellow pages. Support small local shops if possible. I know this is a bit of a goofy statement when it comes to chemicals that are manufactured far away most likely by a huge company who doesn't have the environment as the number one priority but walmart is just pure evil. Joe don lyon wrote: Joe what I was looking for was a little help on how to make this bio-diesel fuel. I haven't looked at walmart for any additives to use. I am planning on looking at our local hardware store. I will be looking at the methonol alcohol and lye. I still don't know how to test any batch made. Also the used steak oil I picked up has oven cleaner mixed in it. Does that hurt anything? Thanks for your help Joe. God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] lye Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:49 -0400 How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
hi yall, all i ahve to say is at least the walmarts aren't unionized. ( doesn't make them better but ... ) and that i agree with the going to a chemical shop. they will have what you need. vince zJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Don;The comment about walmart, I knew would be humorous to some on the list but it was serious too. There is much interest on this list about fighting globalization and avoiding giving any support to large multinational corporations. Many folks I come across seem to think biodiesel is a license to go on with the same world view and attitude but just for cheaper and better for the air (as a side benefit almost). I hope you didn't feel stung by my little joke, and welcome to the list BTW.Try to find a local chemical supply house. Look in the yellow pages under chemical. Avoid things like drain cleaner which are not pure enough for the BD process. You can find small quantities of lye intended for soap making which are pure but cost more than you should be paying. Also avoid buying a huge bulk quantity which may seem the best economy, because you will need to use it before it absorbs moisture and degrades (gets kinda chalky white). Most commonly (around here) it looks like little spheres that are cut in half , white but not paper white,(that is old stuff) it is kind of translucent a little bit. Same goes for the alcohol. It must be very pure and dry (no water content) Some folks seem to be getting it from shops that cater to performance cars and drag racing. I also found a supply in the phone book yellow pages.Support small local shops if possible. I know this is a bit of a goofy statement when it comes to chemicals that are manufactured far away most likely by a huge company who doesn't have the environment as the number one priority but walmart is just pure evil.Joedon lyon wrote: Joe what I was looking for was a little help on how to make this bio-diesel fuel. I haven't looked at walmart for any additives to use. I am planning on looking at our local hardware store. I will be looking at the methonol alcohol and lye. I still don't know how to test any batch made. Also the used steak oil I picked up has oven cleaner mixed in it. Does that hurt anything? Thanks for your help Joe. God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] lyeDate: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:49 -0400How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!!Heaven help us.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe LOL Joe! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye Yes. that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, Yes - but make sure it's fresh, see the information at the Journey to Forever biodiesel section. it is in granular form should i grind it? Do it this way: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? No, tried by many, doesn't work. Use 99%+ methanol. For small test batches, see information on DriGas at the Journey to Forever biodiesel section. Also much information in the list archives, link at the end of all the messages. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
Wait a minute. ...using Walmart as a supplier for an energy rebellion? That's poetic!! :-) Mike Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!!Heaven help us.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
OK look, glad you found this list, but take a little extra time and find somewhere else to buy your supplies from. Save Walmart for those in utter denial. A Mom and Pop location would be nice, or check out the suppliers listed at the JourneytoForever site, or, as Keith said, work your way through the links at the end of each and every message on this list. There are alot of very intelligent people on this list who do not seem to mind answering questions, any questions. But do them a favor and do your homework first. Then, if you find that something doesn't make sense, or some material is missing, come to the list and ask. As for Walmart, I can't possibly say it any better than Joe, Heaven help us.On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it?also is denatured alcohol whatyou buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches andtraining?___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Mike KAntiFossilMN, USA "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today." President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace: Charles SumnerQuotes from Information Clearing House ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
Although I agree with Mike K., I try not to be so serious in order to save my state of mind - even as I look for material for my new, bright blue vest that says "Organize!" on the back. Maybe, with my new attire,I'll have the nerve to shop at Walmart again someday. :-) MikeAntiFossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK look, glad you found this list, but take a little extra time and find somewhere else to buy your supplies from. Save Walmart for those in utter denial. A "Mom and Pop" location would be nice, or check out the suppliers listed at the JourneytoForever site, or, as Keith said, work your way through the links at the end of each and every message on this list. There are alot of very intelligent people on this list who do not seem to mind answering questions, any questions. But do them a favor and do your homework first. Then, if you find that something doesn't make sense, or some material is missing, come to the list and ask. As for Walmart, I can't possibly say it any better than Joe, "Heaven help us". On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it?also is denatured alcohol whatyou buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches andtraining?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Mike KAntiFossilMN, USA "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today." President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace: Charles SumnerQuotes from" Information Clearing House "___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye
Joe what I was looking for was a little help on how to make this bio-diesel fuel. I haven't looked at walmart for any additives to use. I am planning on looking at our local hardware store. I will be looking at the methonol alcohol and lye. I still don't know how to test any batch made. Also the used steak oil I picked up has oven cleaner mixed in it. Does that hurt anything? Thanks for your help Joe. God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] lyeDate: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:49 -0400How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!!Heaven help us.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye and Methanol in Ottawa (was no subject)
hey ray, i produce bio diesel here in vancouver and have found a few different places that sell methanol and lye. a company called UNIVAR supplies both products out here for the larger amounts but when i was first starting i didn't need a 55 gallon drum and a 1kg bag so i found a smaller place called Xenex and they sold 2 litre quantities. but have a look in the yellow pages under chemicals here there is about half a page of listings vince z Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ray, Jesse and all.Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now. OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH).There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if they run methanol at either, but you can call them up and see where you get. (As an avid electric vehicle guy, I don't hang out with those folks much.)I'm assuming you are looking for small quantities (10s, not 1000s of litres).For methanol, go to Canadian Tire, in the paint section. Find their paint thinner, called methyl hydrate. Same thing as methanol. Comes in 4 litre containers, about Cdn$8 each, IIRC. So, $40 for 20L.For Lye (NaOH), try a Home Hardware store. They sell a container about 3 kg, with resealable lid. Don't recall the price, but not prohibitive.Forget Fisher Scientific, they don't want to deal with folks like us (e.g. minimum charge of $200 per order, before shipping and taxes).If you are looking for larger quantities, let me know. I did some research a while ago. Distributors are looking to deliver multiple (e.g. 10 or more) 200 L barrels of methanol as a shipment. I think lye was in the order of 1000 kg for an order from distributor. In between those, try a company like W.O. Stinson fuels for the methanol, and soap-makers suppliers for the lye.Darryl McMahon Hi Ray, No answers? don't despair. Our dear Darryl must be busy. He's up near you. The lye is not expensive, a Cdn Tire thing, and he told me last year where to get methanol. Erg, I'm looking for it in the old letters. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:50:48 -0400 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject)Hello to my fellow brewers from Ontario, Canada:I just tried pricing MeOH and NaOH from Fisher Scientific (via Good Health and Safety in Mississauga). MeOH @ $79CAD for 20L and NaOH @ $267CAD for 5kg both before tax and shipping. That won't do! There must be cheaper sources. I'm near Ottawa. How do you make it economically viable? Diesel is running at about $0.90CAD per litre right now, but at these prices I can only hope to break even.Ray-- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lye and Methanol in Ottawa (was no subject)
Anhydrous methanol is available from monarch oils in Kitchener at $27.45 for 5 gal pail and $59.50 for 45 Gal drum. KOH available from Alphachem in Mississauga 2kg - $27.45 10 kg - $190.50 50 kg - $725.00 You need a hazardous materials transport license to transport more than 2kg and they ask for it. But they will deliver to your door for about 30 bucks. Joe Vincent zadworny wrote: hey ray, i produce bio diesel here in vancouver and have found a few different places that sell methanol and lye. a company called UNIVAR supplies both products out here for the larger amounts but when i was first starting i didn't need a 55 gallon drum and a 1kg bag so i found a smaller place called Xenex and they sold 2 litre quantities. but have a look in the yellow pages under chemicals here there is about half a page of listings vince z Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ray, Jesse and all. Yes, Jesse, busy is a good word for it just now. OK Ray, by MeOH, you mean methanol right? (CH4OH). There are indeed race tracks in the Ottawa area. The Ottodrome International Speedway (Stittsville) and Luskville Dragway come to mind. I have no idea if they run methanol at either, but you can call them up and see where you get. (As an avid electric vehicle guy, I don't hang out with those folks much.) I'm assuming you are looking for small quantities (10s, not 1000s of litres). For methanol, go to Canadian Tire, in the paint section. Find their paint thinner, called methyl hydrate. Same thing as methanol. Comes in 4 litre containers, about Cdn$8 each, IIRC. So, $40 for 20L. For Lye (NaOH), try a Home Hardware store. They sell a container about 3 kg, with resealable lid. Don't recall the price, but not prohibitive. Forget Fisher Scientific, they don't want to deal with folks like us (e.g. minimum charge of $200 per order, before shipping and taxes). If you are looking for larger quantities, let me know. I did some research a while ago. Distributors are looking to deliver multiple (e.g. 10 or more) 200 L barrels of methanol as a shipment. I think lye was in the order of 1000 kg for an order from distributor. In between those, try a company like W.O. Stinson fuels for the methanol, and soap-makers suppliers for the lye. Darryl McMahon Hi Ray, No answers? don't despair. Our dear Darryl must be busy. He's up near you. The lye is not expensive, a Cdn Tire thing, and he told me last year where to get methanol. Erg, I'm looking for it in the old letters. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:50:48 -0400 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hello to my fellow brewers from Ontario, Canada: I just tried pricing MeOH and NaOH from Fisher Scientific (via Good Health and Safety in Mississauga). MeOH @ $79CAD for 20L and NaOH @ $267CAD for 5kg both before tax and shipping. That won't do! There must be cheaper sources. I'm near Ottawa. How do you make it economically viable? Diesel is running at about $0.90CAD per litre right now, but at these prices I can only hope to break even. Ray -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving?
Should I be upset? I was about to fire off my first bigger batch (16 litres) and when I mixed the lye ( 3 ml +3.5 = 6.5 grams per liter) and poured in the 3200 ml (16litres x 200 ml per liter) of methanol (HEET brand fuel additive) I noticed after a bit that when I shook it I could hear what sounded like granuals in the opaque white HDPE #2 jug swishing around. When held up to a bright light I could actually see crystals. Shouldn't have all the lye dissolved pretty quickly? Was there something wrong with the lye? The Methanol (had come from basement where it was chilly ... 50ish)? The jug (had been cleaned out day before and was dry inside)? Or is this normal for a bit to remain somewhat crystaline till its thoroughly mixed in with the oil? ACK!! Any thoughts? Scrap it and start over or plow ahead and see what gets mixed up? - Paul Hello Paul Why didn't you read it? You seem to have half-read it. With NaOH (lye) it takes up to 24 hours to mix, until it's thoroughly mixed undissolved granuals will of course swish around. We've just been discussing it here, indeed discussing it with you. Todd told you this: Paul, For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional bit of agitation. KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. And this: As for mixing? Mix until the catalyst is visibly dissolved. No need to go further. If you're mixing in a non-transparent container it will be up to you to determine when all the catalyst has dissolved. Pick your own method, but make sure you're right. Any solid catalyst that goes into the oil will immediately get soaped over, isolated from the reaction and in turn increase the odds of an incomplete reaction. I said this: Hello Paul Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and methanol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the carboy??! Does that do enough? The Foolproof method notes that ... It's nasty stuff and it's not easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with all the lye dissolved and goes on to note that you just give it a series of swirls and then let it sit. Once it's all added [ie the lye], replace the stopper and the lid, and swirl the mixture about for a few seconds. Then let it stand. Do that a few more times, every few hours or so (at least 4-6 times in all). It will be thoroughly dissolved in 24 hours, or maybe a bit longer. See: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Also: Mixing the methoxide http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix ... If you shake it a lot, and often, it can be ready a lot sooner than 24 hours -- in just a few hours, or even less, some people say. But DON'T use it until ALL the lye is thoroughly dissolved. If you use a white translucent HDPE container you can see any undissolved lye at the bottom of the container. Is that enough to thoroughly mix it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a container together, sealing that and then having it gravity fed through a tube into the processor. Or use an air-pump, such as an aquarium aerator. More details here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html Simple 5-gallon processor So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and drain..?!. Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough mixing? Any thoughts out there? Methoxide is methoxide, it has to be thoroughly mixed no matter which process you use. See above. I much agree with Todd's advice re KOH, we seldom use NaOH these days. KOH mixes quickly and easily, and there are other advantages. See: More about lye http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye The Foolproof acid-base method, by the way, is not for newcomers: NOTE: The two-stage biodiesel processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. Start here. Here being here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Best Keith - Paul What more do you need?? Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving? - physical mixing vs time
What I've read was that it can take anywhere from 12-24 or more hours. A very big time discrepency for what would seem to be a standard chemical reaction that use fixed amounts of chemicals. I work on technical manuals and things all day and can get caught up in semantics and exact wording to much, and this seems to be the case. Turns out the best reply would have been NO, just give it more time... as about 15 hours seemed to dissolve it all fine. Time worked just fine.. as you have noted. I'm still curious though as replies indiciate that the use of time is more of a dissolver than physical mixing. ... Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional bit of agitation. and Once it's all added [ie the lye], replace the stopper and the lid, and swirl the mixture about for a few seconds. Then let it stand. Do that a few more times, every few hours or so (at least 4-6 times in all). It will be thoroughly dissolved in 24 hours, or maybe a bit longer. Fair enough. Time will indeed dissolve it quite well, no questions there. Does anybody know of any test, or personal paractises that have found that continuous shaking or stirring will decrease the time required to dissolve. I'm fine waiting a day after doing a titration for the methoxide to prepare, but if it's dissoved in 3-4 hours, ... that's an option I'd like to know about. Any ph type tests you can do to tell that anybody's heard about? Just looking for data out there. :) - Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving? - physical mixing vs time
Paul, I had the same problem dissolving the lye and for my test batches I constructed a Methanol shaker out of an old peristaltic pump motor and some wires. Result was: At room temperature with continuous agitation the lye dissolves within 30 - 60 minutes. Andreas Ohnsorge CSC Computer Sciences Corporation EBD European Business Development Business Development Support Manager Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.172.8 43 30 32 Fax: +49. 172.50 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.de.csc.com/ Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. Paul B. Schmidt To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com pschmidtcc: @madriver.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving? - physical mixing vs time 05.02.2004 16:16 Please respond to biofuel What I've read was that it can take anywhere from 12-24 or more hours. A very big time discrepency for what would seem to be a standard chemical reaction that use fixed amounts of chemicals. I work on technical manuals and things all day and can get caught up in semantics and exact wording to much, and this seems to be the case. Turns out the best reply would have been NO, just give it more time... as about 15 hours seemed to dissolve it all fine. Time worked just fine.. as you have noted. I'm still curious though as replies indiciate that the use of time is more of a dissolver than physical mixing. ... Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional bit of agitation. and Once it's all added [ie the lye], replace the stopper and the lid, and swirl the mixture about for a few seconds. Then let it stand. Do that a few more times, every few hours or so (at least 4-6 times in all). It will be thoroughly dissolved in 24 hours, or maybe a bit longer. Fair enough. Time will indeed dissolve it quite well, no questions there. Does anybody know of any test, or personal paractises that have found that continuous shaking or stirring will decrease the time required to dissolve. I'm fine waiting a day after doing a titration for the methoxide to prepare, but if it's dissoved in 3-4 hours, ... that's an option I'd like to know about. Any ph type tests you can do to tell that anybody's heard about? Just looking for data out there. :) - Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http
Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving? - physical mixing vs time
x-charset ISO-8859-1For crying out loud Paul, Why not conduct your own series of experiments with variable times, temps and degrees of agitation to answer all your own questions? It's not that difficult to determine what works, the time required and if it best fits your needs. Really. What is the big deal? The stuff has to be dissolved for it to be useful. Failing to let it dissolve before using can readily lend to failure. All the periphery blather is nothing more than boiling away people's time and eventually their patience. How many times do you need information to be written in a different manner before you either get it or stop trying to whipsaw people? A third grader of but wee brain could figure out the answers to the questions you're asking in between bites of his peanut butter and jelly sandwich and bouts of gameboy. You put thee lime in thee cononut, you shake a bowl up. You put thee lime in thee coconut, you call thee doctor up. You put thee lime in the coconut.. Got it? - Original Message - From: Paul B. Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] lye not dissolving? - physical mixing vs time What I've read was that it can take anywhere from 12-24 or more hours. A very big time discrepency for what would seem to be a standard chemical reaction that use fixed amounts of chemicals. I work on technical manuals and things all day and can get caught up in semantics and exact wording to much, and this seems to be the case. Turns out the best reply would have been NO, just give it more time... as about 15 hours seemed to dissolve it all fine. Time worked just fine.. as you have noted. I'm still curious though as replies indiciate that the use of time is more of a dissolver than physical mixing. ... Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional bit of agitation. and Once it's all added [ie the lye], replace the stopper and the lid, and swirl the mixture about for a few seconds. Then let it stand. Do that a few more times, every few hours or so (at least 4-6 times in all). It will be thoroughly dissolved in 24 hours, or maybe a bit longer. Fair enough. Time will indeed dissolve it quite well, no questions there. Does anybody know of any test, or personal paractises that have found that continuous shaking or stirring will decrease the time required to dissolve. I'm fine waiting a day after doing a titration for the methoxide to prepare, but if it's dissoved in 3-4 hours, ... that's an option I'd like to know about. Any ph type tests you can do to tell that anybody's heard about? Just looking for data out there. :) - Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Lye and rust
Here's a good way to remove all rust from steel tools. We've used it a lot in restoring old tools deeply pitted with rust. You need an ordinary car battery charger, lye (Red Devil or any caustic soda -- sodium hydroxide) and a plastic bath -- a standard 25-litre plastic container with one side cut off makes a good bath. Work outside -- the process emits some fumes. WARNING: Lye is highly corrosive, even though this is a weak mixture -- wear rubber gloves, keep clean water handy. Washing soda (sodium carbonate) works very well in place of lye using this setup. I've cleaned up a bunch of rusted tools and it's a lot less dangerous than lye. No fumes to worry about nor do you need gloves. Pete Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lye and rust
Here's a good way to remove all rust from steel tools. We've used it a lot in restoring old tools deeply pitted with rust. You need an ordinary car battery charger, lye (Red Devil or any caustic soda -- sodium hydroxide) and a plastic bath -- a standard 25-litre plastic container with one side cut off makes a good bath. Work outside -- the process emits some fumes. WARNING: Lye is highly corrosive, even though this is a weak mixture -- wear rubber gloves, keep clean water handy. Washing soda (sodium carbonate) works very well in place of lye using this setup. I've cleaned up a bunch of rusted tools and it's a lot less dangerous than lye. No fumes to worry about nor do you need gloves. Pete So maybe it's the sodium that counts. Did you try plain salt? With washing soda, do you also get the oily black deposit, and do you know what it is? Anyway, lye we have and use, washing soda we don't have and don't use. Lye is dangerous, yes, and websites must have suitable warnings with such things, but it's a common household product, commonly used, not a problem. Re salt and lye and so on, anyone got any further comments on this? - a previous post, but I'll post it again. http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=17908list=BIOFUEL Date: 2002-11-03 Subject: [biofuel] Salt and NaOH From: Keith Addison Dunno if you remember this, on making NaOH from table salt. http://cator.hsc.edu/~kmd/caveman/projects/chloralkali/slideshow/index.html You end up with hydrogen and chlorine, which I guess you could turn into hydrochloric acid, not sure quite how though (nor how to concentrate it after that). Anyone have any ideas on that? I was thinking you could use HCl instead of phosphoric to neutralize the glycerin layer, as here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs You'd end up with more table salt - sodium chloride instead of sodium phosphate - which you could turn into more NaOH. Does that make any sense? This might help close the loop, and phosphoric is expensive. Traditionally soapstock is acidulated with strong sulphuric acid, but since phosphoric works just as well HCl should be okay, though I'm not sure about safety considerations. I don't know if any of this works - this NaOH from salt would be wet, I don't know if drying it would leave you with a pure enough product (not carbonated?), but it's interesting. There's also this: Thus an equimolar amount of calcium chloride may be directly added to the soapstock and prompt separation of the calcium soap by precipitation from a relatively pure saline (NaCl) solution will ensue. Calcium soaps are useful industrial ingredients, for instance as demoulding agents. More table salt. And Dubbin, quite nice. Seems to work equally well with the glyc layer, glycerine and all. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2CXtTB/ca0FAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lye methanol proportion
many thanks for the info i will keep it for future use unfortunately at present i am not in a position where i am able to make my own, what i need is someone to sell me some if u know of anyone i would be most greetfull to hear from them, cheers yabbs. From: Oscar Pet Foods [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Lye methanol proportion Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:05:19 +0100 125 LITRE WVO 25 LITRE METHANOL 625 GRAMS CAUSTIC SODA (LYRE) SEE 'FROM THE FRYER TO THE FUEL TANK' BY TIKLE _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lye methanol proportion
many thanks for the info i will keep it for future use Biodiesel from WVO in four lines? Well, keep it if you like, at least it won't take up too much space. Here's four lines that might be of more use: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels: Journey to Forever http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Biofuel at WebConX You don't say where you are, but you'll find suppliers here: Biodiesel suppliers http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ unfortunately at present i am not in a position where i am able to make my own, what i need is someone to sell me some if u know of anyone i would be most greetfull to hear from them, cheers yabbs. From: Oscar Pet Foods [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Lye methanol proportion Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:05:19 +0100 125 LITRE WVO 25 LITRE METHANOL 625 GRAMS CAUSTIC SODA (LYRE) SEE 'FROM THE FRYER TO THE FUEL TANK' BY TIKLE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lye methanol proportion
125 LITRE WVO 25 LITRE METHANOL 625 GRAMS CAUSTIC SODA (LYRE) SEE 'FROM THE FRYER TO THE FUEL TANK' BY TIKLE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] lye
Lye - caustic soda - should be around US $40 for a 28 lb sack Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] lye
That's a much better price. Is the Lye dry? I would think it would absorb alot of moisture just being in a bag. And last but not least where can a guy buy something like that? I know lots of questions but I do appreciate your reply to my initial post. At 06:13 PM 6/9/2001 +0100, you wrote: Lye - caustic soda - should be around US $40 for a 28 lb sack Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
